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Cadela Fria Amarr The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.05.29 03:11:00 - [181] HURRAY! 62 so far! 29938 to go! Keep signing folks! I'll do another count after I had some sleep...THUNK - SnoooooorezZZzzzz Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Zhao Li Digital Foundry Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.05.29 03:46:00 - [182] /signed I trained long and hard to be able to use Recon and Covert ops ships with the belief this made me undetectable, so i could do the jobs i wished to do. This ruins the time invested in training these characters, and ruins the fun of the role they played.
Hark0n Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.29 03:51:00 - [183] /signed If you have kids you know that if you reward WHINING you get more WHINING...
Erichk Knaar Caldari Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.05.29 03:53:00 - [184] /signed Whats the point of a module that makes you invisible, if it doesn't in fact, make you invisible.
Pharuan Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.29 03:54:00 - [185] If this is put in, at least we will be able to scan for Jovian Spies. All in all, I don't agree with it. Even from both sides of the conflict. Signed.
Gun Hog Caldari Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.29 04:00:00 - [186] As a Covert Ops scout, I support this petition!! /signed ------------------------------------------ The original ultra noob 0.0 carebear
Spriggen Ma'for Syndicate of Destruction Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.29 04:45:00 - [187] /signed I love my recon ship, and I love the fact that I can stalk my prey I hope the dev's see to this petition and not go along with this nerf other wise its gonna ruin me!!
Blue Pixie	Posted - 2007.05.29 05:25:00 - [188] Originally by: Bentula You want guerillia warfare or are scouting for your fleet? This doesnt affect you, nobody will bother trying to scan someone down who is actually at his keyboard and paying attention. They will only try to scan you down if they assume your sitting in a safespot and dont move. Lemme get this straight. If I fly into your system in my Force Recon, you won't try to probe me out if you think I'm at the keyboard... AND you'll provide me with soft targets to blow up so I can get my guerillia warfare on? Why am I finding this hard to believe? Originally by: Bentula What i object too is not that you have to be alert living in 0.0, i object to having to be battle ready for hours and be in a pvp setup while trying to earn some bucks This is what you object to? The fear of uncertainty? Having to be battle ready and/or fitted for PvP? While trying to earn iskies? In null-sec? The lowest security-rated, highest rewarding space in all of EVE? And you call someone running missions in Empire a carebear?
SumDum AirHawk Alliance Insomnia.	Posted - 2007.05.29 05:52:00 - [189] /signed I'm a dedicated covert ops pilot, well one of my characters is. It is what I love doing, and I was about to start moving towards force recon. There is no reason to take covert ops cloaking and beat it with a nerf bat. Look at the people who are abusing their cloaks, it is people fitting cloaks to BS, Hulks, capital ships, and everything else in between. All you have to do is remove covert ops, stealth bombers and force recons from this targeted nerf and I will be just fine with this change. People say, just keep moving, all cov ops ships have a high enough speed to be out of the way before they warp in on you. Once they are on your grid, they drop another probe and you are toast. MWD to you with drones out and your dead. People say, you shouldn't be able to go afk for days. Ooh noes, there is someone in local watching me, who knows what they might do the second I undock. Man up and set up a trap for pete's sake. Anyway, I have voiced my opinions here and in the game development forum, I will be actively participating in the testing of this until it is deployed. I'll be watching you, watching me, watching me um... watch something. AHE wants YOU!
Mortania Minmatar Carbide Industries Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.05.29 05:53:00 - [190] I'm just thankful that the developers are continuing to play the game so that they can really grab the pulse of the player base with high quality decisions like this. /signed --- CCP: Please disallow your employees from playing normal player accounts.
Usul78 Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.05.29 06:17:00 - [191] /signed Whats happening to EVE? I'm wondering how easy it is to manipulate the game to the benefits of the majority at the expense of the minority. He who should loudest gets all. The covert ships (covert-ops, bombers and recons) all fulfill certain niche roles and are heavily handicaped because of it. Even the recon ships have limited damage and are only really useful as fleet support, so please dont make dedicated people suffer because some dont like it. I agree that afk cloaking for miners/ratters etc is just lame, as i've known people in the past that just sit afk 23/7 on an alt. Please find a solution that will reflect the situation, and dont repeat the obsurd nerf such as the jamming nerf, a common occurance. Some better solutions would be to increase the CPU requirements so only covert ships can use them. Problem solved. I cant fit an interdiction sphere launcher to my Battleship so why should i be able to fit a cloak. I'm tired of being nerfed because of peoples own failings. e.g. "I can't insta pop the drake please nerf it", "Jamming works, please fix it." and now "I cant find this cloaker, its not fair!" I hope CCP addresses the valid issues and ignore the "I want, I want" brigade. This game is all about balance.
DiuxDium Free Mercenaries Union FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.29 06:36:00 - [192] This is long overdue. /anti-sign ------------- The above user should never be taken seriously.
H3ndrix Middle Finger Technology Ghosts Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.29 06:37:00 - [193] Edited by: H3ndrix on 29/05/2007 06:36:52 Originally by: ReePeR McAllem Yeah I think they should be nerfed, but the ships that use them for a reason i.e covert-ops and recons that use t2 covert cloak should definately NOT get nerfed This is BS, Ships that utilise Cov-ops cloaking device ie cov-ops frigs and recons, should absoultly NOT be detectable, or how else can they perform there role, I do agree with bs's etc that fit prototypes or improved cloak II's and ss should be "nerfed", but deffinatly NOT cov-ops or recon cruisers. /Signed I used to have a Sig but CCP Nerfed it !!!! It wasn't Nerfed, it was moderationally enhanced. -Darth Patches
Darkstar22	Posted - 2007.05.29 06:43:00 - [194] /Signed I Have been training long and hard for the Covert ops/recon ship skills i have now and this nerf is in my eyes dum and unneeded. and to all you who are scared when you have a cloaked person in system suck it up. you die you die it's just a game don't cry when a guy sits cloaked watching you ooo scary cloaked covert ops pilots
Overwhelming Middle Finger Technology Ghosts Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.29 06:45:00 - [195] IMHO this is the dumbest thing ever ... Recons are some of the few ships that are fairly balanced as is. Outside of the Pilgrim which is the PWN because of NOS/Drones combo (another time and place to argue) None of the Recons can function alone. This smells of Tomb..who let him out of his nerf cave...can we trade him to Blizzard for beer? /signed and agreed that I will ditch the subscribtions..and go play that stupid pirate game... TBH lets avoid the whine on these forums...and remove all ship types except Rookieships...no tech II just civvy gear...and become some blob fest with no tactics...
Zeonos Amarr Fairtrade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.29 06:58:00 - [196] this is like taking stealth from the rogue in wow.. find an other way, maybe give the cloak high amount of cpu needs. and give the sb/recon and other cloaking ship a reduction to cloaking cpu need's.. then you dont have ravens and that like cloak... but what ever you do. DONT NERF CLOAKING DEVICE IT SELF.. Sound on url you come to if you click. sorry for lacking eve content.
Steel Tigeress	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:05:00 - [197] How is this a nerf exactly? It was stated when cloking was FIRST implemented that cloakers would be probable. It was a broken mechanic that let us have it so easy for so long. /not-signed hurray for more tactics Also point me to the definition that says Covert=undetectable. Covert=Hidden....hidden things can be found.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:12:00 - [198] /Signed...but only for covops/recons using covops cloak T2. I will accept an AFK timer (I don't use AFK tactics) and fully believe non-covert class combat ships should be detectable when using junk cloaks with the right skills and probes. "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Sekket Caldari White-Noise	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:13:00 - [199] The whining in this thread, hilarious! My absolute favorite? The comment about how you only have to warp within zero of the cloaker and move forward! That is a gut ripper. The only people who are going to get caught by this are the ones who forget to set a course after warping to their safe spot. I mean really, this is such a do-nothing nerf that this issue is going to continue to blaze through the forums for months to come. The real solution, in my opinion? Make the cloaks generate a good deal of heat. That will keep people for cloaking 24/7. If they try it, the cloak will eventually deactivate, and then they can get scanned out.
Naniki	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:15:00 - [200] Originally by: Steel Tigeress How is this a nerf exactly? It was stated when cloking was FIRST implemented that cloakers would be probable. It was a broken mechanic that let us have it so easy for so long. /not-signed hurray for more tactics Also point me to the definition that says Covert=undetectable. Covert=Hidden....hidden things can be found. Stated? were do you see a statement like that ? hmm and go read the definition for cloaking and cloaking devices and covert all say undetectable in any way shape or form. don't respond if you don't know anything about this issue. Odviously don't know what a dictionary is
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:16:00 - [201] I kinda think it is stupid that this stuff just comes out like this. I mean is not this game player driven? Why don't they (the DEVS) ask about potential changes like this rather than just doing it? I quit playing other MMORPG'S because the content was nerfed to hell and was no longer fun. I am not saying that cloaking does not need looked at , but IMO just making cloaks avail for certain ship classes would be better than being able to scan the ship down. The whole idea bhind a cloak is to HIDE the ship from scanners. Not to meta game but in Star Trek they never knew the Klingons(sp) were there until they decloaked!!! Maybe aside from limiting ships that can fit it they could make it so that you can see a "spatial distortion" when you use probes which would make one assume that a ship is there , but still not be able to warp to it do to scanners showing "nothin there" .. also they would have to use the same probe as finding mission deadspace ( exploration I believe )....that is all ps. I already posted this exact in another forum but meh, it is my reason. SIGNED proud member of [BEES] my thoughts and ideas represent your corp
Mikal Drey Purgatorial Janitors Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:24:00 - [202] hey hey /abso*****lutly signed. i would also like to add. COVERTS and their varients should NEVER EVER be scanned/probed out. Prototype Cloak : This prototype of an advanced cloaking mechanism was one of the last major technological breakthroughs to come out of Crielere Labs. Although it does work it is not really a finished product and has some serious drawbacks, most notably the fact that the module creates high sensor disruption while fitted** and can not operate unless at minimum velocity. drawback : can get found using a probe. its generally THIS module that gets abused by the afk'ers.
Sam Browne Caldari Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:31:00 - [203] /Signed May you live slightly longer than those you fight.
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:35:00 - [204] Originally by: Mikal Drey its generally THIS module that gets abused by the afk'ers. Incorrect. AFK cloakers are in recons using cov ops cloaks generally. Proto cloaks are found solely on ratters or travel setups.
Steel Tigeress	Posted - 2007.05.29 08:51:00 - [205] Originally by: Naniki Originally by: Steel Tigeress How is this a nerf exactly? It was stated when cloking was FIRST implemented that cloakers would be probable. It was a broken mechanic that let us have it so easy for so long. /not-signed hurray for more tactics Also point me to the definition that says Covert=undetectable. Covert=Hidden....hidden things can be found. Stated? were do you see a statement like that ? hmm and go read the definition for cloaking and cloaking devices and covert all say undetectable in any way shape or form. don't respond if you don't know anything about this issue. Odviously don't know what a dictionary is ûadjective 1. concealed; secret; disguised. 2. covered; sheltered. 3. Law. (of a wife) under the protection of one's husband. ûnoun 4. a covering; cover. 5. a shelter or hiding place. 6. concealment or disguise. 7. Hunting. a thicket giving shelter to wild animals or game. 8. Also called tectrix. Ornithology. one of the small feathers that cover the bases of the large feathers of the wings and tail. Where does it say undetectable? Who doesnt know what a dictionary is? thats right its you. n. A loose outer garment, such as a cape. Something that covers or conceals: a cloak of secrecy. tr.v. cloaked, cloak+ing, cloaks To cover or conceal with or as if with a cloak. See Synonyms at clothe, disguise, hide1. [Middle English cloke, from Old North French cloque, cloak, bell (from its shape), from Medieval Latin clocca; see clock1.] ANd there's the definition of Cloaked... I.E. Concealed...not invisible. You lose on both accounts.
Skeenee Al'Ramed Amarr kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.05.29 09:10:00 - [206] /SIGNED /signed and /SIGNED!
Bentula	Posted - 2007.05.29 09:13:00 - [207] Originally by: Blue Pixie Lemme get this straight. If I fly into your system in my Force Recon, you won't try to probe me out if you think I'm at the keyboard... AND you'll provide me with soft targets to blow up so I can get my guerillia warfare on? Why am I finding this hard to believe? Look, 0.0 is not lowsec ok? You dont have to be on your toes the whole time because your buddys massacre everyone they dont know who is entering it. Its alot safer than even highsec unless you directly live in a warzone, and that got nothing to do with cloakers. You think thats not fair? Again bring your buddies in BS to change it or claim your own piece. What you dont have enough buddies for that? Tough call. And there are always some soft targets around, be it people coming back from a op far out that logged during it or other stuff, you dont need a cloaker to kill them, just good old roamings will do. Im just sick of being unable to do anything against cloakers who hang around our systems. Any mechanic needs a counter, even loggers have the aggression timer, but no some people want to be utterly invulnerable with the click of a module. Originally by: Blue Pixie This is what you object to? The fear of uncertainty? Having to be battle ready and/or fitted for PvP? While trying to earn iskies? In null-sec? The lowest security-rated, highest rewarding space in all of EVE? And you call someone running missions in Empire a carebear? Ok let me explain it to you real careful, im a pvper, im constantly broke cause i fly expensive ships and alot of them. If i go and try to make money than im carebearing. I deserve some time where i can suck some roids or shoot in the belts in peace, if that means i first have to get some buddys and kill those guys hanging around in the system i want to use thats fine too. If we wanted to put up with invulnurable people we would live in space with npc stations like syndicate and have a hell of an easier time not having to run a outpost and a posnetwork. You want to be safe from those guys wanting to drink you blood? Atleast move that ass of yours once in a while. Btw this whining about this pre announced nerf is really pathetic, especially considering you people call those whiners who bring forth arguments why this is a good change and wont affect legitimate players. You dont know anything, maybe you cant even probe covops or scanning for claokers will require special clokes and take 10 min, but lets just whine whine whine. There has never been much whining about cloaks, even though it was obviously broken, and now people once again proclaim the sky is falling. Just like the nanonerf, the introduction of warp to 0, when torps stopped doing full damage to frigs, the hp buff, when stacking penalty of damagemods was introduced, or when cruisemissiles couldnt be fitted on kestrels anymore. Each of that got alot more whines than this, and still ccp was right every time. You know what? They are right again. Im a recon and covert pilot myself, this change wont affect me, if you think it will affect you i question a) your reading comprehension and knowledge about how probes work b) the way you fly your recon/covops.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.05.29 09:16:00 - [208] IT'S NOT A NERF! has an aneurism
sorilin Amarr Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.29 09:16:00 - [209] /signed rather be found by aplayer than a cheeting dev! I am the borg!
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.29 09:24:00 - [210] Gotta say that I am not worried as a Covert Ops pilot. But, wohoo! Finally the wannabe nubtards in cloaked motherships get their fair share. breaks out the probes Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.

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