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Omega Vistage
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Posted - 2007.05.28 19:02:00 -
[91]
+1
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Gealbhan
Caldari
The SAS
The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2007.05.28 19:02:00 -
[92]
"The Squeaky wheel gets the grease"
That's a saying for sometime now meaning if people whine enough about it, it'll be done.
I have seen some good games destroyed because the forum "nerf this and that" minority were pandered to.
This is what we are dealing with, a minority, the vocal elite that have no right to dictate the playstyle of the majority. Listen to the minority, sure, but you don't *have* to take everything they whine about as gospel either.
I do not own a covert ship, yes they have caused me problems in the past but hey, That's Eve, live with it and move on.
Leave covert ships as they are. That's why they're called covert.
"Concentrate all your fire on one target, when it is destroyed, move on to the next. That is how you secure victory". - Tactica Imperium. |
Niton Stormrider
HCD
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Posted - 2007.05.28 19:06:00 -
[93]
/signed
I'm training towards cloaking skills so I can do moon surveying and exploration for my corp solo in dangerous space. If I can't park it in a safespot and go over my survey data, or wait the half hour for my moon probes to finish their work, how am I supposed to do this? It's really hard to do a decent survey of a system when you a jumping to and fro safespots looking over your shoulder. What's a cloak FOR, fer crying out loud?
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
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Posted - 2007.05.28 19:14:00 -
[94]
*hands out more fliars to get people to sign* 
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Hoshiko Rei
System-Lords
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2007.05.28 19:23:00 -
[95]
No cloak nerf! 
/Signed
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GreGh Rakrot
Naughty 40
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Posted - 2007.05.28 19:33:00 -
[96]
/signed
Altough I think something must be changed I dont think this is the way to go. I dont like all those cloaked farmer ravens with 2+ accounts either but this isnt the solution.
DS's post about cloaks using something like heavy water to work is step into right direction imho. |
Aram Gishno
Caldari
The Establishment
Establishment
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Posted - 2007.05.28 19:43:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Aram Gishno on 28/05/2007 19:42:40
Has there been any information on how this will go about? Regular probes and scan-time or specialized probes? If the "problem" that is being adressed is afk-cloakers who stay in certain systems for days, 23/7, then that can be fixed with a probe that has, say a scan time of 30 minutes or so. Voila, recon users and people/corporations who use cloaks as a tactical module to pick their fights and avoid blobs can still go about their business, while the cloaking afkers can be adressed.
It would be nice if someone, say CCP Fendahl, would give a reason behind this "fix" or nerf if you will. Why is cloaks a "problem" in some situations? Because with a scan time of about 30 seconds on covert-ops frigs, the whole idea of cloaks on anything but recons starts to be a bit silly.
So, yeah, /signed I think, at least as it is now.
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Onmarr Shan
Minmatar
Space-Bar
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2007.05.28 19:52:00 -
[98]
/signed
If you can't deal with cloaked ships scouting systems, you need help. And to grow a pair of balls.
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Incident
UK Corp
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:01:00 -
[99]
 Originally by: Hellspawn01
As long as it only affects normal and T2 cloaks and not cov ops cloak, fine with me.
/signed
There is only do or do not, there is no try.
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Beagle2
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:05:00 -
[100]
/signed
Scanning a cloaked ship is absurd. Whats the point in being cloaked if your scanned down to 5*.
Make cov ops cloaks un-scannable.
Fed up of training months and months for recons and cov ops just to get nerfed by a small proportion of whiners.
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Megadon
Caldari
Deathshead Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:12:00 -
[101]
/Signed
Just because, it's the unpopular thing to do so it must be right.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:20:00 -
[102]
Post petition signup updated! *hands out more fliars vigorously!*
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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Bentula
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:31:00 -
[103]
Some people still dont get whats wrong with cloaks. Cloaks alone are not a problem, im not worried about cloaked ships alone at all, but what is a problem is the mix of mechanics like cloaking in combination with login traps.
Let me tell you how it works. You move a cloaker like a arazu and a high damage ship into a hostile system that doesnt see to much traffic. You log the damage pilot off while your arazu stays in space cloaked, waiting for targets. Now the alliance living in the area can do two things: 1. Forget about that system 2. Only use its resources in force.
No alliance has a 24h coverage about every system they use, so you never know how many people are logged in the system only waiting for the cloaker to give the signal.
Now what has this got to do with it? The problem is the cloaker stays in the system for ... hours. Like 10 hours straight. Nobody does that and actually pays attention/moves the ship around between safespots every few min. Now they have to, i like that.
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MrJordanIOI
Minmatar
The Lantern Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:33:00 -
[104]
Please do not make this possible or add an appropiate counter - e.g. remove local - when doing so.
IOI
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Visionsz
Caldari
Midas Tycho
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:36:00 -
[105]
/Signed
Just some pics! |
Anehra
X-Fire
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:36:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Anehra on 28/05/2007 20:35:35
Originally by: MrJordanIOI
Please do not make this possible or add an appropiate counter - e.g. remove local - when doing so.
IOI
Or give us -99% cap use on jumping and a crapload of more agility to make it viable to keep jumping around constantly. As that is what we'll need to do - moving, fast, preferbly jumping, all the time. Purely for covert ops and recon ships, ofc, not for the regular cloak.
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Visionsz
Caldari
Midas Tycho
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:36:00 -
[107]
/Signed
Just some pics! |
Anehra
X-Fire
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:36:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Anehra on 28/05/2007 20:35:35
Originally by: MrJordanIOI
Please do not make this possible or add an appropiate counter - e.g. remove local - when doing so.
IOI
Or give us -99% cap use on jumping and a crapload of more agility to make it viable to keep jumping around constantly. As that is what we'll need to do - moving, fast, preferbly jumping, all the time. Purely for covert ops and recon ships, ofc, not for the regular cloak.
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Thanos Mortis
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:38:00 -
[109]
Cloaked ships of any sort should never appear on the ship scanner
Covert Ops cloaks should either have a huge deviancy for scan probe result or be entirely exempt.
Non-covert cloaks should be probable...
/me personal opinion
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Thanos Mortis
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:38:00 -
[110]
Cloaked ships of any sort should never appear on the ship scanner
Covert Ops cloaks should either have a huge deviancy for scan probe result or be entirely exempt.
Non-covert cloaks should be probable...
/me personal opinion
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Zamaajin Riis
Minmatar
RONA Deepspace
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:39:00 -
[111]
/signed.
Yet another MMO nerfs stealthing. What a suprise.
I have months of training time devoted to my recon skills. At the very least, require a similar time investement from people looking to negate that.
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Zamaajin Riis
Minmatar
RONA Deepspace
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:39:00 -
[112]
/signed.
Yet another MMO nerfs stealthing. What a suprise.
I have months of training time devoted to my recon skills. At the very least, require a similar time investement from people looking to negate that.
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Bentula
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:51:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Anehra
Or give us -99% cap use on jumping and a crapload of more agility to make it viable to keep jumping around constantly. As that is what we'll need to do - moving, fast, preferbly jumping, all the time. Purely for covert ops and recon ships, ofc, not for the regular cloak.
Give me a break. Even the fastest prober cant probe + warp + lock & scramble you in under a minute, and even that would assume him getting lucky and uncloaking you on warpin. How about you just align to a safespot and warp to it when someone uncloaks you? And what has cap to do with it? Not enough cap for jump = automatic safespot.
Would seriously like to know how guys fit your cloakers that you dont have the cap and agility to warp around however you want.
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Siepie
Paradox v2.0
1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.05.28 20:52:00 -
[114]
I do see the need for afk cloakers to be sorted, but for the love of god, dont nerf cloaking itself. When your in a recon/cov ops you are doing recon work ( in most cases ) so you need to go undetected and the enemy cant see where you are.
and,
/signed
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Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:06:00 -
[115]
I have an idea!
If we want to keep covert ops ships from being nerfed by the cloak, why not make all Covert Ops cloaking devices provide a 90% reduction in signature radius? That way cloaked ships will be ten times harder to scan down.
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Amaterasu Omikami
Paradox v2.0
1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:06:00 -
[116]
What Siepie said.
/signed
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Nymos
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:12:00 -
[117]
/signed
(being a recon pilot)
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Every time a carebear dies an angel gets their wings (murder one)
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:16:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Zamaajin Riis
Yet another MMO nerfs stealthing. What a suprise.
I believe you just realized why stealth is finally being nerfed, and not nearly enough imo. Invisible people are not in fun in MMOGs.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:19:00 -
[119]
And the petition count has been updated yet again! Support the anti-cloak nerf movement! *waves fliars around to by-passing people* stop the nerf!
Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
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iknowWho
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Posted - 2007.05.28 21:20:00 -
[120]
/signed
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