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Ander
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.14 15:30:00 -
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/signed Ander of EVE-Pirate.com
Will repost on eve-pirate.com
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Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.14 15:55:00 -
[362]
The thing that I was referring to was AFK Cloakers.
Please refer to this thread if you want a detailed explanation of my position.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=536610
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AegriSomnia
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.14 16:56:00 -
[363]
/SIGNED
I do not agree with this, as it makes the cloaking system inconsistant. Not only that, it really defeats the purposed of being cloaked in the first place. Flying a cloaked ship is already a very difficult proposition, this nerf will make it impossible. With the speed reduction, and inability to warp while cloaked we already have the "balance" to being cloaked.
Cloaking is not an easy skill to train up to. You should be able to benefit from it after spending all that time training the necessary skills to use a cloak. THIS NERF MAKES CLOAKING ANY SHIP OTHER THAN THE COVERT OPS FRIGATE COMPLETELY USELESS! This is not game balance. This is not fixing a broken mechanic. This is not fixing an exploit. This is making part of your game totally usless! What is the point of that?
This is not like the passive tank nerf or NOS nerf, either. That system needed to be adjusted. This is not an adjustment, it is a total decapitation of cloaking as a viable game mechanic.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CCP do not do this, and PLEASE rethink why you nerf items in EVE in the first place. Exploits, imbalance, fixes are all very acceptable target of nerf.
Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Mari Onette
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Posted - 2007.06.14 18:28:00 -
[364]
Not Signed.
Massive firepower, total stealth. Pick one
You don't get to have both, that screws up game ballance.
Covert ops ships are the only ships in the game that are really designed to be completely invisible, and thats the way it should be.
If you lurk (lets face it, you aren't afk) in someones home system in a cloaked BS, just waiting for miners to come out so you can gank them, and then resume lurking with no possible way of being found, you're bringing nothing to the game but greifing. Now I'm not against greifing, far from it, but there needs to be some measure of RISK involved in your greifing. That means the risk of getting probed out and shot down.
Remember the eve mantra. You are never safe in eve. This adjustment is for the best.
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prathe
Minmatar Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.06.14 19:17:00 -
[365]
signed
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NonstickRon
Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:39:00 -
[366]
Edited by: NonstickRon on 14/06/2007 20:39:08 /signed
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NonstickRon
Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.14 20:40:00 -
[367]
/signed
This one is for all the starving children.
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AegriSomnia
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.14 21:00:00 -
[368]
I just have to say, all of you NOT for this thread, actually have NO CLUE as to how cloaking works. Lemme break it down.
1. Prototype Cloaking Device I: This is affected by the nerf. You cannot warp cloaked with this module. Can fit on any ship. You suffer a 90% reduction in velocity (speed). Tell me how being able to scan probe a ship fitted with this makes you ANY safer? It can BARELY even move around the system, who cares what type of ship it is?
2. Improved Cloaking Device II: This is affected by the nerf. You cannot warp cloaked with this module. Can fit on any ship. You suffer a 75% reduction in velocity (speed). Tell me how being able to scan probe a ship fitted with this makes you ANY safer? It can BARELY even move around the system, who cares what type of ship it is?
3. Covert Ops Cloaking Device II: This is UNAFFECTED by the nerf. Can only be fitted on a Covert Ops Frigate. There is NO velocity penalty, you CAN warp while cloaked, but the ship cant scratch rice paper. So what the heck are you afraid of?
None of the cloaking devices allow you to engage without decloaking, and even then not without a few second penalty. So, again, what are you afraid of? It seems to me the only people who have a legitimate reason to fear are miners who want to AFK their mining operation. Everyone else would have ample time to escape once the ship decloaks.
Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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Alrione
Amarr Vampyre Industial Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.14 21:09:00 -
[369]
Edited by: Alrione on 14/06/2007 21:08:59 /signed
Threat of AFK cloaked ship... I failed to realise, what is so dangerous about ship, which is pretty much useless while cloaked and pilot is not even near keyboard...
Oh yeah: OH NOES, TEH EBIL AFK PILOT GONNA READ LOCAL CHAT LOGS!!11 --------------------------------
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AegriSomnia
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:58:00 -
[370]
*Bump* Because Im not givin up on this yet.
Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
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mr kion
Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.14 23:13:00 -
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disagree.
Affected Cloaks: Prototype Cloak I Improved Cloaking Device II
Unaffected Cloaks: Covert Ops II Cloaking Device
Thats fine for me :s
But why not creating a new "cloaked stuff detection probe"
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Microsoft Sam
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.06.14 23:19:00 -
[372]
Im guessing this is CCP's way of finding out which players use Macroing cloakers.
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El Muerte
The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.06.14 23:50:00 -
[373]
/signed /signed /signed
Can't believe I am actually seeing people afraid of ghosts.
afk guy.. please pod me.. please
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TashEve
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Posted - 2007.06.15 02:15:00 -
[374]
I'll Back this petition and sign.
Cloaking skills takes time to learn. If it is detectable = useless.
There will be 0 demands for the low level cloaks.
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TDRC Holding
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Posted - 2007.06.15 02:18:00 -
[375]
If this change doesnt happen I petition CCP to rename the cloak to 'Invinci-hide 5000'
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incorr
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Posted - 2007.06.15 09:24:00 -
[376]
Signed!! Dudes, It's a cloak, it is supposed to hide you. If CCP have to have something that can find you cloaked it needs to be a new,highly specialised piece of kit. doesn't this make stealth bomber a pile now? 'CareBears love cloaks too!' how else am I supposed to watch Nexa at work?
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Tasuric Orka
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tasuric Orka on 15/06/2007 10:48:05 Not signed, cloaks as they are , are unvulnerability drives. I'm heavily invested in the recon department skill wise, but i don't think that having to remain on the move is a big deal.
I'm okay with it, because i've experienced first hand how afk cloakers can disrupt ops in several systems by simply sitting there, momentarily going out of hibernation to gank a few people who attempt to live there. While there are ways to lure some of them out to kill, some are simply too smart, or cautious. Even if this was not the case, there is still the issue of these people being able to keep several busy in trying to bait and the like, while they are actually off at the movies. It's an unbalanced game mechanic, and i'm glad it's being changed.
You will have to be AT THE FRIGGEN KEYBOARD to play the game, oh my god its an outrage!
It's not like people will be able to find you very quickly, or accurately, you are still cloaked.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:51:00 -
[378]
Holy crap! I guess I should start counting votes again! o.O *gets to work*
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: Cadela Fria on 15/06/2007 10:58:38
Originally by: ghosttr Edited by: ghosttr on 15/06/2007 10:55:17
Originally by: Cadela Fria Holy crap! I guess I should start counting votes again! o.O *gets to work*
Heres the post for all of the non-nubs (the ones who thicnk CCP is right).
And remember pvp guys, remember to set personal standings to all nubs who 'sign' this to -10. And pod them on site (that is if they don use thier 'invinci-hide 5000's')
Thats cute.
This is not a post for your little hate-mongering propaganda, if you want to go against the petition, make a thread about it.
By the way: 144 signatures! HURRAY! Also for the record: Regular cloaks are affected by this nerf, COVERT OPS CLOAKS ARENT. Just making sure you all keep up to date on what you're signing.
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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ghosttr
Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:02:00 -
[380]
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: ghosttr Edited by: ghosttr on 15/06/2007 10:55:17
Originally by: Cadela Fria Holy crap! I guess I should start counting votes again! o.O *gets to work*
Heres the post for all of the non-nubs (the ones who thicnk CCP is right).
And remember pvp guys, remember to set personal standings to all nubs who 'sign' this to -10. And pod them on site (that is if they don use thier 'invinci-hide 5000's')
Thats cute.
This is not a post for your little hate-mongering propaganda, if you want to go against the petition, make a thread about it.
OFC, dont we all hate broken game mechanics Well at least most of us, but it seems that there is a population which like to use broken, near-exploit tactics. And will actually defend thier use. I have made sure to set my personal standings to your supporters to -10, and will enjoy podding them
Also I do have a thread here Here
Make Mining Better |
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:13:00 -
[381]
Edited by: Cadela Fria on 15/06/2007 11:14:16
Originally by: ghosttr
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: ghosttr Edited by: ghosttr on 15/06/2007 10:55:17
Originally by: Cadela Fria Holy crap! I guess I should start counting votes again! o.O *gets to work*
Heres the post for all of the non-nubs (the ones who thicnk CCP is right).
And remember pvp guys, remember to set personal standings to all nubs who 'sign' this to -10. And pod them on site (that is if they don use thier 'invinci-hide 5000's')
Thats cute.
This is not a post for your little hate-mongering propaganda, if you want to go against the petition, make a thread about it.
OFC, dont we all hate broken game mechanics Well at least most of us, but it seems that there is a population which like to use broken, near-exploit tactics. And will actually defend thier use. I have made sure to set my personal standings to your supporters to -10, and will enjoy podding them
Also I do have a thread here Here
Why haven't you set me to -10 then? Come get me.
I, and those who signed the petition, simply think the cloak is fine the way it is. That you don't agree is fine, but I ask that you keep the smacktalk down aswell as your attempts at reasoning your way to making threats.
We simply don't see the cloaks as being broken, nor that using them is an exploit, as you apparently do. I can respect that you disagree, but not that you try to start a flamewar about it, just because someone doesn't see it your way.
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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ghosttr
Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria Edited by: Cadela Fria on 15/06/2007 11:14:16
Originally by: ghosttr
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: ghosttr Edited by: ghosttr on 15/06/2007 10:55:17
Originally by: Cadela Fria Holy crap! I guess I should start counting votes again! o.O *gets to work*
Heres the post for all of the non-nubs (the ones who thicnk CCP is right).
And remember pvp guys, remember to set personal standings to all nubs who 'sign' this to -10. And pod them on site (that is if they don use thier 'invinci-hide 5000's')
Thats cute.
This is not a post for your little hate-mongering propaganda, if you want to go against the petition, make a thread about it.
OFC, dont we all hate broken game mechanics Well at least most of us, but it seems that there is a population which like to use broken, near-exploit tactics. And will actually defend thier use. I have made sure to set my personal standings to your supporters to -10, and will enjoy podding them
Also I do have a thread here Here
Why haven't you set me to -10 then? Come get me.
I, and those who signed the petition, simply think the cloak is fine the way it is. That you don't agree is fine, but I ask that you keep the smacktalk down aswell as your attempts at reasoning your way to making threats.
We simply don't see the cloaks as being broken, nor that using them is an exploit, as you apparently do. I can respect that you disagree, but not that you try to start a flamewar about it, just because someone doesn't see it your way.
CCP should stick to it own game design goals, rather than listening to carebear whine campaigns. It seems everytime CCP does anything you damn bears will whine like hell.
And you brought the flame on yourself by defending broken game mechanics. Its almost as if your defending an exploit.
Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking |
Gabriel Lornadonis
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:30:00 -
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heres me believing for ages that the cloak wasnt powerful enough and now i here that thier gonna nerf most of them,how much more foolish can the creators get they might as well remove the all claoks from the game 7 times out of ten cloaks are used as a powerful and viable defencive technology granted being able to use scan probes with any ablity at all require the smart player to use them on recon ships of coveops and stealth bombers. heck whats the point of having stealth bombers in the game at all, it kinda removes the need for the word "stealth" from bombers well thats my little bit said
DOWN WITH THE CLOAK NERF, AND WHILE IM AT IT DOWN WITH THE DUPES THAT CANNOT FIGURE HOW TO STOP A CLOAKED PILOT FROM SNEAKING AROUND THE SPACE!!!!
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:41:00 -
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Edited by: Cadela Fria on 15/06/2007 11:41:21
Originally by: ghosttr
CCP should stick to it own game design goals, rather than listening to carebear whine campaigns. It seems everytime CCP does anything you damn bears will whine like hell.
And you brought the flame on yourself by defending broken game mechanics. Its almost as if your defending an exploit.
CCP's game design goals aren't in question. That terminology hasn't even been used until you said it, so kindly leave it. This is not a "carebear whine campaign", quite the opposite. This is a petition stating a point about that we who use cloaks don't want them nerfed. In fact it is widely speculated by many, that the REASON cloaks are getting nerfed, are from people flaming and crying about cloaks.
I don't see the way cloaks work, as an exploit, and CCP hasn't classified them as an exploit, and you are the first one to classify them as an exploit - Therefor, they aren't an exploit, so therefor your argument holds no value - QED.
So in that regard, please leave that speech at the door, because you're obviously no better - Atleast not in my eyes. I have expressed no desire to be flamed and such I ask you stop and instead express as much hate towards me as you wish in your own thread.
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:42:00 -
[385]
Originally by: Gabriel Lornadonis heres me believing for ages that the cloak wasnt powerful enough and now i here that thier gonna nerf most of them,how much more foolish can the creators get they might as well remove the all claoks from the game 7 times out of ten cloaks are used as a powerful and viable defencive technology granted being able to use scan probes with any ablity at all require the smart player to use them on recon ships of coveops and stealth bombers. heck whats the point of having stealth bombers in the game at all, it kinda removes the need for the word "stealth" from bombers well thats my little bit said
DOWN WITH THE CLOAK NERF, AND WHILE IM AT IT DOWN WITH THE DUPES THAT CANNOT FIGURE HOW TO STOP A CLOAKED PILOT FROM SNEAKING AROUND THE SPACE!!!!
Then please enlighten me how I should protect airspace against cloakers, because the ones that want to sneak around my space manage to work around every trick in the book.
And the problem isn't having them move around, the problem is having them keeping an eye on a gate 23/7, mostly being AFK, with nothing I can do about it.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:43:00 -
[386]
Originally by: Sqalevon
Originally by: Gabriel Lornadonis heres me believing for ages that the cloak wasnt powerful enough and now i here that thier gonna nerf most of them,how much more foolish can the creators get they might as well remove the all claoks from the game 7 times out of ten cloaks are used as a powerful and viable defencive technology granted being able to use scan probes with any ablity at all require the smart player to use them on recon ships of coveops and stealth bombers. heck whats the point of having stealth bombers in the game at all, it kinda removes the need for the word "stealth" from bombers well thats my little bit said
DOWN WITH THE CLOAK NERF, AND WHILE IM AT IT DOWN WITH THE DUPES THAT CANNOT FIGURE HOW TO STOP A CLOAKED PILOT FROM SNEAKING AROUND THE SPACE!!!!
Then please enlighten me how I should protect airspace against cloakers, because the ones that want to sneak around my space manage to work around every trick in the book.
And the problem isn't having them move around, the problem is having them keeping an eye on a gate 23/7, mostly being AFK, with nothing I can do about it.
If thats the case, I suggest you read OP, carefully.
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:51:00 -
[387]
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: Sqalevon
Originally by: Gabriel Lornadonis heres me believing for ages that the cloak wasnt powerful enough and now i here that thier gonna nerf most of them,how much more foolish can the creators get they might as well remove the all claoks from the game 7 times out of ten cloaks are used as a powerful and viable defencive technology granted being able to use scan probes with any ablity at all require the smart player to use them on recon ships of coveops and stealth bombers. heck whats the point of having stealth bombers in the game at all, it kinda removes the need for the word "stealth" from bombers well thats my little bit said
DOWN WITH THE CLOAK NERF, AND WHILE IM AT IT DOWN WITH THE DUPES THAT CANNOT FIGURE HOW TO STOP A CLOAKED PILOT FROM SNEAKING AROUND THE SPACE!!!!
Then please enlighten me how I should protect airspace against cloakers, because the ones that want to sneak around my space manage to work around every trick in the book.
And the problem isn't having them move around, the problem is having them keeping an eye on a gate 23/7, mostly being AFK, with nothing I can do about it.
If thats the case, I suggest you read OP, carefully.
I have, and I stick to my point.
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Alice Cholmondeley
Christine.
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:10:00 -
[388]
Originally by: AegriSomnia
3. Covert Ops Cloaking Device II: This is UNAFFECTED by the nerf. Can only be fitted on a Covert Ops Frigate. There is NO velocity penalty, you CAN warp while cloaked, but the ship cant scratch rice paper. So what the heck are you afraid of?
Reconships fit covops cloaks just fine. Anyway, coming from goonswarm which ratters safespot and cloak the moment someone comes into local.. Hope the nerf comes in soon. |
Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:29:00 -
[389]
Cloaking vessels 23/7 afk in a system take out half the chance of a good engagementin 0.0 Enemy knows exaclty when you have a gang ALWAYS.
They MUST GO AWAY.. INCLUDING COV OPS!!!
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Horus Isis
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:14:00 -
[390]
this would seriously hinder any activities i preform while in a stealth bomber, mainly because now when i hide in system and wait for the go ahead from a FC, they can probe me... i find that a big drawback to the already paper thin stealth bomber
/Signed -Horus Isis (stealth bomber pilot)
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