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bigfatbird
Seven.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 00:39:00 -
[451]
 Originally by: Meihdron
Edited by: Meihdron on 26/08/2007 22:22:29
in response to the original topic :
why do you have to be untouchable the second u fit a cloak ? That cloak nerf, and yes, it is quite a nerf, would prohibit gankers cloaking an alt in a populated system, go afk, and checking for easy targets every few hours, which i think is a good thing, and it would seriously help to get rid of those makro ratters too.
The ships designed to be cloakers, cov ops and recon, wouldnt be affected, so thats fine. and as u dont get instant resaults on a recon probe, and still have to warp to the sig, you will still have a very good chance to change your save when u detect someone droppin probes. If u dont pay attention, well, **** happens, and the ganker got ganked.
In my opinion this nerf is a good thing, and i hope none of what i said can be interpreted as "flame"
fly save
Well same can be said about the situation you complain about.
If you and your friends want to hang out in 0.0 and make the big money but cant be bothered to pay attention to each other and be in a gang for defense well, **** happens. 
I mean for the love of god we speak about a single cruiser class ship at the worst. If you cant handle the risk that comes from such a thing then 0.0 is just the wrong place for you and your corp in its current condition.
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DeMundus
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2007.08.27 00:42:00 -
[452]
/SIGN
It would not be a cloaking modul if you could get scanned - make something similar to deep water bombs. A ping bomb or something or a ship that can do so. But dont make it so probes can find a ship...
Abandon all hope But take care of teh cake!11 - Immy |
SirMoric
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Posted - 2007.08.27 00:42:00 -
[453]
I agree with the poster.
Why shouldn't 0.0 be dangerous to corps who are declaring sovereignty? It is to the rest of us.
rgds
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.27 00:48:00 -
[454]
Originally by: Meihdron
Edited by: Meihdron on 26/08/2007 22:22:29
in response to the original topic :
why do you have to be untouchable the second u fit a cloak ? That cloak nerf, and yes, it is quite a nerf, would prohibit gankers cloaking an alt in a populated system, go afk, and checking for easy targets every few hours, which i think is a good thing, and it would seriously help to get rid of those makro ratters too.
The ships designed to be cloakers, cov ops and recon, wouldnt be affected, so thats fine. and as u dont get instant resaults on a recon probe, and still have to warp to the sig, you will still have a very good chance to change your save when u detect someone droppin probes. If u dont pay attention, well, **** happens, and the ganker got ganked.
In my opinion this nerf is a good thing, and i hope none of what i said can be interpreted as "flame"
fly save
Wow talk about necro'ing..geez. Well even though I forgot all about this thread, ill entertain you! :)
Simple answer...A cloak, is meant to cloak you. If your ship show up on scanner or any such thing, it isn't much of a cloak is it?
There are so many disadvantages with fitting a cloak as it is, so I see no reason to deviate from my original post.
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Broken Star
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.27 01:24:00 -
[455]
/signed
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Nobuo213
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Posted - 2007.08.27 01:52:00 -
[456]
Doesn't affect Cov Ops cloaks so I don't care. 
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Kahleena
W.L.A.M.O.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 02:27:00 -
[457]
/signed
Whats the point of a cloak if people can still probe you out? Only way I'd like this is if there was a special "cloak-detecting probe" that maybe worked like a multispectral probe and showed that there were cloaked people in the system, but not a cloak-finding probe.
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Price Watcher
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Posted - 2007.08.27 02:54:00 -
[458]
Signed.
Also, if they put this in anyway then they should let stealth bombers use covert ops cloaks and warp while cloaked.
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VinnyTheBull
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Posted - 2007.08.27 03:05:00 -
[459]
Cloak needs to be nerfed. Like others have said, you should not be invincible the instant you put on a cloak.
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L33t Sphere
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Posted - 2007.08.27 03:54:00 -
[460]
Signed. No using directional scanner and no using probes on cloakies.
I've never flown a cloaking ship and haven't bothered putting in cloaking skills yet, but I can see how rediculously worthless cloaks are made if you can do either.
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Machanara
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.27 04:06:00 -
[461]
Hmm, I am going to pretty much quote all the PVP'ers and the NUMBER ONE excuse as to WHY this nerf should be made......
SURVEY SAYS.......Regular cloaks should be nerfed because there is no ABSOLUTLY SAFE PLACE IN EVE!. With cloaks as they are now, you are 100% SAFE from everything in game. So guess what. Now you wont be safe unles you are in a CO II cloaked ship. And that pretty much falls into line with the most numerous response when people ***** about being killed, even in 1.0 space.
Time to suck it up. No reason why anything with a cloak should be 100% safe in 0.o if you cant be 100% safe in 1.0 space   So suck it in and act like men.
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2007.08.27 04:47:00 -
[462]
/signed
Honestly you might as well remove all the cloaks that get nerfed as they will be useless. Im for nerfing it but not like this. Theres a better way, this just isnt it. Maybe decloaking mods that work somewhat like a smart bomb or anti cloak bubbles with a wide range. Something to use against it but this nerf with make them totally useless.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.08.27 05:36:00 -
[463]
Edited by: Death Kill on 27/08/2007 05:37:12
Originally by: Cadela Fria
I mean the argument itself is flawed - "We can't mine cause theres an AFK cloaker in our system, spying on us" - and all kinds of other arguments, which frankly I for one don't at all agree with for many many reasons.
It tells me you haven't been creative enough about what you're doing, no offence intended, but lure the cloaker! Bait him into doing something rash that'll get him killed, trick him, ANYTHING..and if he's really AFK, then whats the problem???
I'm against cloak nerf, but your argument here is a bitrubbish. Someone thats cloaked spying isnt going to be tricked unless his/her iq is below 50.
Perhaps you yourself have extensive experience of 'tricking' cloakers into uncloaking....oh I dont know by doing something super clever like ejecting a can with lots of treasure in it?
edit : nerf the non covops cloaking devices into hell for all I care.
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Sir Scorpion
Black Banners
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Posted - 2007.08.27 07:02:00 -
[464]
Unsigned,
and its quite simple ôöno one should be safe in eveöö! and shame on you being in MC, and to top that in SWFLB!!!
Its not only hostile AFK cloakerÆs its now well known alliances that are too lazy to come and defend people who rate in their 0.0 sapce and tell them to clock, too lazy to put up a POS to sa***uard their borders with a simple solution as F1 yourrrrrrr SAFE. I find your whole argument lacking and un thought of and u should add the Unsigned to their as well to be fair.
At the moment your blind, and cloaks should be nerfed, I didnÆt know MC recruited care bares 
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J'Mkarr Soban
Amarr
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.27 08:29:00 -
[465]
Hee, I just realised.
Deep penetration snipers sit in enemy territory all the time without being detected. Spies do. This is just the same form, except you know they are there in the first place, because of local. That's the weakest link.
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.27 08:33:00 -
[466]
NOT SIGNED. Burn the frakking chickens out of the little holes they hide in.
Being probed is not the same as being decloaked. Its not hard to avoid being landed on by a prober, you just keep moving. You'd just have to pay attention and keep moving so that if someone warped near you you would get away. ZOMG! How unfair right? Cov ops would still be perfectly useful, they just wouldn't be completely safe and you'd actually have to pay attention. And if you wanted to go take a dump you'd actually have to log off. WOW!
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Blueshell
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Posted - 2007.08.27 09:28:00 -
[467]
/signed
Recon, covops and such should remain undetected, but also
I If you want to relieve yourself during the game there would not be an option to go afk for a sec because logging off is also not an option.
II The cloacking trick to get rid of fighter drones where your buddies kill of the fighters hovering around the cloaked ship still works
III The lack of places to hide in 0.0 would mean its impossible to travel there without being tied to the computer at all times
If you want to nerf cloaking then put a timer on it so that the client logs off after 10 min of cloak so as to force the afk pilot to log back in
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RisenPhoenix
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.27 09:40:00 -
[468]
Originally by: Farrellus Cameron
NOT SIGNED. Burn the frakking chickens out of the little holes they hide in.
Being probed is not the same as being decloaked. Its not hard to avoid being landed on by a prober, you just keep moving. You'd just have to pay attention and keep moving so that if someone warped near you you would get away. ZOMG! How unfair right? Cov ops would still be perfectly useful, they just wouldn't be completely safe and you'd actually have to pay attention. And if you wanted to go take a dump you'd actually have to log off. WOW!
Not Signed too letting cov ops have an invincible button has never made sense to me, at least add a probe thats only good for detecting cloaked ships if giving the power to a normal scan probe is to much for you wussie cloakers.
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annoing
Amarr
MisFunk Inc.
Frontline.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 10:09:00 -
[469]
/signed.
It doesnt need nerfing, it never did. Those muppets who hide in their station because someone is cloaked in the system really need to understand this:
The nerf with NOT affect covert ops, therefore it makes no difference. People dont cloak in system in their badger etc to scare you to hide, they do it in their covert ops.
The whiners over this are complete muppets and they should be given a free subscription to Runescape where they can play with children of their own age. 
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Darvin Felth
Memento.Mori
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Posted - 2007.08.27 10:28:00 -
[470]
/Signed
Smoking Whippets since 1967 ....
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BenYGW
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.08.27 10:32:00 -
[471]
/Signed
if an afk cloaker is causing you problems its a problem with your alliance not the game
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Lishan Kamatar
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Posted - 2007.08.27 10:33:00 -
[472]
/SIGNED!!!!
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Ethaet
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.27 10:58:00 -
[473]
/signed.
If someone is AFK and cloaked, they aren't a problem!
Cloaking is exactly the same as sitting in station, but we dont see threads saying 'WTF nerf docking lol1!111'
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Tanria
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Posted - 2007.08.27 11:04:00 -
[474]
/signed.
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.08.27 11:23:00 -
[475]
/signed
I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually. |
Nasuno
Phoenix Star-Tech.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 11:23:00 -
[476]
/signed
Use one when I rat. Now I can't.
Back to warping between safespots.
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jungleburger
Minmatar
Asshats and Alcoholics
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Posted - 2007.08.27 13:47:00 -
[477]
signed in agreement
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Vasili Z
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.08.27 14:04:00 -
[478]
not signed
nerf these ratting sissies, go back to logging off when someone comes in please. The less of you in-game, the better.
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Mindlles
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.08.27 14:12:00 -
[479]
Another awsome nerf since the warp core stab nerf!!. I like this nerf alot..
Easyer to kill the farmers \o/ yay.
No more so called uber pvpers that can just cloak and hide as soon u get close to them with even numbers. \o/.
No more hiding, isnt that what its all about. And i got to say i lub it!.
"if u can blob u can always get away using skills annyway "and not logging".
SO no way in hell im signing this!
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente
MAIDS
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Posted - 2007.08.27 14:20:00 -
[480]
sure I'll sign.
I'm not for any more nerfs period.
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CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
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