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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
882
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Posted - 2012.02.07 09:45:00 -
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Attack the Bloc!
The perennial question surfaces every CSM election GÇô how will the interests of those outside of the nullsec power blocs remain protected, when we are always outnumbered?
The answer is simple. We aren't outnumbered. The reality is that despite the overwhelming vote count that enabled The Mittani to seize the chairman seat in 2011, that figure is vastly exceeded by the majority of EvE players who have different values, different reasons for playing the game, and different ways we feel it should be played.
There is no serious debate that the nullsec power blocs have exploited the fact that low sec and high sec voters split their votes consistently between various well-intentioned candidates without rallying behind a single front-runner with the backing needed to compete with Alliance-level unity.
That all changes this election. I am extremely proud to offer low sec and highsec residents alike a fighting chance to be heard on the council, despite doomsday predictions about lack of a voting core, and despite cries that the rules must be changed to cater to those of us who want to run outside of a 0.0 bloc. I donGÇÖt believe that reform is necessary, or else I wouldnGÇÖt have spent months preparing for this announcement by working with the community.
As will soon be demonstrated, the combined militias of the four factions will be rallying behind me politically GÇô and will provide empire voters the foundation they need for a realistic and achievable race for the top.
Faction Warfare as a feature has suffered from years of neglect, and the proposed direction for its future this summer bears little resemblance to what the pilots who have dedicated years to fighting in Faction Warfare actually desire for the feature. Nullsec influence on the proposed plan is unmistakeable GÇô and now we stand as a unified voice against the narrow-minded belief that what is good for 0.0 is good for the entire game. I hope others that have made careers living in low and high sec space will join me in that chorus.
As I write here, the difficult work of unifying the leadership of the four warring factions as a political force is all but complete. My rival in the Amarr militia, Shalee Lianne, will serve as my principle aide in the coming election, aptly demonstrating that this race is about far more than simply meta-gaming for my own personal faction.
I challenge all other candidates claiming to run for the good of empire space to do some soul searching. Before you decide to "throw your hat into the ring" I implore you to ask yourselves: Do I really have the several thousand vote lead locked down that I'll need to oust an incumbent? Am I willing to just explore and gamble, bleeding votes from serious candidates in the process? This election more than the last GÇô candidates who are just beginning their campaigns need to consider making better use of their influence to back a candidate that is well on their way to a secure, travelling seat, instead of helping the Goons further splinter our votes.
There is no more time for complaints, no more time for tears, and no more time for complacency in the face of "overwhelming odds". There is only time for action!
It will be both a privilege and an honor to lead the fight to protect "the rest of us" GÇô those who enjoy life outside of 0.0 and are tired of being governed by a council that fails to fully understand the nuances of gameplay in all areas of space.
Empire citizens - come join the fight in progress to regain our voice on the council! Elect Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
882
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Posted - 2012.02.07 09:45:00 -
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I also know that to many of you, I am a great unknown variable. Voters deserve to know what I stand for, and why I would benefit the player community beyond my initial voter base within the four militias.
One of the advantages I will bring to CSM 7 is my relative youth as an EvE player. Being only 2 years old inoculates me from GÇ£bittervetGÇ£ status, and I am generally more optimistic and forward-thinking than those that have been around for much longer and developed greater cynicism EvEGÇÖs future. I think a fresh perspective that is sympathetic to newer players with fewer skillpoints would greatly benefit the integrity of the next council. I soundly reject The MittaniGÇÖs belief that the CSM only functions effectively when it is filled with candidates who view the game through the lens of 0.0 space.
However, it would be useless to sit back and declare myself a an empire candidate, if I havenGÇÖt actually taken the time to consider some of the serious issues facing low and high sec and present possible solutions. As IGÇÿve said before, candidates declaring themselves GÇ£a voice for empire spaceGÇ£ better have some plans, some ideas, even if imperfect and in need of refinement.
I invite all voters to make an informed decision this coming election by reading through my platform document, which I have placed on ChribbaGÇÖs server for every citizen to access and review. If you like what you read, please do me the honor of supporting me with your vote, and encouraging others to do the same.
I have begun a blog, too. I hear EvE players enjoy these! I will continue to update it as the election progresses, using it as a tool to share commentary and writings on various issues you will no doubt challenge me with as we move forward. If you have anything youGÇÖd like to ask me, fire away. IGÇÖm an open book.
Last but not least, you can follow me and ask me questions via Twitter as well.
As a newcomer to the race I anticipate being swamped with feedback and questions in the days to come, so I appreciate your patience as I strive to communicate with each one of you who take the time to ask questions and get to know me.
Best of luck to the other candidates, you now have your work cut out for you!! |
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
50
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Posted - 2012.02.07 09:54:00 -
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Good Luck. |
uredo
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES
1
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Posted - 2012.02.07 10:14:00 -
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You have my votes Hans.
Good luck. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
235
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Posted - 2012.02.07 10:43:00 -
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Just one quick suggestion... use text justification in your PDF document, it's pretty uncomfortable to read text blocs with disimilar edges.
Wil comment further when i finish reading it, if my eyes don't hurt too much from those jigsaw edges.
Addenda: WTF is "GCC"? ALWAYS DEFINE JARGON!! EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
883
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Posted - 2012.02.07 10:53:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Just one quick suggestion... use text justification in your PDF document, it's pretty uncomfortable to read text blocs with disimilar edges. Wil comment further when i finish reading it, if my eyes don't hurt too much from those jigsaw edges. Addenda: WTF is "GCC"? ALWAYS DEFINE JARGON!!
GCC = Global Criminal Countdown.
I'm sorry I hurt your eyes.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
235
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Posted - 2012.02.07 11:03:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Just one quick suggestion... use text justification in your PDF document, it's pretty uncomfortable to read text blocs with disimilar edges. Wil comment further when i finish reading it, if my eyes don't hurt too much from those jigsaw edges. Addenda: WTF is "GCC"? ALWAYS DEFINE JARGON!! GCC = Global Criminal Countdown. I'm sorry I hurt your eyes.
No need to be sorry, justify the text before you lose any readers in the first paragraphs. Certainly I finished reading that messy paragraphs only because it's you... EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Tsubutai
The Tuskers
57
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Posted - 2012.02.07 11:12:00 -
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You wrote a 20 page pdf with, like, 50 references to the mittani. Uh..... wow. |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
189
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Posted - 2012.02.07 11:18:00 -
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I have read through your document and found myself agreeing with it quite strongly. I have followed your activities on FW threads with interest and very pleased to find you are running.
The most intriguing part of it is that you have got the whole FW crowd behind you which is a decent sized constituency to start from.
This guy has a chance, you have my votes. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
885
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Posted - 2012.02.07 11:29:00 -
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Tsubutai wrote:You wrote a 20 page pdf with, like, 50 references to the mittani. Uh..... wow.
Your point? He is the current Chairman, and the current front-runner for this election as well. I think it is important for voters to know what their options are, and how I differ from the other leading candidates in the race. I'm quite comfortable talking about The Mittani. He's kind of hard to ignore, its an election after all.
As for the length, no apologies there. I'm not particularly well-known, so I wanted to give voters as best a look as they could at me, my experiences, ideas, and values. Some will take the time to read it, others won't. I'm sure the bloggers will break it all down and dissect it and put out their own TL:DR take on it for the impatient ones soon enough here, and that's fine. I'm looking forward to seeing what they have to say!
I'll be participating in all the other avenues candidates use to get their message across, this document is just a starting place for those that don't know me. There will be plenty of time to share the digested version as the campaign season unfolds....
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Drackarn
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
5
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Posted - 2012.02.07 11:42:00 -
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Great to see a candidate totally dedicated to high/low sec improvements with a faction war background.
I've been advocating the CSM should have wider representation than just null sec. We need CSM delegates from a range of space who do a range of things in the sandbox.
Best of luck, you got my vote. http://sandciderandspaceships.blogspot.com/ |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1231
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Posted - 2012.02.07 11:49:00 -
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Hans, I like your platform, read the document, its good.
All I need to know is where you stand on microtransactions in Eve.
Do you support the removal of the NeX store? Do believe ALL content should be included in the subscription client and accessible through gameplay? Do you believe ship skins should be for LP store points not Aurum? Do you believe corp/alliance logos on ships should be default content not MT extra?
In short, are you prepared to do what CSM 6 was not, and tell CCP to forget plans for "vanity" microtransactions completely and return their vision for the income model purely to improving the Eve client so that more people subscribe.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
235
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Posted - 2012.02.07 12:01:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: Hans, I like your platform, read the document, its good.
All I need to know is where you stand on microtransactions in Eve.
Do you support the removal of the NeX store? Do believe ALL content should be included in the subscription client and accessible through gameplay? Do you believe ship skins should be for LP store points not Aurum? Do you believe corp/alliance logos on ships should be default content not MT extra?
In short, are you prepared to do what CSM 6 was not, and tell CCP to forget plans for "vanity" microtransactions completely and return their vision for the income model purely to improving the Eve client so that more people subscribe.
He doesn't even talks about WiS, so... *shrugs shoulders* EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
agharaster
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.07 12:07:00 -
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o7
live long and prosper |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
116
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Posted - 2012.02.07 13:56:00 -
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+1. You have my Comet! (And my vote.) |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
295
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Posted - 2012.02.07 14:26:00 -
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I like this guy. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
Shalee Lianne
Imperial Outlaws
64
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Posted - 2012.02.07 14:46:00 -
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Hans absolutely has my vote, and I've wrote on my FW blog why.
http://sovereigntywars.wordpress.com/ <---FW blog http://amarrian.blogspot.com/ -á~ Roleplay blog.http://sovereigntywars.wordpress.com/ ~ Faction War blog. |
Eoghan Gorthaur
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.02.07 14:49:00 -
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Impressive work Hans,
thanks for caring so much, wish you the best !! |
xamine
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
0
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Posted - 2012.02.07 14:59:00 -
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got my vote.. if Q Cats sez good, it's good |
Hiw Freecrest
Colonial Marines EVE Division Villore Accords
0
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Posted - 2012.02.07 15:02:00 -
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all for you, i don't want to play evegoon |
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Jared Reidel
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
3
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Posted - 2012.02.07 15:29:00 -
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Yup, you've got my vote as well. Sensible looking suggestions for low-sec that are a lot more than just FW and so should be of interest to Pirate low-sec dwellers as well.
Good Luck Hans! |
Princess Nexxala
The Rock Hard Roosters Villore Accords
22
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Posted - 2012.02.07 15:32:00 -
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I fully endorse this candidate
FW and low sec need some love... Is sexy time? |
JiZzLoObber
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
3
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Posted - 2012.02.07 15:36:00 -
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+1 , you got my vote Hans
to hell with null-sec, those babys get to much of CCP's attention |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
909
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Posted - 2012.02.07 16:21:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: All I need to know is where you stand on microtransactions in Eve.
Thank you for the kind words, Jade! I consider them a high compliment, given your experience on the council.
Microtransactions were one of many issues that for the sake of brevity (if such a word is even appropriate for my campaign primer) I was unable to include in the document but am happy to discuss as they are brought up.
Personally, I loathe the layering of microtransactions onto games which are already subscription-supported . Even when used to deliver content players ask for, it still feels tacky, commercial, and disruptive to me. And especially within a game like EvE where the entire item economy should be player-driven, microtransactions are a particularly dangerous payment model to flirt with.
One of my frustrations with the NeX store rollout was that CCP just sold the items straight to players for cash - there were no materials necessary nor any manufacturing process used, and the items themselves were unpopular enough that there isnGÇÖt even a vibrant after-market for them. Players buy items directly for their avatar, but rarely use the EvE market system, which for me just breaks all immersion and highlights them for the cash-grab that they are.
As for ship skins, I would absolutely urge CCP to abandon the microtransaction model, and make them obtainable through in-game means, rather than by asking customers to pay more on top of their existing subscriptions. LP is by far the most sensible solution, since skins will likely be tied to one flavor of NPC faction or another, and therefore could require that factionGÇÖs LP to obtain.
The only possible scenario under which I would tolerate the idea of paying cash for ship skins is if CCP offered players a forced, gunpoint choice GÇô you will either pay cash for these, or we wonGÇÖt bother making them. If given that choice and the majority of players still wanted ship skins enough to pay cash for them, thatGÇÖs their choice, I would have a hard time saying no at that point.
But as for corporate and alliance logos ?? They BETTER come free, and in unlimited quantities. They should be a built-in option to apply to ships without having to pay one isk, one aurum, or one LP to generate. The whole fun of ship logos is the sense of visual unity they create amongst the mixed ships in a fleet, which would be immediately ruined if CCP required any monetary threshold to have them in the first place. |
Gemetan
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.07 16:21:00 -
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You got my vote Hans! Good Luck brudda. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1231
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Posted - 2012.02.07 16:32:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: All I need to know is where you stand on microtransactions in Eve.
Thank you for the kind words, Jade! I consider them a high compliment, given your experience on the council. Microtransactions were one of many issues that for the sake of brevity (if such a word is even appropriate for my campaign primer) I was unable to include in the document but am happy to discuss as they are brought up. Personally, I loathe the layering of microtransactions onto games which are already subscription-supported . Even when used to deliver content players ask for, it still feels tacky, commercial, and disruptive to me. And especially within a game like EvE where the entire item economy should be player-driven, microtransactions are a particularly dangerous payment model to flirt with. One of my frustrations with the NeX store rollout was that CCP just sold the items straight to players for cash - there were no materials necessary nor any manufacturing process used, and the items themselves were unpopular enough that there isnGÇÖt even a vibrant after-market for them. Players buy items directly for their avatar, but rarely use the EvE market system, which for me just breaks all immersion and highlights them for the cash-grab that they are. As for ship skins, I would absolutely urge CCP to abandon the microtransaction model, and make them obtainable through in-game means, rather than by asking customers to pay more on top of their existing subscriptions. LP is by far the most sensible solution, since skins will likely be tied to one flavor of NPC faction or another, and therefore could require that factionGÇÖs LP to obtain. The only possible scenario under which I would tolerate the idea of paying cash for ship skins is if CCP offered players a forced, gunpoint choice GÇô you will either pay cash for these, or we wonGÇÖt bother making them. If given that choice and the majority of players still wanted ship skins enough to pay cash for them, thatGÇÖs their choice, I would have a hard time saying no at that point. But as for corporate and alliance logos ?? They BETTER come free, and in unlimited quantities. They should be a built-in option to apply to ships without having to pay one isk, one aurum, or one LP to generate. The whole fun of ship logos is the sense of visual unity they create amongst the mixed ships in a fleet, which would be immediately ruined if CCP required any monetary threshold to have them in the first place.
Thats good enough for me.
I'll be endorsing your candidature and sending my votes your way.
This time around I am convinced we need far better grass roots representation of the player base and much less monotone nullsec influence on the council.
Good luck Hans. Hope you win!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2924
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Posted - 2012.02.07 16:36:00 -
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I sort of assumed that Hans would be a FW candidate this year and I support him, no need to get all ~rah rah mittens~ about it.
During CSM6 Hans reached out to us and gave us a whole list of FW fixes, which we promptly dumped in CCP's lap, and they're now cognizant of them - pretty much entirely due to Hans taking the initiative.
FW dudes should have a rep, just like Wormhole dudes. If I was a FW player, I'd rally behind Hans. Good luck!
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
50
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Posted - 2012.02.07 16:38:00 -
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And my axe!
Vote Hans for Free Hans Jobs. (They are really good, I promise.) |
M0220H
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
15
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Posted - 2012.02.07 16:38:00 -
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Congrats Hans,
Ive known you for the past two years and I cant think of anyone I know in lowsec who has the passion to help out the low sec and FW players in this game.
You have all my votes.
Were all rooting for you!
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Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
562
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Posted - 2012.02.07 17:13:00 -
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Good luck
And it all starts officialy tommorow.
Quote:February 8th to 22nd GÇô Candidacy application period opens |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
923
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Posted - 2012.02.07 17:20:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: This time around I am convinced we need far better grass roots representation of the player base and much less monotone nullsec influence on the council.
That is precisely my mission here. The militia community has been really supportive in understanding that they really are only providing the core vote base needed to compete against the 0.0 power blocs, helping me to shrug off the question about viability that has been rightfully directed at the other empire "front runner" candidates so far. It will be the wide-ranging support of pilots like yourself that believe in the inherent value of my platform that will help me the rest of the way to a top seat.
I want my election to CSM7 to be a truly grassroots effort spread among capsuleers from all walks of life who believe I can do a stand-up job of representing the non-null voice on the council. Hence, why Faction Warfare discussion only comprises a small portion of my complete platform.
The difference between a militia "bloc" vote and an alliance bloc vote is simple - I have no whipping power or authority to force compliance from any Faction Warfare pilot, and certainly not those that belong to enemy factions. In order to secure widespread, unanimous support from the leadership of the four militias, I've had to convince them to cooperate with my campaign based solely on the merit of my ideas and their collective faith that I will protect their voice with CCP if elected.
The work ahead of me now is to demonstrate to the voting public that the experience I've gained working with the militia community will equally serve the rest of the player base throughout the coming year.
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Karmilla Strife
Black Dog Shady Missionaries
14
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Posted - 2012.02.07 17:34:00 -
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As a faction warfare veteran, I'm more than happy to support a candidate who'll keep the interest of low-sec dwellers at heart. +1 vote for Hans. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
923
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Posted - 2012.02.07 17:35:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:I sort of assumed that Hans would be a FW candidate this year and I support him, no need to get all ~rah rah mittens~ about it.
During CSM6 Hans reached out to us and gave us a whole list of FW fixes, which we promptly dumped in CCP's lap, and they're now cognizant of them - pretty much entirely due to Hans taking the initiative.
FW dudes should have a rep, just like Wormhole dudes. If I was a FW player, I'd rally behind Hans. Good luck!
Thank you for your recognition of my efforts, and I do appreciate you at least passing on the information, despite the fact that little of it seems to have appeared on CCP's radar in terms of future FW plans.
I'm not sure where the communication breakdown still exists, though we will certainly have time to tackle the issue should the two of us end up on the winning council together.
Also, for the record, I must clarify that despite your words of support here, I do NOT want voters to construe this as any kind of indication that we stand for the same values. You and I have some fairly fundamental differences regarding the ways we think certain areas of space should be improved, which will no doubt become clear as we move further into election season and conduct our interviews and continue to blog, etc.
That being said, let the games begin! It's going to be a fun election season. I hope the other empire candidate hopefuls bring their "A" game, they'll need it to go up against you and the other incumbents campaigning in this race.
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2930
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Posted - 2012.02.07 18:15:00 -
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I kind of doubt the idea that we have wildly conflicting ideas, I mostly stay out of FW issues. You're not running a campaign against me, even though you might think you are as a political neophyte. Our constituencies don't intersect.
You're running primarily against Meissa and his lowsec voter pool, as well as Trebor, T'Amber, Issler and Kelduum for hisec nonaligneds.
Protip is to mostly ignore this forum as it's a sideshow and focus on organizing your base; people vote based on identification, and if you're going to be the 'FW Guy' you need to ensure every FW player knows about your run via ingame means. Making long posts in Jita Park or trying to be 'more than the FW Guy' will just result in Trebor, Meissa, et al turning their guns on you, but if you stick to gotv on your base you'll sail to a seat (probably an alt one, but maybe not)
7th seat right now is likely to be either a wormholer or you as FW, unless Riverini somehow convinces enough people to vote for him via EN24.
Anyway, feel free to hit me up on Skype or ingame if you'd like to touch base on campaign strategy. The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Garr Earthbender
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
33
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Posted - 2012.02.07 18:21:00 -
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You have my Coercer (and my vote). -Rock is overpowered, Scissors is fine. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
6
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Posted - 2012.02.07 18:25:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:But as for corporate and alliance logos ??.. Wouldn't it be a rather silly idea to launch such custom jobs as 'standard' (ie. no costs at all)? Should be an in-game cost for sure, preferably ISK but could be marketable materials found in specific sites as well .. but some kind of bar has to be in place or everyone and their mother will be brandishing them thus watering the whole idea down like a pint of lager at a nightclub.
As for supporting Hans .. not sure it is kosher to support an insurgent slave, Minnies are not exactly pillars of the community after all!
Hahahahaha.
PS: You have my vote as well as those whose arms I can twist and whose ears I can whisper into between now and then.
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Transmaritanus
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.07 19:14:00 -
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I'm renaming all my ships to HANS FOR CSM |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
933
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Posted - 2012.02.07 19:31:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:I kind of doubt the idea that we have wildly conflicting ideas, I mostly stay out of FW issues.
Except for your repeated discussion of using Faction Warfare as a test bed for null sec sovereignty mechanics, of course.
Again, while I appreciate you encouraging me to "shoot for the middle", I have no intention of doing so. I will not be running merely as the "FW Guy", and have no problem seeking votes from players residing in both high sec and low sec space, since both regions are important to me as they have been my joint home for the entirety of my EvE career.
Issler, T'Amber, and Kelduum will all have to strongly consider whether or not they hold the voting core needed to rival mine if their goal is to achieve one of the top 7 seats. If not, I hope they will consider supporting my own campaign instead. They might also be fine with aiming for a lower seat, and may continue to campaign regardless, that is their decision of course.
As for Meissa, the bottom line is that I have lived in lowsec since I began playing the game, and have many influential friends in the various pirate corporations, because there is a huge crossover between lowsec pirate circles and the former Faction Warfare crowd. Both groups have a huge interest at stake this Spring, with much of the future health of low sec space hinging upon whether or not Faction Warfare will be forced to more closely resemble null sec, or whether it will maintain its core appeal as a haven for small gang PvP. I urge all low sec pilots to read over my platform, and to consider supporting me with a vote, regardless of the existence of an already popular incumbent.
I am quite comfortable putting myself forward as an empire candidate this Spring election, regardless of the challenge I face running against the incumbents, and I wouldn't come out saying as much if I didn't already know that I have the head start needed to realistically achieve one of the top council seats. I invite all eve players to consider supporting me with their votes, regardless of whatever label or category or label you'd like to place me in.
As for being a political neophyte, that's a pretty fair assessment. However, I think voters are smart enough to understand that sometimes, a fresh perspective is needed for the health of the CSM, and that my lack of political experience is in no way a statement upon my ability to represent their interest on the council.
Just as in real life, CSM7 needs strong leadership, not just a winning group of skilled politicans. |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1374
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Posted - 2012.02.07 19:34:00 -
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Good luck in the elections, Hans. You've demonstrated that you have the primary characteristic of a good CSM; the willingness to work hard, without letting emo or ego get in the way.
PS: you slightly misrepresent my position in your manifesto. While I agree that the tolerance for griefing is something that distinguishes EVE from most other MMOs, this is not quite the same thing as liking it, approving of it, or thinking the current state of affairs is properly balanced.
But hey, what's an election without a little slander between friends? CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism! CSM 6 Activities Summary | My CSM blog |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
641
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Posted - 2012.02.07 19:43:00 -
[40] - Quote
I would say with out a doubt this is the candidate for folks that are focused on Faction Warfare. I still think we need a mining candidate and I will remain focused on getting one with a mining focus in the CSM 7 as well.
Good luck Hans! You will do well in the CSM 7. Hope you'll be working along side someone from my party as well!
Issler |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
235
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Posted - 2012.02.07 19:54:00 -
[41] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:I would say with out a doubt this is the candidate for folks that are focused on Faction Warfare. I still think we need a mining candidate and I will remain focused on getting one with a mining focus in the CSM 7 as well.
Good luck Hans! You will do well in the CSM 7. Hope you'll be working along side someone from my party as well!
Issler
Well, but then, FW is a niche within a niche, and Hans may perfectly leave hisec outside of the CSM. Not very thrilling, WiS-like.
Be noted that my main interest is to find a reason to play EVE doing something i didn't did before, and so far there is no feature that interests me. Bounty hunting may be the thing closest to my initial interests if it ever gets to harm griefers as much as griefers harm everyone else, but, otoh, WiS people was cheated by CCP and they shouldn't get off with it that easily. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
940
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Posted - 2012.02.07 20:35:00 -
[42] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Well, but then, FW is a niche within a niche, and Hans may perfectly leave hisec outside of the CSM. Not very thrilling, WiS-like. Be noted that my main interest is to find a reason to play EVE doing something i didn't did before, and so far there is no feature that interests me. Bounty hunting may be the thing closest to my initial interests if it ever gets to harm griefers as much as griefers harm everyone else, but, otoh, WiS people was cheated by CCP and they shouldn't get off with it that easily.
Let's talk about "niche" for a moment. I want to be straight with you. Last summer, thousands of subscriptions started dropping due to the frustration over a much hyped and under-delivered expansion that did not resonate with the majority of the player base. To put it simply, the vast majority of eve players are far more concerned with matters concerning spaceships, than they are with WiS.
I'm sorry to say, there will be no major candidate capable of winning a CSM seat that rides on a platform of WiS, as you desire, because there is not a dedicated community that wishes to protect WiS badly enough to force the issue with CCP. If such players existed in volume, surely you would be their champion and it would be you announcing a campaign, instead of myself. I don't say this to sound pompous, this is just a matter of demographic reality that I know you are still struggling to accept.
If you really believe that as many players want more WiS as you think they do, the burden is on YOU to organize them into a fighting force, not to sit back and remain frustrated that no one will talk about it in their campaigns.
I completely respect that WiS is a matter of great importance to you, I was really looking forward to Establishments myself. I make boosters in lowsec, and loved the idea of having a "Quark's bar" where I can deal drugs in the corner, behind the Quafe soda machine. Sadly, I'm afraid this won't be a reality anytime soon.
This is not a responsibility you can place on CSM candidates, however. it is CCP that decided that WiS are on the back burner until the other core game play mechanics are fixed, because they know better than any of us what Incarna was doing for their revenue streams, since the players voted out WiS with their wallets last summer.
I will also point out that I have no desire or energy to debate the WiS issue, this will be my last statement on the subject for the duration of the campaign. Unless CCP decides to re-prioritize WiS, the CSM won't be able to do much good as we will only be feedback mechanisms for the features CCP has decided to work on. We don't tell them what to work on, only how to make it better. Best of luck with your pursuit, I of all people understand having a niche interest and what it takes to fight to protect it.
Oh - and as for Bounty Hunting, this is a big part of my platform for High Sec space. I wholeheartedly endorse any measure that lets the griefed grief griefers in return, and I truly believe that a player-driven "security economy" is a much better solution to increased reliance on CONCORD NPC's in the pursuit of making High Sec space safe. Please take the time to read my document if you have not already, I think you will appreciate my sense of urgency regarding the reform of both the kill rights and Bounty system. I WANT to help make your dream of being a bounty hunter a reality, and will most certainly fight for it should I be elected to the CSM7. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
246
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Posted - 2012.02.07 20:43:00 -
[43] - Quote
Very few communities were as fractured as the faction war crowd. Hans managed to find the commonality and propose things that pretty much everyone agrees on.
Yet considering the views of others in low sec and several in null, I have no doubt that the majority of his vote will come from outside faction war. His goals for low sec will resonate well beyond faction war.
The last csm did some things well but when it came to low sec ideas they were mostly silent. Judging from the few comments that did make it into the minutes, silence is the best we can hope for from them. The mindset is just too different.
Most of the things that most non-faction war low sec players dislike about faction war Hans, and fw players themselves, also dislike. So even the things he addresses within faction war will be big pluses for those who don't do faction war.
Moreover I think there will be lots of null sec players who are tired of the slow pace and would love to see ccp work toward the goals he sets forth. The general foundations of sov null sec require a certain mechanics (slow ass timers, blobs etc.) that yield allot of boring game play. Players invested allot of time to acquire those areas so before they lose them they need ample opportunity to defend. This is understandable, but it still means allot of boring down time.
Low sec and npc null sec are pretty much free from that burden. Things can happen faster, be more dynamic and action packed. I think there are allot of people in all areas of space that would like ccp ot work toward that.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Gritz1
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
56
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Posted - 2012.02.07 20:53:00 -
[44] - Quote
Hans is a great guy to fly with and has had great insights on FW. +1 and good luck. |
zero2espect
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES
27
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Posted - 2012.02.07 21:05:00 -
[45] - Quote
hans buddy,
i was all set to +1 you based on your previously stated positions on FW. that was until i read your manifesto. man there is some out there ideas in there that are just plain crazy.
i'd also tone down the "i'm just 2" and other commentary that alienates you from the "bitter veterens" who have been here since the start of eve. the ****** CSMs have cost us billions in the last 2 releases and the last thing many of us want is dangerous changes applied by people yet to experience "everything" that eve has to offer.
personally i want to see small steady changes to the way things work, not wholesale changes that again, cost billions of isk and hundreds of hours in wasted skill points. some common, don't turn low-sec-into-0.0, make eve simpler and faster, get more fights and kills, sense. you may also want to tone down the RP a bit. sure it makes it interesting to read but "half" of FW doesn't need to be reminded that we'd rather shoot you than vote for you.
best of luck and i'll patiently watch and see how this unfolds before casting a vote.
btw. an idea that may help out your quest re: mining would be to take mining and make it more profitable and interesting through mission arcs. either mining the $*%# of roids or killing 0.0 like freight trains. have them available in hi-sec and low-sec so it also feeds the pirate eco-system. |
S810 Jr
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
0
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Posted - 2012.02.07 21:16:00 -
[46] - Quote
You got my vote. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
356
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Posted - 2012.02.07 22:08:00 -
[47] - Quote
+1 for Hans.
*resists urge to say something mean* "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
189
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Posted - 2012.02.07 22:16:00 -
[48] - Quote
I've been around for 4 years now and started running in low sec on my very first day (I died horribly btw). I remember the glory days of low sec piracy, I remember epic fights both big and small in FW and I remember those first exciting days of w-space, diving into the truly unknown. Those days are long past. There is no question that I'm solidly in the bittervet camp.
I think eve today is a poor shadow of what it once was. It isn't so much the mechanics that have changed, it's the players. Players today are far more risk averse. In the past people would go to belts in both low and null sec to rat in full pvp fits. They weren't just looking for rats for isk, they were looking for other players too. This isn't the case anymore. Those players have gone to high sec to gain maximum isk/hr by blitzing lvl4's and incursion sites. They then seek pvp separate from this. That's fine, in a lot of ways that shift was inevitable as players got better and more experienced. But the mechanics of high/low/null sec have not changed to reflect this.
I believe my younger corp mate's platform, if implemented, would help bring game mechanics inline with current player attitudes. He didn't cover everything that needs to be done in his PDF, but he got a lot of it. Low sec is fight club as he put it, even if we don't always like to admit it. It always has been and should remain so. We don't need some silly sov system, those proposals are always made by guys who don't live there. So please set aside your petty differences and vote for him. No one agrees on everything, but his proposals are quite reasonable.
BTW, fix the damn forums, I'm tired of copy/paste every time I type something more than 3 lines long. |
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
37
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Posted - 2012.02.07 22:36:00 -
[49] - Quote
You have my sword + 1 |
Phione
Imperial Outlaws
1
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Posted - 2012.02.07 23:13:00 -
[50] - Quote
I was suprised FW was shunned in such a manner at the round table, Hans.... That was in poor taste, as well as a dereliction of duty. It would be a service to us all, for you represent us on the CSM. |
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Kasidis
Noble Company
11
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Posted - 2012.02.07 23:59:00 -
[51] - Quote
I don't even play FW, but you have my +1 and vote!! Good Luck!! |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis
1
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Posted - 2012.02.08 00:11:00 -
[52] - Quote
+1 here 2 m8 |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
954
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Posted - 2012.02.08 00:34:00 -
[53] - Quote
zero2espect wrote: i'd also tone down the "i'm just 2" and other commentary that alienates you from the "bitter veterens" who have been here since the start of eve. the ****** CSMs have cost us billions in the last 2 releases and the last thing many of us want is dangerous changes applied by people yet to experience "everything" that eve has to offer.
personally i want to see small steady changes to the way things work, not wholesale changes that again, cost billions of isk and hundreds of hours in wasted skill points. some common, don't turn low-sec-into-0.0, make eve simpler and faster, get more fights and kills, sense.
Thanks for the criticism zero! ItGÇÖs going to get real boring, real fast if this thread turns into a giant Hans love-fest. And the voters wouldnGÇÖt learn anything as a result.
I should take a moment first off to clarify that my GÇ£manifestoGÇ¥ is intended to give those that know nothing about me at all, a primer on the types of ideas I think have merit, as well as to get to know my attitudes about certain types game play. There will be plenty of time for in-depth discussion of each issue, I just wanted to catch people up that werenGÇÖt familiar with me or my principles. Fire away if you saw something you thought was "crazy".
One of the core values I hope to bring to the CSM is humility and a willingness to admit when we donGÇÖt have the answers. I make no pretense about knowing it all, and will always defer to expert opinion when I realize IGÇÖm out of my element. The bottom line is that the current council is already composed of so-called GÇ£bittervetsGÇ¥, and in some cases this has proven to be a liability, not an asset.
IGÇÖll pick on Seleene this round, though by the election I'm sure I'll have something to say about all my opponents in the race (thats how these things work). Seleene is most certainly an EvE veteran, to the core - serving in all three capacities: As a player, as a CSM, and as a CCP developer. The problem is, he's still speaking about issues that he clearly doesn't understand. Take some of his recent responses to a questionnaire:
"I think that FW and null-sec sov could, and probably should, have some commonalities with regard to capture mechanics"
"Any proper iteration on FW is going to require a fundamental re-work of how players interact with NPC factions."
Seriously?? If I were Seleene, and wasn't particularly active in Faction Warfare, I would decline to comment rather than just make statements that show a clear lack of understanding about the players that engage in that activity. If this is the kind of "bittervet" expertise you feel belongs on the CSM, than by all means vote for the candidate with the most years under their belt.
One of the reasons I'm running in this race is to bring a sense of humanism and respect to the council with regards to working on features that may not be well represented by the constituents that elected the council members. As I stated in my document, I will continue to refuse to make definitive "this is how it should be" statements about things I'm not an expert on.
I think naivete about a particular issue in EvE is not something that is limited to younger players, clearly experienced pilots can sometimes tunnel vision with regards to a fix in a way that ends up hurting the game.
Quote: you may also want to tone down the RP a bit. sure it makes it interesting to read but "half" of FW doesn't need to be reminded that we'd rather shoot you than vote for you.
I know not every single militia member is aware yet of the work we've been doing, because most of it has gone on behind the scenes, so I still get some skepticism about "will those guys actually work with us?" And my answer always is, "they already are."
I don't ever intentionally role play, I meant what I said about uniting the militias and saving the feature. Those that support me even amongst my "enemies" understand that no matter how much we want to fight each other, we may have a whole host of issues standing in the way of that if CCP moves forward with their "massive overhaul" of FW without consulting the community. I've talked with countless players in all four militias that have downright said they will unsubscribe if CCP implements even a portion of some of the rather insane ideas discussed at the summit. So yes, it really is this important to speak up now, so that we have a say in the future of the feature we all participate in.
I have yet to meet a single Faction Warfare pilot, even those that role play, come up to me and say "I'm not backing you because you're a filthy slave." For all of us, the work to be done with the CSM election has very little to do with what goes on in the low sec warzones on Tranquility. |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
138
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Posted - 2012.02.08 00:37:00 -
[54] - Quote
Hans has my support. He has been in contract with myself about his campaign and the changes that are needed in low sec and high sec mechanics. This is a chance for many people to grab a voice in the discussion over the direction they want low sec and high sec to go. This is not just about an FW candidate. This is about ensuring that the CSM is not dominated by pure null sec players.
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Vote Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7 |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
954
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Posted - 2012.02.08 00:37:00 -
[55] - Quote
Quote:btw. an idea that may help out your quest re: mining would be to take mining and make it more profitable and interesting through mission arcs. either mining the $*%# of roids or killing 0.0 like freight trains. have them available in hi-sec and low-sec so it also feeds the pirate eco-system.
As for mining, in the long run I favor mining changes that involve more movement, both within the belts, as well as between the belts. I think mining should be less sitting and watching lazers cycle, and more about maximizing one's yield through careful piloting and searching out the most lucrative caches of rock to chew on. Missions could indeed be a great part of this. I think we need to see more depletion and respawning, more dynamic resource distribution, and more yield out of each lazer cycle, so that pilots can have fun with the adventure of searching for treasure rather than falling asleep while waiting for one's cargohold to fill.
All of these things would indeed involve some "massive overhauls" I'm afraid, so there's always an exception to "simple is best". I think the primary questions future CSM members should ask themselves when discussing any feature should be, "Have we spoken with the community that these changes affect directly?" as well as "Does this feature REALLY require an overhaul to be improved, or is there a simpler fix we may have overlooked?" |
ceyriot
Amarrian Retribution
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 00:50:00 -
[56] - Quote
Yeah, nice work. I'm impressed, and certainly will be voting for you!
Also, have ever played Mass Effect, with their resource extractor? It's more of finding the big patch on a planet and mining it instead of just pointing at a planet and going.
I feel that it could be similar in Eve, you could either just mine the asteroid as it is now, or you could move and scan the asteroids and look for the biggest mineral patch, and then mine that and get more ISK quicker. This would still let people mine with relatively little effort and still get an income, but also provides a major boost for a new player or for an active and experienced miner who wants to maximize profit.
Just my thoughts. |
Galdornae
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.02.08 01:37:00 -
[57] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: ItGÇÖs going to get real boring, real fast if this thread turns into a giant Hans love-fest.
Fine, then I hate you.
Seriously though, Hans is a smart candidate, especially if you care about FW at all.
I'm Galdornae and I approved this candidate.
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Aidan Padecain
Almsivi Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 01:39:00 -
[58] - Quote
I don't engage in faction war, it is not a mechanic that I have much experience in. However, your conduct in the forums, cogent presentation of ideas, measured response and overall "this guys gets his ****" - ness has me seriously contemplating a vote for you.
You have my like.
Good luck sir. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution
33
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Posted - 2012.02.08 02:25:00 -
[59] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: -Send the message that we want more activity in lowsec, but not more blobbing!
-Send the message that we culturally disdain the drama that complicates 0.0 warfare!
-Send the message that we are not a test bed for nullsec sovereignty improvements!
-Send the message that we are not here to be GÇ£co-optedGÇ¥ by nullsec groups!
I cant beleive im saying this.
You have my vote
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
82
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Posted - 2012.02.08 02:31:00 -
[60] - Quote
Read your platform Hans, you're very passionate about EVE and will be a great representative for the existing FW crowd and other current Low sec residents. However, I'm not part of that constituency, and actually really liked what Selene had to say about NPC interaction, and was less than thrilled by your hostility to EVE's real Piracy (for profit PvP) in your platform. |
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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
138
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Posted - 2012.02.08 02:40:00 -
[61] - Quote
Flyinghotpocket wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: -Send the message that we want more activity in lowsec, but not more blobbing!
-Send the message that we culturally disdain the drama that complicates 0.0 warfare!
-Send the message that we are not a test bed for nullsec sovereignty improvements!
-Send the message that we are not here to be GÇ£co-optedGÇ¥ by nullsec groups!
I cant beleive im saying this. You have my vote Haha - FHP is supporting a minnie!!!
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Vote Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7 |
Lord Azeroth
Amarrian Retribution
10
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Posted - 2012.02.08 02:55:00 -
[62] - Quote
Got my vote ! |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
191
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Posted - 2012.02.08 02:57:00 -
[63] - Quote
Don't forget to like the OP so he gets to the threshold of 100. |
Zmaster BloodLust
BloodLust Enterprises Apocalypse Now.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 03:21:00 -
[64] - Quote
No need to writte a Wall of text... mutch has been said before so... Good luck to you Hans, you got my vote!
Regards, Z |
Zostrallis
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.02.08 03:30:00 -
[65] - Quote
u got my vote Hans, i hope those that dont know you take the time to read your manifesto. |
Iestor
Sefem Velox
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 03:41:00 -
[66] - Quote
Hans go for it mate, we need someone to represent us, you got my vote. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
975
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Posted - 2012.02.08 03:48:00 -
[67] - Quote
Flyinghotpocket wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: -Send the message that we want more activity in lowsec, but not more blobbing!
-Send the message that we culturally disdain the drama that complicates 0.0 warfare!
-Send the message that we are not a test bed for nullsec sovereignty improvements!
-Send the message that we are not here to be GÇ£co-optedGÇ¥ by nullsec groups!
I cant beleive im saying this. You have my vote
You have no idea how much this means to me |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
116
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Posted - 2012.02.08 04:10:00 -
[68] - Quote
I had a feeling that you would eventually run. The only lingering question was whether you would pigeonhole yourself as a FW delegate or make a wiser move to represent lowsec/hisec space.
Your document and platform really shows how much you've thought this through. I have already promoted your link in the Gallente militia channel for more 'likes' . I will also promote you to my own corp.
Good luck
EDIT: Your document is too wordy and could probably be more succinct and concise. Alot of people will not read through 20 pages. Hopefully you can find someone to cut down the verboseness of the document and help get your message across alot clearer. Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Bob McGenericname
Angry Mustellid
7
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Posted - 2012.02.08 04:28:00 -
[69] - Quote
Flyinghotpocket wrote:I cant beleive im saying this.
You have my vote
I say we form a superpac: Ex Proper Villains for a More Jagerblitzen'd CSM
plus, voting for Hans means I get to spite Zero, and what greater purpose is there in life |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution
33
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Posted - 2012.02.08 04:40:00 -
[70] - Quote
Har Harrison wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: -Send the message that we want more activity in lowsec, but not more blobbing!
-Send the message that we culturally disdain the drama that complicates 0.0 warfare!
-Send the message that we are not a test bed for nullsec sovereignty improvements!
-Send the message that we are not here to be GÇ£co-optedGÇ¥ by nullsec groups!
I cant beleive im saying this. You have my vote Haha - FHP is supporting a minnie!!!
i have flown with hans many times, and he is still a minmatar militia member, and i know that his intentions are good.
IF i, flyinghotpocket am saying this. the rest of all militia's need to be saying this.
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Jhaelee de'Auvrie
The Peerage
2
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Posted - 2012.02.08 04:42:00 -
[71] - Quote
I think Hans is one of the few people I would trust to voice FW issues in a non-faction biased fashion. You will have may vote. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
978
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Posted - 2012.02.08 05:01:00 -
[72] - Quote
Deen Wispa wrote:
EDIT: Your document is too wordy and could probably be more succinct and concise. Alot of people will not read through 20 pages. Hopefully you can find someone to cut down the verboseness of the document and help get your message across alot clearer.
No apologies here. I have been unimpressed by the amount of information and opinions offered by the other candidates in the race, and much criticism has rightfully been cast about whether any of us actually stand for anything, or have any proposals we'd like to push through.
That, and a lot of people just don't know me. Frankly, I've just chosen to lay it all out there, and let people decide whether to read it or not. The ones that are patient enough to read the document, are the ones really care about the outcome of this race. Readers that simply go "TL:DR" are less likely to follow through with actually voting when the time comes, so I'd rather reach out to the ones that are really invested enough in the race to be studying the candidates carefully this early in the game.
There will be certainly time to bulletinize everything in the days to come, but frankly I'm spent after writing that beast and the bloggers will surely do most of the dissecting work for me over the next few days. Whatever they can't distill from my little paper, I'll be happy to spell out more clearly for you all.
In the meantime I'm just continuing to quietly build my core network of committed support, and answering the various questions that arise that haven't been covered by my primer.
If you're one of the many CEO's, FC's, Directors, or other community leaders that will be supporting my campaign by sending out the call to vote, be sure to get in touch with me or Shalee Lianne ASAP if you haven't already. We'd love to get you on our mailing list for announcements and the like. I'll try to get everyone responded to within 24-48 hours, thank you for your patience with me during this busy time.
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Choc talar
Praetorian Mining and Planetary Exploitation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 05:22:00 -
[73] - Quote
Finally someone who wants to honestly represent the "others". +1 Hans you got my vote! |
Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.02.08 07:43:00 -
[74] - Quote
Okay so originally I asked these questions to or rather suggested them to the person who was seeking help on what people of highsec may want. I never received a response from him despite spending a fair amount of time before reading up on the issues and condensing them down enough to not be such a headache to read. So anyway without further ado here is some edited copy pasta to see what you think about them.
Personally I think that industry really needs a great big revamp, specifically the mining side of industry. To summarize a thread post that I was reading not too long ago it talks about how to improve mining to the point in which it could potentially be enjoyable and require skill to do properly. The ways in which to make mining more GÇ£funGÇ¥ also increase the difficulty of making a botting program that does everything on its own. Some of the things in this forum post include: Visual differentiation of asteroids up close in order to see a better yield, system wide belts (finally), Much larger difference in yields of ore essentially giving more use to the survey scanner along with the visual cues to show the difference (i.e. Instead of having there be 2 better yields of 5% per ore instead have 5%, 50%, 100%, 200%, etc.), remove drone mineral drops and replace them with higher bounties, remove t1 drops and instead have rats drop bpcGÇÖs (This one IGÇÖm unsure about but itGÇÖs mostly going towards only allowing players to acquire minerals through mining), and finally having probing mechanics assist you in finding this higher yield ore.
Those are just some of the things mentioned within the thread that I believe have some merrit.
The thread can be found here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=672496#post672496
Also anyone who considers the mining system in ME2 to be anywhere near "good" seriously needs to reconsider what you find fun and worth your time.
The second suggestion that I mentioned was the removal of "tiers" and instead having roles instead for each type of ship in Eve. There are a fair amount of T1 ships all across the board that are never used because there are just direct upgrades to them. This should be fixed and can be done by adjusting the ships into their own specific roles. There honestly isn't much more to say on the issue and in my original post suggesting this I started to ramble. So anyway here is the thread post, however it does take a fair amount of reading compared to the other one to find some of the better posts in it.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24582
Anyway those are the two biggest things that I would like to know out of pretty much all of the candidates, you seem like one of the more likely ones that may win running partially for highsec.
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DeBingJos
T.R.I.A.D
194
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Posted - 2012.02.08 07:51:00 -
[75] - Quote
You have my vote. Fix FW ! |
Venus Rinah
Paladin Philanthropists
42
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Posted - 2012.02.08 07:54:00 -
[76] - Quote
Likewise the manifesto or details you have surrounding your intentions for improving the game I find appealing and well balanced.
But like the comment above, as much as moving roids might add some fun, i don't think it will remove botting, they'll simply compensate, more importantIy I would want to see supported views of making mining a more "competive" role in EvE so as to be better recognised as a more valid activity which would sway a number of industrial types like myself much more strongly in favour of the candidacy. |
ceyriot
Amarrian Retribution
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 07:55:00 -
[77] - Quote
Joyitii wrote:Also anyone who considers the mining system in ME2 to be anywhere near "good" seriously needs to reconsider what you find fun and worth your time. Wasn't saying it was good, just wanted to say that it is something that could be done, relatively easily. (I think) Also, it would add more variation to the long-stagnant process of mining. |
Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.02.08 07:57:00 -
[78] - Quote
ceyriot wrote:Joyitii wrote:Also anyone who considers the mining system in ME2 to be anywhere near "good" seriously needs to reconsider what you find fun and worth your time. Wasn't saying it was good, just wanted to say that it is something that could be done, relatively easily. (I think) Also, it would add more variation to the long-stagnant process of mining. I suppose you have me there but I've forever had a gripe with how terrible that system was for mining. At least unlock how fast you can spin the damn planet. : / |
thoth rothschild
Mercenaries UNLiMiTED Double Tap.
63
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Posted - 2012.02.08 08:31:00 -
[79] - Quote
as it seems all the csm candidates try very very hard to kill all the empire pvp and empire wardec system.
Ask yourself the question why 70% of players are highsec and why 30% of them are pvp vets. This is the last pvp resort for many old vets who no longer have the time to play 24/7.
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Gianiss Dee
Monty Pythons Flying Spaceships
2
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Posted - 2012.02.08 08:35:00 -
[80] - Quote
+1 Hans. Glad to see someone knows there is more to Eve than 0.0. |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
331
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Posted - 2012.02.08 09:01:00 -
[81] - Quote
Quote:If you enlist in a player corp in EvE, I believe you should vulnerable to a war declaration. There isn't much to debate here, its always how its been, and always how it will be. I believe players that can't stomach being wardecced should have the option to choose the NPC corp of their choice (for role play reasons) though the price of security should be a noticeable tax rate (CONCORD security ain't cheap). So you can still haul, mine and trade all you want through NPC corp alts and enjoy a significant advantage over those who don't, you just can't rat as efficiently? Although I'm glad you recognize this as a problem, I'm disappointed that for whatever reason you can't accept that the only solution with substance behind it is simply cutting the cord and doing away with NPC corps entirely (the perma-CONCORD kind, not the faction warfare casual-PvP kind).
But for the record, I do support your platform's general sentiment that CCP should stop kowtowing to the threat of losing carebear subs and actually fix the exploits that they are currently running riot with much to the detriment of the rest of the game. |
Tiberius Murderhorne
Amarrian Retribution
1
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Posted - 2012.02.08 09:28:00 -
[82] - Quote
As Per my Evemail you 100% have the support of both of my accounts.
Cheers Tib CCP Fix Faction War!! - Soo much potential! sooo much awesome! Sort it!
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
515
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Posted - 2012.02.08 11:59:00 -
[83] - Quote
Interesting, I'll read your platform with great care! (even though your a dirty minmatar) - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Ron Mexxico
Origin. Black Legion.
6
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Posted - 2012.02.08 12:58:00 -
[84] - Quote
sup hans
hans a p good man |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
247
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:23:00 -
[85] - Quote
Tsubutai wrote:You wrote a 20 page pdf with, like, 50 references to the mittani. Uh..... wow.
Has anyone on csm 6 differentiated themselves from the mittani on any low sec issue? When it comes to low sec the mittani= csm6. And when it comes to low sec mittani has been fairly straight forward in saying he had nothing to offer.
Since Mynxee was chair did anyone do anything for low sec? All of her momentum that she built for low sec and all of the work she did to try to get things going has been squandered on csm6. Hans is the person who has demonstrated he will pick up that thread and work with the low sec community just like he has with the fw community.
If anything I know about tuskers is true, then Hans should get your vote. You may not like certain particular ideas (for example I think the gcc should be 3 minutes not 10) but the overall goals like this:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: -Send the message that we want more activity in lowsec, but not more blobbing!
-Send the message that we culturally disdain the drama that complicates 0.0 warfare!
-Send the message that we are not a test bed for nullsec sovereignty improvements!
-Send the message that we are not here to be GÇ£co-optedGÇ¥ by nullsec groups!
are hard to refute.
Hans has researched the community and found the ideas that players want. ThatGÇÖs what mynxee was all about too.
I mean if hans is going to be asked to go to a csm summit and the only thing dealing with low sec is FW will be crammed in with a bunch of other GÇ£little thingsGÇ¥ he will do something about it.
Mynxee and csm 5 was pretty clearly told by ccp that they werenGÇÖt going to work on low sec or fw for 18 months. CSM5 and mynxee said well I think that is a horrible idea but eventurally determined that nothing they could do at that time would change ccp. So they just put that in the minutes and basically said good luck to the game.
Many on the csm 5 saw the game was heading down a crap path so pretty much unsubbed. The players didnGÇÖt see it so clearly although there was some uproar at those minutes. However after several crap expansions what they predicted came true. Eve languished and players unsubbed.
Now Mittani claims I am a GÇ£screecher.GÇ¥ Yet if we are to do some GÇ£realtalkGÇ¥ we will see that not only was failing to listen to csm 5 bad for the players it was bad for ccp. It was not until the situation became so dire that they had to layoff 20% of their staff worldwide before they finally realized they canGÇÖt just let eve sit.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/19/ccp-layoffs-affect-20-of-worldwide-staff-company-focusing-on-e/
Now just before this time Mittani was writing articles GÇ£in defense of incarna.GÇ¥ Why was he defending the worst expansion ever? Politics. If he scratches ccpGÇÖs back they will play up csm and make him look good. And that happened. Look at how happy csm and ccp were with eachother early on. CSM even played damage control at the emergency summit. Look at the meetings with mittens and ccp employees on youtube trying to reassure player the game isnGÇÖt going to ****. In exchange CCP was all happy to claim csm has done all sorts of wonderful things. The circle jerk they had going on alienated allot of players from both csm and ccp.
It wasnGÇÖt until these bad decisions (that csm5 decried back in june 2010) took such a hold on ccpGÇÖs financials that no one could deny the stupidity any longer, that mittens finally admitted that ccp needs to work on EVE. When was that goonion address? Sept or October of 2011?? ThatGÇÖs over a year after csm 5 already called that one.
Well better late than never. But really we donGÇÖt need politicians like that. And sadly no one in csm 6 ever stepped outside of mittenGÇÖs lockstep.
We need people who like mynxee will listen to the players and if ccp chooses to ignore them will let the players know that in no uncertain terms. This is the best for the players and the best for ccp.
IGÇÖm not saying Hans has done as much for eve as mynxee has but he is a newer player, than she is, and has already demonstrated he is willing to do that sort of work GÇô if he is given the chance. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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M'nu
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:27:00 -
[86] - Quote
+1
You have my rifter.
Would just like to note, that even tho from opposing sides of the warzone, we have united together (til the battle was complete) to fight a greater enemy before. Then it was pirates, now its CSM. The combined might of faction warriors makes their women wet in anticipation and their men feel woefully inadequate.
Free Hans jobs for errybody. |
Mullokad Iwaira
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:29:00 -
[87] - Quote
+1 Jagerbomb has my vote! |
Benny Ohu
The Lazy Dragoons True Apathy
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:36:00 -
[88] - Quote
Hans seems all right. +1 given. I don't mind CSM6, they've done very well, but having people familiar with different parts of the game on the CSM is ideal, and you have a good head on your shoulders. Also you have this fancypants PDF :O
You mention you don't like micro-transactions in this thread, saying few people would want to spend money on ship skins and all that, and suggesting they be bought through in-game means.
Now pay attention, because I'm about to make an assumption without knowing any of the applicable data. :D
I don't think many people are paying IRL money for vanity items at the moment? I think Player One buys a PLEX for twenty bucks because they want a few million ISK, then some Big Shot with too much ISK for his own good buys a PLEX on the market to convert to AUR. Player One gets their ISK and Big Shot gets their SW33T!1 GOGGLES with ISK they earned in-game. You may not see monocles and codpieces being sold directly through the market just because all clothing trading is being done via PLEX.
The whole PLEX thing makes EVE's microtransaction thing a lot different to any other game. I'd be interested in hearing if people are getting their AUR from USD or ISK.
Uh, I think I had a point in there somewhere, and it was related to the CSM in some way. Whatever, I'll probably be voting for you. :)
Lastly, this is an interesting link. Note the datestamp. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bountyhunting_Improvements_(CSM)
P.S. I remembered to CTRL+C my reply. |
uredo
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES
3
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:46:00 -
[89] - Quote
Looks like he breached the 100 'likes' barrier, so will be on the voting list.
Nice one. |
Sui'Djin
Black Rise Guerilla Forces
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 14:56:00 -
[90] - Quote
+1 greatly appreciated, vote for Hans ! |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1028
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Posted - 2012.02.08 14:58:00 -
[91] - Quote
uredo wrote:Looks like he breached the 100 'likes' barrier, so will be on the voting list.
Correct. With the power of 100 likes you can now all officially begin taking me seriously.
Thanks to everyone who helped accomplish this in less than 24 hours time, yet still ahead of all other candidates.
Do I win a cookie or something? |
Lekimeya
Square Dimensions Quantum Cookies
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 15:00:00 -
[92] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Correct. With the power of 100 likes you can now all officially begin taking me seriously. Thanks to everyone who helped accomplish this in less than 24 hours time, yet still ahead of all other candidates. Do I win a cookie or something?
Cookie granted
Nevertheless, +1 . Go for it, Hans ! |
Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
808
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Posted - 2012.02.08 15:34:00 -
[93] - Quote
Just wanted to say that I am glad that you are running for CSM, Hans. Consider yourself voted.
-.- |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2958
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Posted - 2012.02.08 15:56:00 -
[94] - Quote
Cearain wrote:Tsubutai wrote:You wrote a 20 page pdf with, like, 50 references to the mittani. Uh..... wow. Has anyone on csm 6 differentiated themselves from the mittani on any low sec issue? When it comes to low sec the mittani= csm6. And when it comes to low sec mittani has been fairly straight forward in saying he had nothing to offer. Since Mynxee was chair did anyone do anything for low sec? All of her momentum that she built for low sec and all of the work she did to try to get things going has been squandered on csm6. Hans is the person who has demonstrated he will pick up that thread and work with the low sec community just like he has with the fw community. If anything I know about tuskers is true, then Hans should get your vote. You may not like certain particular ideas (for example I think the gcc should be 3 minutes not 10) but the overall goals like this: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: -Send the message that we want more activity in lowsec, but not more blobbing!
-Send the message that we culturally disdain the drama that complicates 0.0 warfare!
-Send the message that we are not a test bed for nullsec sovereignty improvements!
-Send the message that we are not here to be GÇ£co-optedGÇ¥ by nullsec groups!
are hard to refute. Hans has researched the community and found the ideas that players want. ThatGÇÖs what mynxee was all about too. I mean if hans is going to be asked to go to a csm summit and the only thing dealing with low sec is FW will be crammed in with a bunch of other GÇ£little thingsGÇ¥ he will do something about it. Mynxee and csm 5 was pretty clearly told by ccp that they werenGÇÖt going to work on low sec or fw for 18 months. CSM5 and mynxee said well I think that is a horrible idea but eventurally determined that nothing they could do at that time would change ccp. So they just put that in the minutes and basically said good luck to the game. Many on the csm 5 saw the game was heading down a crap path so pretty much unsubbed. The players didnGÇÖt see it so clearly although there was some uproar at those minutes. However after several crap expansions what they predicted came true. Eve languished and players unsubbed. Now Mittani claims I am a GÇ£screecher.GÇ¥ Yet if we are to do some GÇ£realtalkGÇ¥ we will see that not only was failing to listen to csm 5 bad for the players it was bad for ccp. It was not until the situation became so dire that they had to layoff 20% of their staff worldwide before they finally realized they canGÇÖt just let eve sit. http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/19/ccp-layoffs-affect-20-of-worldwide-staff-company-focusing-on-e/Now just before this time Mittani was writing articles GÇ£in defense of incarna.GÇ¥ http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/61Why was he defending the worst expansion ever? Politics. If he scratches ccpGÇÖs back they will play up csm and make him look good. And that happened. Look at how happy csm and ccp were with eachother early on. CSM even played damage control at the emergency summit. Look at the meetings with mittens and ccp employees on youtube trying to reassure player the game isnGÇÖt going to ****. In exchange CCP was all happy to claim csm has done all sorts of wonderful things. The circle jerk they had going on alienated allot of players from both csm and ccp. It wasnGÇÖt until these bad decisions (that csm5 decried back in june 2010) took such a hold on ccpGÇÖs financials that no one could deny the stupidity any longer, that mittens finally admitted that ccp needs to work on EVE. When was that goonion address? Sept or October of 2011?? ThatGÇÖs over a year after csm 5 already called that one. Well better late than never. But really we donGÇÖt need politicians like that. And sadly no one in csm 6 ever stepped outside of mittenGÇÖs lockstep. We need people who like mynxee will listen to the players and if ccp chooses to ignore them will let the players know that in no uncertain terms. This is the best for the players and the best for ccp. IGÇÖm not saying Hans has done as much for eve as mynxee has but he is a newer player, than she is, and has already demonstrated he is willing to do that sort of work GÇô if he is given the chance.
screecher
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1037
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Posted - 2012.02.08 16:05:00 -
[95] - Quote
Just a reminder!!
All of you who are liking what you see here with this campaign - hit me up an EvEmail if you are a corporate leader, Fleet Commander, blogger, or other community leader. I want to get you on our mailing list.
This is a true grassroots effort, I won't be able to do this without those that support me spreading the word to their corpmates and fleet members. There will be no bean-counting, vote splitting, pre-polling, or meta-gaming here. Just some old-fashioned word-of-mouth popular support.
I am not currently spamming mail constantly, don't let that be a deterrent. It's just not necessary at this point in the campaign. We can worry about that as we get closer to the poll openings.
If you'd like to be on board for when the time comes to stump out the vote, please get in contact with myself or Shalee Lianne so I can get you into our circle. |
Andrea Griffin
102
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Posted - 2012.02.08 16:41:00 -
[96] - Quote
It's nice to see a candidate focused on issues of high-sec and low-sec, instead of the meta-gaming of nullsec.
One little nit-picky thing though: Removal of sentry guns at gates in lowsec will ensure a decrease in the population of lowsec. When not even frigates can travel with a modicum of safety from gate to gate, you'll inhibit mobility and make the place even more scary for high-sec residents.
If you want to encourage more population in lowsec, making travel far more dangerous is not the way to do it. It's not you guys who need to repair what has been broken, it's us. CCP Wrangler |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
521
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:32:00 -
[97] - Quote
I like your determination and apparent commitment to the game. And to be honest, Mitten's encouragement of your candidacy is a plus in your favor. You don't have to like the guy's play style to respect his intellect and knowledge of both people and the game.
Anyway, to that end, what I worry about is your determination to be anti-Mittens, anti-Seleene, anti-Trebor... etc. If you're so set against their opinions and play-styles, why should I trust that you'll work as a productive member on CSM7 rather than being the thorn in their side that you keep seeming to portray yourself as? Let's face it, they've got a lot more experience with EvE than you do, and their opinions might come from more experience than you think.
Even though some of your ideas are pretty far out there, as the pro-FW, pro-lowsec guy, you'd probably have my vote. But you're trying awfully hard to distance yourself from some others that will likely be on the CSM, and I'd much rather see a group that can work together than see it devolve into a contentious mess.
So my questions are thus...
When other members of CSM7 that play the game in discord with your world views on what is the right way to pvp disagree with your ideas about changes to high sec or lowsec rules and have alternate ideas, how will you react? And when it comes time to discuss sov warfare and super-cap re-balancing, will you have any more useful input than the naive "remove supers" response?
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
MinutemanKirk
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
1
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Posted - 2012.02.08 17:49:00 -
[98] - Quote
On behalf of Villore Accords [GMVA] and as head diplomat of the Quantum Cats Syndicate [QCATS], I am pleased to officially announce our endorsement of Hans for CSM.
With over 200 active members GMVA is currently the largest and most active alliance in the Gallente Militia and as such, feel strongly about many issues that Hans has made a priority. We have no desire to continue seeing large segments of the Eve player base continue to go unrepresented in the CSM.
Furthermore, I urge all Faction Warfare pilots, Low Sec dwellers, as well as any and all others who wish to see a more balanced council support Hans for CSM. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1236
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:19:00 -
[99] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Cearain wrote:Tsubutai wrote:You wrote a 20 page pdf with, like, 50 references to the mittani. Uh..... wow. Has anyone on csm 6 differentiated themselves from the mittani on any low sec issue? When it comes to low sec the mittani= csm6. And when it comes to low sec mittani has been fairly straight forward in saying he had nothing to offer. Since Mynxee was chair did anyone do anything for low sec? All of her momentum that she built for low sec and all of the work she did to try to get things going has been squandered on csm6. Hans is the person who has demonstrated he will pick up that thread and work with the low sec community just like he has with the fw community. If anything I know about tuskers is true, then Hans should get your vote. You may not like certain particular ideas (for example I think the gcc should be 3 minutes not 10) but the overall goals like this: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: -Send the message that we want more activity in lowsec, but not more blobbing!
-Send the message that we culturally disdain the drama that complicates 0.0 warfare!
-Send the message that we are not a test bed for nullsec sovereignty improvements!
-Send the message that we are not here to be GÇ£co-optedGÇ¥ by nullsec groups!
are hard to refute. Hans has researched the community and found the ideas that players want. ThatGÇÖs what mynxee was all about too. I mean if hans is going to be asked to go to a csm summit and the only thing dealing with low sec is FW will be crammed in with a bunch of other GÇ£little thingsGÇ¥ he will do something about it. Mynxee and csm 5 was pretty clearly told by ccp that they werenGÇÖt going to work on low sec or fw for 18 months. CSM5 and mynxee said well I think that is a horrible idea but eventurally determined that nothing they could do at that time would change ccp. So they just put that in the minutes and basically said good luck to the game. Many on the csm 5 saw the game was heading down a crap path so pretty much unsubbed. The players didnGÇÖt see it so clearly although there was some uproar at those minutes. However after several crap expansions what they predicted came true. Eve languished and players unsubbed. Now Mittani claims I am a GÇ£screecher.GÇ¥ Yet if we are to do some GÇ£realtalkGÇ¥ we will see that not only was failing to listen to csm 5 bad for the players it was bad for ccp. It was not until the situation became so dire that they had to layoff 20% of their staff worldwide before they finally realized they canGÇÖt just let eve sit. http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/19/ccp-layoffs-affect-20-of-worldwide-staff-company-focusing-on-e/Now just before this time Mittani was writing articles GÇ£in defense of incarna.GÇ¥ http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/61Why was he defending the worst expansion ever? Politics. If he scratches ccpGÇÖs back they will play up csm and make him look good. And that happened. Look at how happy csm and ccp were with eachother early on. CSM even played damage control at the emergency summit. Look at the meetings with mittens and ccp employees on youtube trying to reassure player the game isnGÇÖt going to ****. In exchange CCP was all happy to claim csm has done all sorts of wonderful things. The circle jerk they had going on alienated allot of players from both csm and ccp. It wasnGÇÖt until these bad decisions (that csm5 decried back in june 2010) took such a hold on ccpGÇÖs financials that no one could deny the stupidity any longer, that mittens finally admitted that ccp needs to work on EVE. When was that goonion address? Sept or October of 2011?? ThatGÇÖs over a year after csm 5 already called that one. Well better late than never. But really we donGÇÖt need politicians like that. And sadly no one in csm 6 ever stepped outside of mittenGÇÖs lockstep. We need people who like mynxee will listen to the players and if ccp chooses to ignore them will let the players know that in no uncertain terms. This is the best for the players and the best for ccp. IGÇÖm not saying Hans has done as much for eve as mynxee has but he is a newer player, than she is, and has already demonstrated he is willing to do that sort of work GÇô if he is given the chance. screecher
"screecher" or not, he makes some valid points. And to all intents and purposes you are CSM6 Mittani. Your policy of representing everything as a unity with you the figurehead assured that. Thats why when the final minutes arrived people weren't that impressed and some CSM6 people needed to desperately blog to show their differences from the collective message.
For me though it was too little too late. I'm bored of CSM 6 and would like to see a lot of new faces who won't play along in lockstep with you
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2980
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:22:00 -
[100] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:"screecher" or not, he makes some valid points. And to all intents and purposes you are CSM6 Mittani. Your policy of representing everything as a unity with you the figurehead assured that. Thats why when the final minutes arrived people weren't that impressed and some CSM6 people needed to desperately blog to show their differences from the collective message. For me though it was too little too late. I'm bored of CSM 6 and would like to see a lot of new faces who won't play along in lockstep with you
you roleplay a female prostitute and openly cybersex in eve- your opinion is not only meaningless, it's contemptible~ The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1236
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:25:00 -
[101] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:"screecher" or not, he makes some valid points. And to all intents and purposes you are CSM6 Mittani. Your policy of representing everything as a unity with you the figurehead assured that. Thats why when the final minutes arrived people weren't that impressed and some CSM6 people needed to desperately blog to show their differences from the collective message. For me though it was too little too late. I'm bored of CSM 6 and would like to see a lot of new faces who won't play along in lockstep with you you roleplay a female prostitute and openly cybersex in eve- your opinion is not only meaningless, it's contemptible~
Oh dear did I hurt your feelings Mittani? Perhaps you should rage a little more.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2980
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:26:00 -
[102] - Quote
it's easy for a roleplayer to mistake dismissive contempt for rage, i suppose The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1236
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:31:00 -
[103] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:it's easy for a roleplayer to mistake dismissive contempt for rage, i suppose
And quite easy for a lawyer disbarred for unprofessional conduct to find outlet through the medium of internet spaceships politics *shrugs* - roleplaying of all kinds is a useful safety valve in this messed up society of ours
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2980
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:33:00 -
[104] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:The Mittani wrote:it's easy for a roleplayer to mistake dismissive contempt for rage, i suppose And quite easy for a lawyer disbarred for unprofessional conduct to find outlet through the medium of internet spaceships politics *shrugs* - roleplaying of all kinds is a useful safety valve in this messed up society of ours
i'm licensed in maryland and dc and have never been disbarred or had disciplinary action against me
are you roleplaying again? The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2980
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:33:00 -
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i think you should stick to the brothel rp, it's more your style The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1236
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:38:00 -
[106] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The Mittani wrote:it's easy for a roleplayer to mistake dismissive contempt for rage, i suppose And quite easy for a lawyer disbarred for unprofessional conduct to find outlet through the medium of internet spaceships politics *shrugs* - roleplaying of all kinds is a useful safety valve in this messed up society of ours i'm licensed in maryland and dc and have never been disbarred or had disciplinary action against me are you roleplaying again?
I thought we were playing the "who can post untrue things on the internet to make the other person unironically rage-justify their existence" game?
Are you giving up already ?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
118
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:41:00 -
[107] - Quote
Thread hijack detected. Ask yourselves why. Hans for CSM! |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2982
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:42:00 -
[108] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:The Mittani wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The Mittani wrote:it's easy for a roleplayer to mistake dismissive contempt for rage, i suppose And quite easy for a lawyer disbarred for unprofessional conduct to find outlet through the medium of internet spaceships politics *shrugs* - roleplaying of all kinds is a useful safety valve in this messed up society of ours i'm licensed in maryland and dc and have never been disbarred or had disciplinary action against me are you roleplaying again? I thought we were playing the "who can post untrue things on the internet to make the other person unironically rage-justify their existence" game? Are you giving up already ?
how do you justify your brothel again, i missed that part amidst your backpedaling and spewing libellous squid-ink
since i posted the links to the evidence of you actually engaging in brothel rp in eve online as a ~courtesean~ and all we're in realtalk zone
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2982
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:43:00 -
[109] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:Thread hijack detected. Ask yourselves why. Hans for CSM!
hans is fine, jade just wants to try to be politically relevant this season and hide his sordid past
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1236
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:49:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The Mittani wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The Mittani wrote:it's easy for a roleplayer to mistake dismissive contempt for rage, i suppose And quite easy for a lawyer disbarred for unprofessional conduct to find outlet through the medium of internet spaceships politics *shrugs* - roleplaying of all kinds is a useful safety valve in this messed up society of ours i'm licensed in maryland and dc and have never been disbarred or had disciplinary action against me are you roleplaying again? I thought we were playing the "who can post untrue things on the internet to make the other person unironically rage-justify their existence" game? Are you giving up already ? how do you justify your brothel again, i missed that part amidst your backpedaling and spewing libellous squid-ink since i posted the links to the evidence of you actually engaging in brothel rp in eve online as a ~courtesean~ and all we're in realtalk zone
I think you are up your old tricks again there Mittani - linking to goonswarm resources and claiming they belong to other people - shocking. Almost like the number GoonFleet intelligence ran during my CSM run where you sent some rl mails to my advertising clients alleging I was an "internet prostitute" eh. What fun.
Still continue to flounder like the overstuffed chap you clearly are.
I think its useful for people to see you without your mask for a change.
-edit oops.
I missed your use of the word "libellous" lol. Are you going to sue me mr internet politician ... all the way from America? Will there be men at midnight with black bags and a warrent for extraordinary rendition.
Heh, campaign hasn't started and you are bellyaching about people saying unkind things you big girls blouse!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
164
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:49:00 -
[111] - Quote
wait so bizarro christian slater from start trek VI is an actual Lawyer?!?!? gevalt! now i am picturing you being the lawyer from The devils Advocate...
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2982
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:57:00 -
[112] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:
I think you are up your old tricks again there Mittani - linking to goonswarm resources and claiming they belong to other people - shocking. Almost like the number GoonFleet intelligence ran during my CSM run where you sent some rl mails to my advertising clients alleging I was an "internet prostitute" eh. What fun.
Still continue to flounder like the overstuffed chap you clearly are.
I think its useful for people to see you without your mask for a change.
transparent lies. the archives of La Maison (your star fraction RP brothel) are from 2004, long before goonswarm began. archive.org isn't a 'goonswarm resource' any more than chatsubo, the pre-inspiracy roleplaying forum for the RP community, is a ~goon conspiracy~.
you roleplayed a female courtesean in an eve online brothel. vOv
flail some more about it though, i enjoy watching you squirm. i came over the top with links, you came at me with lies and a backpedal about being disbarred. The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
195
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:57:00 -
[113] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:The Mittani wrote: Loud noises...
Could you both please take this outside? |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2982
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:00:00 -
[114] - Quote
Benilopax wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The Mittani wrote: Loud noises... Could you both please take this outside?
nah, i'm good, thanks The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1236
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:06:00 -
[115] - Quote
The Mittani wrote: transparent lies. the archives of La Maison (your star fraction RP brothel) are from 2004, long before goonswarm began. archive.org isn't a 'goonswarm resource' any more than chatsubo, the pre-inspiracy roleplaying forum for the RP community, is a ~goon conspiracy~.
Well since you would like to talk about some lies Mittani. How about the fact that the Star Fraction RP channel "la maison" was (and indeed is) a virtual nightclub rather than a brothel. Now while you can certainly despise roleplaying to please your own voters - the reality is that many players roleplay their characters in eve online. My character has always been roleplayed as a anarchist as yours has been roleplayed as well ... I guess some kind of cheapseats grand dictator type.
But I note you sidestepped the accusation of previous electorial misconduct done in the name of your Goonfleet intelligence department that crossed the boundaries into real-life *ahem lol* libel. Of course I didn't make any threats about it because that would have been silly and no court in the world would be that interested in internet spaceship players making up rubbish about each other - but thats politics baby.
Quote:flail some more about it though, i enjoy watching you squirm. i came over the top with links, you came at me with lies and a backpedal about being disbarred.
For a lawyer you are curiously inexact in both your reading and use of language. Perhaps you should review what I said.
Still if we both enjoy this dance by all means continue. I like to see you wound up and hot flushed and making transatlantic legal threats! It makes the campaign so exciting.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1246
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:09:00 -
[116] - Quote
Benilopax wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:The Mittani wrote: Loud noises... Could you both please take this outside?
You don't run away from a clown like Mittani Benilopax. Ultimately you will need to pour a pint of beer over his head at a bar and ask him what he intends to do about it.*
* when WiS is implemented some time in 2020.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2987
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:10:00 -
[117] - Quote
a bloo bloo bloo i'm a roleplaying babby who resents getting called out on his past behavior and imagines nonexistent legal threats then makes bad posts about them
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1246
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:12:00 -
[118] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:a bloo bloo bloo i'm a roleplaying babby who resents getting called out on his past behavior and imagines nonexistent legal threats then makes bad posts about them
Oh you mean you didn't froth about libellous comments then? Perhaps the word means something different in moron.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2987
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:16:00 -
[119] - Quote
it's libelous but that doesn't mean i'm going to sue, you nailed yourself up on that cross with gusto
i don't think me highlighting your lies and foolishness for all to see counts as 'frothing' either; this is like that image macro where the troll thinks the 'victim' is all aflutter rather than being casually dismissive
you pop up every election cycle posting about how your ideas matter, and it's important that we remind any newbies about your past and your tendency towards nonsense, this is p. much a public service
The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1246
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:20:00 -
[120] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:it's libelous but that doesn't mean i'm going to sue, you nailed yourself up on that cross with gusto
Am I supposed to be grateful that you are refraining from legal action on this occassion mr Mittani? Does that count as some kind of clusmy half threat now? I'm getting a bit confused really since on the one hand you seem to believe that internet spaceship politics is all about lying about people and talking nonsense in an attempt to get a "rise" out of them. But when served a passing measure of your own medicine somehow its libelous and out of bounds.
Are you the only one you believe is able to talk nonsense about rivals on forums then Mittani?
(just trying to understand your monomaniac mindset here)
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:24:00 -
[121] - Quote
that jade is getting all scared off an offhand comment that could be misinterpreted as a veiled legal threat if you were drunk on the internet is hilarious |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2987
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:25:00 -
[122] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:The Mittani wrote:it's libelous but that doesn't mean i'm going to sue, you nailed yourself up on that cross with gusto Am I supposed to be grateful that you are refraining from legal action on this occassion mr Mittani? Does that count as some kind of clusmy half threat now? I'm getting a bit confused really since on the one hand you seem to believe that internet spaceship politics is all about lying about people and talking nonsense in an attempt to get a "rise" out of them. But when served a passing measure of your own medicine somehow its libelous and out of bounds. Are you the only one you believe is able to talk nonsense about rivals on forums then Mittani? (just trying to understand your monomaniac mindset here)
i was highlighting your martyr complex
anyway, here's some more 'goon propaganda' from 2004 which you deny exists:
Quote:Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm.
...
Quote:Are you a lady of taste and refined sensuality? A wild amazon of fleeting moods and electric passions? A diva or temptress, a sinner or a saint? "La Maison" has openings for all, and we welcome applications from appropriately talented would-be hostesses from around the Eve star cluster.
The hours are as whim dictates, the service as one's heart does bid, the rewards as rich as risk may find when staked in peril in the game of love and fine desire.
All we ask is boundless wit and some small nod in the direction of civilised inteplay, (though fast betimes the opposite may serve as well to play in close poetic fine refrain.)
The wages? Ha, let noteriety and fame be wage enough and if the gentlemen (and noble ladies) yet lay tip upon the morn ... well, 'tis fitting thus and no harm done nor fast returned on repute, nor faith, nor wondrous name thereafter.
Applications thence in person to the ladies of the house. And luck and love the close reward of those who dare!
have fun with your brothel rp The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1246
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:25:00 -
[123] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:that jade is getting all scared off an offhand comment that could be misinterpreted as a veiled legal threat if you were drunk on the internet is hilarious
I don't think you really understand the word "scared" ...
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:25:00 -
[124] - Quote
i was unaware there was anyone, anywhere, scared of internet lawyers
being so scared of them you start reading in legal threats where there aren't even any is so hilariously far above that how do you even go outside without being afraid of being sued |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2987
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:27:00 -
[125] - Quote
note: when foolishly voted into power in the first CSM, jade attempted to use the chairmanship to mute anyone who spoke out against his idiocy
so a big believer in ~democracy~ and political commentary, but the moment he is challenged on his nonsense he resorts to coercion
i've never muted/silenced anyone on the csm in my tenure as chair, because i'm not a child The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2987
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:28:00 -
[126] - Quote
mittens 2012: no brothels, no muting The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2987
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:29:00 -
[127] - Quote
anyhoo i'm out of this thread, hans is a good egg, vote for him if you're a fw guy, ignore anything jade says about anything, ever The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:39:00 -
[128] - Quote
You got my votes Hans |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1246
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:40:00 -
[129] - Quote
The Mittani wrote: i was highlighting your martyr complex anyway, here's some more 'goon propaganda' from 2004 which you deny exists:
You should make a website with my all my roleplaying stuff listed by category and style and separated into convenient links everytime we have an argument about something different Mittani - if you do it really well you might be able to eel-out from whatever question you are trying to evade!
... wait.
Here's the thing. You are a pretty unimpressive character, a failed lawyer, a blathering numpty who managed to get into the CSM on the backs of your slave alliance members and spent your time there boasting about how amazing your communications skills were while talking developer corruption on the site that shall not be named.
While what actually happened is you told CCP Zinfandel that the Aurum Scopions would be great and that Microtransactions would fly.
Backpeddling from that fiasco you tried to take the credit for the player revolt of 2010 and brought back a Nevil Chamberlain-esq "peace in our time" white paper that Eve collectively laughed at.
Now the first moment you are criticised in public you are red faced and frothing at the mouth reaching internet links and sidestepping the point like some spastic animation in a cheap manga homage to a John Wu movie.
Lawyer-esq certainly. But not what Eve online needs right now. We need CSM's with integrity and vision and the ability to represent the player base. Not half-educated office boys with a handful of bar exams on garden leave due to mental health issues.
So my advise to you. Shut up and take the goon votes. I'm sure you'll get another free trip. Just don't get drunk with the MT business team this time and tell those idiots that what Eve online really needs is Ishukune scorpions for $.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
247
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:44:00 -
[130] - Quote
I'm sure reading facts about your csm6 and how it compared with Mynxee's csm 5 must seem unpleasantly screechy to you. But that doesn't really address the truth of what I said.
Despite your put downs to Mynxee and csm 5 they actually worked for the players.
Your csm 6 seemed to have very little connection to the players. It did seem to be connected to you at the hip though. Its going to be hard for them to claim otherwise although I think they will.
Hans will have nothing to gain from talking with you during this election. What are you going to do give him more advise to stop trying to get a broader vote than the faction war crowd?? Yeahright. Not everyone is as dumb as the people you typically tell what to do.
Thats not to say he won't work with you, if he is elected but you are correct you and hans pretty much have different constituants and therefore different issues.
CCP will know that as well. If Hans doesn't make it on CSM, then CCP will know they don't have the benefit of anyone who represents low sec. If hans makes it they will likely listen to him much more than you about low sec issues. And it will be vice versa about null sec.
Now that CCP is considering improving eve again its time to get people like Mynxee back on the csm. I think Hans fits that bill better than anyone else running.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
961
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:52:00 -
[131] - Quote
Off topic posts removed. I strongly recommend to stay on topic and polite from now on. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
332
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Posted - 2012.02.08 19:59:00 -
[132] - Quote
yeah, let hans get back to dodging my query on his npc corps stance lmfao @ the CSM chairman getting censored on the CSM forums |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1247
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Posted - 2012.02.08 20:03:00 -
[133] - Quote
Cearain wrote:Tsubutai wrote:You wrote a 20 page pdf with, like, 50 references to the mittani. Uh..... wow. Has anyone on csm 6 differentiated themselves from the mittani on any low sec issue? When it comes to low sec the mittani= csm6. And when it comes to low sec mittani has been fairly straight forward in saying he had nothing to offer. Since Mynxee was chair did anyone do anything for low sec? All of her momentum that she built for low sec and all of the work she did to try to get things going has been squandered on csm6. Hans is the person who has demonstrated he will pick up that thread and work with the low sec community just like he has with the fw community. If anything I know about tuskers is true, then Hans should get your vote. You may not like certain particular ideas (for example I think the gcc should be 3 minutes not 10) but the overall goals like this: Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: -Send the message that we want more activity in lowsec, but not more blobbing!
-Send the message that we culturally disdain the drama that complicates 0.0 warfare!
-Send the message that we are not a test bed for nullsec sovereignty improvements!
-Send the message that we are not here to be GÇ£co-optedGÇ¥ by nullsec groups!
are hard to refute. Hans has researched the community and found the ideas that players want. ThatGÇÖs what mynxee was all about too. I mean if hans is going to be asked to go to a csm summit and the only thing dealing with low sec is FW will be crammed in with a bunch of other GÇ£little thingsGÇ¥ he will do something about it. Mynxee and csm 5 was pretty clearly told by ccp that they werenGÇÖt going to work on low sec or fw for 18 months. CSM5 and mynxee said well I think that is a horrible idea but eventurally determined that nothing they could do at that time would change ccp. So they just put that in the minutes and basically said good luck to the game. Many on the csm 5 saw the game was heading down a crap path so pretty much unsubbed. The players didnGÇÖt see it so clearly although there was some uproar at those minutes. However after several crap expansions what they predicted came true. Eve languished and players unsubbed. Now Mittani claims I am a GÇ£screecher.GÇ¥ Yet if we are to do some GÇ£realtalkGÇ¥ we will see that not only was failing to listen to csm 5 bad for the players it was bad for ccp. It was not until the situation became so dire that they had to layoff 20% of their staff worldwide before they finally realized they canGÇÖt just let eve sit. http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/10/19/ccp-layoffs-affect-20-of-worldwide-staff-company-focusing-on-e/Now just before this time Mittani was writing articles GÇ£in defense of incarna.GÇ¥ http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/spymaster/61Why was he defending the worst expansion ever? Politics. If he scratches ccpGÇÖs back they will play up csm and make him look good. And that happened. Look at how happy csm and ccp were with eachother early on. CSM even played damage control at the emergency summit. Look at the meetings with mittens and ccp employees on youtube trying to reassure player the game isnGÇÖt going to ****. In exchange CCP was all happy to claim csm has done all sorts of wonderful things. The circle jerk they had going on alienated allot of players from both csm and ccp. It wasnGÇÖt until these bad decisions (that csm5 decried back in june 2010) took such a hold on ccpGÇÖs financials that no one could deny the stupidity any longer, that mittens finally admitted that ccp needs to work on EVE. When was that goonion address? Sept or October of 2011?? ThatGÇÖs over a year after csm 5 already called that one. Well better late than never. But really we donGÇÖt need politicians like that. And sadly no one in csm 6 ever stepped outside of mittenGÇÖs lockstep. We need people who like mynxee will listen to the players and if ccp chooses to ignore them will let the players know that in no uncertain terms. This is the best for the players and the best for ccp. IGÇÖm not saying Hans has done as much for eve as mynxee has but he is a newer player, than she is, and has already demonstrated he is willing to do that sort of work GÇô if he is given the chance.
I would just like to say this is a good post. I support what Cearain says here and I do believe that CSM 7 needs a break with the style of CSM 6. Eve Online needs representatives with more character, more ideas, and less monolithic dependence on nullsec voting blocs.
With all the focus on lockstep unity and a single figurehead over CSM6 I think the political process became degraded into something of a farce and it says a lot that the playerbase itself needed to hold CCP to account with the player revolt last summer while the CSM was still attempting to sell a nevil chamberlain style "peace in our time" message on the back of the televised joint PR session with CCP thousand dollar jeans.
Still lets look to the future and the election of some truly diverse representatives this year! I see no reason for despair at all. Lets get behind the good candidates and sweep out the old tired remnants of the IncarnaNeX-collaborationist regime
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
259
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Posted - 2012.02.08 20:29:00 -
[134] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:yeah, let hans get back to dodging my query on his npc corps stance
The Devs fear his power, they always fear our power and the censoring always comes. Plus they can't put some words in a nice photo and then show it to us, so why even have it exist at all. Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
None ofthe Above
11
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Posted - 2012.02.08 20:33:00 -
[135] - Quote
Hans,
You entering the race has probably destroyed my longshot chance of getting elected to the CSM as a protest vote.
I couldn't be happier.
You have my like(s) and possibly my vote(s). Not only because I'd like to see FW turn into something more interesting and you are the guy to spearhead that, but you conduct yourself in a manner deserving the post.
CSM6 Chair, The Mittani, dropped by to add fuel to your candidacy by some spectacularly boorish behavior. Near eliminating any last vestige of grudging respect for him I've had.
If there is any justice in this world, his spewing contempt for the voterbase as a campaign strategy will lead to his ousting from the Chairmanship if not the CSM itself. Maybe even step up efforts to attack and eliminate his corp from game (again), at least until they tire of him. Not holding my breath for justice in EVE, but it would be nice to see.
Good luck and hope to see you as CSM7 chair.
Tired of the current CSM? Vote for me, I am None ofthe Above!
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
249
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Posted - 2012.02.08 20:38:00 -
[136] - Quote
Indeed there was a difference between the CSM5 that mynxee ran and CSM6. Mittani drew the line in the sand himself when he denounced the CSM5 by saying this about csm 5:
"GǪ. the war against drooling hisec missionrunners, lowsec k/d pirates, and 'elite pvp' nullsec nonsovholders is only beginning; it is CSM time, and the current crop of idiots is looking to ruin everything we know about sovereign space despite having never lived there themselves.We are now uniting with our allies (and even our nominal foes) to ensure that the Nullsec Bloc seizes control over the CSM, Jump Bridges aren't removed from the game, and that CCP is forced to get a clueGǪGǪ. In this past year, CCP claims they have begun to 'listen' to the CSM, and what a time to listen. Most major nullsec alliances gave up on the CSM ages ago, and this year-long term is full of nobodies and carebears."
I think CSM5 with mynxee as chair (what the mittani refers to as a "crop of idiots") did a really good job trying to find out what players wanted and communicating with players what they were doing. CCP would have done well to listen to them but learned some lessons the hard way.
Like Mynxee who did a low sec idea scale and other round table disscussions, Hans is very much involved in the community and trying to understand where player consensus is so that it can be taken to ccp. CSM 6 I'm sorry to say has done very little to actually interact with players.
CSM 5 used to post the raw logs of what was discussed at meetings and who said what. Now we get these lame minutes that tell us very little about what the individuals on csm are actually promoting.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Azriel Geist
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.02.08 20:43:00 -
[137] - Quote
And my Axe!
My vote is with you, Hans. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
200
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Posted - 2012.02.08 21:42:00 -
[138] - Quote
Finally, someone who gets it.
You have my axe Heavy Missile Launcher IIs!
(And my Falcon, as well. Because those always come in handy.) Think of me as the Jester to your King Lear: Because annoying you is more fun than politicking with you. Because your predictable outrage makes you even more fun to play with. Because forum PvP = best PvP. Come to me, little puppet! |
Simyaldee
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
13
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Posted - 2012.02.08 21:52:00 -
[139] - Quote
Haven't really seen a Lotta Caldari Militia in here but I think i speak for most of us when I say that you have my vote here too Hans fight for the attention FW deserves. |
Dunbar Hulan
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
70
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:02:00 -
[140] - Quote
Well Hans, I wish you the best of luck, however, I hope you are ready for certain blocs to come after you in the political sense- flaming, trolling, digging up dirt and anything else that can be used to discredit you. You have my vote. -áThe Sideburns- Always Outnumbered- Never Outgunned. Manchester United - Paul Scholes= Genius |
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VCBee 2fast2furious
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:02:00 -
[141] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:I would just like to say this is a good post. I support what Cearain says here and I do believe that CSM 7 needs a break with the style of CSM 6. .
Perhaps they could take a leaf out of CSM 1's book and spend their entire term squabbling like 4 year olds and achieving nothing of any substance whatsoever?
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1062
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:12:00 -
[142] - Quote
Thank you for all the inquiries.....please remember I still have my 9-5 job, and a wife, and sleep to attend to....so allow sufficient time for me to get back to your questions.
When the weekend comes I can camp my computer 24/7 but in the mean time, no need to accuse me of ignoring anything. It just takes time for me to respond to each of you...and I'd always prefer to wait a bit and rather answer a question with a thorough response than toss out a half-ass answer.
That's just the way I'm trying to run this campaign, I appreciate your understanding!
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Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
117
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:19:00 -
[143] - Quote
I'll take a manager who has patience serving customers for 8 hours a day than an intelligent lawyer who is divisive and abrasive towards a playerbase that is not of his 'kind'. Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1062
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:20:00 -
[144] - Quote
Dunbar Hulan wrote:Well Hans, I wish you the best of luck, however, I hope you are ready for certain blocs to come after you in the political sense- flaming, trolling, digging up dirt and anything else that can be used to discredit you. You have my vote.
Oh, I'm ready. You don't spend this much time on the interwebz without seeing the worst of it. Thought it hasn't been aimed my direction yet, as the campaign grows with popular support (and it has already, rapidly) we will certainly see candidates that used to be "secure" in the race start to panic a little and go on the offensive.
It is to be expected. Just keep an eye out for when it comes, and simply realize that increased mudslinging from supporters of other campaigns is a good sign of success.
I also urge those that may be speaking on my behalf to please, please, please, keep your arguments rooted in reality. I will endeavor to do the same. If you are arguing with someone and they prove you wrong, and admit it. Don't let them make a fool of you. Fact check, post references, but don't be pulling things out of your asses. Let the other guys do that!
Thank you all for your support, I couldn't do this without all my friends here. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:28:00 -
[145] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Dunbar Hulan wrote:Well Hans, I wish you the best of luck, however, I hope you are ready for certain blocs to come after you in the political sense- flaming, trolling, digging up dirt and anything else that can be used to discredit you. You have my vote. Oh, I'm ready. You don't spend this much time on the interwebz without seeing the worst of it. Thought it hasn't been aimed my direction yet, as the campaign grows with popular support (and it has already, rapidly) we will certainly see candidates that used to be "secure" in the race start to panic a little and go on the offensive. It is to be expected. Just keep an eye out for when it comes, and simply realize that increased mudslinging from supporters of other campaigns is a good sign of success. I also urge those that may be speaking on my behalf to please, please, please, keep your arguments rooted in reality. I will endeavor to do the same. If you are arguing with someone and they prove you wrong, and admit it. Don't let them make a fool of you. Fact check, post references, but don't be pulling things out of your asses. Let the other guys do that! Thank you all for your support, I couldn't do this without all my friends here.
as long as you haven't run an internet space brothel you're probably ok on the dirt side |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
53
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Posted - 2012.02.08 22:52:00 -
[146] - Quote
Retar Aveymone wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Dunbar Hulan wrote:Well Hans, I wish you the best of luck, however, I hope you are ready for certain blocs to come after you in the political sense- flaming, trolling, digging up dirt and anything else that can be used to discredit you. You have my vote. Oh, I'm ready. You don't spend this much time on the interwebz without seeing the worst of it. Thought it hasn't been aimed my direction yet, as the campaign grows with popular support (and it has already, rapidly) we will certainly see candidates that used to be "secure" in the race start to panic a little and go on the offensive. It is to be expected. Just keep an eye out for when it comes, and simply realize that increased mudslinging from supporters of other campaigns is a good sign of success. I also urge those that may be speaking on my behalf to please, please, please, keep your arguments rooted in reality. I will endeavor to do the same. If you are arguing with someone and they prove you wrong, and admit it. Don't let them make a fool of you. Fact check, post references, but don't be pulling things out of your asses. Let the other guys do that! Thank you all for your support, I couldn't do this without all my friends here. as long as you haven't run an internet space brothel you're probably ok on the dirt side
****, Hans. We might have some cover-up work to do.
/sarcasm |
Leontyne Gaterau
The Scope Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.02.08 23:18:00 -
[147] - Quote
If the voting system used something sensible like STV I'd vote for you #2 or #3. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1251
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Posted - 2012.02.08 23:56:00 -
[148] - Quote
VCBee 2fast2furious wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:I would just like to say this is a good post. I support what Cearain says here and I do believe that CSM 7 needs a break with the style of CSM 6. . Perhaps they could take a leaf out of CSM 1's book and spend their entire term squabbling like 4 year olds and achieving nothing of any substance whatsoever?
That might well be the mythology that is now doing the rounds. But truthfully CSM1 achieved quite a lot which given the blank slate law of the jungle style introduction is still quite amazing. That said it was a fairly brutal turf war between nullsec blocs and independent players even then. And my big regret for CSM 1 was that the nullsec reps managed to block all progressive change to 0.0 mechanics purely because they wanted to protect their space empires.
And this really is the problem. I think nullsec reps are too dependent on their powerbloc (and placating the masses in that bloc) to be able to look at the game with any real sense of objectivity - its always about "whats good for me" rather than "whats good for the game as a whole" and since the essence of building 0.0 empires is about collecting as many advantages and roadblocks to anybody else taking whats yours away ... *shrugs* thats where the problems occur.
I hope we'll avoid this sort of thing with the next CSM and having a far more balanced group of delegates can only help.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jawmare
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
3
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Posted - 2012.02.09 00:08:00 -
[149] - Quote
You have my flashy red ballot. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1076
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Posted - 2012.02.09 00:10:00 -
[150] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:
****, Hans. We might have some cover-up work to do.
/sarcasm
I already talked to Shalee about it...she's burned the last of the holovids. |
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Parrette Perot
Eight Drake Limited
1
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Posted - 2012.02.09 00:58:00 -
[151] - Quote
As an original Eve Online beta player... that didn't play again until 2011 (and thus missed out on the long long evolution into the current state) , your attitude and ideas make sense to me judged from what the game was supposed to achieve.
So sure I'll vote for ya! |
Galatica789
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
15
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Posted - 2012.02.09 01:54:00 -
[152] - Quote
Have my vote (s) |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1095
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Posted - 2012.02.09 02:58:00 -
[153] - Quote
ceyriot wrote:Yeah, nice work. I'm impressed, and certainly will be voting for you!
Also, have ever played Mass Effect, with their resource extractor? It's more of finding the big patch on a planet and mining it instead of just pointing at a planet and going.
Conceptually, I love the idea. Mining could be more fun like this. I would certainly be bored less!
I'm much more pragmatic though, I think we've all learned the lesson following Incarna that ambitious additions to the game run the risk of getting bogged down developmentally.
Something like this would require a huge amount of art team work, UI, balancing, and would dramatically affect the economy if it even slightly changed the average minerals / hour that miners can make in a given area of space.
I'd file this into a category of "once everything else that's simpler gets caught up" and see if there's more achievable solutions to the miner-boredom problem.
You'll soon see that this is my thought process when discussing "what if" features. I think the programming feasability of a solution must be a criteria when evaluating whether its worth promoting, because every commitment to building new code from scratch (which this would require) eats up a higher proportion of resources than adjustments to existing systems, and so those types of projects must be selected very judiciously and be of utmost importance.
That's not at all to say mining wouldn't be worth it, I'm just saying that there are a lot of areas of space to consider - and I don't want future expansions to be released such that some players continually feel left out. Every expansion should have a little something for everyone, even if a big push is made on one project in particular.
With so much backlogged work to complete on so many critical game play mechanics, I think CCP should save themselves time and effort by making adjustments whenever possible (like with Faction Warfare, for example) and not overly complicate an overhaul if they could use those artists and programmers on something that DOES need totally new stuff drawn up (Dead Horse POS or 0.0 Sovereignty).
I really hope they are getting this message in time, and get in touch with the community, before they trudge forward into another Incarna debacle where go way overboard trying to give the players something they weren't really asking for.
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Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
724
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Posted - 2012.02.09 03:01:00 -
[154] - Quote
I support Hans Jagerblitzen has the high-sec candidate of choice for CSM7. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Lord Kazuhiro
Yuengling Technologies
0
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Posted - 2012.02.09 03:09:00 -
[155] - Quote
First real candidate I've liked running for CSM. You have all 14 of my votes sir. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
252
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Posted - 2012.02.09 03:12:00 -
[156] - Quote
VCBee 2fast2furious wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:I would just like to say this is a good post. I support what Cearain says here and I do believe that CSM 7 needs a break with the style of CSM 6. . Perhaps they could take a leaf out of CSM 1's book and spend their entire term squabbling like 4 year olds and achieving nothing of any substance whatsoever?
Is someone from CSM 1 running for CSM 7?
If not then arguing about what CSM1 did or didn't do is completely irrelevant to the question whether hans should get your vote for csm 7 - and therefore this thread.
But then again, you probably knew that. You just wanted to divert attention from mittani and company on csm 6, didn't you? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Abyss Azizora
Yuengling Technologies
0
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Posted - 2012.02.09 03:18:00 -
[157] - Quote
Got my vote as well. We badly need an advocate for Faction Warfare.
Edit: Hey Lord, seems we have the candidate in mind. |
Seyveaux Cheval
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.02.09 03:30:00 -
[158] - Quote
i dont like this guy dont vote for him |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1098
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Posted - 2012.02.09 03:39:00 -
[159] - Quote
Xorv wrote:Read your platform Hans, you're very passionate about EVE and will be a great representative for the existing FW crowd and other current Low sec residents. However, I'm not part of that constituency, and actually really liked what Selene had to say about NPC interaction, and was less than thrilled by your hostility to EVE's real Piracy (for profit PvP) in your platform.
I have no qualms about piracy for profit at all. That's the point right? Someone's gonna shank one of my clones for saying this, but pirate corps tend to be more experienced and professional than Faction Warfare corps. If you don't pwn, you don't eat. There is a point to having a blob, because you need an efficient loot haul to make up for the fact you're not missioning.
It's a working-class form of PvP I myself am too lazy for, but it makes for stronger and more talented pilots in the long run, so I have a strong respect for pirate pilots. I myself am pretty impatient with low sec PvP frequency at the moment. I'm not into "duck-hunting" style PvP, so if there isn't action around, I do my carebear stuff instead. With highsec piracy, there's a lot of stalking involved for a quick kill, and that also just doesn't jive with my attention span. The drawback is that I'm not as good at PvP as others of you that do this day after day. Many pilots younger than I are the true "hot shots" in my corp, cause they sit out there and work for it.
This impatience, of course, is my most selfish motivation for this campaign. I don't remember if I mentioned it in my document or not, but I have ADHD, and am comfortable sharing that. I just want to log on and shoot players, not NPC's, and I don't want to have to sit an hour in space to do that. There's a lot of filler activities in EvE that I use to pass the time between fleet ops and keep it fun (cooking up boosters, for example).
I'm not hostile to piracy at all as a concept, I just think it should be most challenging the deeper you go into highsec. That's the point of "sec", right? I think there's balancing work to be done, because there needs to be areas of space that cater to those of different tastes. I don't know if it came off clear enough in the document, but I'm fine with some areas of highsec being a little more pirate-friendly, if we had shifts in others to make it less of a headache for newer players.
Piracy should be possible in every area of space. If you are in a spaceship in space, any other spaceship should be allowed to lock and kill you. Anywhere. Without exception. I have no problem taking a firm campaign stance on this.
But there should be consequences. And tough ones, in the highest security areas. If you want to do the kind of PvP you'll be called a griefer for, you should be ones most challenged by the mechanics.
I won't pretend to know all the answers yet, there's a lot of good ideas being tossed around. At this point, its easiest to share my core principles, because those are not as subject to change as my advocacy of one particular change or another regarding CONCORD or Crimewatch. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1098
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Posted - 2012.02.09 03:42:00 -
[160] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:I support Hans Jagerblitzen has the high-sec candidate of choice for CSM7.
I am honored. Thank you!
Seyveaux Cheval wrote:i dont like this guy dont vote for him
Well, at least you guys are predictable. I'll give you that. |
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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution
35
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Posted - 2012.02.09 04:31:00 -
[161] - Quote
Hiw Freecrest wrote:all for you, i don't want to play evegoon
i thought this was minmatar online? (meaning ships) |
Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation
4
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Posted - 2012.02.09 04:59:00 -
[162] - Quote
I like your fire Hans. As you state in your blog though: "I have no problem admitting I'm feeling pretty spent despite this being my very first blog entry. It's been nerve-wracking and taken an incredible amount of my free time and emotional energy."
If you are going to run against the likes of Mittens, and you are, as well as, should you win a seat on this CSM yet find yourself petered out already then I fear you are already a lost cause.
Succumbing to the pressure and work load, and this is just the very beginning mind you, shows that you are a premature ejaculator. If you wish to garner my three votes you need to show that you can hold out longer for more than just the first kiss. |
Marlakh
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
58
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Posted - 2012.02.09 05:03:00 -
[163] - Quote
As an Ammatar / Amarrian loyalist who left service in FW disgusted with its present state of affairs, you have my two votes.
I like your ideas, your systematic approach to harnessing others' feedback to provide solutions to FW and high/low sec issues, and your passion that clearly shows through. That, and our common experience with the games you played, makes me think you'll best represent my take on what needs to be improved.
Good luck and success for your campaign, honored foe! :)
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Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
492
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Posted - 2012.02.09 05:03:00 -
[164] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Seyveaux Cheval wrote:i dont like this guy dont vote for him Well, at least you guys are predictable. I'll give you that.
Everyone else in this thread is also a Goon alt
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
289
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Posted - 2012.02.09 05:32:00 -
[165] - Quote
hey are you really german? |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
53
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Posted - 2012.02.09 06:41:00 -
[166] - Quote
Harrigan VonStudly wrote:I like your fire Hans. As you state in your blog though: "I have no problem admitting I'm feeling pretty spent despite this being my very first blog entry. It's been nerve-wracking and taken an incredible amount of my free time and emotional energy."
If you are going to run against the likes of Mittens, and you are, as well as, should you win a seat on this CSM yet find yourself petered out already then I fear you are already a lost cause.
Succumbing to the pressure and work load, and this is just the very beginning mind you, shows that you are a premature ejaculator. If you wish to garner my three votes you need to show that you can hold out longer for more than just the first kiss.
I won't pretend to speak for Hans, but he has been unofficially campaigning for the past year: rallying the FW community, networking with empire dwellers about what needs to be fixed, talking to CSM6 about how to fix FW and Lowsec, etc.
I think by that statement you quoted there, he was simply saying he was going to take a few days to see the responses to his Campaign announcement and use that time to assess the situation, figure out what issues he still needs to address, etc etc.
I know Hans and by no means is writing a document and single blog-post going to "tire him out" after seeing him manage threadnaughts on the forums, diplomatic crises within the militia, network with the thousands if cliques that make up the FW community and, perhaps most incredibly, deal with his boorish and asinine corpmates every day. <3 |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
141
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Posted - 2012.02.09 06:53:00 -
[167] - Quote
Harrigan VonStudly wrote:I like your fire Hans. As you state in your blog though: "I have no problem admitting I'm feeling pretty spent despite this being my very first blog entry. It's been nerve-wracking and taken an incredible amount of my free time and emotional energy."
If you are going to run against the likes of Mittens, and you are, as well as, should you win a seat on this CSM yet find yourself petered out already then I fear you are already a lost cause.
Succumbing to the pressure and work load, and this is just the very beginning mind you, shows that you are a premature ejaculator. If you wish to garner my three votes you need to show that you can hold out longer for more than just the first kiss.
He has been posting on the forums with myself trying to put a fire up CCP's backside ever since they missed the FW round table last year.
In addition, he has put time and effort into touching base with people in FW, high sec and even the low sec pirates and sounding them out. Combine this with the time it takes to put together a document of the size and detail that his campaign brief contains, and you have to understand, this does take some doing. I think many people will admit this is not a sprint. Hans is in it for the long haul. Just give him the time to assess the reaction to his campaign launch. Whilst many have only started their campaign in the last few days, unofficially Hans has been doing it since last year.
Mfume Apocal wrote:hey are you really german? I believe he is actually from the North America in real life (trying to remember if US or Canada). I was asking the same thing the other day...
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Vote Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7 |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
54
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Posted - 2012.02.09 07:06:00 -
[168] - Quote
Har Harrison wrote:Mfume Apocal wrote:hey are you really german? I believe he is actually from the North America in real life (trying to remember if US or Canada). I was asking the same thing the other day...
He is American. |
Angelus Ryan
Black Lotus Heavy Industries Ethereal Dawn
1
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Posted - 2012.02.09 07:45:00 -
[169] - Quote
Andrea Griffin wrote:It's nice to see a candidate focused on issues of high-sec and low-sec, instead of the meta-gaming of nullsec.
One little nit-picky thing though: Removal of sentry guns at gates in lowsec will ensure a decrease in the population of lowsec. When not even frigates can travel with a modicum of safety from gate to gate, you'll inhibit mobility and make the place even more scary for high-sec residents.
If you want to encourage more population in lowsec, making travel far more dangerous is not the way to do it.
First of all, a disclaimer: I am terribad in PvP and I am not a FW pilot. I am an occasional solo and very small gang (2-4 ships) PvP pilot who flies small ships. But, I do have an opinion and a vote, and I want to get what I vote for.
Hans, please note the quoted "little" nitpick. After reading all 20 pages of your manifesto, this was the only thing that stood out to me as not being a good idea.
Actually, I don't mind the removal of sentries to allow frigate furballs on gates/stations - This is a good thing. It is the insta-frig-locking gang on the gate which theoretically ruins the fun for me (currently you need far more effort to nab a frig on a gate, providing a small amount of safety for a frig scout going around). I vehemently oppose any sort of mechanic where it is not possible to avoid being killed, regardless of what you do, and which (at the very least) does not come with great(er) material cost. Getting outsmarted and outpiloted is one thing, but if even a frigate scout (and no, you shouldn't have to fly a covops just to take a peek next door. If this will be the case, then what will draw new players and casual non-FW PvPers? What will become of the solo pilot?) cannot move around freely enough to let you know what is out there, then we have a problem.
So if we do away with the sentries, we need something to avoid the frig pilot getting shafted. Maybe something like having the jump cloak drop 2 seconds after we start moving? You can still catch a frig if you really want to (but it is possible to make a frig that will align faster than this, which is not necessarily bad as it does take some effort). Gatecamps still work on anything bigger and frigs can now fight on gates/stations. I see a win-win here.
So, while I like your manifesto and I am quite prepared to vote for you: Before I commit my vote to you, I would like your input on this. |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
www.shipsofeve.com
225
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Posted - 2012.02.09 08:40:00 -
[170] - Quote
Well written and I must admit that it not only caused my chest to swell but also to make me feel a little guilty ;) Sadly my votes are all for Meissa but I wish you luck.
Regards, T'amber
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1113
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Posted - 2012.02.09 09:05:00 -
[171] - Quote
Harrigan VonStudly wrote:I like your fire Hans. As you state in your blog though: "I have no problem admitting I'm feeling pretty spent despite this being my very first blog entry. It's been nerve-wracking and taken an incredible amount of my free time and emotional energy."
If you are going to run against the likes of Mittens, and you are, as well as, should you win a seat on this CSM yet find yourself petered out already then I fear you are already a lost cause.
Succumbing to the pressure and work load, and this is just the very beginning mind you, shows that you are a premature ejaculator. If you wish to garner my three votes you need to show that you can hold out longer for more than just the first kiss.
I assure you I have plenty of stamina.
Turns out I had more time to myself to keep up with people than I thought I would. Hence, my postings.
It wasn't as much about what I can handle, I was just warning the community that if I'm slow to respond, assume that I'm away taking care of my family and job, which I don't consider "succumbing to the pressure and work load". That's just me doing what I need to do. I won't apologize for that, but I am happy to explain it at least. Cause its true.
Have faith! We've only just begun, I'm not going anywhere.... |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1113
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Posted - 2012.02.09 09:18:00 -
[172] - Quote
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon wrote:Well written and I must admit that it not only caused my chest to swell but also to make me feel a little guilty ;) Sadly my votes are all for Meissa but I wish you luck.
Regards, T'amber
No hard feelings! I want people to vote for who they believe in. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
391
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Posted - 2012.02.09 09:42:00 -
[173] - Quote
Greetings Hans Jagerblitzen,
I have spent some time reading through some of the other potential CSM 7 candidate threads and have not been convinced or impressed in any way by most of their statements (or lack of). The only thread which I considered decent was by Malcanis on his Manifesto for highsec. He has however stated that he is not running for a CSM seat.
I am edging towards perhaps voting for you, Hans. I just have one question to ask you, if you do not mind. I know you have read Malcanis' Manifesto on Highsec. What is your take on it, summarised in a single paragraph ? I know, it's asking you to put it all very simplistically, it is afterall a well-defined and descriptive Manifesto.
Thank you. o/
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
3
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Posted - 2012.02.09 10:19:00 -
[174] - Quote
o7 After reading through the applications of the other serious candidates I come to the conclusion that low sec and it-¦s residents would be represented pretty well by You... You got my Vote |
ceyriot
Amarrian Retribution
1
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Posted - 2012.02.09 10:21:00 -
[175] - Quote
I think another cool addition would be a bar like incursion so you know the state of the system and much is needed to be secured. |
Deathwing Malevolent
Energy Core 2 V.I.R.A.L.
1
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Posted - 2012.02.09 11:03:00 -
[176] - Quote
+1
I approve |
Veriscolor
Laurentson INC StructureDamage
0
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Posted - 2012.02.09 11:23:00 -
[177] - Quote
As a fairly inexperienced player, I am impressed with the issues that you have prioritised, in particular the creation of a distinction between 'weekend warriors' and 'career criminals' in order to allow for casual players who may be interested in PvP, such as myself, to engage in some fun killing of others in a space which facilitates such activities, and not have to worry so much about returning to my hi-sec home.
This is the most sober and leveled platform I've seen so far, and I would e happy to give you my vote based on what I have seen here. |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
142
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Posted - 2012.02.09 11:52:00 -
[178] - Quote
I thought this was interesting
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/02/08/freebooted-csm7-elections-the-call-of-the-wild/
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Vote Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7 |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
523
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Posted - 2012.02.09 12:24:00 -
[179] - Quote
War Kitten wrote: I like your determination and apparent commitment to the game. And to be honest, Mitten's encouragement of your candidacy is a plus in your favor. You don't have to like the guy's play style to respect his intellect and knowledge of both people and the game.
Anyway, to that end, what I worry about is your determination to be anti-Mittens, anti-Seleene, anti-Trebor... etc. If you're so set against their opinions and play-styles, why should I trust that you'll work as a productive member on CSM7 rather than being the thorn in their side that you keep seeming to portray yourself as? Let's face it, they've got a lot more experience with EvE than you do, and their opinions might come from more experience than you think.
Even though some of your ideas are pretty far out there, as the pro-FW, pro-lowsec guy, you'd probably have my vote. But you're trying awfully hard to distance yourself from some others that will likely be on the CSM, and I'd much rather see a group that can work together than see it devolve into a contentious mess.
So my questions are thus...
When other members of CSM7 that play the game in discord with your world views on what is the right way to pvp disagree with your ideas about changes to high sec or lowsec rules and have alternate ideas, how will you react? And when it comes time to discuss sov warfare and super-cap re-balancing, will you have any more useful input than the naive "remove supers" response?
Reposting my questions and waiting patiently. This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Catholic School for Boys EXPLO. KINETIK und ein wenig THERMAL
3
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Posted - 2012.02.09 13:24:00 -
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first of all, nice platform hans, i like it. mostly. but it has earned you my like so far and i'm inclined to give you my vote too. its good to see someone has the will do represent "us" properly.
i can judge anything concerning fw, because i never took part in it. but changes in the security of high and low sec got my attention. -> after some "fleshing out" definitely worth a shot. to be honest i'd like to get my hands dirty in low sec in some fun fights, but it is quite easy to loose the permission to enter high sec again after some little "brawlings" and since im living on stuff taking place in high sec, this is kind of a barrier. your threshold of sec standing loss (maybe put it around -1 or something?) - as long as you keep it civil, eg only shooting ships and no pods, only be "bad" while in low sec, or to some degree lower high sec - would make low sec quite appealing to me^^ though i guess will die horribly the first times...
i also welcomed your thoughts about making mining (or industry for that matter) more interessting and dynamic. while wildly moving roids sound like fun,but it will only be fun for bigger mining fleets with a logistic support ( means at least to accounts) and make it more difficult for the solitary miner who has to rely on can mining. not every one wants to have to accounts for mining and you can not always expect to have an orca corpmate around. the have rl's too .. ^^
but adding more variety to ore yields or having barren roids mixed in, tweak mining mechanics (ice mining.... b+ñ+ñh) and the often asked for "real" belts, which make a full circles around planets (could be managed on a "roids per grid" base) sure would spicing it up and encourage more moving around. (but so far no completly new ideas.. ^^)
i have one question: whats your position to the new balancing efforts which started with crucible. do you see them finished or are you going to urge ccp to go deeper into that topic? do you see the 4 races as on par?
and, as i hope some constructive input: i think you should communicate, that you have something to offer for the "0.0 bloc" too. (if you really do that means) i see no reason why 0.0 and empire could not be developed in parallel and still develop individually. Once they have the hands full maintaining and expanding their little states, they will have less time argueing empire should become like 0.0 |
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Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2012.02.09 13:38:00 -
[181] - Quote
question....where do you actually do the voting? |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
6
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Posted - 2012.02.09 15:59:00 -
[182] - Quote
Good question now that they revamped the frontpage .. guess there will be a 'Big Ass ButtonGäó' linked ad nauseum when voting starts .. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
118
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Posted - 2012.02.09 16:48:00 -
[183] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:War Kitten wrote: When other members of CSM7 that play the game in discord with your world views on what is the right way to pvp disagree with your ideas about changes to high sec or lowsec rules and have alternate ideas, how will you react? And when it comes time to discuss sov warfare and super-cap re-balancing, will you have any more useful input than the naive "remove supers" response?
Reposting my questions and waiting patiently. Aren't the questions:
1) "How will CCP react to the feedback given from various members of the CSM about changes to high sec or lowsec rules."
2) "Will CCP be more receptive to proposals for changes in game play by a monolithic CSM, or by a diverse CSM that has representatives from all parts of the game?"
w.r.t. Sov Warfare . Mittani admitted in his thread that there is no consensus from the 0.0 bloc CSM on how to implement changes. Wouldn't a different perspective be helpful? Maybe not. Maybe we should rely on the same monolithic CSM to not help solve this issue again in 2012.
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Zagam
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
497
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:02:00 -
[184] - Quote
So basically... your entire platform is everything that doesn't involve nullsec... and the statement "I'm not The Mittani, and I'm not a goon".
Very nice PDF document, though. |
Omoprgos
Gonfanier
0
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:09:00 -
[185] - Quote
I support Hans for CSM. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
524
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:15:00 -
[186] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote:War Kitten wrote:War Kitten wrote: When other members of CSM7 that play the game in discord with your world views on what is the right way to pvp disagree with your ideas about changes to high sec or lowsec rules and have alternate ideas, how will you react? And when it comes time to discuss sov warfare and super-cap re-balancing, will you have any more useful input than the naive "remove supers" response?
Reposting my questions and waiting patiently. Aren't the questions: 1) "How will CCP react to the feedback given from various members of the CSM about changes to high sec or lowsec rules." 2) "Will CCP be more receptive to proposals for changes in game play by a monolithic CSM, or by a diverse CSM that has representatives from all parts of the game?" w.r.t. Sov Warfare . Mittani admitted in his thread that there is no consensus from the 0.0 bloc CSM on how to implement changes. Wouldn't a different perspective be helpful? Maybe not. Maybe we should rely on the same monolithic CSM to not help solve this issue again in 2012.
No, those aren't my questions.
I have a pretty good feel for how CCP reacts to feedback. I want to know how well Hans will work out in a diverse group that he may be painting as an enemy.
I understand he has to bolster his support amongst the flock of Mittani haters that will carry him to a CSM seat. But I'm not in that group. I want to know whether casting my votes for him will be helping or hurting the CSM overall.
Let's face it, the general public elected Ankhestamapoloopy, or whatever her name was, because she made lots of good-sounding noise about rallying around her banner to save FW and lowsec and everything else empire. And she was exactly the utter failure I figured she would be.
Let's not repeat that mistake, mmm'kay? Let me ask my questions, you ask yours.
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
8
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:29:00 -
[187] - Quote
Your platform document is really quite poor.
I have read it and I don't really understand why I want you on the CSM instead of Trebor or Prom.
I know you're saying "I am the FW guy" but I read the whole thing and I mostly got "I am the macro miner guy". |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
238
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Posted - 2012.02.09 18:05:00 -
[188] - Quote
After some thought, I'm gonna do with this election pretty the same i do in RL elections, and will vote the guy i don't dislike against the guy I loathe, because the guy i like hasn't got a real chance.
So Hans, you will get my vote. Good luck opposing nullsec's attempts to dictate everybody's gameplay. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1128
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Posted - 2012.02.09 18:19:00 -
[189] - Quote
Excellent questions guys, I'll have a nice chunk of time tonight to catch up with each of you.
I'll keep replying in the order I get inquiries, and I'll mail you once I've posted my response so that you can check it out, without having to wait and check every few hours.
EDIT - Also huge thanks to those that answer the easy stuff for me (like whether I am German), much appreciated. I'll only step in and correct someone if one of my supporters has made a mistake. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
253
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Posted - 2012.02.09 18:22:00 -
[190] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:War Kitten wrote: So my questions are thus...
When other members of CSM7 that play the game in discord with your world views on what is the right way to pvp disagree with your ideas about changes to high sec or lowsec rules and have alternate ideas, how will you react?
Reposting my questions and waiting patiently.
Hans I can answer this based on what I have seen hans actually do - which is probably more important than what any politician claims they will do. If someone disagrees with him and has alternate ideas he first listens to what they are saying and tries to make sure he understands what they are saying. I have seen this time and again.
Once he understands what they are saying then his reaction will be dependant on what is said. Its not like he has the same reaction to every idea that is different than his own some ideas are good some are bad. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Sofia Wolf
Ubuntu Inc. Lonely Maple Conglomeration
4
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Posted - 2012.02.09 18:34:00 -
[191] - Quote
What is your position on following issues of high sec warfare:
A) Neutral orcas in high sec wars http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Neutral_orcas_in_high_sec_wars_%28CSM%29
B) Neutral remote repers not getting aggression timer when remote repairing targets engaged in combat making them near invulnerable when positioned near stations.
Do you think those are problems CCP should address? If yes what changes to mechanic would you advocate and what level of priority would you put on those changes? |
Shootin' Star
The Fancy Hats Corporation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:54:00 -
[192] - Quote
Apologies for the brevity of this - the forum ate the original positing, which I had spent some time on and posted simply the quote. I will be re-editing momentarily with proper content. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1134
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Posted - 2012.02.09 20:21:00 -
[193] - Quote
Shootin' Star wrote: I welcome your answers and clarification upon these topics, and the opportunity to further respond.
And I welcome the criticism! This is indeed a complicated issue in general, I'll get back to you tonight, after I've answered a couple earlier questions and had some time to read up on your blog.
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Qenza
Gonfanier
0
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Posted - 2012.02.09 21:19:00 -
[194] - Quote
Go blitz'em, Hans!
Even though you are a former/future sl...err, employee of the Amarr Empire:P |
Darrow Hill
Vodka and Vice
28
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Posted - 2012.02.09 22:51:00 -
[195] - Quote
Great platform document.
+1
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
82
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Posted - 2012.02.09 23:25:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I have no qualms about piracy for profit at all. That's the point right? Someone's gonna shank one of my clones for saying this, but pirate corps tend to be more experienced and professional than Faction Warfare corps. If you don't pwn, you don't eat. There is a point to having a blob, because you need an efficient loot haul to make up for the fact you're not missioning.
Thanks for your reply Hans.
The problem i have is that your statement about Piracy doesn't really match with some of your statements in your PDF platform. I suspect it may be due in part to differing definitions of piracy. It's my opinion that the outlaw players in Lowsec while no doubt great combat pilots and fierce PvPers are generally not Pirates. Most of the real Pirates of EVE are found in High Sec, some of the better known examples being the Privateers, Suddenly Ninjas/TEARS, Skunkworks among many others.
Here's what you said:
Quote:I'm going to give you my honest opinion here, though it will undoubtedly **** a few people off. I consider predatory high sec war declarations to be one of the cheapest forms of PvP available in the game. Truly hardcore PvP pilots move to low sec or null sec and seek out armed, skilled opponents who present a genuine challenge in return. Picking on a weaker corp and attacking them when you know they cannot fight back is some pretty unimpressive business. It's not worth glorifying, and I refuse to call this kind of non-consensual PvP one of the GÇ£defining features of EvEGÇ¥because there's just so many cooler things you can do in the sandbox.
What do you think Piracy is? Pirates historically, currently, and fictionally do not generally go looking for the toughest opponent to prove themselves, gain imagined honor, and glory. They look for the vulnerable and lucrative targets. This is Piracy, this is PvP for profit, and this is predatory PvP. Just like any real predator they look for prey, the challenge is in the hunt and if successful the end result is an easy kill not a battle. Pirates / predators do not seek to fight armed and dangerous opponents and only do so when such a conflict can't be avoided or the possible gains greatly outweigh the risks.
You also went on to list possible means for Corps to avoid Wardecs:
Quote:I have heard several, straightforward approaches to solving this issue, all of which have merit and are worth serious consideration. One approach would be to enable victimized corporations to simply bribe CONCORD, driving up the cost of war to the declaring corp. This would give true carebear corporations the opportunity to spend the wealth they accumulate to make bothering them much more costly. War fees could also simply rise each week if not declared mutual, making prolonged predatory harassment economically unsustainable.
All this is very troubling Hans, unless it's matched by moving all valuable PvE content out of High Sec where Wardecs and suicide ganks are not required.
One last point. You also praise Incursions:
Quote:beloved endgame PvE content in the form of incursions
"Engame PvE content" Since when has a Sandbox MMO had endgame PvE content? If you're serious about supporting EVE as a Sandbox PvP MMORPG then you would wish to either radically change High Sec Incursions or remove it from the game altogether. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
341
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Posted - 2012.02.09 23:39:00 -
[197] - Quote
Xorv wrote:You also went on to list possible means for Corps to avoid Wardecs: Quote:I have heard several, straightforward approaches to solving this issue, all of which have merit and are worth serious consideration. One approach would be to enable victimized corporations to simply bribe CONCORD, driving up the cost of war to the declaring corp. This would give true carebear corporations the opportunity to spend the wealth they accumulate to make bothering them much more costly. War fees could also simply rise each week if not declared mutual, making prolonged predatory harassment economically unsustainable. All this is very troubling Hans, unless it's matched by moving all valuable PvE content out of High Sec where Wardecs and suicide ganks are not required. . Not to mention it's incredibly harsh on newbies and highsec starter corps full of inexperienced players. Under Hans' system, the ultra-wealthy targets never have to deal with PvP, because all the griefer/PvP targets will focus their efforts on blasting away the younger corps who can't cough up the cash for the 'CONCORD bribe'. Even moreso I mean because NPC corps will still be available. Under the current system, people can cowardly exploit into a decshield regardless of isk or SP - changing it so only poor players have to worry about the cost of nonconsensual PvP isn't a better solution imho. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
254
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Posted - 2012.02.09 23:47:00 -
[198] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Xorv wrote:You also went on to list possible means for Corps to avoid Wardecs: Quote:I have heard several, straightforward approaches to solving this issue, all of which have merit and are worth serious consideration. One approach would be to enable victimized corporations to simply bribe CONCORD, driving up the cost of war to the declaring corp. This would give true carebear corporations the opportunity to spend the wealth they accumulate to make bothering them much more costly. War fees could also simply rise each week if not declared mutual, making prolonged predatory harassment economically unsustainable. All this is very troubling Hans, unless it's matched by moving all valuable PvE content out of High Sec where Wardecs and suicide ganks are not required. . Not to mention it's incredibly harsh on newbies and highsec starter corps full of inexperienced players. Under Hans' system, the ultra-wealthy targets never have to deal with PvP, because all the griefer/PvP targets will focus their efforts on blasting away the younger corps who can't cough up the cash for the 'CONCORD bribe'. Even moreso I mean because NPC corps will still be available. Under the current system, people can cowardly exploit into a decshield regardless of isk or SP - changing it so only poor players have to worry about the cost of nonconsensual PvP isn't a better solution imho.
To the extent this post is at all coherent, it is untrue. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
341
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Posted - 2012.02.09 23:53:00 -
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Cearain wrote:To the extent this post is at all coherent, it is untrue. Nope, all true. |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.02.10 00:01:00 -
[200] - Quote
Zagam wrote:So basically... your entire platform is everything that doesn't involve nullsec... and the statement "I'm not The Mittani, and I'm not a goon".
Very nice PDF document, though.
Up until this thread Hans seemed a pretty positive candidate: enthusiastic, active, and able to form complete, properly punctuated sentences. His fixation in the OP on being a 'anything but nullsec' candidate and Evil Goon Shenanigans undermines this somewhat, it would have been better to focus on his own positive features rather than get sidetracked into echoing the rather silly CSM6 hysteria we've seen on these forums in recent months.
I hope he focuses on why he makes a good candidate, rather than trying to ride a wave of 'anti-nullsec' which has been made up largely of the badposts and empty rhetoric of a few bitter babies with too much time on their hands to recycle forum alts. |
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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
478
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Posted - 2012.02.10 01:27:00 -
[201] - Quote
Some questions for you.
Are you aware of the issues facing participants in large fights in high security space, such as two alliances at war, stemming from the changes to aggression inheritance?
What do you think of ECM? How about the drones?
How do you envision the role of hisec wardecs and hisec PVP in the future? You claim to be a major hisec candidate, but I do not get the impression that you have a lot of experience in/spend a lot of time in hisec, and you have expressed disdain for any kind of PVP in hisec, an area of the game rife with bugs and peeves and desperately in need of some pretty major mechanical fixes.
You say that you think a money-for-money solution for wars -- bribing CONCORD -- would solve the issues facing hisec corps at war. Why do you think this would not simply make wars a thing of the past for all but the most helpless corporations, driving PVP out of hisec entirely but for a few griefer decs that ruin the gameplay of poorer players? Representing experience and reason in CSM 7 |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1145
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Posted - 2012.02.10 01:27:00 -
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Joyitii wrote:Mining thoughts....
Checked out the thread. Textural mapping or spin rate variation to distinguish between asteroids that are named the same on overview, but contain varying amounts of ore is brilliant. It is perhaps the most beautiful solution to the problem I've seen so far. And developmentally, this makes a lot of sense. We've just overhauled planets, nebulas, warp tunnels, and now the ships themselves.....leaving asteroid belts as sadly one of the most graphically outdated features in the game. It makes absolute sense to me to build a "captcha" into the markings of the asteroids, their shape, or their motion, and solve the botting issue without even having to do much more work than they should be doing anyways to keep up with their artwork schedule. DEATH TO ALL BOTS.
I favor solutions that elevate mining as a profession. I also believe in addressing problems at their root. Currently mining is not a well-respected profession, despite it being such a critical part of the EvE economy. One of the root causes of this is that the game mechanics are so simplistic that artificial intelligence can substitute for human intuition. This is not the fault of the players. The resulting arguments over who is botting and who isn't absolute tear the EvE community to shreds year after year. It fuels griefing, it causes massive distrust amongst all sorts of player entities, even reaching the CSM itself. This is in no way the kind of "good conflict" that drives game activity and keeps things fun. It's quite the opposite. If we can convince CCP there's an accessible solution to the bot problem, that they can even sell well as part of an expansion (customers love new shineys!) I think its a win-win-win for the entire EvE community. Consider this a solution I can push to the developers if elected, until someone shows me something better.
Quote:The second suggestion that I mentioned was the removal of "tiers" and instead having roles instead for each type of ship in Eve. There are a fair amount of T1 ships all across the board that are never used because there are just direct upgrades to them.
This is a tougher one for me, only because in Faction Warfare we have a lot of experience doing PvP on a budget, and I think generally get more out of the commonly overlooked ships than elsewhere in the game. In null, fleet doctrine mandates ship and fitting selection a lot of the time, whereas in highsec, the more PvE-based activity favors the ship with the most tanking ability, which would indeed lead to the idea that the tier 1 and 2 ships are "obsolete".
So I'd argue that while I don't believe the lower tiers are useless, they certainly could use a balancing pass, and I'm excited that I've heard rumor that CCP has that in the works. The tier 3 BC's are nice in that they fit a more niche role, I can see them giving the tier 1 BC's more specialization as well. I don't know whether or not we need to remove the naming system or not, that matters far less to me than making sure the ships all have their uses, like you said. |
Ogi Talvanen
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
93
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Posted - 2012.02.10 01:35:00 -
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"Asteroids captcha" You have my like! |
Abyss Azizora
Yuengling Technologies
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 01:36:00 -
[204] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:Zagam wrote:So basically... your entire platform is everything that doesn't involve nullsec... and the statement "I'm not The Mittani, and I'm not a goon".
Very nice PDF document, though. Up until this thread Hans seemed a pretty positive candidate: enthusiastic, active, and able to form complete, properly punctuated sentences. His fixation in the OP on being a 'anything but nullsec' candidate and Evil Goon Shenanigans undermines this somewhat, it would have been better to focus on his own positive features rather than get sidetracked into echoing the rather silly CSM6 hysteria we've seen on these forums in recent months. I hope he focuses on why he makes a good candidate, rather than trying to ride a wave of 'anti-nullsec' which has been made up largely of the badposts and empty rhetoric of a few bitter babies with too much time on their hands to recycle forum alts.
Confirming goonswarm members don't like the candidate. This guy is now officially worth voting for. Hell, I'll start campaigning for you now. |
Mister Kwong
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 01:56:00 -
[205] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:Zagam wrote:So basically... your entire platform is everything that doesn't involve nullsec... and the statement "I'm not The Mittani, and I'm not a goon".
Very nice PDF document, though. Up until this thread Hans seemed a pretty positive candidate: enthusiastic, active, and able to form complete, properly punctuated sentences. His fixation in the OP on being a 'anything but nullsec' candidate and Evil Goon Shenanigans undermines this somewhat, it would have been better to focus on his own positive features rather than get sidetracked into echoing the rather silly CSM6 hysteria we've seen on these forums in recent months. I hope he focuses on why he makes a good candidate, rather than trying to ride a wave of 'anti-nullsec' which has been made up largely of the badposts and empty rhetoric of a few bitter babies with too much time on their hands to recycle forum alts.
The fact that Goons are already chiming with in the propaganda and spinning confirms that they are already threatened by FW pilots and empire dwellers ruining their nullsec CSM7 plans. Working as intended.
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Carcosa Hali
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
12
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Posted - 2012.02.10 02:02:00 -
[206] - Quote
" if the faction warfare iterations are a success, I think its only natural that they follow the original design intent and expand to include pirate factions as well"
"It's also a shame that most pirate mission content that does exist in the game resides in 0.0, whereas most players that culturally consider themselves pirates (and often honor ransom's, etc) primarily reside in low sec. "
You just got a +1 |
Damassys Kadesh
Eternal Damnation of the Woken Mind
43
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Posted - 2012.02.10 04:04:00 -
[207] - Quote
I'm going to pump you up as much as I can (being a casual player).
I haven't had a full read of the document yet, but I will soon(tm). ;) I am in Factional Warfare and it needs a lot of work: -It's NOT a stepping stone to null -It DOESN'T have balanced risk/reward -It COULD EASILY be the best feature for small-scale PvP CCP, the players are speaking up, please take the time to listen carefully |
Thistlegorm
Monty Pythons Flying Spaceships
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 05:57:00 -
[208] - Quote
Interesting platform document.
Good to hear someone crying death to the mining bots!
You'll get my vote. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2051
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Posted - 2012.02.10 05:57:00 -
[209] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:So you can still haul, mine, rat and trade all you want through NPC corp alts and enjoy a lowered risk level over those who don't, you just can't mine, rat and trade as efficiently?
This would be a more accurate way of describing the balance that I believe needs to be protected in high security space. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1150
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Posted - 2012.02.10 06:27:00 -
[210] - Quote
War Kitten wrote: When other members of CSM7 that play the game in discord with your world views on what is the right way to pvp disagree with your ideas about changes to high sec or lowsec rules and have alternate ideas, how will you react? And when it comes time to discuss sov warfare and super-cap re-balancing, will you have any more useful input than the naive "remove supers" response?
I don't think "PvP" is appropriate behavior for a CSM member to be engaging in with other council members. I agree with the decision made by the previous CSM members to cooperate and work as a team when serving as a voice for the players. In-fighting within the council does not send a message of strength and compromises the integrity of the council and the ability it has to protect the interests of the players.
It is important for all of us who are elected to rely on each other's area of expertise and defer to the individuals that know the most about a given area of space. I am campaigning to protect the interests regions of space I call my home, not to impose my own ways of playing the game upon other players.
One of the sitting CSM representatives recently said, "-áI think we'd prefer CCP beta-test ideas on a smaller population and see if they work out on a smaller scale, first.-á" This is what concerns me, because I feel the player community that loves to engage in a feature should have the strongest voice during the decisions that affect its future.
As for supercap removal, I only meant that it would greatly benefit the low sec PvP culture if they weren't present. I understand that this could greatly affect logistical chains for alliances, hamper their free movement, and making engaging in warfare much more difficult, and I sympathize with the need for more conflict, more often. |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1151
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Posted - 2012.02.10 06:50:00 -
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Angelus Ryan wrote: I vehemently oppose any sort of mechanic where it is not possible to avoid being killed, regardless of what you do, and which (at the very least) does not come with great(er) material cost. Getting outsmarted and outpiloted is one thing, but if even a frigate scout (and no, you shouldn't have to fly a covops just to take a peek next door. If this will be the case, then what will draw new players and casual non-FW PvPers? What will become of the solo pilot?) cannot move around freely enough to let you know what is out there, then we have a problem.
Good question. I think conceptually it's not too difficult to view an insta-lock on a frigate as holding as much power in an engagement as a warp bubble is in 0.0 space. If we are to celebrate the mobility of small gang warfare in low sec space, I think that allowing a properly fit scout to evade even a fast lock time seems like a reasonable balance to strive for. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1151
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Posted - 2012.02.10 07:01:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote: I know you have read Malcanis' Manifesto on Highsec. What is your take on it, summarised in a single paragraph ?
The value I see in Malcanis' High Sec Manifesto is that is written with sole consideration for the players that reside in low sec space, as supposed to being constructed using assumptions about who actually lives there. Malcanis took the time to accurately assess which type of players actually live in high sec, and consider the reasons they live there. He than shaped a proposal based on enhancing the type of game play that high sec natives might enjoy. It was an inside-looking-out perspective that I believe stands as an example of the way we should approach the development of our proposals as a council. You have to start by asking the players that live in a region of space what it is they enjoy, and build from there. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1151
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Posted - 2012.02.10 07:09:00 -
[213] - Quote
ceyriot wrote:I think another cool addition would be a bar like incursion so you know the state of the system and much is needed to be secured.
I'm assuming you're talking about Faction Warfare here? If so, I couldn't agree more. I think that one of the frustrating things about the current occupancy system is the lack of feedback regarding the progress of a system takeover.
I think an update to the Miitia window would be extremely useful, if it provided us with better intelligence about what systems are most threatened and encouraged more pilots to go out and take up arms. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1151
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Posted - 2012.02.10 07:26:00 -
[214] - Quote
Sofia Wolf wrote:What is your position on following issues of high sec warfare: A) Neutral orcas in high sec wars http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Neutral_orcas_in_high_sec_wars_%28CSM%29B) Neutral remote repers not getting aggression timer when remote repairing targets engaged in combat making them near invulnerable when positioned near stations. Do you think those are problems CCP should address? If yes what changes to mechanic would you advocate and what level of priority would you put on those changes?
I believe in fully committing to PvP, should someone choose to engage in it. I think its fair to call reshipping using an orca as assisting a PvP player, and have there be a consequence as a result. Same with neutral remote repair, it's assisting in PvP and should flag one as engaging in such.
This sounds simple enough to not implement without interfering with other major projects, so I see no reason it can't be promoted immediately.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1154
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Posted - 2012.02.10 07:52:00 -
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Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:
i have one question: whats your position to the new balancing efforts which started with crucible. do you see them finished or are you going to urge ccp to go deeper into that topic? do you see the 4 races as on par?
Balancing is complicated issue, I think you would have to clarify which particular ship or module you are concerned about balancing before I could chime in on whether I think it needs a nerf bat or not. The thing to remember is that balancing can often be a game of whack-a-mole, where every improvement in one area creates an imbalance elsewhere. My hope is that CCP keeps a team or indvidual with their thumb on balancing at all times, and it looks like CCP Tallest has been given that job for the time being. I think we're all seeing the positive results even if there is always more work to be done. As a low sec PvP pilot, I have a special sensitivity to balancing concerns because they can dramatically affect the enjoyment and diversity of the small gang warfare we engage in.
Quote: i see no reason why 0.0 and empire could not be developed in parallel and still develop individually. Once they have the hands full maintaining and expanding their little states, they will have less time argueing empire should become like 0.0
The reality is that null alliances engaging in high / low sec "shenanigans" are a symptom or broken game mechanics in 0.0, that disincentive warfare, conflict and competition. Without an engaging resource distribution and enjoyable set of sovereignty mechanics to fight over in 0.0, the largest player groups are going to continue to go wherever they can to have some fun, whether anyone wants them there or not.
In supporting the 0.0 representatives in their encouragement of more sov warfare iterations, I would also be working to protect the interests of empire citizens who want to enjoy EvE their own way. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
62
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Posted - 2012.02.10 07:56:00 -
[216] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:War Kitten wrote: When other members of CSM7 that play the game in discord with your world views on what is the right way to pvp disagree with your ideas about changes to high sec or lowsec rules and have alternate ideas, how will you react? And when it comes time to discuss sov warfare and super-cap re-balancing, will you have any more useful input than the naive "remove supers" response?
I don't think "PvP" is appropriate behavior for a CSM member to be engaging in with other council members. I agree with the decision made by the previous CSM members to cooperate and work as a team when serving as a voice for the players. In-fighting within the council does not send a message of strength and compromises the integrity of the council and the ability it has to protect the interests of the players. It is important for all of us who are elected to rely on each other's area of expertise and defer to the individuals that know the most about a given area of space. I am campaigning to protect the interests regions of space I call my home, not to impose my own ways of playing the game upon other players. One of the sitting CSM representatives recently said, "-áI think we'd prefer CCP beta-test ideas on a smaller population and see if they work out on a smaller scale, first.-á" This is what concerns me, because I feel the player community that loves to engage in a feature should have the strongest voice during the decisions that affect its future. As for supercap removal, I only meant that it would greatly benefit the low sec PvP culture if they weren't present. I understand that this could greatly affect logistical chains for alliances, hamper their free movement, and making engaging in warfare much more difficult, and I sympathize with the need for more conflict, more often.
A simple solution is to restrict the deployment of Fighter Bombers in lowsec, just as Titans can't use their DD in lowsec. The lowsec community doesn't have vast Super Capital resources and the grand majority of us aren't interested in collecting a vast Super Capital resource, preferring to slug it out with Sub-caps and Caps. Deploying any kind of capital assets in lowsec is a big risk because all your enemy has to do is be friends with a 0.0 bloc with bored Super Capitals hungry for some kills.
inb4 "u mad you don't have supercaps?"
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1154
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Posted - 2012.02.10 08:14:00 -
[217] - Quote
Xorv wrote: All this is very troubling Hans, unless it's matched by moving all valuable PvE content out of High Sec where Wardecs and suicide ganks are not required.
"Piracy" is a tricky because it means different things to different players, you're absolutely right about the need to use specific language.
The most efficient solution I see to the high sec piracy problem is to increase rewards in low and null sec space, to entice more PvE activity back into those regions where the "high seas" type piracy can thrive. This lessens the pressure to push deeper into high security space to engage in PvP-for-profit, which is the cause of so much controversy these days.
Quote:"Engame PvE content" Since when has a Sandbox MMO had endgame PvE content? If you're serious about supporting EVE as a Sandbox PvP MMORPG then you would wish to either radically change High Sec Incursions or remove it from the game altogether.
"Endgame" is one of those buzzwords that has negative connotations for some, even if it doesn't bother me so much. I know it musters up images of "terrestrial MMO's" with level caps and stat creep, but I simply used endgame to describe incursions as the ultimate challenge in terms of teamwork-based PvE content in EvE. Many players have been really enjoying incursions, and not just for the money. I think they are a refreshing change from the stale NPC AI we've been used to the last couple of years, even if there's still some work to be done on them. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1154
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Posted - 2012.02.10 08:21:00 -
[218] - Quote
Iam Widdershins wrote:Some questions for you.
Are you aware of the issues facing participants in large fights in high security space, such as two alliances at war, stemming from the changes to aggression inheritance?
What do you think of ECM? How about the drones?
Wow! I'm happy to discuss these with you, its important for our voters to know what each of us would bring to the next CSM.
Is there a specific mechanic you have an interest in changing that you'd like me to share an opinion about? There are a lot of complicated issues with both systems.
Maybe we can tackle the issues one at a time with some sharper focus, essays could be written about something as broad as "alliances at war" or ECM.
Let me know where you'd like me to begin...
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Angelus Ryan
Black Lotus Heavy Industries Ethereal Dawn
2
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Posted - 2012.02.10 08:31:00 -
[219] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Angelus Ryan wrote: I vehemently oppose any sort of mechanic where it is not possible to avoid being killed, regardless of what you do, and which (at the very least) does not come with great(er) material cost. Getting outsmarted and outpiloted is one thing, but if even a frigate scout (and no, you shouldn't have to fly a covops just to take a peek next door. If this will be the case, then what will draw new players and casual non-FW PvPers? What will become of the solo pilot?) cannot move around freely enough to let you know what is out there, then we have a problem.
Good question. I think conceptually it's not too difficult to view an insta-lock on a frigate as holding as much power in an engagement as a warp bubble is in 0.0 space. If we are to celebrate the mobility of small gang warfare in low sec space, I think that allowing a properly fit scout to evade even a fast lock time seems like a reasonable balance to strive for.
You got my vote. Good luck! |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
503
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Posted - 2012.02.10 08:54:00 -
[220] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Iam Widdershins wrote:Some questions for you.
Are you aware of the issues facing participants in large fights in high security space, such as two alliances at war, stemming from the changes to aggression inheritance?
What do you think of ECM? How about the drones?
Wow! I'm happy to discuss these with you, its important for our voters to know what each of us would bring to the next CSM. Is there a specific mechanic you have an interest in changing that you'd like me to share an opinion about? There are a lot of complicated issues with both systems. Maybe we can tackle the issues one at a time with some sharper focus, essays could be written about something as broad as "alliances at war" or ECM. Let me know where you'd like me to begin...
There were four questions:
Iam Widdershins wrote:Some questions for you.
Are you aware of the issues facing participants in large fights in high security space, such as two alliances at war, stemming from the changes to aggression inheritance?
What do you think of ECM? How about the drones?
How do you envision the role of hisec wardecs and hisec PVP in the future? You claim to be a major hisec candidate, but I do not get the impression that you have a lot of experience in/spend a lot of time in hisec, and you have expressed disdain for any kind of PVP in hisec, an area of the game rife with bugs and peeves and desperately in need of some pretty major mechanical fixes.
You say that you think a money-for-money solution for wars -- bribing CONCORD -- would solve the issues facing hisec corps at war. Why do you think this would not simply make wars a thing of the past for all but the most helpless corporations, driving PVP out of hisec entirely but for a few griefer decs that ruin the gameplay of poorer players?
...how about we start with the first one and go from there.
Ok, for the first one, you are apparently not aware of the serious, major issues that are currently in place (namely, constant module deactivation when using logistics against large numbers of targets, rendering cap-chaining logistics almost entirely useless in high-security space for big fights). So that answers that question.
For the second one, I just wanted a short answer, a couple sentences, on your views of ECM and its future in the game.
The second two you ignored entirely. Representing experience and reason in CSM 7 |
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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
503
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Posted - 2012.02.10 09:02:00 -
[221] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I believe in fully committing to PvP, should someone choose to engage in it. I think its fair to call reshipping using an orca as assisting a PvP player, and have there be a consequence as a result. Same with neutral remote repair, it's assisting in PvP and should flag one as engaging in such.
This sounds simple enough to not implement without interfering with other major projects, so I see no reason it can't be promoted immediately.
It would be fine for logistics to become unable to dock, as long as the timer that prevents them from docking or jumping is not kept at 60 seconds, but rather can only be as long as the person they are repping. Otherwise, logistics gangs deaggressing on a gate would never be able to jump and it'd be a turkey-shoot.
The Orca issue is already taken care of for the most part. Any pilot in a ship that is being aggressed in any way cannot board a ship from an orca or put their ship away in the hangar; they need to jump out first and this can be a very risky move. It might be a good idea for the aggressed and empty ship to be un-scoopable as well, but it is already 80% taken care of.
These are the kinds of answers you should be giving. What I'm seeing right now from you is a lot of pretty vague answers about how maybe you'll figure it out later, no actual descriptions or specifics of the sorts of things you'd like to see. Representing experience and reason in CSM 7 |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
238
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Posted - 2012.02.10 09:08:00 -
[222] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Joyitii wrote:Mining thoughts.... Checked out the thread. Textural mapping or spin rate variation to distinguish between asteroids that are named the same on overview, but contain varying amounts of ore is brilliant. It is perhaps the most beautiful solution to the problem I've seen so far. And developmentally, this makes a lot of sense. We've just overhauled planets, nebulas, warp tunnels, and now the ships themselves.....leaving asteroid belts as sadly one of the most graphically outdated features in the game. It makes absolute sense to me to build a "captcha" into the markings of the asteroids, their shape, or their motion, and solve the botting issue without even having to do much more work than they should be doing anyways to keep up with their artwork schedule. DEATH TO ALL BOTS. I favor solutions that elevate mining as a profession. I also believe in addressing problems at their root. Currently mining is not a well-respected profession, despite it being such a critical part of the EvE economy. One of the root causes of this is that the game mechanics are so simplistic that artificial intelligence can substitute for human intuition. This is not the fault of the players. The resulting arguments over who is botting and who isn't absolute tear the EvE community to shreds year after year. It fuels griefing, it causes massive distrust amongst all sorts of player entities, even reaching the CSM itself. This is in no way the kind of "good conflict" that drives game activity and keeps things fun. It's quite the opposite. If we can convince CCP there's an accessible solution to the bot problem, that they can even sell well as part of an expansion (customers love new shineys!) I think its a win-win-win for the entire EvE community. Consider this a solution I can push to the developers if elected, until someone shows me something better. (...)
My apologies if i am being thick, but, that change would then mean that survey scanners would be gone? EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
503
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Posted - 2012.02.10 09:14:00 -
[223] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Joyitii wrote:Mining thoughts.... Checked out the thread. Textural mapping or spin rate variation to distinguish between asteroids that are named the same on overview, but contain varying amounts of ore is brilliant. It is perhaps the most beautiful solution to the problem I've seen so far. And developmentally, this makes a lot of sense. We've just overhauled planets, nebulas, warp tunnels, and now the ships themselves.....leaving asteroid belts as sadly one of the most graphically outdated features in the game. It makes absolute sense to me to build a "captcha" into the markings of the asteroids, their shape, or their motion, and solve the botting issue without even having to do much more work than they should be doing anyways to keep up with their artwork schedule. DEATH TO ALL BOTS. I favor solutions that elevate mining as a profession. I also believe in addressing problems at their root. Currently mining is not a well-respected profession, despite it being such a critical part of the EvE economy. One of the root causes of this is that the game mechanics are so simplistic that artificial intelligence can substitute for human intuition. This is not the fault of the players. The resulting arguments over who is botting and who isn't absolute tear the EvE community to shreds year after year. It fuels griefing, it causes massive distrust amongst all sorts of player entities, even reaching the CSM itself. This is in no way the kind of "good conflict" that drives game activity and keeps things fun. It's quite the opposite. If we can convince CCP there's an accessible solution to the bot problem, that they can even sell well as part of an expansion (customers love new shineys!) I think its a win-win-win for the entire EvE community. Consider this a solution I can push to the developers if elected, until someone shows me something better. (...) My apologies if i am being thick, but, that change would then mean that survey scanners would be gone? Not only that, but he is completely ignoring the fact that a majority of the minerals harvested in the game DON'T come from mining; they come from mission and drone loot, reprocessed into raw minerals. There are issues of supply that need to be solved before we need to go into some kind of Turing-test campaign for mining in belts. Representing experience and reason in CSM 7 |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
503
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Posted - 2012.02.10 09:35:00 -
[224] - Quote
I hate to say it (lol) but I have one more question.
Your character's security status is -4.8.
How are you representing the players of hisec, and the people who seek entry-level PVP there? Representing experience and reason in CSM 7 |
Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.02.10 09:37:00 -
[225] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Joyitii wrote:Mining thoughts.... Checked out the thread. Textural mapping or spin rate variation to distinguish between asteroids that are named the same on overview, but contain varying amounts of ore is brilliant. It is perhaps the most beautiful solution to the problem I've seen so far. And developmentally, this makes a lot of sense. We've just overhauled planets, nebulas, warp tunnels, and now the ships themselves.....leaving asteroid belts as sadly one of the most graphically outdated features in the game. It makes absolute sense to me to build a "captcha" into the markings of the asteroids, their shape, or their motion, and solve the botting issue without even having to do much more work than they should be doing anyways to keep up with their artwork schedule. DEATH TO ALL BOTS. I favor solutions that elevate mining as a profession. I also believe in addressing problems at their root. Currently mining is not a well-respected profession, despite it being such a critical part of the EvE economy. One of the root causes of this is that the game mechanics are so simplistic that artificial intelligence can substitute for human intuition. This is not the fault of the players. The resulting arguments over who is botting and who isn't absolute tear the EvE community to shreds year after year. It fuels griefing, it causes massive distrust amongst all sorts of player entities, even reaching the CSM itself. This is in no way the kind of "good conflict" that drives game activity and keeps things fun. It's quite the opposite. If we can convince CCP there's an accessible solution to the bot problem, that they can even sell well as part of an expansion (customers love new shineys!) I think its a win-win-win for the entire EvE community. Consider this a solution I can push to the developers if elected, until someone shows me something better. (...) My apologies if i am being thick, but, that change would then mean that survey scanners would be gone? Not necessarily, they would still tell you how many minerals are in the asteroids. Just not if they're good or not. : ) Also read the thread that he is talking about if you don't want to be confused. |
Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.02.10 09:40:00 -
[226] - Quote
Iam Widdershins wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Joyitii wrote:Mining thoughts.... Checked out the thread. Textural mapping or spin rate variation to distinguish between asteroids that are named the same on overview, but contain varying amounts of ore is brilliant. It is perhaps the most beautiful solution to the problem I've seen so far. And developmentally, this makes a lot of sense. We've just overhauled planets, nebulas, warp tunnels, and now the ships themselves.....leaving asteroid belts as sadly one of the most graphically outdated features in the game. It makes absolute sense to me to build a "captcha" into the markings of the asteroids, their shape, or their motion, and solve the botting issue without even having to do much more work than they should be doing anyways to keep up with their artwork schedule. DEATH TO ALL BOTS. I favor solutions that elevate mining as a profession. I also believe in addressing problems at their root. Currently mining is not a well-respected profession, despite it being such a critical part of the EvE economy. One of the root causes of this is that the game mechanics are so simplistic that artificial intelligence can substitute for human intuition. This is not the fault of the players. The resulting arguments over who is botting and who isn't absolute tear the EvE community to shreds year after year. It fuels griefing, it causes massive distrust amongst all sorts of player entities, even reaching the CSM itself. This is in no way the kind of "good conflict" that drives game activity and keeps things fun. It's quite the opposite. If we can convince CCP there's an accessible solution to the bot problem, that they can even sell well as part of an expansion (customers love new shineys!) I think its a win-win-win for the entire EvE community. Consider this a solution I can push to the developers if elected, until someone shows me something better. (...) My apologies if i am being thick, but, that change would then mean that survey scanners would be gone? Not only that, but he is completely ignoring the fact that a majority of the minerals harvested in the game DON'T come from mining; they come from mission and drone loot, reprocessed into raw minerals. There are issues of supply that need to be solved before we need to go into some kind of Turing-test campaign for mining in belts. Again I would like to say that you should go and read the thread that he is talking about. It talks about removing all drone mineral loot and all T1 drops from missioning effectively removing all mineral sources other than those from mining. |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Catholic School for Boys EXPLO. KINETIK und ein wenig THERMAL
3
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Posted - 2012.02.10 09:41:00 -
[227] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote:
i have one question: whats your position to the new balancing efforts which started with crucible. do you see them finished or are you going to urge ccp to go deeper into that topic? do you see the 4 races as on par?
Balancing is complicated issue, I think you would have to clarify which particular ship or module you are concerned about balancing before I could chime in on whether I think it needs a nerf bat or not. The thing to remember is that balancing can often be a game of whack-a-mole, where every improvement in one area creates an imbalance elsewhere. My hope is that CCP keeps a team or indvidual with their thumb on balancing at all times, and it looks like CCP Tallest has been given that job for the time being. I think we're all seeing the positive results even if there is always more work to be done. As a low sec PvP pilot, I have a special sensitivity to balancing concerns because they can dramatically affect the enjoyment and diversity of the small gang warfare we engage in.
i'd like to hear your thoughts on the hybrid weapons performance (medium sized and bigger blasters and rails) and their lack of use, as well as the "winmatard" problem (not my choice of words..) which is partly linked to the hybrids or their platforms (gallente and caldari gunships).
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Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.02.10 09:42:00 -
[228] - Quote
Iam Widdershins wrote:I hate to say it (lol) but I have one more question.
Your character's security status is -4.8.
How are you representing the players of hisec, and the people who seek entry-level PVP there? In his giant 20 page pdf file he mentions that he wants locked low-sec status decreases to end at 2.0 since it doesn't stop going down if you keep shooting people there. It doesn't mean that he was shooting people in highsec. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
238
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Posted - 2012.02.10 10:11:00 -
[229] - Quote
Iam Widdershins wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Joyitii wrote:Mining thoughts.... Checked out the thread. Textural mapping or spin rate variation to distinguish between asteroids that are named the same on overview, but contain varying amounts of ore is brilliant. It is perhaps the most beautiful solution to the problem I've seen so far. And developmentally, this makes a lot of sense. We've just overhauled planets, nebulas, warp tunnels, and now the ships themselves.....leaving asteroid belts as sadly one of the most graphically outdated features in the game. It makes absolute sense to me to build a "captcha" into the markings of the asteroids, their shape, or their motion, and solve the botting issue without even having to do much more work than they should be doing anyways to keep up with their artwork schedule. DEATH TO ALL BOTS. I favor solutions that elevate mining as a profession. I also believe in addressing problems at their root. Currently mining is not a well-respected profession, despite it being such a critical part of the EvE economy. One of the root causes of this is that the game mechanics are so simplistic that artificial intelligence can substitute for human intuition. This is not the fault of the players. The resulting arguments over who is botting and who isn't absolute tear the EvE community to shreds year after year. It fuels griefing, it causes massive distrust amongst all sorts of player entities, even reaching the CSM itself. This is in no way the kind of "good conflict" that drives game activity and keeps things fun. It's quite the opposite. If we can convince CCP there's an accessible solution to the bot problem, that they can even sell well as part of an expansion (customers love new shineys!) I think its a win-win-win for the entire EvE community. Consider this a solution I can push to the developers if elected, until someone shows me something better. (...) My apologies if i am being thick, but, that change would then mean that survey scanners would be gone? Not only that, but he is completely ignoring the fact that a majority of the minerals harvested in the game DON'T come from mining; they come from mission and drone loot, reprocessed into raw minerals. There are issues of supply that need to be solved before we need to go into some kind of Turing-test campaign for mining in belts.
The OP already adressed that, not very brightly, by calling to remove alloy drops from drones and replace BPC drops for the module drops from NPCs. Frankly I don't buy the missions part, BPC are the most useless thing for a mission runner (we blow stuff, don't build it!).
Anyway, upon further thinking about the visual captcha, i just found it to be born dead. Why? Because a bot has got all the time in the world to waste hitting empty asteroids until meeting the one-in-ten. Even worst, it would be simple as hell to teach the bot to unlock and remove from list any asteroid that wouldn't yield mineral after a cycle.
As long as a bot can fly to a bookmark and eventually hit gold, it's gonna be enough to justifiy the use of such bot.
But then, expecting noobs to find gravimetrics on their own before as much as mining could be a return to the "learning cliff".
Rendering miner bots obsolete is gonna be a tough thing to do. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.02.10 10:29:00 -
[230] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Iam Widdershins wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Joyitii wrote:Mining thoughts.... Checked out the thread. Textural mapping or spin rate variation to distinguish between asteroids that are named the same on overview, but contain varying amounts of ore is brilliant. It is perhaps the most beautiful solution to the problem I've seen so far. And developmentally, this makes a lot of sense. We've just overhauled planets, nebulas, warp tunnels, and now the ships themselves.....leaving asteroid belts as sadly one of the most graphically outdated features in the game. It makes absolute sense to me to build a "captcha" into the markings of the asteroids, their shape, or their motion, and solve the botting issue without even having to do much more work than they should be doing anyways to keep up with their artwork schedule. DEATH TO ALL BOTS. I favor solutions that elevate mining as a profession. I also believe in addressing problems at their root. Currently mining is not a well-respected profession, despite it being such a critical part of the EvE economy. One of the root causes of this is that the game mechanics are so simplistic that artificial intelligence can substitute for human intuition. This is not the fault of the players. The resulting arguments over who is botting and who isn't absolute tear the EvE community to shreds year after year. It fuels griefing, it causes massive distrust amongst all sorts of player entities, even reaching the CSM itself. This is in no way the kind of "good conflict" that drives game activity and keeps things fun. It's quite the opposite. If we can convince CCP there's an accessible solution to the bot problem, that they can even sell well as part of an expansion (customers love new shineys!) I think its a win-win-win for the entire EvE community. Consider this a solution I can push to the developers if elected, until someone shows me something better. (...) My apologies if i am being thick, but, that change would then mean that survey scanners would be gone? Not only that, but he is completely ignoring the fact that a majority of the minerals harvested in the game DON'T come from mining; they come from mission and drone loot, reprocessed into raw minerals. There are issues of supply that need to be solved before we need to go into some kind of Turing-test campaign for mining in belts. The OP already adressed that, not very brightly, by calling to remove alloy drops from drones and replace BPC drops for the module drops from NPCs. Frankly I don't buy the missions part, BPC are the most useless thing for a mission runner (we blow stuff, don't build it!). Anyway, upon further thinking about the visual captcha, i just found it to be born dead. Why? Because a bot has got all the time in the world to waste hitting empty asteroids until meeting the one-in-ten. Even worst, it would be simple as hell to teach the bot to unlock and remove from list any asteroid that wouldn't yield mineral after a cycle. As long as a bot can fly to a bookmark and eventually hit gold, it's gonna be enough to justifiy the use of such bot. But then, expecting noobs to find gravimetrics on their own before as much as mining could be a return to the "learning cliff". Rendering miner bots obsolete is gonna be a tough thing to do. I'm just going to say this. You haven't read the whole thread. It's quite a read I admit but what you're talking about is addressed and honestly this isn't the tread that it really needs to be discussed on. |
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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
503
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Posted - 2012.02.10 11:30:00 -
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Joyitii wrote:Iam Widdershins wrote:I hate to say it (lol) but I have one more question.
Your character's security status is -4.8.
How are you representing the players of hisec, and the people who seek entry-level PVP there? In his giant 20 page pdf file he mentions that he wants locked low-sec status decreases to end at 2.0 since it doesn't stop going down if you keep shooting people there. It doesn't mean that he was shooting people in highsec. Yes, I know. He can't shoot people in hisec, because he'd get killed by police just being there. How can he represent a demographic he is not a part of?
I also support this -2.0 proposal (originally by Jack Dant, found here), but I don't feel like he's able to effectively represent the demographic of people who will make their living on war declarations, past or future.
Joyitii wrote:I'm just going to say this. You haven't read the whole thread. It's quite a read I admit but what you're talking about is addressed and honestly this isn't the tread that it really needs to be discussed on. I've been reading the whole thread, and I'm thinking more and more that he is not a very good option. Unless he can answer some of my pointed questions, completely turn things around all of a sudden, and show that he can competently represent the people he claims to be representing... Representing experience and reason in CSM 7 |
Tsubutai
The Tuskers
58
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Posted - 2012.02.10 11:45:00 -
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Iam Widdershins wrote:I've been reading the whole thread, and I'm thinking more and more that he is not a very good option. Candidate A claiming people shouldn't vote for candidate B? Well I never!
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Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:03:00 -
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Tsubutai wrote:Iam Widdershins wrote:I've been reading the whole thread, and I'm thinking more and more that he is not a very good option. Candidate A claiming people shouldn't vote for candidate B? Well I never! I was wondering why he was being so critical over something so trivial. vOv |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
503
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:27:00 -
[234] - Quote
Joyitii wrote:Tsubutai wrote:Iam Widdershins wrote:I've been reading the whole thread, and I'm thinking more and more that he is not a very good option. Candidate A claiming people shouldn't vote for candidate B? Well I never! I was wondering why he was being so critical over something so trivial. vOv If you think that candidates swearing up and down to be something they are not and demonstrating a solid lack of understanding in issues of important mechanics is trivial, then I guess this is your candidate. Representing experience and reason in CSM 7 |
Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:49:00 -
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So what do you want? For him to answer questions? If so grab a ticket and wait in line till he gets off work and has some actual free time. Honestly you're making more of a fuss here than any goon has... |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
133
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:53:00 -
[236] - Quote
Iam Widdershins wrote:Joyitii wrote:Tsubutai wrote:Iam Widdershins wrote:I've been reading the whole thread, and I'm thinking more and more that he is not a very good option. Candidate A claiming people shouldn't vote for candidate B? Well I never! I was wondering why he was being so critical over something so trivial. vOv If you think that candidates swearing up and down to be something they are not and demonstrating a solid lack of understanding in issues of important mechanics is trivial, then I guess this is your candidate.
Did you miss the part were he talks of his multiple accounts? Or his Hi-sec mining and industry? Or yelding to thouse that know more?
Why have you wasted the last 5 hours of your life demanding to talk to some one that is obviously not at there comp for the time being?
I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
NetheranE
Error-404
8
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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:06:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:War Kitten wrote: When other members of CSM7 that play the game in discord with your world views on what is the right way to pvp disagree with your ideas about changes to high sec or lowsec rules and have alternate ideas, how will you react? And when it comes time to discuss sov warfare and super-cap re-balancing, will you have any more useful input than the naive "remove supers" response?
I don't think "PvP" is appropriate behavior for a CSM member to be engaging in with other council members. I agree with the decision made by the previous CSM members to cooperate and work as a team when serving as a voice for the players. In-fighting within the council does not send a message of strength and compromises the integrity of the council and the ability it has to protect the interests of the players. *snip*
If you're stating that a ceasefire between all CSM members be called while they are on the board, you're potentially stepping into the way people play. These people have volunteered (you included) to represent the community, not to sacrifice your enjoyment of the game for it. If you begin to lose enjoyment for EVE while trying to represent the people in it, i'd like to stand up then and say something is wrong here and we need to make sure you enjoy the game. How can you fairly represent something you're not enjoying?
I think that these select few should be even more open to PvP, and especially with each other. You essentially have a small group that is constantly in communication with each other, who have been voted by a large number of the community to represent them and their concerns. That right there, THAT opportunity screams to me that you should almost seek to engage each other in PvP. You're essentially surrounded with what could potentially be labelled as the most experienced/preferred representative for a particular form of PvP (or PvE *cough*)! Why would you dare pass up that kind of chance to learn from them?
If "infighting" occurs over the due course of PvP, i would look to reconsider the rager's place on the CSM. Rage is a natural product of EVE PvP in a way, but if it starts causing rifts in our representatives because one of you popped/"jew'ed"/backstabbed the other? Get lost mate, I dont need to represent me in EVE (one of the most cutthroat MMOs out there) if you can't reconcile losing something to someone who could very easily be better than you in a vast majority of ways.
Not that I'm denying you may have a point. Yet, if you're point actually has application, i'd immediately question why that person found a place on CSM (unless they're a carebear rep and got blown up, then i'd harvest his tears joyfully). |
NetheranE
Error-404
8
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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:08:00 -
[238] - Quote
Tsubutai wrote:Iam Widdershins wrote:I've been reading the whole thread, and I'm thinking more and more that he is not a very good option. Candidate A claiming people shouldn't vote for candidate B? Well I never!
WHAT!? NO! This is entirely out of the norm!
*cough* Whatever brah's |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
525
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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:10:00 -
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NetheranE wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:War Kitten wrote: When other members of CSM7 that play the game in discord with your world views on what is the right way to pvp disagree with your ideas about changes to high sec or lowsec rules and have alternate ideas, how will you react? And when it comes time to discuss sov warfare and super-cap re-balancing, will you have any more useful input than the naive "remove supers" response?
I don't think "PvP" is appropriate behavior for a CSM member to be engaging in with other council members. I agree with the decision made by the previous CSM members to cooperate and work as a team when serving as a voice for the players. In-fighting within the council does not send a message of strength and compromises the integrity of the council and the ability it has to protect the interests of the players. *snip* If you're stating that a ceasefire between all CSM members be called while they are on the board, you're potentially stepping into the way people play. These people have volunteered (you included) to represent the community, not to sacrifice your enjoyment of the game for it. If you begin to lose enjoyment for EVE while trying to represent the people in it, i'd like to stand up then and say something is wrong here and we need to make sure you enjoy the game. How can you fairly represent something you're not enjoying? I think that these select few should be even more open to PvP, and especially with each other. You essentially have a small group that is constantly in communication with each other, who have been voted by a large number of the community to represent them and their concerns. That right there, THAT opportunity screams to me that you should almost seek to engage each other in PvP. You're essentially surrounded with what could potentially be labelled as the most experienced/preferred representative for a particular form of PvP (or PvE *cough*)! Why would you dare pass up that kind of chance to learn from them? If "infighting" occurs over the due course of PvP, i would look to reconsider the rager's place on the CSM. Rage is a natural product of EVE PvP in a way, but if it starts causing rifts in our representatives because one of you popped/"jew'ed"/backstabbed the other? Get lost mate, I dont need to represent me in EVE (one of the most cutthroat MMOs out there) if you can't reconcile losing something to someone who could very easily be better than you in a vast majority of ways. Not that I'm denying you may have a point. Yet, if you're point actually has application, i'd immediately question why that person found a place on CSM (unless they're a carebear rep and got blown up, then i'd harvest his tears joyfully).
I think you misunderstood what he meant by "PVP" with the little quotes around it.
I took it to mean fighting amongst the CSM members on the council, not actual PvP, ship vs. ship, combat in the game.
Hans - thanks for your answers, I like what you had to say there and it alleviates my concerns. This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
525
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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:19:00 -
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Iam Widdershins wrote:I also support this -2.0 proposal (originally by Jack Dant, found here), but I don't feel like he's able to effectively represent the demographic of people who will make their living on war declarations, past or future.
Since you make your living off of hi-sec wardecs, doesn't that make your motivation just as suspect as the alleged motivations of nullsec representatives from big alliances with respect to nullsec changes?
TBH, from what I've read so far, I'd like to see both of you make it rather than fight each other for the same voter base.
Focus on positives guys!
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
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NetheranE
Error-404
8
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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:20:00 -
[241] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:NetheranE wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:War Kitten wrote: When other members of CSM7 that play the game in discord with your world views on what is the right way to pvp disagree with your ideas about changes to high sec or lowsec rules and have alternate ideas, how will you react? And when it comes time to discuss sov warfare and super-cap re-balancing, will you have any more useful input than the naive "remove supers" response?
I don't think "PvP" is appropriate behavior for a CSM member to be engaging in with other council members. I agree with the decision made by the previous CSM members to cooperate and work as a team when serving as a voice for the players. In-fighting within the council does not send a message of strength and compromises the integrity of the council and the ability it has to protect the interests of the players. *snip* If you're stating that a ceasefire between all CSM members be called while they are on the board, you're potentially stepping into the way people play. These people have volunteered (you included) to represent the community, not to sacrifice your enjoyment of the game for it. If you begin to lose enjoyment for EVE while trying to represent the people in it, i'd like to stand up then and say something is wrong here and we need to make sure you enjoy the game. How can you fairly represent something you're not enjoying? I think that these select few should be even more open to PvP, and especially with each other. You essentially have a small group that is constantly in communication with each other, who have been voted by a large number of the community to represent them and their concerns. That right there, THAT opportunity screams to me that you should almost seek to engage each other in PvP. You're essentially surrounded with what could potentially be labelled as the most experienced/preferred representative for a particular form of PvP (or PvE *cough*)! Why would you dare pass up that kind of chance to learn from them? If "infighting" occurs over the due course of PvP, i would look to reconsider the rager's place on the CSM. Rage is a natural product of EVE PvP in a way, but if it starts causing rifts in our representatives because one of you popped/"jew'ed"/backstabbed the other? Get lost mate, I dont need to represent me in EVE (one of the most cutthroat MMOs out there) if you can't reconcile losing something to someone who could very easily be better than you in a vast majority of ways. Not that I'm denying you may have a point. Yet, if you're point actually has application, i'd immediately question why that person found a place on CSM (unless they're a carebear rep and got blown up, then i'd harvest his tears joyfully). I think you misunderstood what he meant by "PVP" with the little quotes around it. I took it to mean fighting amongst the CSM members on the council, not actual PvP, ship vs. ship, combat in the game. Hans - thanks for your answers, I like what you had to say there and it alleviates my concerns.
This I'd need clarified by the OP, as the message I got was something rather disturbing.
If he meant CSM members should put their differences aside, I'd ask why that wasnt a prerequisite to growing some balls and/or getting a spot on CSM.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
525
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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:39:00 -
[242] - Quote
NetheranE wrote:War Kitten wrote:I think you misunderstood what he meant by "PVP" with the little quotes around it.
I took it to mean fighting amongst the CSM members on the council, not actual PvP, ship vs. ship, combat in the game.
Hans - thanks for your answers, I like what you had to say there and it alleviates my concerns. This I'd need clarified by the OP, as the message I got was something rather disturbing. If he meant CSM members should put their differences aside, I'd ask why that wasnt a prerequisite to growing some balls and/or getting a spot on CSM.
Fair enough, it's his words to clarify.
I still think you mis-read the air-quotes and then read a WHOLE lot into that mistake though. His answer was perfectly in context with my questions, so it made sense to me. This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
NetheranE
Error-404
8
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Posted - 2012.02.10 14:03:00 -
[243] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:NetheranE wrote:War Kitten wrote:I think you misunderstood what he meant by "PVP" with the little quotes around it.
I took it to mean fighting amongst the CSM members on the council, not actual PvP, ship vs. ship, combat in the game.
Hans - thanks for your answers, I like what you had to say there and it alleviates my concerns. This I'd need clarified by the OP, as the message I got was something rather disturbing. If he meant CSM members should put their differences aside, I'd ask why that wasnt a prerequisite to growing some balls and/or getting a spot on CSM. Fair enough, it's his words to clarify. I still think you mis-read the air-quotes and then read a WHOLE lot into that mistake though. His answer was perfectly in context with my questions, so it made sense to me.
Deciding I should read what I was looking at before posting, I also recognise I should probably keep my mouth shut at 6:00am...
I'll still stand by what I said at the end. If the answer to your question isnt obvious, then something is wrong. |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
505
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:16:00 -
[244] - Quote
Joyitii, Rel'k Bloodlor: Calm your boiling wits. I'm not demanding that he answer me immediately, but I did ask a number of pointed and crucial questions that directly affect to those he claims to be his preferred constituency (hisec), whether or not they are interested in getting into PVP; he directly and indirectly completely evaded these questions. I put down multiple posts because I was responding to others' and had more questions, not because I'm impatient. I'm perfectly willing to give him another chance to answer. It's a Gorram forum, mate. Chill out.
Netheran, Hans, War Kitten: Obviously it is completely crucial to act as a rational adult and put aside your differences when working together on the CSM. What seems to be missing in your discussion is the fact that we are not yet CSM members, and CCP asks for a limited number of representatives for a reason. Some people are going to be more suitable and wiser than others, and there is absolutely no reason why they cannot argue amongst each other to clarify their ideals and weed out the trolls and the ones who are only there for a specific agenda.
In the eventuality that someone feels the need to withdraw from the race, it should be important that they know who to direct their voters to, that will be able to answer their concerns the most directly and be the most effective possible member of the group. Representing experience and reason in CSM 7 |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
526
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:17:00 -
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NetheranE wrote:I'll still stand by what I said at the end. If the answer to your question isnt obvious, then something is wrong.
I agree, the "correct" answer is obvious, and it would be nice if somehow it could be a prerequisite to CSM membership. But short of observing a candidate in such a situation, asking the question and seeing how they respond is the next best thing.
I wasn't seeking the right answer, I wanted to read Hans' answer and see how much thought he put into the response.
Think of it as analogous to when a teacher asks you to show your work in school. They know the answer, they want to see how *you* arrived at it.
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
505
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:31:00 -
[246] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:NetheranE wrote:I'll still stand by what I said at the end. If the answer to your question isnt obvious, then something is wrong. I agree, the "correct" answer is obvious, and it would be nice if somehow it could be a prerequisite to CSM membership. But short of observing a candidate in such a situation, asking the question and seeing how they respond is the next best thing. I wasn't seeking the right answer, I wanted to read Hans' answer and see how much thought he put into the response. Think of it as analogous to when a teacher asks you to show your work in school. They know the answer, they want to see how *you* arrived at it. This exactly, well put. I am looking to see how Hans thinks about and analyzes things, and so far I am not seeing much, and I'm having concerns with his knowledge of hisec mechanics -- the area of the game where there are more complications and caveats to the way things work than anywhere else, and where the significant majority of EVE's population resides.
I'm pretty sure I'd know these mechanics inside out at the bottom of a lake. Hans, the ball is in your court. Representing experience and reason in CSM 7 |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1170
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:45:00 -
[247] - Quote
War Kitten wrote: I think you misunderstood what he meant by "PVP" with the little quotes around it.
I took it to mean fighting amongst the CSM members on the council, not actual PvP, ship vs. ship, combat in the game.
Real briefly while I have a break, this is correct. I think debate should certainly occur among council members, but when it comes to proposing an idea to CCP, the more unanimous the support of the council the more effective the proposal will be at convincing the developers it is for the good of the entire game. This is one of the founding principles of the CSM is that its members work for the good of all players, not for those that enjoy one activity in particular such as high sec PvP, Faction Warfare, or 0.0 sov takeovers. That doesnGÇÖt mean any of us shouldnGÇÖt have values we defend, but compromise and teamwork is essential to actually accomplishing anything as a council.
As for PvP on Tranquility among council members, I have no problem with that! It's one of the many activities I love, I think itGÇÖs completely possible to show respect to fellow council members and work cooperatively without it getting in the way of in-game pew pew. This is evidenced by the enormous voting support I have been receiving from the factions I continue to PvP against throughout the campaign.
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3195
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:05:00 -
[248] - Quote
In general, by virtue of sharing a chat channel 23/7 on Skype, even opposites such as Trebor and myself end up getting along. The shared misery of warring against ~virtual goods~ may have had something to do with it, but I suspect the Skype concept is one of the major reasons why CSM6 was relentlessly on-message and coordinated compared to past CSMs.
(you're welcome)
But it's election season, you're all supposed to be tearing each others throats out, compromising and being chill is something that happens after you win. The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
150
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:32:00 -
[249] - Quote
I endorse this canidate |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
68
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Posted - 2012.02.10 19:01:00 -
[250] - Quote
This is an official post resisting the Goon meta-campaign of pushing ACTUAL candidates off of front page. <3 Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
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Kaver Linkovir
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:01:00 -
[251] - Quote
Having read the whole Manifesto thingy:
Nice.
Last time I voted for The Mittani so he could kick CCP with kindness, this time I get to vote where my interests are, cool stuff for people who don't partake in the endless 0.0 merry-go-round of backstabbing and being a cog / lemming / body in space for the next CTA. |
Kaver Linkovir
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:03:00 -
[252] - Quote
Largo Coronet wrote:He meant to say he wants to like like a banana.
Spam, please ignore. |
Kaver Linkovir
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:14:00 -
[253] - Quote
quote=Lyris Nairn]Hello space friends.
Please, won't you join me by the fire?
[/quote]
More Spam, please ignore |
Kaver Linkovir
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:20:00 -
[254] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Mister Conley, it is a pleasure
o7 o7 o7 o7 o7
Spam, spam and double spam.
I will fight for my prefered candidate even if it entails getting my hands dirty tossing spam back. I really hate politics, by the way. |
Kaver Linkovir
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:25:00 -
[255] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:A vote for MB3 is a vote for drunken semi-naked Rock Band playing
Spam, more spam. Spamgames. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
125
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:41:00 -
[256] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:This is an official post resisting the Goon meta-campaign of pushing ACTUAL candidates off of front page. <3
Surrogates fighting other surrogates. This is truly lolzworthy. Enjoying my popcorn Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Kaver Linkovir
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:41:00 -
[257] - Quote
Another helping of spam, don't you love the smell of spam in the morning? |
Kaver Linkovir
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:47:00 -
[258] - Quote
Osabojo wrote:I will support you as well as or better than the bra you discarded.
Spam enough for everyone. |
Kaver Linkovir
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.02.10 20:56:00 -
[259] - Quote
Lyris Nairn wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Posting a badger song in another Lyris Nairn attention seeking thread. Thank you for your support!
Batten down the hatches, spam incomming. |
Kaver Linkovir
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:00:00 -
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Snipped for your convenience, please note that all these posts are counterspam to decrease spam effectiveness. |
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Kaver Linkovir
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:05:00 -
[261] - Quote
Krios Ahzek wrote:I am so sorry for what became of your son ma'am.
What is that there over yonder, why it's a fresh batch of spam, how quaint. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1189
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:08:00 -
[262] - Quote
Kaver Linkovir wrote:Another helping of spam, don't you love the smell of spam in the morning?
Hahahaha ease up there, Kaver. Lyris is my Internet Space Friend!
I appreciate your enthusiasm, however.
Now back to our regularly scheduled spam-free broadcasting... |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
593
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:13:00 -
[263] - Quote
Hey, Hans, you might wanna check this out. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1189
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Posted - 2012.02.10 21:24:00 -
[264] - Quote
I'm fully aware of the election procedures, but I do appreciate the friendly reminder, bro! . My paper should be here in the next day or two. |
Sasha Deren
Oxide Interstellar Associates
0
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Posted - 2012.02.10 22:24:00 -
[265] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I'm fully aware of the election procedures, but I do appreciate the friendly reminder, bro! . My paper should be here in the next day or two.
Phew, you had me worried there for a second!
Excellent candidate manifesto and a throughly enjoyable, thought provoking, read. +1 likes, a bump and a pledge to vote for you in the upcoming election.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1191
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Posted - 2012.02.10 23:30:00 -
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Sasha Deren wrote: Excellent candidate manifesto and a throughly enjoyable, thought provoking, read. +1 likes, a bump and a pledge to vote for you in the upcoming election.
Thanks for taking the time to read my material and get to know me! I appreciate your support. Keep in touch.... |
Aidan Padecain
Almsivi Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2012.02.11 02:39:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:...it's election season, you're all supposed to be tearing each others throats out, compromising and being chill is something that happens after you win.
Washington missed this memo. I'm pretty sure bands of Democrat and Republican House members roam around K street after dark, looking fo opposition blood. But hell, maybe if the CSM election is as cut-throat and entertaining as the GOP primary, voter turn-out will go up. Then again? |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
657
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Posted - 2012.02.11 04:20:00 -
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Anytime you've got a minute to actually answer my questions, that would be fantastic.
Since it has been quite a while now, though, maybe you could just tell me that you aren't planning to answer them. That would help a lot. Lobbying for your right to delete your signature |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1206
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Posted - 2012.02.11 04:28:00 -
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Hello Iam!
Happy to answer your questions. I'm having to work late today, and your questions came right as I went to bed last night.
I won't avoid any question in this campaign. If there's a delay, as I said in my blog, its because of having to take care of some RL issues. Now that the weekend's arrived, I should be more free throughout the daytime and be able to give more timely responses.
I'll get back to you as soon as I can, appreciate your patience.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
713
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Posted - 2012.02.11 07:01:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: IGÇÖll pick on Seleene this round,
Based on everything I've read in your platform, I think we'd agree on much more than we disagree on. At the least, I'm sure bridges could be built, but this is campaign season so let's do this!
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: though by the election I'm sure I'll have something to say about all my opponents in the race (thats how these things work). Seleene is most certainly an EvE veteran, to the core - serving in all three capacities: As a player, as a CSM, and as a CCP developer. The problem is, he's still speaking about issues that he clearly doesn't understand. Take some of his recent responses to a questionnaire: "I think that FW and null-sec sov could, and probably should, have some commonalities with regard to capture mechanics" "Any proper iteration on FW is going to require a fundamental re-work of how players interact with NPC factions." Seriously?? If I were Seleene, and wasn't particularly active in Faction Warfare, I would decline to comment rather than just make statements that show a clear lack of understanding about the players that engage in that activity.
Well, I guess one way to explain my opinion on this is, seeing as how I sat right next to CCP Greyscale when FW was being implemented (he did most of the work on it), I think I've got a fair handle on where FW was supposed to end up versus what it's languished as over the years. It's really one of the great tragedies of EVE what a step-child FW has been. That being said, you've singled out two statements so let's look at them.
The first is a pretty general answer / opinion and I made it because of the way that game mechanics tend to evolve. My answer was made because I believe it reflected what is most likely to take place and how I believe we'll get the most bang for our buck so to speak. It's highly doubtful that you are going to see CCP invest significant resources into improving two completely different, parallel territory systems. They are going to look for ways to use their resources most efficiently so it only makes sense that as they finally start to iterate on FW that those guys will also be involved in peer review of any null-sec sov changes and vice-versa.
As for the second statement you quoted, I can't really see how or why you wouldn't want improved NPC interactions in FW. I mean, do you want the way you deal with the NPC Empires to remain exactly as they are now? Don't you want those opportunities and processes to evolve and improve? v0v Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7
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Posted - 2012.02.11 11:12:00 -
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To be fair: Almost everything in Eve ties into the NPC system in some way, very few areas can claim that they are "free" from that. It has long been a dream of mine that CCP expand on the capabilities of the factions, but it will require they spend what will probably be a lot of time rehashing the standings system to achieve it. It is in my opinion something that should be championed by everyone due to the fact that everyone will benefit from a better NPC system.
To be less fair: Problem I have with the "Sov vs. FW" answer quoted is that the notion it is likely one of the main reasons why CCP has gotten the idea that FW should/could be used as a guinea pig for revamping Sov (ref: December minutes). It gives the impression that everything not-null is there merely to cater to null in one way or another, which is why a lot of us in FW threw a fit when we read the minutes. As for them having commonalities .. not with each other per se, but I can certainly see the Incursion system being co-opted and becoming part of both .. so in that way they can share some features.
Being there when it was designed gives you knowledge of how it was designed/intended, but as with all things Eve .. stuff happens when things goes 'live' and independent unforeseen dynamics often pop up (ie. reading a book does not automatically give understanding of content of said book). |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
243
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Posted - 2012.02.11 12:42:00 -
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Seleene wrote:(...)
Well, I guess one way to explain my opinion on this is, seeing as how I sat right next to CCP Greyscale when FW was being implemented (he did most of the work on it), I think I've got a fair handle on where FW was supposed to end up versus what it's languished as over the years.(...)
To be fair, CCP and by extension the CSM should care about what players do, rather than try and push on them what to do according to CCP or the CSM.
FW should be fixed to do what FW people wants it to do. CCP already had a chance to do it their way and it ended FUBAR. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2858
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Posted - 2012.02.11 13:53:00 -
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It's hugely encouraging to see an empire space-focused candidate who isn't a horrible "make the nasty men go away daddy" style carebear panderer. A balanced, PvP-aware outlook, with a focus on player-driven mechanics is urgently required to reverse the tide of lazy, damaging whiney calls for NPCs to solve all problems.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
736
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Posted - 2012.02.11 14:38:00 -
[274] - Quote
Veshta Yoshida wrote:To be fair: Almost everything in Eve ties into the NPC system in some way, very few areas can claim that they are "free" from that. It has long been a dream of mine that CCP expand on the capabilities of the factions, but it will require they spend what will probably be a lot of time rehashing the standings system to achieve it. It is in my opinion something that should be championed by everyone due to the fact that everyone will benefit from a better NPC system.
You and I are in total agreement. I've made several post in my Q&A thread on this very issue.
Veshta Yoshida wrote:To be less fair: Problem I have with the "Sov vs. FW" answer quoted is that the notion it is likely one of the main reasons why CCP has gotten the idea that FW should/could be used as a guinea pig for revamping Sov (ref: December minutes). It gives the impression that everything not-null is there merely to cater to null in one way or another, which is why a lot of us in FW threw a fit when we read the minutes.
Yes, and I've been pretty vocal about how I'm not really a fan of that. I don't see either system evolving completely independent of the other and have no desire to see any mechanic in eve be a 'guinea pig' for another.
Veshta Yoshida wrote:As for them having commonalities .. not with each other per se, but I can certainly see the Incursion system being co-opted and becoming part of both .. so in that way they can share some features.
Something like this is just as likely as anything else. CCP is going to look at all of the various systems and figure out what would work best where, then find a way to have them all work together seamlessly. At least that's ~the dream~.
Veshta Yoshida wrote:Being there when it was designed gives you knowledge of how it was designed/intended, but as with all things Eve .. stuff happens when things goes 'live' and independent unforeseen dynamics often pop up (ie. reading a book does not automatically give understanding of content of said book).
That's completely fair to say and, as I said to Hans, I think he and I would agree on much more than we disagreed on. Different perspectives are needed, that's why there's not just a one man CSM. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Maz3r Rakum
The Imperial Fedaykin
10
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Posted - 2012.02.11 16:06:00 -
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Keep up the hard works Hans. You have my vote. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
257
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Posted - 2012.02.11 17:50:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Well, I guess one way to explain my opinion on this is, seeing as how I sat right next to CCP Greyscale when FW was being implemented (he did most of the work on it), I think I've got a fair handle on where FW was supposed to end up versus what it's languished as over the years. It's really one of the great tragedies of EVE what a step-child FW has been. That being said, you've singled out two statements so let's look at them.
Selene First let me say thank you for posting in this thread in a constructive way. I voted for you and I think you can be a real asset to ccp and the players.
Two points on what you say here:
1) If you know about faction war by sitting next to greyscale etc, where it was supposed to be etc. and think its a tragey that it wasn't worked on then why did you never seem to push for it in your term? Why didn't you engage the fw community more? Your failure to do this and your suggestion that it should be turned into a testbed for null sec send a message that you don't think the failure to work on fw was a "tragedy" at all. In fact it suggests you think it was a minor problem.
2) This may actually answer the first question for you. But what faction war was intended to be in 2008 may no longer be relevant to what it should be now. For example it seems the original plans for fw had npcs/rats playing a considerable role. But now Eve has many new ways for people to play the game if they want to shoot rats. They now have sleepers and incursions etc. So the niche of players who want more ways to shoot red xs seem to have gotten some love. But the players who want more small scale pvp have not had their needs addressed.
So when you say this:
Seleene wrote: As for the second statement you quoted, I can't really see how or why you wouldn't want improved NPC interactions in FW. I mean, do you want the way you deal with the NPC Empires to remain exactly as they are now? Don't you want those opportunities and processes to evolve and improve? v0v
It seems if people want to interact with npcs more they can already do it allot of different ways in eve. Most fw players are now looking for small scale pvp not pve.
Seleene wrote: The first is a pretty general answer / opinion and I made it because of the way that game mechanics tend to evolve. My answer was made because I believe it reflected what is most likely to take place and how I believe we'll get the most bang for our buck so to speak. It's highly doubtful that you are going to see CCP invest significant resources into improving two completely different, parallel territory systems. They are going to look for ways to use their resources most efficiently so it only makes sense that as they finally start to iterate on FW that those guys will also be involved in peer review of any null-sec sov changes and vice-versa.
I think your talking about using fw as a test bed. Where I disagree with your thinking here is you seem to assume that there is a single perfect mechanic that ccp should strive for. But there isn't. Different players want different things in this game.
Some want politics and think eve politics are great. Others think they are lame. Some think spying is great others think spying in eve is lame. There is no right or wrong answer here any more than its right to say people should like baseball more than football. If we change the rules of baseball to be a testbed for new football rules how do you think baseball fans will feel? (Actually thinking about that it might be pretty fun but I hope you still get my point.)
Now you say they need to conserve resources. Well I tend to disagree. If they want to grow this game they need to develop the game for several different playerbases. Null sec is for the more hard core players who can deal with a high maintance computer game. Low sec and fw should be for a more casual player who loves the single shard nature of eve and loves the consequences that come with pvp but can't commit the real life time. I really think abandoning the second group to conserve resources to chase after the first group is bass ackwards. The second group will probably yield a much larger number of players.
But there is another reason that resource efficiency argument is unpersuasive. FW is almost there! ItGÇÖs really very close to being awesome. It wonGÇÖt take allot of resources. I never met anyone who has really been able to pvp using the plex mechanics who doesnGÇÖt see its great potential. Yeah there are issues but people who have tried it can see how it can be awesome. ItGÇÖs just not generating *enough* of the pvp we love. It needs iterations not abandonment in favor of something that might work in null sec.
Spending time on fw is not the same as spending time on WIS that really has no gameplay. FW has great gameplay if they get it working. It is a Maserati that currently doesnGÇÖt run because it needs some gas and a few new sparkplugs. After that ccp should give it oil changes every 30k miles. But donGÇÖt replace it with some sort of Caterpillar tractor that you think the null sec players might want.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Scalar Angulargf
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2012.02.11 18:57:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Addenda: WTF is "GCC"? ALWAYS DEFINE JARGON!!
If GCC is still jargon to you after a year and a half in the game it is sad. You shouldn't be voting. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1232
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Posted - 2012.02.11 20:16:00 -
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Thank you again for the great questions Iam, I'll tackle them one at a time here. First, regarding module deactivation in large high sec fleet engagements, I agree that it doesn't makes much sense for a fleet to have its cap chain dismantled every time it engages a new target, if it is already under aggression or involved in a legitimate war dec situation.
On the subject of ECM, I can only speak as to how it affects the scale of warfare I most frequently engage in: subcapital warfare ranging from 1-30 pilots on each side. In my experience, ECM hasn't been a major breaking factor, in that the fragility of ECM boats and the "primary" factor have been enough of a deterrent so that they aren't out of control. I am sensitive though to changes regarding ECM that might be breaking game play elsewhere, and would certainly consider options that make ECM more fair for everyone that plays the game. I know many are frustrated with ECM drone power, that would be something worthy of discussion.
I should clarify that I have no qualms with PvP occuring in high sec space, disdain isn't an appropriate word to describe how I feel. EvE does involve war that touches every pilot, and that includes those that live in high sec. However, with two other regions primarily offering mechanics that allow for more PvP with less legal interference, I feel that pilots seeking abundant PvP should be seeking it in low and null sec, not in high sec. I envision the ideal role for High sec PvP focus on security, meaning retribution for criminal activity through transferrable kill rights and paid bounties, and dispute resolution between corps and alliances that live and work in the region. Low sec should be enhanced to house the bulk of PvP that exists for profit (piracy) or sport (Faction Warfare).
Regarding orca swapping, I am firmly of the belief that assisting a flashy pilot in high security space through an orca swap should render the orca the same flashy status, plain and simple. Orcas should NOT be Brutix delivery services, they should not be a means to assist bait tactics, and they should vulnerable if the pilot they are allowing to swap ships is vulnerable. If a pilot commits to assisting a PvP player in any practical fashion, he is part of the PvP action and should be treated the same as the one engaged in PvP.
When I suggested using monetary means to stave off war, conceptually what I support is that players that seek passive activities such as mining, industry, and trade, should have more tools at their disposal to use financial means to combat aggressive war decs. Yes, simply allowing a defensive corp to pay more to increase the cost to the declaring corp is a solution that favors wealthy corps, and would be insufficient on its own to defend smaller corps. I did not intend to suggest it as the sole solution to high sec war decs.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1232
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Posted - 2012.02.11 20:50:00 -
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Seleene wrote:It's highly doubtful that you are going to see CCP invest significant resources into improving two completely different, parallel territory systems. They are going to look for ways to use their resources most efficiently so it only makes sense that as they finally start to iterate on FW that those guys will also be involved in peer review of any null-sec sov changes and vice-versa.
This is an excellent point of discussion, I'm glad you brought it up. I agree completely that the feasibility of a solution to a broken system should be of utmost consideration when considering how to invest valuable development resources.
Most of us in the Faction Warfare community believe strongly in the merit of the original design with regards to plexing. Plexing, with the ability to limit the size of an engagement to fight blobs and encourage diverse ship use, is great. The main problem facing the decline of Faction Warfare as I see it lies not the capture mechanics themselves, it is in the motivation to participate. Rewards are not directly linked to capture or PvP mechanics, they are delegated to a PvE side-show ripe with alt farming that denigrates the income of those that are there to participate in PvP.
This is what greatly concerns me when I hear about "territory systems" being overhauled. Removing or overhauling the original plex system in favor of a new system that might be used elsewhere would be a tremendous waste of time and energy, if thats not what the current playerbase values or is asking for. It also carries a strong risk of subscription loss, since most of the Faction Warfare pilots I know are strongly attracted to the PvP opportunities plexing offers conceptually, if not in execution.
There are creative ideas being floated for replacement systems of course, whether they are related to null sec sovereignty, or a a more incursion-style scenario. However, the more I've gotten to know the thousands of existing militia pilots I can confidently say that the majority do not require that scale of overhaul to be satisfied. If we are to save the most resources with regards to Faction Warfare GÇô we need to listen to the players, whose solutions tend to be much simpler than anything we've heard so far from the developers or the sitting CSM.
Quote:As for the second statement you quoted, I can't really see how or why you wouldn't want improved NPC interactions in FW. I mean, do you want the way you deal with the NPC Empires to remain exactly as they are now? Don't you want those opportunities and processes to evolve and improve? v0v
The bottom line is that the the overwhelming majority of Faction Warfare pilots enlist for the PvP opportunities, and want to interact with other players, not with the computer. I think you would have to clarify what it is you mean exactly by "improved NPC interactions in FW"
Are you speaking about the NPC's in space, such as the AI systems that NPC'S in plexes or missions utilize? Or the agent system we use to pull missions? I think we'd have to talk about a specific NPC change before I could share my thoughts on how the current Faction Warfare community would respond to such a change.
For example, one of the changes I've frequently proposed would be to allow Faction-occupied stations to fire upon players of the opposing faction. This would allow for some greater consequence to be added to the occupancy of a system, and could be considered an 'improved NPC interaction' depending on what you mean by that. |
Kaver Linkovir
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.02.11 22:47:00 -
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Seleene wrote: It's highly doubtful that you are going to see CCP invest significant resources into improving two completely different, parallel territory systems. They are going to look for ways to use their resources most efficiently so it only makes sense that as they finally start to iterate on FW that those guys will also be involved in peer review of any null-sec sov changes and vice-versa.
We have seen CCP develope and abandon feature after feature like a child with too many toys. I don't care what CCP is most likely to do nor do I care for crystal ball gazing on what they are likely to do. The CCP track record is abominable when it comes down to deciding where CCP allocates their resources. A blind person throwing darts at a gaggle of CCP developers screaming idears would have had a better chance of getting it right. I am willing to bet all my Aurum on that.
Without people on the CSM willing to set the bar high, how can we ever expect CCP to deliver anything close to a playable product?
Simply stating it is unlikely they will take the efford scares me comming from somebody on all three sides of the fence. What also freaks me out is that current CSM members seem to think everything can be "solved" by some grand new and untested as well as undeveloped blanket solution. Painting everything in space with the same brush will simply make for a bland and washed out whole instead of distinctly different regions of space.
I want diversity, not some supramacist's dream on how everyone should adhere to their version of the ultimate endgame. If I wanted to fly the goose step in a mandatory fit I will fly somewhere where that would be required of me.
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Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation
5
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Posted - 2012.02.11 23:33:00 -
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I try to hold out as long as possible (that's what she said) when it comes to political rhetoric and campaigning. I have learned that throwing your support towards someone publicly too early can and often times lead to a misstep. You think the candidate "is" what you are looking for then things develop and change.
I blogged about my willingness to support someone who was willing to work on behalf of the low sec community and continue to stand behind that. While I am a nobody in the game I stand by my convictions, my interest in this game, and those who have the same views as myself. While I agree there is much to be improved and explored in all facets of Eve I want to keep my support close to home.
I will continue to monitor all channels of communication regarding the CSM candidates but at this time I am heavily leaning towards supporting Hans with every vote I have personally as well as every vote I can garner to pull his way. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
208
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Posted - 2012.02.11 23:40:00 -
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Kaver Linkovir wrote:
I want diversity, not some supramacist's dream on how everyone should adhere to their version of the ultimate endgame. If I wanted to fly the goose step in a mandatory fit I will fly somewhere where that would be required of me.
^^This. Mother of all Gods, THIS!!!
(I'd "like" this post 1000 times if I could. As well: Hans Jagerblitzen for...CSM7 Chairman? Hey, why not? Seriously, why freakin' not?)
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7! (Mittens, you may not want to admit it, but your day in the sun is over. Next!)
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Mystical Might
The Imperial Fedaykin
76
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Posted - 2012.02.12 00:00:00 -
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Militias Most Hated Supports This Product And/Or Service. Hanz For CZM. |
Sandman Contra
Amarrian Retribution
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 00:05:00 -
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I support Jagerblitzen for CSM. It's about time we had some real representation out there. |
SuckBrickKid
Toilet Seat Crack Addicts
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 00:06:00 -
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You have my vote |
Lost InCogneto
Amarrian Retribution
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 00:11:00 -
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You have my guns in your sights and my vote Hans.
Give them whats for. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
805
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Posted - 2012.02.12 00:20:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Two points on what you say here:
1) If you know about faction war by sitting next to greyscale etc, where it was supposed to be etc. and think its a tragey that it wasn't worked on then why did you never seem to push for it in your term? Why didn't you engage the fw community more? Your failure to do this and your suggestion that it should be turned into a testbed for null sec send a message that you don't think the failure to work on fw was a "tragedy" at all. In fact it suggests you think it was a minor problem.
No, I don't think it was a 'minor problem', but I do think that there were bigger fish to fry for a large part of CSM 6's term. There was simply no way to push a FW re-vamp amidst the absolute chaos that CCP brought upon themselves last year. Bear this in mind - CCP actually went through with release planning last August and then COMPLETELY SCRAPPED IT just a few weeks later. In the time they had left to them, CCP committed to picking all the low-hanging fruit they could in order to salvage the Winter while they internally re-organized.
Now... I know that people who are passionate about this issue will say, "BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE TRIED!" Guys, seriously, pretty much every member of CSM 6 agrees that FW needs love; it's a known fact but it was never going to happen in last year's toxic spill of crazy.
Cearain wrote:2) This may actually answer the first question for you. But what faction war was intended to be in 2008 may no longer be relevant to what it should be now. For example it seems the original plans for fw had npcs/rats playing a considerable role. But now Eve has many new ways for people to play the game if they want to shoot rats. They now have sleepers and incursions etc. So the niche of players who want more ways to shoot red xs seem to have gotten some love. But the players who want more small scale pvp have not had their needs addressed.
Absolutely. I see it as a similar situation to what happened when CCP first introduced Alliances. Players started doing it on their own, so CCP stepped in and provided an in-game mechanic that formalized and supported it. I've already acquiesced to the fact that anything done has to take into account that players have been doing the best they could with the content they had for the better part of 3-4 years now.
Cearain wrote:So when you say this: Seleene wrote: As for the second statement you quoted, I can't really see how or why you wouldn't want improved NPC interactions in FW. I mean, do you want the way you deal with the NPC Empires to remain exactly as they are now? Don't you want those opportunities and processes to evolve and improve? v0v
It seems if people want to interact with npcs more they can already do it allot of different ways in eve. Most fw players are now looking for small scale pvp not pve.
No, m8 - I want to see NPCs evolve to a point where they actively encourage players to murder each other through new rewards, recognition, campaign ribbons, HATS, whatever. Nothing to do with PVE.
Cearain wrote:Spending time on fw is not the same as spending time on WIS that really has no gameplay. FW has great gameplay if they get it working. It is a Maserati that currently doesnGÇÖt run because it needs some gas and a few new sparkplugs. After that ccp should give it oil changes every 30k miles. But donGÇÖt replace it with some sort of Caterpillar tractor that you think the null sec players might want.
That seems perfectly legit to me. Here is the thing that bothers me - because of whatever reason, there seems to be this perception that CSM 6 as a whole, or certain members of CSM 6...or CCP or the Wolf Man or whoever is out to ruin the day by doing nasty experiments. I just didn't get that impression during the meetings with CCP and that's not how I feel either. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
805
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Posted - 2012.02.12 00:21:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:There are creative ideas being floated for replacement systems of course, whether they are related to null sec sovereignty, or a a more incursion-style scenario. However, the more I've gotten to know the thousands of existing militia pilots I can confidently say that the majority do not require that scale of overhaul to be satisfied. If we are to save the most resources with regards to Faction Warfare GÇô we need to listen to the players, whose solutions tend to be much simpler than anything we've heard so far from the developers or the sitting CSM.
Hans, I couldn't agree more m8. But, once again, I'm just not getting where this sense of ~persecution~ is coming from. I agree with your approach - I don't want to see CCP just slap some random **** together without talking to the players either, but I don't get the sense that's going to happen this year. I know historically that it's not always been the case but I think, (metaphor incoming!) after a long night that there's some light on the horizon and you'll find that you have many more allies than enemies on the current CSM and at CCP.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Quote:As for the second statement you quoted, I can't really see how or why you wouldn't want improved NPC interactions in FW. I mean, do you want the way you deal with the NPC Empires to remain exactly as they are now? Don't you want those opportunities and processes to evolve and improve? v0v The bottom line is that the the overwhelming majority of Faction Warfare pilots enlist for the PvP opportunities, and want to interact with other players, not with the computer. I think you would have to clarify what it is you mean exactly by "improved NPC interactions in FW" Are you speaking about the NPC's in space, such as the AI systems that NPC'S in plexes or missions utilize? Or the agent system we use to pull missions? I think we'd have to talk about a specific NPC change before I could share my thoughts on how the current Faction Warfare community would respond to such a change. For example, one of the changes I've frequently proposed would be to allow Faction-occupied stations to fire upon players of the opposing faction. This would allow for some greater consequence to be added to the occupancy of a system, and could be considered an 'improved NPC interaction' depending on what you mean by that.
I want to see WAR, Hans. Full out, NPC faction approved, sponsored and rewarded WAR. I touched on this in an answer above and what you describe seems along the same line. I want your standings to mean something, I want to see the militia ranks transcend into something more meaningful (and be harder / more rewarding to achieve). I'd like to see faithful service in the line of fire rewarded.
Let me ask you a question, and there's a bit of RP to it - I read and actually enjoyed Tony Gonzalez's book, 'The Empyrean Age'. The idea of immortal pod pilots doing the bidding of the Empires (or any other major NPC faction) was pretty damn cool. When you sign on to a militia, what type of experience would you prefer to have? Does achieving rank and having a solid military structure mean anything to you or do you prefer the, "******* point me at them!" violence where you just GET PAID with no other hassles? Do you not care at all for dealing with the factions and just want to be a legalized pirate in the eyes of the Caldari State, etc...?
What if each of the four major empires, or someone like the Serpentis / Angel Cartel offered something a bit different in terms of how they dealt with their pod pilot fighters? What if the NPC interactions (agents, militia missions, whatever) led directly to increased PVP violence? I want to see players free to do as they choose, but I'd also like to see some actual choices / consequences inserted into the mix.
Anyway, I'm just a visitor in your thread and like talking about this stuff. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1250
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Posted - 2012.02.12 00:51:00 -
[289] - Quote
Seleene wrote:Anyway, I'm just a visitor in your thread and like talking about this stuff.
No no, I'm totally glad you stopped by, this is great for the voters to hear. Ask me anything you'd like!
I hope I never implied I wanted to limit the potential for all that Faction Warfare can be, I'm merely trying to be sensitive to the order in which these things are done. I've been honking the "rank is meaningless" horn for a long time myself, so we both envision a lot more for the feature than exists.
My primary concern has always been with the decreased activity levels the warzone as scene year after year. I think all the bells and whistles should come, but they should come once the core motivational concerns are addressed and enough player interest exists to justify adding a lot more development into the future. That was my objection to the "remove all high sec navy" idea tossed out by Soundwave, because I feel you need to drive activity level first, than expand FW's overall scope. Otherwise, you risk stretching an already-strained player community even thinner.
It sounds kind of counterintuitive, but I think right now should be about making FW a bit smaller, rather than larger. Hats are great, but the pilots I know want the fights more than the hats. I think that even if changes like moving LP rewards to plexing victory shrinks the battlefield somewhat (because players make their money and fight each other using the same activity), you actually benefit the community by making the PvP more fun and accessible. Getting people moving again, than taking the time to spread them back out, is really important to most of us who engage in Faction Warfare under current conditions.
Thanks again for the good conversation! I hope the voters find it valuable as well. |
Capitol One
Wolfsbrigade
7
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Posted - 2012.02.12 00:58:00 -
[290] - Quote
You have my support :) |
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
76
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Posted - 2012.02.12 01:04:00 -
[291] - Quote
Seleene wrote::words:words:words:
Seleene is a smart guy, and if I wasn't voting for Hans, I'd be voting for him again.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
221
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Posted - 2012.02.12 01:36:00 -
[292] - Quote
Would you consider a way for people to drop in and out of faction warfare easily?
For those more casual PvPers. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities. |
Kaver Linkovir
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
29
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Posted - 2012.02.12 01:40:00 -
[293] - Quote
Steve Ronuken wrote:Would you consider a way for people to drop in and out of faction warfare easily?
For those more casual PvPers.
It already works like that, especially if all you do is PvP. The real standing hits are related to Faction Warfare missioning, shooting "the enemy" only hurts standing much if they are red crosses (NPC), not if they are orange stars (FW enemy).
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Mystical Might
The Imperial Fedaykin
77
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Posted - 2012.02.12 01:40:00 -
[294] - Quote
Steve Ronuken wrote:Would you consider a way for people to drop in and out of faction warfare easily?
For those more casual PvPers.
It's easy to drop in and out of faction warfare, provided you have .5 standing. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
257
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Posted - 2012.02.12 02:24:00 -
[295] - Quote
Harrigan VonStudly wrote:I try to hold out as long as possible (that's what she said) when it comes to political rhetoric and campaigning. I have learned that throwing your support towards someone publicly too early can and often times lead to a misstep. You think the candidate "is" what you are looking for then things develop and change.
I blogged about my willingness to support someone who was willing to work on behalf of the low sec community and continue to stand behind that. While I am a nobody in the game I stand by my convictions, my interest in this game, and those who have the same views as myself. While I agree there is much to be improved and explored in all facets of Eve I want to keep my support close to home.
I will continue to monitor all channels of communication regarding the CSM candidates but at this time I am heavily leaning towards supporting Hans with every vote I have personally as well as every vote I can garner to pull his way.
Sensible view that you have.
I would also encourage you to look at what the candidates have done before "campaign time" as well. I actually wonder if some of the candidates knew were these boards were before a week ago - but whatever.
With respect to hans you may want to take a look at the faction war thread he started in eve general as sort of a case in point of how he works. Faction war has always been a hotbed of argument and bitter disagreement when it comes to how it should be adjusted. Over the years, untold number of fw threads have ended with warring parties shouting accusations at eachother with no real progress made.
I think you will see that Hans really worked to keep players focused on what they want and what can help faction war.
I think you will also find that the vast majority of the people who were hung up on disagreements with others in that thread are here supporting hans. That speaks volumes for his inclination and ability to really get to the common things people want and express it.
But really see for yourself. See what the candidates actually have done to try to find out what players want and interact with them. Not just what they claim they will do come election month. The forums have allot of issues but one nice thing about them is you can see past posts from people.
Hans really worked with and listened to players and now has 20 pages of great ideas for low sec and high sec, that he can bring to ccp if he is elected. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
562
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Posted - 2012.02.12 03:23:00 -
[296] - Quote
I'm going to come out here and say it: from my long, long experience with PVP and 'griefing' in high security space, I disagree outright with every single one of your points, and do not believe you have fully considered the ramifications of your suggestions.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I should clarify that I have no qualms with PvP occuring in high sec space, disdain isn't an appropriate word to describe how I feel. EvE does involve war that touches every pilot, and that includes those that live in high sec. However, with two other regions primarily offering mechanics that allow for more PvP with less legal interference, I feel that pilots seeking abundant PvP should be seeking it in low and null sec, not in high sec. I envision the ideal role for High sec PvP focus on security, meaning retribution for criminal activity through transferrable kill rights and paid bounties, and dispute resolution between corps and alliances that live and work in the region. Low sec should be enhanced to house the bulk of PvP that exists for profit (piracy) or sport (Faction Warfare). The entire intent of wars in hisec is to provide an envirionment of limited engagement scope. In nullsec, everything goes, and pilots can pile into fights by the hundreds regardless of their alignment. In lowsec, it's really no different. Only in hisec can you engage in a war and know for sure that there are a limited number of people, at any given time, who could come to kill you. I believe that clarifying these boundaries and giving more warning to who will be joining the fight and when (eliminating corp-hopping while preventing people from instantly ailing out of their besieged corporation) is the answer. You sound like you want to get rid of wars completely, you don't even mention them. This is a terrible idea.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Regarding orca swapping, I am firmly of the belief that assisting a flashy pilot in high security space through an orca swap should render the orca the same flashy status, plain and simple. Orcas should NOT be Brutix delivery services, they should not be a means to assist bait tactics, and they should vulnerable if the pilot they are allowing to swap ships is vulnerable. If a pilot commits to assisting a PvP player in any practical fashion, he is part of the PvP action and should be treated the same as the one engaged in PvP. This is also a very bad idea. The reason that PlayerName and friends were able to destroy DOZENS OF BILLIONS OF ISK in a few short days in incursions is that tricking people into assisting you in a "fight" is very easy. this were to go through, people will develop a more and more paranoid atmosphere as more and more ganks occur. It's easy to swap out at someone's Orca without asking, it's easy to get into a fight while you're getting boosts from someone's leadership alt, and these would be some AMAZINGLY open choices for getting ganks. I know, because that's what I'd do. DO NOT DO THIS.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:When I suggested using monetary means to stave off war, conceptually what I support is that players that seek passive activities such as mining, industry, and trade, should have more tools at their disposal to use financial means to combat aggressive war decs. Yes, simply allowing a defensive corp to pay more to increase the cost to the declaring corp is a solution that favors wealthy corps, and would be insufficient on its own to defend smaller corps. I did not intend to suggest it as the sole solution to high sec war decs. You seem unaware of the fact that people who engage in hisec PVP intentionally often have FAR stronger sources of income than their targets, which is what enables them to engage in the expensive activities of PVP in the first place. Plus, this means that larger corporations that would actually be able to defend themselves effectively if they tried can more easily afford to pay out of the problem -- meaning that only corporations who end up having wars of a length worth speaking of are the ones that are unable to defend themselves, turning wars in hisec into a farce of grief that drive people out of the game. This is a very bad mechanic.
I hope you will consider and understand what I am saying. Representing experience and reason in CSM 7 |
Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.02.12 04:57:00 -
[297] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Seleene wrote:Anyway, I'm just a visitor in your thread and like talking about this stuff. No no, I'm totally glad you stopped by, this is great for the voters to hear. Ask me anything you'd like! I hope I never implied I wanted to limit the potential for all that Faction Warfare can be, I'm merely trying to be sensitive to the order in which these things are done. I've been honking the "rank is meaningless" horn for a long time myself, so we both envision a lot more for the feature than exists. My primary concern has always been with the decreased activity levels the warzone as scene year after year. I think all the bells and whistles should come, but they should come once the core motivational concerns are addressed and enough player interest exists to justify adding a lot more development into the future. That was my objection to the "remove all high sec navy" idea tossed out by Soundwave, because I feel you need to drive activity level first, than expand FW's overall scope. Otherwise, you risk stretching an already-strained player community even thinner. It sounds kind of counterintuitive, but I think right now should be about making FW a bit smaller, rather than larger. Hats are great, but the pilots I know want the fights more than the hats. I think that even if changes like moving LP rewards to plexing victory shrinks the battlefield somewhat (because players make their money and fight each other using the same activity), you actually benefit the community by making the PvP more fun and accessible. Getting people moving again, than taking the time to spread them back out, is really important to most of us who engage in Faction Warfare under current conditions. Thanks again for the good conversation! I hope the voters find it valuable as well. I did find it valuable and learned a few new things about how FW should be implemented. Thanks to both of you! |
Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.02.12 05:01:00 -
[298] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:When I suggested using monetary means to stave off war, conceptually what I support is that players that seek passive activities such as mining, industry, and trade, should have more tools at their disposal to use financial means to combat aggressive war decs. Yes, simply allowing a defensive corp to pay more to increase the cost to the declaring corp is a solution that favors wealthy corps, and would be insufficient on its own to defend smaller corps. I did not intend to suggest it as the sole solution to high sec war decs.
Iam Widdershins wrote:You seem unaware of the fact that people who engage in hisec PVP intentionally often have FAR stronger sources of income than their targets, which is what enables them to engage in the expensive activities of PVP in the first place. Plus, this means that larger corporations that would actually be able to defend themselves effectively if they tried can more easily afford to pay out of the problem -- meaning that only corporations who end up having wars of a length worth speaking of are the ones that are unable to defend themselves, turning wars in hisec into a farce of grief that drive people out of the game. This is a very bad mechanic.
I hope you will consider and understand what I am saying. I would just like to point out his last sentence in the paragraph that you quoted.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I did not intend to suggest it as the sole solution to high sec war decs. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
13
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Posted - 2012.02.12 05:30:00 -
[299] - Quote
Seleene wrote:...Anyway, I'm just a visitor in your thread and like talking about this stuff. So say we all
Joyitii wrote:I did find it valuable and learned a few new things about how FW should be implemented. Thanks to both of you! If you want more then there is 3 years worth of adult and often reasoned discussions in the various "Fix FW" threads .. ideas for fixes have been boiled down some, but they were as numerous as the stars to begin with |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
564
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Posted - 2012.02.12 07:19:00 -
[300] - Quote
Joyitii wrote:I would just like to point out his last sentence in the paragraph that you quoted. Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I did not intend to suggest it as the sole solution to high sec war decs. Yes, but he did suggest it as PART of a solution for hisec wardecs, when it would in fact only serve to exacerbate a problem that already concerns a lot of people.
If you want to pay your way out of a war, you should talk to the people you're fighting against.
For further explanation, I would like to point out some sentences of my own, if you are up for reading them this time:
Iam Widdershins wrote:...larger corporations that would actually be able to defend themselves effectively if they tried can more easily afford to pay out of the problem -- meaning that only corporations who end up having wars of a length worth speaking of are the ones that are unable to defend themselves, turning wars in hisec into a farce of grief that drive people out of the game. Representing experience and reason in CSM 7 |
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MinutemanKirk
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
4
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Posted - 2012.02.12 07:49:00 -
[301] - Quote
Quote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Regarding orca swapping, I am firmly of the belief that assisting a flashy pilot in high security space through an orca swap should render the orca the same flashy status, plain and simple. Orcas should NOT be Brutix delivery services, they should not be a means to assist bait tactics, and they should vulnerable if the pilot they are allowing to swap ships is vulnerable. If a pilot commits to assisting a PvP player in any practical fashion, he is part of the PvP action and should be treated the same as the one engaged in PvP. This is also a very bad idea. The reason that PlayerName and friends were able to destroy DOZENS OF BILLIONS OF ISK in a few short days in incursions is that tricking people into assisting you in a "fight" is very easy. this were to go through, people will develop a more and more paranoid atmosphere as more and more ganks occur. It's easy to swap out at someone's Orca without asking, it's easy to get into a fight while you're getting boosts from someone's leadership alt, and these would be some AMAZINGLY open choices for getting ganks. I know, because that's what I'd do. DO NOT DO THIS. I find it terribly amusing that a self proclaimed "griefer" thinks it's a bad idea to make it (supposedly) easier to get ganks. :)
I don't think that he is talking about a neutral orca offering services to random nubs (or the reverse), I think he is talking more in line with a grief or PvP corp using said orca to base ships out of/repair/protect and use in their attack/gank/grief and be able to do so without penalty. You should know.... Quote:"...because that's what I'd do."
You don't want a "paranoid atmosphere" because (I am assuming) that you think it will hurt gameplay? Get real, you need to find a different game then because from market and isk scams to "hey warp to me for a cool kill" tricks, if someone ISN'T paranoid to some extent in Eve they will lose something sooner or later. Maybe even enough to give them Quote:"a farce of grief that drive people out of the game." Seems awfully hypocritical to be so "concerned" that grief might drive them out when you make your occupation by giving others grief. |
frankk1
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 08:01:00 -
[302] - Quote
good luck |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
569
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Posted - 2012.02.12 08:42:00 -
[303] - Quote
MinutemanKirk wrote:I don't think that he is talking about a neutral orca offering services to random nubs (or the reverse), I think he is talking more in line with a grief or PvP corp using said orca to base ships out of/repair/protect and use in their attack/gank/grief and be able to do so without penalty. You should know.... Quote:"...because that's what I'd do." And you should know that those two things are one and the same. I'm not sure how you don't see it.
MinutemanKirk wrote:I find it terribly amusing that a self proclaimed "griefer" thinks it's a bad idea to make it (supposedly) easier to get ganks. :) Maybe you should find it more telling than amusing. If you stopped for a minute to think about what was being discussed you might have an understanding.
If you read anything that I wrote, you'd know that it is not my goal to kill as many things as possible without having to try too hard, but to make the game better. If you actually do think it is suspicious that I would want to fix broken mechanics that allow people to die with no warning, then I have no idea what the hell you're doing here.
MinutemanKirk wrote:Seems awfully hypocritical to be so "concerned" that grief might drive them out when you make your occupation by giving others grief. If you stop for ten seconds to give it some actual thought, you may note that if nobody else plays the game any more, I don't have a game to come back to either. Representing experience and reason in CSM 7 |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
13
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Posted - 2012.02.12 09:23:00 -
[304] - Quote
Iam Widdershins wrote:If you want to pay your way out of a war, you should talk to the people you're fighting against.... In other words: "Protection rackets". Pay your way out of aggression from people with no interest beyond your wallet .. wonder if that could be incorporated into a revision of the high-sec wardec system where desired goals are stated up front (think contracts, killrights, bounties). The people negatively affected have little/no interest in the politics or finer points of Eve (ie. casuals) and declarations against them will inevitably be construed as griefing .. allow for protection arrangements through use of in-game 'paperwork' and the griefer corps get to wage wars among themselves for access/control of the more lucrative systems (gang/turf wars).
As for the bazillion ISK destroyed by tricking random people in incursions .. PUG's (Pick Up Groups/Gangs) have been utter crap in all games, across all genres .. I would have been genuinely surprised if PUG's in Eve was any different.
The reason why I personally abhor the Orca-swap is that it goes against the design philosophy of Eve by providing rewards with no risk .. that sort of thing simply has no place in Eve if you ask me.
PS: Wasn't the Orca-swap patched out and/or declared an exploit some time ago or did CCP chicken out?
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Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.02.12 10:06:00 -
[305] - Quote
Iam Widdershins wrote:Joyitii wrote:I would just like to point out his last sentence in the paragraph that you quoted. Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I did not intend to suggest it as the sole solution to high sec war decs. Yes, but he did suggest it as PART of a solution for hisec wardecs, when it would in fact only serve to exacerbate a problem that already concerns a lot of people. If you want to pay your way out of a war, you should talk to the people you're fighting against. For further explanation, I would like to point out some sentences of my own, if you are up for reading them this time: Iam Widdershins wrote:...larger corporations that would actually be able to defend themselves effectively if they tried can more easily afford to pay out of the problem -- meaning that only corporations who end up having wars of a length worth speaking of are the ones that are unable to defend themselves, turning wars in hisec into a farce of grief that drive people out of the game. So much venom in every single one of your posts. I'm not going to definitively say anything for him but what it seems like is that he supports this idea of people having another way to protect themselves against a wardec. He is using it as an example for something that he would support. He literally says that it is conceptually something that he supports, not necessarily that specific idea. The worst thing that I can see out of his example is less war targets for mercs/privateers to prey on. Mind you this is only in highsec you're still free to roam in low/nul and pew to your hearts content. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
247
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Posted - 2012.02.12 10:38:00 -
[306] - Quote
Scalar Angulargf wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Addenda: WTF is "GCC"? ALWAYS DEFINE JARGON!! If GCC is still jargon to you after a year and a half in the game it is sad. You shouldn't be voting.
Interestingly enough, I always thought it was called the Global Criminal Flag & never had a reason to seriously care about it.
Also, it never hurts to define TLAs (Three Letter Acronyms) when they aren't standard... just in case. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-á |
Cesc Fabrigas
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 12:07:00 -
[307] - Quote
Nice ballanced view with a mind for all areas of Eve community ....you get my vote Hans
Cesc |
Kaver Linkovir
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
33
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Posted - 2012.02.12 12:15:00 -
[308] - Quote
Iam Widdershins wrote: If you stop for ten seconds to give it some actual thought, you may note that if nobody else plays the game any more, I don't have a game to come back to either.
I am glad you brought this up. After noticing a pattern in highsec declaration of war I started a little mapping project. As far as I have been able to track it a marginal number of EVE players (500 to 1000 players) are responcible for over 90% of "griefer" declarations of war. Your Project Nemesis among them.
You and players advocating targeted "griefing" and "tear extraction" cost EVE players that might have flourished without your pressure. This is primairily tied to the targeted nature of a declaration of war. Anybody can shrug off a gank that results in concord retaliation, most can appreciate the skill in the assasination of a blinged out mission ship but the targeted and continued prosecution caused by griefers piling on the wardecs put a huge strain on all but the best managed corporations.
Sure, it's darwinism, but this is also a game people play for enjoyment. A minority prolongedly crushing enjoyment that might have been had by a majority warrents attention and thought.
In my opinion you and yours have cost CCP an enormous amount of subscriptions and have cost EVE a huge amount of players that might have furtherd EVE were they not smothered in their cribs. I would love data on the actual rate of increased subscription loss tied to prolonged and repeated "griefer" declarations of war.
I would hope that the "griefer" vote goes to more deserving and more well rounded candidates that don't advocate and champion an erosion of the EVE playerbase we all depend on.
On a side note: loved the Gallente ice interdiction.
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May Ava
Perkone Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.12 12:30:00 -
[309] - Quote
Nice post matey
Not really been into all this stuff about voting and stuff as it all seems like ego stuff. Hopwever you make some good points and i like the fact you are looking out for other guys and girls who just dont want to or cant afford the time to mess about in 0.0
We need people to look after the other interest groups like Faction Warfare and missioneers so I think i might just get up off my arse and vote for you .....if i find out when and how
Good luke matey
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Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.02.12 14:17:00 -
[310] - Quote
May Ava wrote:Nice post matey
Not really been into all this stuff about voting and stuff as it all seems like ego stuff. Hopwever you make some good points and i like the fact you are looking out for other guys and girls who just dont want to or cant afford the time to mess about in 0.0
We need people to look after the other interest groups like Faction Warfare and missioneers so I think i might just get up off my arse and vote for you .....if i find out when and how
Good luke matey
CCP was talking of making it easier to vote in elections. People have wanted an in game voting system put in place. |
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Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.02.12 14:19:00 -
[311] - Quote
Kaver Linkovir wrote:Iam Widdershins wrote: If you stop for ten seconds to give it some actual thought, you may note that if nobody else plays the game any more, I don't have a game to come back to either. I am glad you brought this up. After noticing a pattern in highsec declaration of war I started a little mapping project. As far as I have been able to track it a marginal number of EVE players (500 to 1000 players) are responcible for over 90% of "griefer" declarations of war. Your Project Nemesis among them. You and players advocating targeted "griefing" and "tear extraction" cost EVE players that might have flourished without your pressure. This is primairily tied to the targeted nature of a declaration of war. Anybody can shrug off a gank that results in concord retaliation, most can appreciate the skill in the assasination of a blinged out mission ship but the targeted and continued prosecution caused by griefers piling on the wardecs put a huge strain on all but the best managed corporations. Sure, it's darwinism, but this is also a game people play for enjoyment. A minority prolongedly crushing enjoyment that might have been had by a majority warrents attention and thought. In my opinion you and yours have cost CCP an enormous amount of subscriptions and have cost EVE a huge amount of players that might have furtherd EVE were they not smothered in their cribs. I would love data on the actual rate of increased subscription loss tied to prolonged and repeated "griefer" declarations of war. I would hope that the "griefer" vote goes to more deserving and more well rounded candidates that don't advocate and champion an erosion of the EVE playerbase we all depend on. On a side note: loved the Gallente ice interdiction. I lost my first Retriever because of the interdiction. Funniest thing ever considering I had the freaking post open and was just about to read that they had expanded to the Caldari systems as well. I didn't have a chance at that point. xD |
Cheezy Armpit
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.02.12 15:35:00 -
[312] - Quote
Kaver Linkovir wrote: [Moar werds were ere]
You and players advocating targeted "griefing" and "tear extraction" cost EVE players that might have flourished without your pressure. This is primairily tied to the targeted nature of a declaration of war. Anybody can shrug off a gank that results in concord retaliation, most can appreciate the skill in the assasination of a blinged out mission ship but the targeted and continued prosecution caused by griefers piling on the wardecs put a huge strain on all but the best managed corporations.
Sure, it's darwinism, but this is also a game people play for enjoyment. A minority prolongedly crushing enjoyment that might have been had by a majority warrents attention and thought.
In my opinion you and yours have cost CCP an enormous amount of subscriptions and have cost EVE a huge amount of players that might have furtherd EVE were they not smothered in their cribs. I would love data on the actual rate of increased subscription loss tied to prolonged and repeated "griefer" declarations of war.
I would hope that the "griefer" vote goes to more deserving and more well rounded candidates that don't advocate and champion an erosion of the EVE playerbase we all depend on.
That's a dangerous way to put accross your idiotic point of view. Make the game safer for idiots for commercial reasons. |
Doctor Eezee
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.02.12 15:44:00 -
[313] - Quote
Joyitii wrote:May Ava wrote:Nice post matey
Not really been into all this stuff about voting and stuff as it all seems like ego stuff. Hopwever you make some good points and i like the fact you are looking out for other guys and girls who just dont want to or cant afford the time to mess about in 0.0
We need people to look after the other interest groups like Faction Warfare and missioneers so I think i might just get up off my arse and vote for you .....if i find out when and how
Good luke matey
CCP was talking of making it easier to vote in elections. People have wanted an in game voting system put in place.
How is that a good idea? That would just lead to idiots voting randomly instead of making an informed decision. I'm all for more advertising of the voting process, but don't let people vote that won't even go to the forums to read about the candidates. |
Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.02.12 16:08:00 -
[314] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote:Joyitii wrote:May Ava wrote:Nice post matey
Not really been into all this stuff about voting and stuff as it all seems like ego stuff. Hopwever you make some good points and i like the fact you are looking out for other guys and girls who just dont want to or cant afford the time to mess about in 0.0
We need people to look after the other interest groups like Faction Warfare and missioneers so I think i might just get up off my arse and vote for you .....if i find out when and how
Good luke matey
CCP was talking of making it easier to vote in elections. People have wanted an in game voting system put in place. How is that a good idea? That would just lead to idiots voting randomly instead of making an informed decision. I'm all for more advertising of the voting process, but don't let people vote that won't even go to the forums to read about the candidates. Be that as it may there have been a fair amount of people complaining on the forums about how confusing it is to figure out where to vote for someone. I never said it was a good idea however if everything was more localized in the game then there would end up being more voters overall. Not sure how that's a bad thing. |
testobjekt
Creative Accounting Institute
38
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Posted - 2012.02.12 16:23:00 -
[315] - Quote
Do most posts equal most votes? if so haaaaaans has a seat secure :D |
doombreed52
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2012.02.12 16:53:00 -
[316] - Quote
you say that you are outnumbered..... erm you do know that 60% of players live in highsec right? |
Kaver Linkovir
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
36
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Posted - 2012.02.12 20:06:00 -
[317] - Quote
Cheezy Armpit wrote: That's a dangerous way to put accross your idiotic point of view. Make the game safer for idiots for commercial reasons.
I was not talking about making the game safer for idiots. I do however adore idiots since they make excelent marks.
I am saying that the "griefing" Iam Widdershins would like to expand on is detrimental to the growth of the EVE playerbase. He represents a really small minority of highsec wardeccing corps that pile wardec after wardec on singular corporations in a co+¦rdinated fashion. The target corporations are thus faced with near continual wardecs, especially if they show the balls to fight, and either come out too hard to wardec again or wither away under this forced style of play (causing subscription loss among their members).
An entity comprised of about 500 to a 1000 individual toons that corp hop continually (to escape any meaningfull revenge) raining wardecs on all fledgeling corporations that have the balls to fight and call getting blueballed a win is not something I see as contructive for EVE. But that is the way Iam Widdershins operates.
His advocated agenda would mean less targets for you since the potential future targets get smuthered in their first three cruisers. |
Aedin Dallocort
Colonic Hyperbole
1
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Posted - 2012.02.12 21:22:00 -
[318] - Quote
Nice to see The Mittani's endorsement here, though honestly I think his support is irrelevant. Take his chair, Hans! Good luck with your campaign.
Oh ... I almost forgot....Do you have any insights about the Incursion community? You mentioned them briefly in your manifesto, but I think there are a lot of folks in the Incursion channels who would be interested in what you have to say on the topic.
Shameless blog endorsement: obfuscatedreality.blogspot.com |
Miso Souped
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.12 21:27:00 -
[319] - Quote
doombreed52 wrote:you say that you are outnumbered..... erm you do know that 60% of players live in highsec right?
Surely you had the attention span to read past the first sentence??
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: The perennial question surfaces every CSM election GÇô how will the interests of those outside of the nullsec power blocs remain protected, when we are always outnumbered?
The answer is simple. We aren't outnumbered. The reality is that despite the overwhelming vote count that enabled The Mittani to seize the chairman seat in 2011, that figure is vastly exceeded by the majority of EvE players who have different values, different reasons for playing the game, and different ways we feel it should be played.
So yeah, i'd say he's pretty keenly aware of the election situation. Reading helps with that. |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
576
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Posted - 2012.02.12 22:38:00 -
[320] - Quote
Kaver Linkovir wrote:I am glad you brought this up. After noticing a pattern in highsec declaration of war I started a little mapping project. As far as I have been able to track it a marginal number of EVE players (500 to 1000 players) are responcible (sic) for over 90% of "griefer" declarations of war. Your Project Nemesis among them.
You and players advocating targeted "griefing" and "tear extraction" cost EVE players that might have flourished without your pressure. This is primairily (sic) tied to the targeted nature of a declaration of war. Anybody can shrug off a gank that results in concord retaliation, most can appreciate the skill in the assasination of a blinged out mission ship but the targeted and continued prosecution caused by griefers piling on the wardecs put a huge strain on all but the best managed corporations.
Sure, it's darwinism, but this is also a game people play for enjoyment. A minority prolongedly crushing enjoyment that might have been had by a majority warrents attention and thought.
In my opinion you and yours have cost CCP an enormous amount of subscriptions and have cost EVE a huge amount of players that might have furtherd (sic) EVE were they not smothered in their cribs. I would love data on the actual rate of increased subscription loss tied to prolonged and repeated "griefer" declarations of war.
For one: Being a 'grief' PVPer, I have had over five times as many people thank me than I've seen people actually quit the game. And yes, I've checked back on people, a lot. The people who actually quit the game, to a man, were mind-blowingly incompetent to begin with, and they were blaming all their problems on us and not their own carelessness the way you seem to want to.
You are making unsubstantiated and untrue claims that the people who create hardship in the game are driving people out of it. You are also misrepresenting the state and the common usage patterns of war declarations, which are a valid and intended game mechanic. It is cumbersome, ineffective, and generally a huge waste of time to grief someone out of the game even if you want to. If someone actually bothers to target you with continued wardecs, it's because you're actively making it worth their while with your endless wellspring of terribleness.
You say that it might be darwinism, but that people want to enjoy the game too. Well, people play EVE because the enjoyment comes from succeeding at a game which is hard. For a pretty significant subset of its players, we are the people that make that game hard, and if you took that away it's just mining and missions. Very few people would actually want that, despite what they say.
Kaver Linkovir wrote:I would hope that the "griefer" vote goes to more deserving and more well rounded candidates that don't advocate and champion an erosion of the EVE playerbase we all depend on.
Well then, you're in luck. One of my most iterated points in my argument is that the game should not allow people to be repeatedly griefed with nothing for them to do about it. If a game mechanic allows a loophole for people to do this, it needs to be closed. Forcing people out of the game is a bad plan for all its players and for CCP, and I do not endorse it in any way. If you happen to be the one that kills someone and it's the final straw for them to quit, 999 times out of a thousand that person was already on their way out. People will blame their quitting on anything as an alternative to admitting that they were stupidly betting their entire fortune on one weak and undefended ship.
Kaver Linkovir wrote:On a side note: loved the Gallente ice interdiction.
You keep using this "hypocrisy" word. I don't think it means what you think it means. Representing experience and reason in CSM 7 |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1513
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Posted - 2012.02.12 23:24:00 -
[321] - Quote
Iam Widdershins wrote: For a pretty significant subset of its players, we are the people that make that game hard, and if you took that away it's just mining and missions. Very few people would actually want that, despite what they say.
I hope you are not seriously taking away from my writings and commentary that you think I have some hidden agenda to wipe high-sec war from the map. I thought I've been quite clear that I think the war dec shield is a silly practice, and that players should make a choice about whether war is something they are prepared for, and consider that choice when deciding whether to leave an NPC corp. I've offered suggestions regarding ways to protect smaller corps from prolonged "griefing" type wars, some with more merit than others. I've also said from the beginning that the potential for harm should always be considered with any change, and you have brought up some valid concerns regarding a couple of the proposals I have discussed.
While I've explicitly said these things before, I realize at this point we are talking dozens of pages of manifestos and threads for readers to get through, and that's a bit unfair. I have had a large amount of questions regarding high security space, not just from yourself but from many others.
To help clarify my vision for high sec I have begun work on my next blog post, which will focus specifically on providing a stand-alone summary of where I stand on the various high sec-specific issues that have been brought up so far. I want the voters to have a clear idea of the activities I believe should thrive in high sec, the nature of how safety should be provided, and the type of war that should and should not be encouraged by the mechanics. I appreciate your patience with this, look forward to its publish in the next few days.
Here is the link to my blog where you all can follow and keep in touch. |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
577
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Posted - 2012.02.12 23:39:00 -
[322] - Quote
Kaver Linkovir wrote:An entity comprised of about 500 to a 1000 individual toons that corp hop continually (to escape any meaningfull revenge) raining wardecs on all fledgeling corporations that have the balls to fight and call getting blueballed a win is not something I see as contructive for EVE. But that is the way Iam Widdershins operates. This is, in a word, bull+++t. Through and through.
Since I began PVPing, the only organization I have been a part of that had more than 100 members at any given time was The 0rphanage, and they were terrible. Moar Tears currently has less than 100 members, most of whom have roles preventing them from leaving corp -- and everyone freaks the hell out when someone leaves for a couple days to help out a friend. There is no shadow-clan of hundreds of members who are constantly moving and constantly oppressing your pilots; if there were, and that's what I did, I'm sure I could get a seat on the CSM with very little effort.
PVP in these alliances gets boring pretty fast, and I encourage my own pilots (currently PRONS has only about a dozen active pilots) to get some small and interesting wars of their own going. They are free to move about as they wish, but I do not know of ANYONE who "corp hops continually to escape any meaningful revenge." If I saw someone doing that, I would boot them immediately. Meaningful revenge is what we're seeking out more than anything else. We want fights, wherever we can get them.
Getting blueballed is a win for nobody; that is the reason why we will move about often. There are a number of fights we are involved in at any given time, and we are looking to help out our own members. I am looking to eliminate corp hopping entirely, and if you claim otherwise in any way you are very poorly read. Please take your tinfoil conspiracies elsewhere and never return. Representing experience and reason in CSM 7 |
None ofthe Above
47
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Posted - 2012.02.12 23:46:00 -
[323] - Quote
Doctor Eezee wrote:Joyitii wrote:May Ava wrote:Nice post matey
Not really been into all this stuff about voting and stuff as it all seems like ego stuff. Hopwever you make some good points and i like the fact you are looking out for other guys and girls who just dont want to or cant afford the time to mess about in 0.0
We need people to look after the other interest groups like Faction Warfare and missioneers so I think i might just get up off my arse and vote for you .....if i find out when and how
Good luke matey
CCP was talking of making it easier to vote in elections. People have wanted an in game voting system put in place. How is that a good idea? That would just lead to idiots voting randomly instead of making an informed decision. I'm all for more advertising of the voting process, but don't let people vote that won't even go to the forums to read about the candidates.
Platforms could be made available in game as well. Many folk have a quite reasonable aversion to these forums. Hopefully forum bugs will get fixed.
I agree that forcing people to vote randomly for some one before they can play is a bad idea. Ability to put off till later (up till the election is over anyway) or to abstain, is a better move. IMHO.
Or of course they could vote None ofthe Above!
Tired of the current CSM? Vote for me, I am None ofthe Above! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=795254
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Rutherford B Hazed
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.13 01:16:00 -
[324] - Quote
Hanz
What is your position on the $99.00 dollar charge CCP want to charge 3rd party developers? Goodluck im watching your's . ELise and Seleene's campaign with great interest. |
Wayne Xiro
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.13 02:13:00 -
[325] - Quote
B-Team Approves. GO HANS |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
739
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Posted - 2012.02.13 06:18:00 -
[326] - Quote
I was excited about your campaign, Hans. Then I learned that you have yet to submit the candidate application to CCP. Until you do, I have no choice but to consider this entire thread a complete waste of time.
Please get your application in. You have my two votes if you're on the ballot. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1549
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Posted - 2012.02.13 08:13:00 -
[327] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:I was excited about your campaign, Hans. Then I learned that you have yet to submit the candidate application to CCP. Until you do, I have no choice but to consider this entire thread a complete waste of time.
Please get your application in. You have my two votes if you're on the ballot.
Fear not! I was simply awaiting confirmation from the passport office. I submitted my paperwork Saturday morning, it should be processed first thing tomorrow. Expect to see me on the list as soon as Turbefield gets to the office and sits down with the next batch of applications.
I assure you, I take this campaign quite seriously . But by all means, wait till I'm official before pledging support. I completely understand. |
Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis Moar Tears
588
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:26:00 -
[328] - Quote
Surprise! I haven't forgotten. Time for some answers man, if they're ever coming. You had all weekend. Otherwise, I've just gotta assume. Representing experience and reason in CSM 7 |
Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:50:00 -
[329] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:To help clarify my vision for high sec I have begun work on my next blog post, which will focus specifically on providing a stand-alone summary of where I stand on the various high sec-specific issues that have been brought up so far. I want the voters to have a clear idea of the activities I believe should thrive in high sec, the nature of how safety should be provided, and the type of war that should and should not be encouraged by the mechanics. I appreciate your patience with this, look forward to its publish in the next few days. Here is the link to my blog where you all can follow and keep in touch.
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Yttrius Beryll
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:23:00 -
[330] - Quote
+1 |
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Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:24:00 -
[331] - Quote
Hey yo Hans, you're going about this all the wrong ways. The CSM needs a good faction warfare dude and you're probably the best candidate to handle this, but you've got to focus your campaign on that, inspire your base and start figuring out ways to work with the guys who are going to be on the council, like mittens and seleene instead of setting up this confrontational posturing bullshit because you want to be the anti-goon.
CSM 6 got **** done because the personalities behind it understood how to make friends and influence people. Worry about other CSMs motivations when you get on the council, see how they work and can call them out on it there. Don't waste your opportunities with tinfoil hattery before you land the spot. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:39:00 -
[332] - Quote
CSM6 got stuff done because they just happened to be around when CCP not only dropped the ball but deflated it, sold it off, lost it and replaced it with a blunt spork. Had the Incarna release (read: NeX) not been such a load of crap as to generate resentment across all player groupings, CSM6 would have gone down in history as the "Barbie Council" .. just sayin'
PS: Does that mean the Mitten would have been SpaceKen? .. hahahahaha. |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:47:00 -
[333] - Quote
Veshta Yoshida wrote:CSM6 got stuff done because they just happened to be around when CCP not only dropped the ball but deflated it, sold it off, lost it and replaced it with a blunt spork. Had the Incarna release (read: NeX) not been such a load of crap as to generate resentment across all player groupings, CSM6 would have gone down in history as the "Barbie Council" .. just sayin' PS: Does that mean the Mitten would have been SpaceKen? .. hahahahaha. Might want to watch the video from the emergency summit and read the devblogs again. CCP credited the current CSM, both participating members who went to Iceland for the summit and those who didn't go but contributed through their forums and the skype chat for their work in steering the wayward ship back on course. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
264
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:47:00 -
[334] - Quote
Courthouse wrote:Hey yo Hans, you're going about this all the wrong ways. The CSM needs a good faction warfare dude and you're probably the best candidate to handle this, but you've got to focus your campaign on that, inspire your base and start figuring out ways to work with the guys who are going to be on the council, like mittens and seleene instead of setting up this confrontational posturing bullshit because you want to be the anti-goon.
CSM 6 got **** done because the personalities behind it understood how to make friends and influence people. Worry about other CSMs motivations when you get on the council, see how they work and can call them out on it there. Don't waste your opportunities with tinfoil hattery before you land the spot.
For myself I don't dislike goons or csm6. But they don't steer ccp correctly for the low sec or high sec crowd. Adding drama to faction war? Couldn't anyone form csm have spoken up and said "maybe the players in low sec don't really want the drama"? Making faction war a testbed for null sec? I haven't heard anyone from csm6 admit these are bad ideas and they should have advised ccp that but failed. In fact csm 6 seems to generally be sticking to these bad proposals.
Its nothing personal its just that what many on csm 6 thinks is good for empire isn't what those players want. And frankly since CSM6 never seems to take the time to engage the players to find out what they want, it shouldn't be that surprising.
Mittens and others on csm6 often admit they don't represent low/high sec and empire needs someone. Yet they refuse to clearly abandon their proposals that miss the mark for those sections of space.
Its nothing against goons its just that the proposals are bad.
As far as getting "**** done" I don't know what you think they did.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
264
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:54:00 -
[335] - Quote
Courthouse wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:CSM6 got stuff done because they just happened to be around when CCP not only dropped the ball but deflated it, sold it off, lost it and replaced it with a blunt spork. Had the Incarna release (read: NeX) not been such a load of crap as to generate resentment across all player groupings, CSM6 would have gone down in history as the "Barbie Council" .. just sayin' PS: Does that mean the Mitten would have been SpaceKen? .. hahahahaha. Might want to watch the video from the emergency summit and read the devblogs again. CCP credited the current CSM, both participating members who went to Iceland for the summit and those who didn't go but contributed through their forums and the skype chat for their work in steering the wayward ship back on course.
You might want to read "in defense of incarna" where mittens defends what is likely the worst expansion in eve history.
And of course ccp is going to credit csm left and right. Do you expect ccp to say that csm is a waste and they don't bother to listen to the player elected csm?
The last csm basically told ccp they were going down the wrong path and many ended up leaving. The fact is it was the last csm that was more in touch with the players than csm6. CCP and CSM finally recognized this very late in the game. Not listening to csm5 sooner cost CCP about 20% of its workforce.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1554
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:56:00 -
[336] - Quote
Iam Widdershins wrote:Surprise! I haven't forgotten. Time for some answers man, if they're ever coming. You had all weekend. Otherwise, I've just gotta assume.
I'm sorry, I thought I had answered your questions. You weren't happy with them, which is fine, the voters deserve to know the difference between your views and my own. I did notice you arguing with others in the thread as well, but I didn't see any new questions, just statements about how you think I'm wrong.
I'll be happy to clarify everything for the voters over the next couple of days with regards to high sec issues, I appreciate your patience in the time being. |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:56:00 -
[337] - Quote
Cearain wrote:For myself I don't dislike goons or csm6. But they don't steer ccp correctly for the low sec or high sec crowd. Adding drama to faction war? Couldn't anyone form csm have spoken up and said "maybe the players in low sec don't really want the drama"? Making faction war a testbed for null sec? I haven't heard anyone from csm6 admit these are bad ideas and they should have advised ccp that but failed. In fact csm 6 seems to generally be sticking to these bad proposals.
Faction Warfare and nullsec both have necessary capture mechanics for their control-based objective systems. There's one school of thought that would think that developing one good system and sharing it is better than having two very bad systems. Another may consider two very different, good systems, but at the increased need for creative solutions and time to develop and implement it.
Personal opinions being what they are, the most efficient and practical answer is to develop one good system and see if you can't make it work for both. ymmv.
Quote:Its nothing personal its just that what many on csm 6 thinks is good for empire isn't what those players want. And frankly since CSM6 never seems to take the time to engage the players to find out what they want, it shouldn't be that surprising.
CSM 6 had two fireside chats where they engaged the players directly on our mumble server. Mittens makes regular appearances on eve radio shows and does interviews for bloggers and other media types.
Quote:Mittens and others on csm6 often admit they don't represent low/high sec and empire needs someone. Yet they refuse to clearly abandon their proposals that miss the mark for those sections of space.
Its nothing against goons its just that the proposals are bad.
As far as getting "**** done" I don't know what you think they did.
**** you just trollin' son. This last CSM was the most successful in turning pressing issues into results. CCP has credited Crucible in large part to the CSM. Now, because lowsec and FW wasn't touched I can see where you may not be as pleased with the results as others, but Seleene did mention in this very thread that there just wasn't the time or ability to do a sweeping series of changes to those areas in the time they had available for Crucible.
The point here is that CSM6 lacked a solid Lowsec piracy/faction warfare expert and while that likely wouldn't have made a huge difference had there been one for the last session, there's some serious opportunity for the upcoming session. This won't happen if Hans doesn't capitalize on the opportunity and foster a strong base to get himself over the 2000+ votes necessary to secure a top 7 finish.
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Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:02:00 -
[338] - Quote
Cearain wrote:The last csm basically told ccp they were going down the wrong path and many ended up leaving. The fact is it was the last csm that was more in touch with the players than csm6. CCP and CSM finally recognized this very late in the game. Not listening to csm5 sooner cost CCP about 20% of its workforce.
I wouldn't qualify any of that as 'the fact is'. Your particular opinion based on the limited facts that came out after several of the CSM from 5th session expressed frustration and doubt can support that conclusion for yourself, but you're ignoring a few well-established points.
CCP gave the 18 month manifesto and pretty well held to it throughout CSM 5 and the first part of CSM6. CSM 5 had very little opportunity to engage CCP because of two main issues: 1) Hilmar thought he was invincible. 2) Mynxee is not a politician.
You can try to claim that CSM5 was more in touch with the players than 6, but that would be a stretch. More people from the lowsec camp were represented in CSM5, sure, but the viewpoints were largely myopic and infeasable.
CSM6 delivered more wide-reaching changes than all other CSM sessions combined. |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:07:00 -
[339] - Quote
Also, while people are pointing out Mittani's hatred for lowsec because he defended incarna in his blog, he also pitched a revamp for lowsec years ago that on paper sounded fantastic. Here's a free link, the lowsec part starts about halfway down and continues on page 3:
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/67950/page/2 |
RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
158
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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:30:00 -
[340] - Quote
Hans has my vote. |
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
18
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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:32:00 -
[341] - Quote
Courthouse wrote:Might want to watch the video from the emergency summit and read the devblogs again. CCP credited the current CSM, both participating members who went to Iceland for the summit and those who didn't go but contributed through their forums and the skype chat for their work in steering the wayward ship back on course. As I said, their "achievement" is due to CCP failure and not so much their ability/brilliance .. think about what they would/could have done if Incarna had gone down as smoothly as Hilmar thought it would .. you'd be lucky to have a sov revamp on the backlog at that point .. no course-correction, WiS > FiS, same low-hanging fruit crap they have been feeding us for 2+ years. But you are probably right, every little thing is solely due the valiant efforts of the hard working current CSM .. and when the sun comes up tomorrow we can probably praise them for that one as well!
That link to Mittens FW copy lowsec solution? Much better ones have been floated since then, especially after Incursions gave us an idea of what is possible and what is not. Sincerely hope that LS gets some sort of 'theme' as the random violence got stale after a week .. carrots to aim for and sticks to poke each other with. Question is if CCP can/will do it in a way that doesn't rely on the fail of the EHP grind.
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Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:39:00 -
[342] - Quote
Veshta Yoshida wrote:As I said, their "achievement" is due to CCP failure and not so much their ability/brilliance .. think about what they would/could have done if Incarna had gone down as smoothly as Hilmar thought it would .. you'd be lucky to have a sov revamp on the backlog at that point .. no course-correction, WiS > FiS, same low-hanging fruit crap they have been feeding us for 2+ years. But you are probably right, every little thing is solely due the valiant efforts of the hard working current CSM .. and when the sun comes up tomorrow we can probably praise them for that one as well!
Yeah, that's not what I said at all, but you can spin it all the same if it makes you feel better.
Quote:That link to Mittens FW copy lowsec solution? Much better ones have been floated since then, especially after Incursions gave us an idea of what is possible and what is not. Sincerely hope that LS gets some sort of 'theme' as the random violence got stale after a week .. carrots to aim for and sticks to poke each other with. Question is if CCP can/will do it in a way that doesn't rely on the fail of the EHP grind.
The link was provided to illustrate that while Mittani is not a lowsec candidate and has stated that he's not a lowsec candidate, the CSM could use a good lowsec/FW advocate and choosing to take an insurgent posture against a guy who will be chairman again this year isn't winning him any favors, so here's a link to where Mittani attempted to offer an idea for a lowsec revamp a year before Tyrannis came out, maybe there's some common ground and Hans can worry less about being the anti-goon and more about being the right guy for the lowsec/FW constituency so he can secure a top 7 finish. |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:41:00 -
[343] - Quote
Oh, in case you didn't notice, I'm trying to help Hans, not tank him. Seriously, there's a vested interest in making lowsec not suck too. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1566
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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:46:00 -
[344] - Quote
I don't really see much point in belaboring the "Was the CSM6 effective?" question, because I've already stated that I believe it has.
I think most readers following the election so far already know that I have demonstrated a willingness to cooperate on the council with their objectives. That has been a consistent message throughout my campaign material. For those that may have missed some important indicators, IGÇÖve clipped them here for you.
Verbatim from my platform document:
Lastly, to the current council members. You have transformed the CSM into an entity with power and influence, and for that should be commended . . . . But the reality is that you and I both know that we can do better this coming year.
Verbatim from this thread:
The Mittani wrote:I sort of assumed that Hans would be a FW candidate this year and I support him, no need to get all ~rah rah mittens~ about it.
During CSM6 Hans reached out to us and gave us a whole list of FW fixes, which we promptly dumped in CCP's lap, and they're now cognizant of them - pretty much entirely due to Hans taking the initiative.
FW dudes should have a rep, just like Wormhole dudes. If I was a FW player, I'd rally behind Hans. Good luck!
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Good luck in the elections, Hans. You've demonstrated that you have the primary characteristic of a good CSM; the willingness to work hard, without letting emo or ego get in the way.
Seleene wrote:Based on everything I've read in your platform, I think we'd agree on much more than we disagree on. At the least, I'm sure bridges could be built
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:In supporting the 0.0 representatives in their encouragement of more sov warfare iterations, I would also be working to protect the interests of empire citizens who want to enjoy EvE their own way
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: I think debate should certainly occur among council members, but when it comes to proposing an idea to CCP, the more unanimous the support of the council the more effective the proposal will be at convincing the developers it is for the good of the entire game.
I think youGÇÖll find that cooperation with the re-elected council members is very much something I am capable of, though I believe voters also deserve to know what I bring to the table that is different from the status quo. I welcome any of the sitting council members stopping by to have a conversation about the issues, (as Seleene has), will continue to share the various ways I differ from them where appropriate.
Thank you Courthouse for taking the time to share the good advice. |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.02.13 16:02:00 -
[345] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: I think youGÇÖll find that cooperation with the re-elected council members is very much something I am capable of, though I believe voters also deserve to know what I bring to the table that is different from the status quo. I welcome any of the sitting council members stopping by to have a conversation about the issues, (as Seleene has), will continue to share the various ways I differ from them where appropriate.
Showing how you differ is well and good, but don't tack too far off of your center. People have reached out to you in this thread only to be rebuffed in a puff of ego because you don't want to be 'status-quo'. Just by being Lowsec/FW guy you'll define yourself clearly as anything but status quo and you don't open yourself up to criticism because your grasp of mechanics in areas outside of Lowsec/FW aren't as well developed.
This doesn't make you a bad candidate, because you'd have the opportunity to discuss these things, but presenting yourself as a representative of highsec, favoring the risk-adverse while advocating for changes that one of the premiere griefers is repeatedly telling you is a bad idea because it gives him more tools to grief with will cost you support, not get you more of it.
Stick with what you know, foster your base and excite them so they'll help your campaign grow organically. Then after you're elected you can get your two cents in on the issues that matter to you, and be corrected on the issues that you're less of an expert on in a private, NDA protected channel.
Quote:Thank you Courthouse for taking the time to share the good advice.
Best of luck to you. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1576
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Posted - 2012.02.13 19:18:00 -
[346] - Quote
Everyone following along here will be happy to know all my paperwork cleared, I'm officially on the CSM7 ballot !!
No more worries about paperwork snafus. I'm fully vetted now, and looking forward to your votes! |
Indius Lux
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.13 20:32:00 -
[347] - Quote
Glad to hear it Hans! |
namron 7
1-800-FUBAR
17
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Posted - 2012.02.13 20:51:00 -
[348] - Quote
Hans you need to be in the CSM and you have my vote. Thanks for the help |
tewkz
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
23
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Posted - 2012.02.13 21:00:00 -
[349] - Quote
You have a very well-written post and introduction. I really appreciate you as one of the strongest new comers. I have one question for you. What is the basis for the assumption that the current CSM wants to buff their own null-sec interests at the cost of low-sec and high-sec? The way I, and I suspect many of them, perceive it, making high-sec and low-sec better (if done properly) can actually be good for null-sec itself. What this means is, CCP can't just increase isk payouts to fix things; if they actually make high-sec and low-sec so that they have good and unique content, ultimately it will be good for the game. What's good for the game is good for the subscriber base, and what's good for the subscriber base is ultimately good for all security regions. I'm kind of rambling, but the point is, why do you think empire and null-sec have to be diametrically opposed? |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
94
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Posted - 2012.02.13 21:54:00 -
[350] - Quote
tewkz wrote:You have a very well-written post and introduction. I really appreciate you as one of the strongest new comers. I have one question for you. What is the basis for the assumption that the current CSM wants to buff their own null-sec interests at the cost of low-sec and high-sec? The way I, and I suspect many of them, perceive it, making high-sec and low-sec better (if done properly) can actually be good for null-sec itself. What this means is, CCP can't just increase isk payouts to fix things; if they actually make high-sec and low-sec so that they have good and unique content, ultimately it will be good for the game. What's good for the game is good for the subscriber base, and what's good for the subscriber base is ultimately good for all security regions. I'm kind of rambling, but the point is, why do you think empire and null-sec have to be diametrically opposed?
People who dwell in Empire space as opposed to Nullsec simply have different expectations out of the game. I know the FW crowd in lowsec the best, and I can safely say that 90% of FW players are in FW because they are not interested in the Nullsec politics, alarm-clock CTAs and waiting around for hours for fleets to form up and slug it out. I'm not saying that is a bad style of play; many people enjoy the Nullsec gameplay and culture. But FW pilots do not enjoy those same things; we like to log in and find a fight quickly and nearby with no :drama: and politics.
CCP and CSM6 had mentioned using FW as a "test-bed" for Nullsec mechanics (particularly, Sov mechanics) and Faction War players are vehemently opposed to this. Mechanics that might work for Nullsec won't work for Lowsec just as mechanics that might work for Lowsec won't work for Nullsec; they are entirely different populations.
Yes, iterating and improving on Lowsec and Highsec will improve the game. A healthy sandbox helps all areas of the game, Nullsec included; and the opposite is true: improving Nullsec will also benefit Lowsec and Highsec.
As for the "assumption" that CSM6 has a strong interest in Nullsec iterations, to cite one example, The Mittani has frequently stated that using FW as a "test-bed" for Nullsec Sov Mechanics is a "good idea". Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1580
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Posted - 2012.02.13 22:26:00 -
[351] - Quote
Damn it, Vordak! I had a fancy pants answer prepared and then you stole 90% of my thunder. Nice work though.
Anyways, I hope I didnGÇÖt give off the impression that null and empire spaces are somehow GÇ£diametrically opposedGÇ¥ in my writings. I think all three regions of space are very interconnected, much like ecosystems that live next door to each other. This doesn't mean that changes in one region have to negatively impact another, however. It all depends on the criteria and mindset used to discuss such a change. The CSM must be willing to consider how changes will affect even the communities they don't represent. "Not my constituency, not my problem" is not something you'll hear from me should I be elected to serve on CSM7.
As Vordak discussed, there are a lot of good reasons to be wary of GÇ£one size fits allGÇ¥ solutions if they are meant to cover multiple regional problems at the same time.
With regards to high sec and low sec improvements being good for null sec space, I think youGÇÖre on the right track I just see the problem in reverse. I think that the lack of worthwhile gameplay in null continues to cause bored alliances to migrate into empire space, where their power is projected in an imbalanced fashion that residents there often find extremely disruptive. The sooner we fix 0.0, the sooner the majority of null alliances move back GÇ£homeGÇ¥ and allow empire citizens to enjoy the game their own way. |
BIGTEX123
Wormhole Exploration Crew R.E.P.O.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:03:00 -
[352] - Quote
Read the whole PDF and I have to say I like it. +1 |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:29:00 -
[353] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:With regards to high sec and low sec improvements being good for null sec space, I think youGÇÖre on the right track I just see the problem in reverse. I think that the lack of worthwhile gameplay in null continues to cause bored alliances to migrate into empire space, where their power is projected in an imbalanced fashion that residents there often find extremely disruptive. The sooner we fix 0.0, the sooner the majority of null alliances move back GÇ£homeGÇ¥ and allow empire citizens to enjoy the game their own way.
You're only half right on this point, at least as far as Goonswarm Federation is concerned. When we've got war we do the nullsec war thing, but we won't stop stuff like the Gallente Ice Interdiction because we have a lot of fun with those sorts of activities.
Shaking up the sandbox and making changes that benefit lowsec is good for nullsec, inherently, as it drives interest in conflict. With the ability for alliances to enter Faction Warfare we may even see some more participation on behalf of groups that would love nothing more than shooting more people when our enemies are too disheartened to log in. |
Devore Sekk
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:50:00 -
[354] - Quote
Even though I am a certified carebear, and avoid pvp (being a non-focus trained 2 month old player), that does not mean I will always will be. Low sec living intrigues me. Faction warfare not so much, and nullsec politics, drama and RL demands definitely not. I see the bounty, kill-rights and wardec systems as being broken, to one degree or another.
Bounties, ineffective. A bounty of any significant size will be claimed by the target's alt or friends. A bounty that is too low will not garner any interest vs the risk posed. I don't know if bounty proportional to the value of the target will do the trick.
Kill-rights, futile. I'd bet vast majority of pilots with kill rights are incapable of exercising them themselves due to their specialization and skills not lending to 1vs1 PvP. I know mine do. Being able to re-assign kill rights and hire mercs to do the job might do the trick.
War-decs, outright griefing. In theory, they work. In practice, they are dirt cheap to (ab)use, and very expensive to fight. We'll never know how many players left the game entirely due to having their corps griefed by bored multi-year vets, unable to leave the station and play the game.
I'm not a game designer, and no one pays me the big bucks to solve these issues. I just play the game. So the more attention is given to these areas, the higher the chance something will be done to improve them. It sounds like Hans is the man. |
Mystical Might
The Imperial Fedaykin
77
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Posted - 2012.02.14 03:22:00 -
[355] - Quote
On the topic of POSes, Will you at any point push for the option to unanchor offline POSes that are NOT owned by the person wishing to take it? And if so, with what guidelines?
Also, my uber-duper super-important question; will you push for the introduction of tophats in le nex store? |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1591
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Posted - 2012.02.14 04:08:00 -
[356] - Quote
Mystical Might wrote:On the topic of POSes, Will you at any point push for the option to unanchor offline POSes that are NOT owned by the person wishing to take it? And if so, with what guidelines?
OH ****!! I KNEW I forgot to put fuel in it last night! .......Ok this will be a short post while I get online and assess the damage....
Mystical Might wrote: Also, my uber-duper super-important question; will you push for the introduction of tophats in le nex store?
Push, no. Accept if already complete? Yes, but only if they cost less than real top hats. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
97
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Posted - 2012.02.14 05:00:00 -
[357] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Mystical Might wrote:On the topic of POSes, Will you at any point push for the option to unanchor offline POSes that are NOT owned by the person wishing to take it? And if so, with what guidelines? OH ****!! I KNEW I forgot to put fuel in it last night! .......Ok this will be a short post while I get online and assess the damage.... Mystical Might wrote: Also, my uber-duper super-important question; will you push for the introduction of tophats in le nex store? Push, no. Accept if already complete? Yes, but only if they cost less than real top hats.
Goddamnit, Hans. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Consequence Zero
Non Affiliation
4
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Posted - 2012.02.14 06:20:00 -
[358] - Quote
What this next CSM needs is members from all areas of gameplay. With the amount of effort you have put in leading up to here I believe you would make an excellent candidate.
I just hope the High-Sec votes are not too watered down and spread out.. but from this high-sec player who tends to get lost in wormholes, you just got a couple more.
Good Luck |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1594
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Posted - 2012.02.14 07:17:00 -
[359] - Quote
Thanks again to all the new faces taking the time to stop my and hear my message, I appreciate all the kind words of support. Be sure to tell your corpmates to stop by as well!
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Nex Parietis
Templar Directorate Yulai Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.14 07:20:00 -
[360] - Quote
I feel that you match up with what I want.
Particularly a spot talking about bounty hunting, which is a terribly underused and broken feature, as well as faction warfare, which is something I would love to have updated.
You have my vote Hans. and good luck. |
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Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
129
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Posted - 2012.02.14 08:40:00 -
[361] - Quote
Tusker pirate, Marc Scaurus, of the blog, Malefactor, endorses Hans. So should the rest of you lowsec scumbags;
Quote:So far, I think Hans is the guy for us in lowsec. He lives in lowsec, fights in lowsec, etc. Granted, heGÇÖs FacWar, but he bares no ill will towards us outlaws, nor towards the bear population. He expresses himself well and is obviously passionate. He may be overserious (bonus question was more or less a joke/litmus test GÇô not serious business), but that is not a bad thing. I look forward to learning more about him in the coming weeks, but as it stands now, heGÇÖs the guy. Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1
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Posted - 2012.02.14 10:46:00 -
[362] - Quote
+1 You have my vote.
The PDF must be down atm - I can not open it so sorry if my next question is already covered somewhere.
What is your position on low sec gates and stations shooting their own militias? Can't spell crap without rap. |
voetius
Starwinders The Unwilling.
2
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Posted - 2012.02.14 11:16:00 -
[363] - Quote
+1 I will be voting Hans
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2927
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Posted - 2012.02.14 11:48:00 -
[364] - Quote
Devore Sekk wrote:
War-decs, outright griefing. In theory, they work. In practice, they are dirt cheap to (ab)use, and very expensive to fight. We'll never know how many players left the game entirely due to having their corps griefed by bored multi-year vets, unable to leave the station and play the game.
I'm not a game designer, and no one pays me the big bucks to solve these issues. I just play the game. So the more attention is given to these areas, the higher the chance something will be done to improve them. It sounds like Hans is the man.
War decs will always be more or less "griefing", because the aggressor is the one who gets to chose whether or not there will be PvP. Logically, they will only declare wars they think they can win or at least profit from (barring edge-case stuff like RP reasons). So the corp being war-dec'd will usually be at a disadvantage vs a stronger opponent (which is what gets called "griefing" these days, although you might as well say that cats "grief" mice because they pick on easy prey instead of something that would put up a fight, like a goat or something).
One possible addition that might prove useful to the wardec mechanism would be 'defensive treaties'. Industrial corp A makes a defensive treaty with Mercenary corp B in return for a regular weekly payment. So long as A maintain the payments, then any Wardec corp C which wardecs A will then also be automatically at war with B as well. But if A declares war on corp D, then B are not involved (of course they can still declare war in the normal way if A pay them).
Defensive treaties could be optionally private, meaning that declaring war would have some hidden risks, or public in which case they could act as either a deterrent or even an incentive, depending on the confidence of the wardeccers. Meanwhile, merc corps would be able to arrange a steady income for ongoing defensive contracts, placing a premium on reputation: a powerful merc corp should be able to sustain quite a few contracts, giving them a nice income for doing nothing.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
20
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Posted - 2012.02.14 14:57:00 -
[365] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:...One possible addition that might prove useful to the wardec mechanism would be 'defensive treaties'.... Hell yeah, there are immense possibilities in an expanded contracts system, which I reckon something like this would fall in under .. a time limited protection agreement. So many things that can be "solved" by having a non-verbal agreement as pre-req.
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Mystical Might
The Imperial Fedaykin
77
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Posted - 2012.02.14 15:02:00 -
[366] - Quote
What's your view on ECM, and the mechanics behind it? Would you suggest changes, and if so, how would you change ECM to bring it more in line with other forms of E-WAR? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3133
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Posted - 2012.02.14 16:02:00 -
[367] - Quote
Mystical Might wrote:What's your view on ECM, and the mechanics behind it? Would you suggest changes, and if so, how would you change ECM to bring it more in line with other forms of E-WAR?
Nerfing ECM down to the level of other EW forms is fine, you just need to come up with a secondary EW for Caldari. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Mystical Might
The Imperial Fedaykin
81
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Posted - 2012.02.14 16:08:00 -
[368] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Mystical Might wrote:What's your view on ECM, and the mechanics behind it? Would you suggest changes, and if so, how would you change ECM to bring it more in line with other forms of E-WAR? Nerfing ECM down to the level of other EW forms is fine, you just need to come up with a secondary EW for Caldari.
lol, I'd be happy if ECM was nuked from orbit, after being smashed repeatedly with the nerfbat. I'm just wondering what Hans' view is. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1601
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Posted - 2012.02.14 16:27:00 -
[369] - Quote
IbanezLaney wrote:+1 You have my vote.
The PDF must be down atm - I can not open it so sorry if my next question is already covered somewhere.
What is your position on low sec gates and stations shooting their own militias?
I'll look into the PDF link...thanks for the heads up!
To answer your question, I think its fine for stations to shoot their own militias, if youGÇÖre committing a truly criminal act worthy of a GCC flag. What is NOT fine, is being able to hang out on the undock of an enemy station, and be ignored by station fire. Implementing station fire for opposing militias is a no-brainer FW upgrade in my book, because it adds a tangible and meaningful consequence to system occupancy without requiring fancy new shinies to be developed by the programmers. It can be done right away, and gives militia pilots and incentive to defend and seize territory in a way they sorely lack today.
On the subject of gate guns in low sec in general GÇô I am an outspoken proponent of the Jack Dant GÇ£what happens in lowsec stays in lowsec GÇ¥ proposal, which would waive GCC timers for negative security status pilots shooting each other in lowsec, and reduce the ability of outlaw attacks to lower security status to a cap of -2.0, should the attacks occur in low sec. This would attract more GÇ£weekend warriorsGÇ¥ and the casual PvP crowd, which might otherwise be adverse to PvP in lowsec if it means not being about to return to the trade hubs. Players could enjoy PvP on gates and stations in low sec more freely, without being forced into GÇ£time outGÇ¥ situations between what are essentially voluntary fights.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1601
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Posted - 2012.02.14 16:38:00 -
[370] - Quote
Mystical Might wrote:What's your view on ECM, and the mechanics behind it? Would you suggest changes, and if so, how would you change ECM to bring it more in line with other forms of E-WAR?
For those of us that fight in low sec, ECM is pretty powerful. We know that it only takes one Falcon to tie up as much as 4-5 ships, but at the same time Falcons continue to die plenty on the battlefield. Personally, I think that vulnerability and GÇ£the primary factorGÇ¥ are still pretty fair counters to the inherent strength of ECM. Especially when Caldari are still considered one of the GÇ£weakerGÇ¥ races in terms of overall balancing, IGÇÖm cautious (but certainly not opposed) to swinging a nerf bat at one of their strongest racial traits.
That being said, I have heard one proposal in particular I find to be pretty sensible. It pertains to the ability of ECM to GÇ£perma-jamGÇ¥ their targets, and would reduce the length of time on a jam based on the ratio of jam strength to sensor strength. In other words, if the jammer strength was 7, and the targetGÇÖs strength was 14, than the length of the jam cycle would be shortened by 7/14 ( or -+). Against very strong targets, ECM would serve more as a lock-breaker, rather than being able to jam a large target for long periods of time.
Such an adjustment would preserve the value of sensor strength, and have the added benefit of making Information Warfare link platforms like the Eos a more attractive addition to fleets. This is the best compromise IGÇÖve seen at reforming ECM, and stays true to the existing mechanics closely enough I think it has the least likely chance of breaking small-gang warfare by making a gamble with a more radical overhaul. This adjustment would scale to ECM drones as well, which wouldnGÇÖt be able to jam a target nearly as long, but could still do the job of occasional lock-breaking for escape purposes or cap chain interference.
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Di Mulle
36
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Posted - 2012.02.14 16:53:00 -
[371] - Quote
Damn.
After reading the manifesto and this thread I realize I need more votes, as Hanz certainly deserves it. CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough. |
The Babyface
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.14 18:34:00 -
[372] - Quote
+1.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM!! |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
20
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Posted - 2012.02.14 18:50:00 -
[373] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:[..on ECM.. That actually is a very sensible concept .. But #1: You'd need to increase cycle time or else most BS would start out (before adding ECCM) near the half-time mark .. but that is a massive nerf to frigs/dessies and some cruisers who would be jammed 99% of the time unless they cram ECCM in 2-3 slots of which they tend to be short'ish (ie. Amarr ) plus it would favour midslot heavy ships to an extraordinary degree due to ECCM (mid) power vs. Arrays (low) (again hurting Amarr hulls).
Could be alleviated by tweaking BS sensor numbers to avoid having to increase cycle and introducing mods/rigs that add a static value to sensors rather than a +% which would be much more valuable for the low sensor hulls (cruiser down). The only way there currently is to harden a frig/dessie is to implant 350-600M (LG/HG FW sets) which is insane .. smaller hulls need more/affordable counters.
But #2: The mechanic would still require people to watch an Eve slide-show at regular intervals whenever targeted by ECM (this is my main problem with current ECM system).
Di Mulle wrote:Damn.
After reading the manifesto and this thread I realize I need more votes, as Hanz certainly deserves it. That is what corpies, alliance mates and friends in general are for .. spread the word |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1606
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Posted - 2012.02.14 19:13:00 -
[374] - Quote
Well yes. Every proposal is subject to its drawbacks and flaws, whether we're talking about ECM or the details of a war dec system. You bring up some excellent points that would certainly be part of that conversation if and when it comes.
Thanks again for all the love here everyone!! And please, tell your friends about this thread!
Anyone who'd like to be on our mailing list so you can receive and forward important announcements to your corp/alliance/community when the time comes to get out the vote, please get in touch with me ASAP.... Volunteer contacts from each corp are needed, mail me and I'll give you the details.
We're continuing to actively build our network - member by member, day by day!
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MacaMan
Tactical Ameba
0
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Posted - 2012.02.14 19:30:00 -
[375] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Faction Warfare as a feature has suffered from years of neglect.....
Not so true
According2 ccp : "Alliances can now sign up for Factional Warfare"
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Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
130
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Posted - 2012.02.14 19:42:00 -
[376] - Quote
MacaMan wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Faction Warfare as a feature has suffered from years of neglect.....
Not so true According2 ccp : "Alliances can now sign up for Factional Warfare"
No. True. The alliance feature is marginal and isn't what I consider a game changer. It helps but certainly doesn't fix the years of neglect of an area of the sandbox that can truly improve CCP's bottom line as well as bring more enjoyment for the pilots of New Eden
All the alliances that have joined FW are either current FW corps creating an alliance or RP alliances.
So the neglect continues....
EDIT: For those curious as to who the current FW alliances are. Off the top of my head;
- Villore Accords (existing Gallente FW corps forming this alliance)
- Drunk and Disorderly (same as above)
- Caldari State Capturing (existing Caldari corps forming )
- Late Night Alliance (existing Minnie FW corps)
- Electus Matari (RP Minnie alliance)
- Galllente Federal Concensus Outreach (RP Gallente alliance)
Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
98
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Posted - 2012.02.14 19:45:00 -
[377] - Quote
Deen Wispa wrote:MacaMan wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Faction Warfare as a feature has suffered from years of neglect.....
Not so true According2 ccp : "Alliances can now sign up for Factional Warfare" No. True. The alliance feature is marginal and isn't what I consider a game changer. All the alliances that have joined FW are either current FW corps creating an alliance or RP alliances. So the neglect continues.... EDIT: For those curious as to who the current FW alliances are. Off the top of my head;
- Villore Accords (existing Gallente FW corps forming this alliance)
- Drunk and Disorderly (same as above)
- Caldari State Capturing (existing Caldari corps forming )
- Late Night Alliance (existing Minnie FW corps)
- Electus Matari (RP Minnie alliance)
- Galllente Federal Concensus Outreach (RP Gallente alliance)
Also, Iron Oxide. which is the EUTZ Minmatar Corps' alliance. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Renkari
U.K.R.A.I.N.E SOLAR FLEET
0
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Posted - 2012.02.14 20:05:00 -
[378] - Quote
I was hoping there will be some people like you running for CSM7.
- I like that you tap on the community ideas instead of pursuing your own agenda.
- It's nice to see you're acknowledging people you borrow ideas from.
- I like how concrete your program is as opposed to a lot of general words.
- I like how you steer away from either extreme in regards to high-sec, and the gradient of rewards vs risk.
- Good to see you're not commenting on the areas of the game you have no idea about.
- I like how you factor in the amount of work needed to implement each feature.
- I'm delighted you prefer elegant simple solutions to large overhauls and can recognize one (as far as my own knowledge goes).
All in all even though I don't spend much time in either high-sec or low-sec, I think there should be more people from different walks of life in the new CSM and I like your program in particular. After all we may only have one year of CCP focus on FiS for all I know, and in this time we should bring as many problematic areas of the game to their attention as possible.
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Ugleb
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
162
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Posted - 2012.02.14 22:54:00 -
[379] - Quote
+1 for being a non-null sec candidate that does not appear to be frothing at the mouth over the null sec bloc domination.
Please continue to present your hi/low sec experience as your main asset, and not harp on on about those evil null sec ppl.
Oh btw, I suspect the bit in your manifesto about asteroids moving about and colliding might kill TQ when it tries to track all those extra objects moving around in the physics engine thingy. It would be like hundreds of drakes spamming missiles continuously, but happening in every system all at once. ;)
So maybe we shouldn't ask CCP to do that bit. http://uglebsjournal.wordpress.com/ |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
100
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Posted - 2012.02.14 23:12:00 -
[380] - Quote
Ugleb wrote:+1 for being a non-null sec candidate that does not appear to be frothing at the mouth over the null sec bloc domination.
Please continue to present your hi/low sec experience as your main asset, and not harp on on about those evil null sec ppl.
Oh btw, I suspect the bit in your manifesto about asteroids moving about and colliding might kill TQ when it tries to track all those extra objects moving around in the physics engine thingy. It would be like hundreds of drakes spamming missiles continuously, but happening in every system all at once. ;)
So maybe we shouldn't ask CCP to do that bit.
Hans has secret agenda to crash the CCP servers, once and for all! Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
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Mystical Might
The Imperial Fedaykin
77
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Posted - 2012.02.14 23:27:00 -
[381] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Ugleb wrote:+1 for being a non-null sec candidate that does not appear to be frothing at the mouth over the null sec bloc domination.
Please continue to present your hi/low sec experience as your main asset, and not harp on on about those evil null sec ppl.
Oh btw, I suspect the bit in your manifesto about asteroids moving about and colliding might kill TQ when it tries to track all those extra objects moving around in the physics engine thingy. It would be like hundreds of drakes spamming missiles continuously, but happening in every system all at once. ;)
So maybe we shouldn't ask CCP to do that bit. Hans has secret agenda to crash the CCP servers, once and for all!
Can I haz tinfoil hat too pl0x brosef? |
Seanigulous
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
0
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Posted - 2012.02.15 05:24:00 -
[382] - Quote
+1 from me Hans, good work on the PDF! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1674
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Posted - 2012.02.15 09:07:00 -
[383] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: One possible addition that might prove useful to the wardec mechanism would be 'defensive treaties'. Industrial corp A makes a defensive treaty with Mercenary corp B in return for a regular weekly payment. So long as A maintain the payments, then any Wardec corp C which wardecs A will then also be automatically at war with B as well. But if A declares war on corp D, then B are not involved (of course they can still declare war in the normal way if A pay them).
Defensive treaties could be optionally private, meaning that declaring war would have some hidden risks, or public in which case they could act as either a deterrent or even an incentive, depending on the confidence of the wardeccers. Meanwhile, merc corps would be able to arrange a steady income for ongoing defensive contracts, placing a premium on reputation: a powerful merc corp should be able to sustain quite a few contracts, giving them a nice income for doing nothing.
Thanks for taking the time to stop by and join the discussion, Malcanis! This is precisely the sort of thing I envision when I discuss the need for a new "security economy" in high sec space. This would bring a much-needed element of risk into high sec war declarations, creating greater challenge for the aggressor and allowing greater degree of defensive flexibility for weaker corps.
What I don't see as being healthy for high sec space is a set of dec mechanics or aggression rules that specifically foster aggression for the sake of pure sport, or pure profit. High sec warfare offers combat pilots a safety provision you can't find anywhere else in the game - the ability to cherry pick who can fight you in return. Many complain that the laws surrounding high sec warfare are uncomfortable and restrictive, but I strongly believe that pilots seeking the lowest-risk form of PvP should also find it the least rewarding.
Worsening the situation is that long overdue economic balancing in low sec has pushed a lot of true piracy into high sec space, where blinged-out mission runners holding false expectations of security end up gutted for profit. A proper reward balance should entice the lucrative targets to venture into dangerous territory to increase their gains, so that the bulk of for-profit warfare occurs in the region it is supported best by the game mechanics.
I would love to see these problems approached systematically, tackling the underlying issues rather than spending an inordinate amount of time bickering about how to overhaul a complicated system (that, for the record, is already in the process of being overhauled). War dec reform is important, but "griefing" type predatory high sec PvP can be reduced the most by ensuring that highly attractive alternatives flourish next door in low sec space.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1676
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Posted - 2012.02.15 09:47:00 -
[384] - Quote
Ugleb wrote:+1 for being a non-null sec candidate that does not appear to be frothing at the mouth over the null sec bloc domination.
Please continue to present your hi/low sec experience as your main asset, and not harp on on about those evil null sec ppl.
Well, the null sec bloc domination is a serious issue, but I promise to keep my froth under control.
The issue isn't with "evil null sec ppl" anyways, I have no hard feelings against any of the players themselves. I also believe that most of the 0.0 alliance leaders elected to the CSM govern with the best intentions.
However, no council member is immune to their own bias, so we must also secure a voice on the council that will fight to protect the interests of empire citizens.
Quote:Oh btw, I suspect the bit in your manifesto about asteroids moving about and colliding might kill TQ when it tries to track all those extra objects moving around in the physics engine thingy. It would be like hundreds of drakes spamming missiles continuously, but happening in every system all at once. ;)
So maybe we shouldn't ask CCP to do that bit.
There isn't any harm in asking, they can always have a laugh and say "No." A new physics engine is, admittedly, not the most efficient way to improve mining, we can probably better tackle the boredom factor by addressing the mineral distribution within the asteroids, and better tackle the botting problem by implementing a visual texture-based solution.
The reason I discussed asteroid movement is because developmentally, mining remains in such an infant state that it invites much more imaginative changes than other features. I wanted readers to have a sense for how I personally envision a more thrilling mining environment, despite there being obvious technical considerations. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2949
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Posted - 2012.02.15 10:47:00 -
[385] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Malcanis wrote: One possible addition that might prove useful to the wardec mechanism would be 'defensive treaties'. Industrial corp A makes a defensive treaty with Mercenary corp B in return for a regular weekly payment. So long as A maintain the payments, then any Wardec corp C which wardecs A will then also be automatically at war with B as well. But if A declares war on corp D, then B are not involved (of course they can still declare war in the normal way if A pay them).
Defensive treaties could be optionally private, meaning that declaring war would have some hidden risks, or public in which case they could act as either a deterrent or even an incentive, depending on the confidence of the wardeccers. Meanwhile, merc corps would be able to arrange a steady income for ongoing defensive contracts, placing a premium on reputation: a powerful merc corp should be able to sustain quite a few contracts, giving them a nice income for doing nothing.
Thanks for taking the time to stop by and join the discussion, Malcanis! This is precisely the sort of thing I envision when I discuss the need for a new "security economy" in high sec space. This would bring a much-needed element of risk into high sec war declarations, creating greater challenge for the aggressor and allowing greater degree of defensive flexibility for weaker corps. What I don't see as being healthy for high sec space is a set of dec mechanics or aggression rules that specifically foster aggression for the sake of pure sport, or pure profit. High sec warfare offers combat pilots a safety provision you can't find anywhere else in the game - the ability to cherry pick who can fight you in return. Many complain that the laws surrounding high sec warfare are uncomfortable and restrictive, but I strongly believe that pilots seeking the lowest-risk form of PvP should also find it the least rewarding. Worsening the situation is that long overdue economic balancing in low sec has pushed a lot of true piracy into high sec space, where blinged-out mission runners holding false expectations of security end up gutted for profit. A proper reward balance should entice the lucrative targets to venture into dangerous territory to increase their gains, so that the bulk of for-profit warfare occurs in the region it is supported best by the game mechanics. I would love to see these problems approached systematically, tackling the underlying issues rather than spending an inordinate amount of time bickering about how to overhaul a complicated system (that, for the record, is already in the process of being overhauled). War dec reform is important, but "griefing" type predatory high sec PvP can be reduced the most by ensuring that highly attractive alternatives flourish next door in low sec space.
One big buff for lo-sec that I have long been in favour of is to remove the sec increase gained from killing 0.0 rats. You can't lose sec in 0.0, there's no need to improve it in 0.0, it's not a stat that's relevent to 0.0. It makes no more sense for sec to be gained from killing nullsec rats than it would to require minmatar standings to get the best refine rates in a minmatar player outpost. But instead, nullsec is far and away the best place to regain sec.
If sec could only be regained by killing rats in empire space, where sec status is actually relevant, then there would actually be a reason for people to be in lo-sec belts: it would be the best place to regain sec (in fact the only place for those whose sec is below -5.0), and we'd once again see people actually belt ratting in low.
Of course, lo-sec belt ratting is more dangerous than nullsec ratting, so this idea is frequently opposed by players who believe they should be able to gank anyone in hi-sec, but they shouldn't in turn be exposed to risk in lo-sec. Genuine pirates are all in favour of it. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Indius Lux
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.15 14:27:00 -
[386] - Quote
Belts should spawn, get mined out, and despawn. Static belts that grow make no sense anyway. There should be more reliance on the Survey Scanner, one way to do this is to have diminishing returns on yield. Keep miners busy, require some intelligence to get a decent yield, and have something shooting at you all the time; asteroid belts should be a great place for criminals to hang out. They should have bars there.
PvE should have fewer ships that act more like real ships. There's no real scenario where you warp up to a bunch of ships and start shooting one of them and they don't all target you. CCP should quite literally fit these ships like real ones and use real established tactics to attack and defend, which in turn would require the player to use real PvP to oppose them.
And my personal pet peeve: industry requires too much math, paper, and spreadsheets, it's like a job for a computer... Allow players to easily calculate all the resources for a job without using the Manufacturing dialog, if you have no free slots you can't even see if you can build one print, let alone 10.
Oh, and Hans for CSM 7 - Read the manifesto!
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2051
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Posted - 2012.02.15 15:47:00 -
[387] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: One big buff for lo-sec that I have long been in favour of is to remove the sec increase gained from killing 0.0 rats. You can't lose sec in 0.0, there's no need to improve it in 0.0, it's not a stat that's relevent to 0.0. It makes no more sense for sec to be gained from killing nullsec rats than it would to require minmatar standings to get the best refine rates in a minmatar player outpost. But instead, nullsec is far and away the best place to regain sec.
I agree, this is totally lame and senseless, which is why I included it in my platform. It's an easy fix and a great buff to empire space. I get tired of seeing Faction Warfare pilots take 0.0 trips to restore negative sec hits, instead of being able to do the same just as effectively in their own backyards (where CONCORD actually cares what goes on, unlike 0.0) This is a change you'll hear my pushing for should I be elected to CSM7.
Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2051
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 15:52:00 -
[388] - Quote
Indius Lux wrote:Belts should spawn, get mined out, and despawn. Static belts that grow make no sense anyway. There should be more reliance on the Survey Scanner, one way to do this is to have diminishing returns on yield. Keep miners busy, require some intelligence to get a decent yield, and have something shooting at you all the time; asteroid belts should be a great place for criminals to hang out. They should have bars there.
Agreed, though the "great place for criminals" should apply more to low sec than to high sec. I think high sec should offer normal yields and the least likelihood of a gank attack, while low sec should offer increased yields for mining operations but require more scouting or armed escort to pull off successfully.
Otherwise, the respawning of belts and dynamic distribution of mineral within the roids (navigable with the scanner) are pretty common sense mining improvements I hope CCP considers. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.02.15 15:56:00 -
[389] - Quote
Indius Lux wrote:Belts should spawn, get mined out, and despawn. Static belts that grow make no sense anyway. There should be more reliance on the Survey Scanner, one way to do this is to have diminishing returns on yield. Keep miners busy, require some intelligence to get a decent yield, and have something shooting at you all the time; asteroid belts should be a great place for criminals to hang out. They should have bars there. I disagree a few of these points. There should be belts that spawn but I believe that a system wide belt that requires you to scan down and find better yield asteroids would be much more "epic." Survey scanners I believe should tell you exactly what it does now i.e. how much of whatever mineral is in the asteroid. Also they should have all the names of the asteroids as "Asteroid" so you need to look at or use a survey scanner to determine what type of mineral you will get. Mining is usually considered as a semi afk activity and there are lots of out crys that I've seen saying that they want it to stay more or less that way. It is a fairly relaxed profession and should reflect that, leave the high isk out in low/nul where people are much more willing to pay attention and aren't doing homework/cooking/laundry or what have you. By all means voice any and all concerns about mining in the thread below. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=59357&find=unread |
Duvell
ZERO HEAVY INDUSTRIES
1
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:16:00 -
[390] - Quote
As much as i would rather terminate that respawning clone of yours Hans ! I give you my support for CSM 7 |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1681
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:34:00 -
[391] - Quote
Joyitii wrote:Mining is usually considered as a semi afk activity and there are lots of out crys that I've seen saying that they want it to stay more or less that way. It is a fairly relaxed profession and should reflect that, leave the high isk out in low/nul where people are much more willing to pay attention and aren't doing homework/cooking/laundry or what have you.
This is a decision regarding to mining development that has to be considered extremely carefully. I understand that some miners enjoy the semi-afk game play it allows, but this is also the same quality to mining as an activity that makes it a prime target for griefing.
Miners who want to protect mining as a semi-afk activity must also relinquish their rights to complain when the Goons come and kill their barges, or Hulkageddon keeps them docked for a week or two. Some do, most donGÇÖt.
I think weGÇÖve all settled with mining as being a boring, afk activity only in the absence of CCP offering something much more engaging. I think most miners would prefer to spend a couple of hours with an entertaining feature that requires their full attention, than spend half the day babysitting something valuable that can be taken from them in a momentGÇÖs notice and jeopardize all the profit they could have earned had they been at their computer.
IGÇÖm trying to approach the mining issue with respect to the negative impact it has had on the entire social fabric of EvE for years now. The mining/ganking/botting argument circle has been going around and around endlessly and I feel itGÇÖs such a waste of time when we could simply come up with something fun to play instead. Mining remains one of the most outdated professions (along with industry) in terms of development; I see no virtue in preserving a relic from the past if CCP can be convinced to dedicate the resources needed to iterate upon the core system.
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Indius Lux
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:39:00 -
[392] - Quote
Joyitii wrote:I disagree a few of these points. I don't think we disagree, I'd be happy to see more emphasis on scannable sites. The spawning sites I mentioned would be on overview, but their migration and distribution around system would decrease the can fields we see currently. We don't disagree on what the Survey Scanner should do; I just think that a big rock might have no ore in it and a small rock might have a lot. The only way to tell that should be via the Survey Scanner, but currently it doesn't really matter what rock you mine, it all puts out the same amount per cycle just the quantity before it's exhausted is different. And I'm sure that those making their income off of mining would put up a fight over making their job more complicated, but I don't think there's anyone who thinks mining is anything other than boring. Turning a boring activity into an interesting one should have a net positive effect on the userbase.
As you mentioned, there's a thread for this kind of stuff, and this probably isn't the place to get into a detailed and exhaustive analysis of mining. I just saw a trivit about rocks smashing into each other and physics engines which got me off on a tangent: I don't mine because it's boring, I don't PvE because it's boring, it can be fixed and Hans is my candidate (though I'm sure I'd rather he push iterating security and getting FW some love before fixing things I don't do because they are boring)
Carebears and Pirates for Jagerblitzen! |
Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.02.15 17:02:00 -
[393] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Joyitii wrote:Mining is usually considered as a semi afk activity and there are lots of out crys that I've seen saying that they want it to stay more or less that way. It is a fairly relaxed profession and should reflect that, leave the high isk out in low/nul where people are much more willing to pay attention and aren't doing homework/cooking/laundry or what have you. This is a decision regarding to mining development that has to be considered extremely carefully. I understand that some miners enjoy the semi-afk game play it allows, but this is also the same quality to mining as an activity that makes it a prime target for griefing. Miners who want to protect mining as a semi-afk activity must also relinquish their rights to complain when the Goons come and kill their barges, or Hulkageddon keeps them docked for a week or two. Some do, most donGÇÖt. I think weGÇÖve all settled with mining as being a boring, afk activity only in the absence of CCP offering something much more engaging. I think most miners would prefer to spend a couple of hours with an entertaining feature that requires their full attention, than spend half the day babysitting something valuable that can be taken from them in a momentGÇÖs notice and jeopardize all the profit they could have earned had they been at their computer. IGÇÖm trying to approach the mining issue with respect to the negative impact it has had on the entire social fabric of EvE for years now. The mining/ganking/botting argument circle has been going around and around endlessly and I feel itGÇÖs such a waste of time when we could simply come up with something fun to play instead. Mining remains one of the most outdated professions (along with industry) in terms of development; I see no virtue in preserving a relic from the past if CCP can be convinced to dedicate the resources needed to iterate upon the core system. A large reason that it is griefed is also due to miners not fitting any tank whatsoever and then the very small crowd of loud people complaining about it all over the forums. There are PLENTY of people who suck it up and take the risk or tank up their battle hulks and don't complain about it on the forums because they know how and why their ship got blown up. On the post that I mentioned earlier there are complaints about mining turning into some kind of minigame or quicktime event. Changing the things that I've mentioned would in my opinion keep things closer to the core of what eve is. Player made content - risk of being scanned down and being shot up. Going to low and null and taking those big risks of a ship being blown up. I know that the player made content comment is going to get me flamed all to high hell but I think that keeping the mechanics of mining (Point laser - Shoot rock) close to being the same but the logistics (Having to scout out the best part of a belt to mine from) behind it all much more deep will satisfy the most amount of people. |
Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.02.15 17:05:00 -
[394] - Quote
Indius Lux wrote:Joyitii wrote:I disagree a few of these points. I don't think we disagree, I'd be happy to see more emphasis on scannable sites. The spawning sites I mentioned would be on overview, but their migration and distribution around system would decrease the can fields we see currently. We don't disagree on what the Survey Scanner should do; I just think that a big rock might have no ore in it and a small rock might have a lot. The only way to tell that should be via the Survey Scanner, but currently it doesn't really matter what rock you mine, it all puts out the same amount per cycle just the quantity before it's exhausted is different. And I'm sure that those making their income off of mining would put up a fight over making their job more complicated, but I don't think there's anyone who thinks mining is anything other than boring. Turning a boring activity into an interesting one should have a net positive effect on the userbase. As you mentioned, there's a thread for this kind of stuff, and this probably isn't the place to get into a detailed and exhaustive analysis of mining. I just saw a trivit about rocks smashing into each other and physics engines which got me off on a tangent: I don't mine because it's boring, I don't PvE because it's boring, it can be fixed and Hans is my candidate (though I'm sure I'd rather he push iterating security and getting FW some love before fixing things I don't do because they are boring) Carebears and Pirates for Jagerblitzen! I'm glad that we agree on more than I had initially thought! The comment about rocks hitting each other rubbed me the wrong way too. I however decided to stay quiet since I thought that there were starting to be too many posts in this thread about mining where it could better be discussed elsewhere. Anyway here I go on another one... |
Mortromain
Lazy Settlers
0
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Posted - 2012.02.15 18:45:00 -
[395] - Quote
Hi Hans,
i just read your pdf and tried to read all your intervention on this post. While i like some things (farming SS only in low sec is a great idea), i have an awful feeling about your SS system changes
In your pdf, it seems like you want to make the low sec a wide place for free for all FW : PvP without consequences.
But there are already ways to do this (FW, mutual wardec, NPC 0.0 and RvB), why would you want low sec to be like this?
I live in low-sec, i earn isks through trading and PvE and enjoy PVP from time to time, i know pirates are around and i like it. I like the risks, even though i earn less than i would in high sec. But if every one can shoot me without consequences, this would not be possible anymore. Low sec is not a battle arena, it's a place were PvP is more likely to happen and you must be prepared for it. I don't want it to become a place where every one can do anything without a second thought, EvE is a game where your actions matter, and this is great. Destroying a passing ship is not consensual PvP, it's piracy and should be treated a such.
Living in low sec is hard, if anyone can go in it, kill me a bunch of time and return to high sec when they are broke, making twice as much money as i do, i'm doomed. (i'm just realizing that this is what pirates are living against anti pirates)
Don't get me wrong, i don't want low sec to be secure. But it must be (as it is now) between high sec and null-space.
Some of your answers in this post made me think that somehow you share my vision of low-sec, but i don't think this is consistent with what you are proposing in your pdf.
So my question : - Do you think that low sec should be a place where people can live in doing other stuff than PvP? or should it just be a battle arena where anyone can shoot at anything? |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
131
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:35:00 -
[396] - Quote
I agree with Hans. The mining community will need to figure out what balance they want b/w preserving the semi AFK activity and more rewarding content that could be the mining profession. This isn't the thread for it though.
I'd also like to say that you shouldn't expect too much from CCP in the upcoming year about changes to the mining profession and don't expect any candidate including Hans to hail in major changes wrt to this profession. CCP will always have their own agenda and the CSM simply acts as a liason to provide feedback and ensure the development process goes smoothly. This year's agenda will be on 'war' so vote for your candidate with that in mind. I'm sure Hans or any CSM candidate will try to voice the concerns of miners or whichever constituents they represent, but just keep in mind how CCP operates.
Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Little Brat
The Mighty
0
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:32:00 -
[397] - Quote
Greetings, all players need to be represented on the CSM. 8% of players live in 0.0; 67% live in 0.5 or above. Votes for candidates should be allocated based on population. It is absurd the CSM should be so misresented as it was last year. I've played EVE since September 2003. I've done everything except FW. Am going to support you, let me know if in my modest means I can help. QUESTION: I hate botting, there is a lot of it going on. I propose that at the announcement "Request for docking permission" the pilot would have to enter a randomly generated password for docking permission to be granted. Comment? |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
168
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:32:00 -
[398] - Quote
Posting in the hope for a candidacy view on the following: Bounty Hunting
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1688
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:44:00 -
[399] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Posting in the hope for a candidacy view on the following: Bounty Hunting
Thanks for the inquiry, Grumpy Owly !! I specifically discuss Malcanis's bounty hunting system as part of my core platform. I encourage you to read my platform document, it's linked in the second post in this thread, let me know if you have any other questions after reading what I have to say about the subject.
I appreciate your interest in my campaign! |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
168
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:52:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Posting in the hope for a candidacy view on the following: Bounty Hunting Thanks for the inquiry, Grumpy Owly !! I specifically discuss Malcanis's bounty hunting system as part of my core platform. I encourage you to read my platform document, it's linked in the second post in this thread, let me know if you have any other questions after reading what I have to say about the subject. I appreciate your interest in my campaign!
Yes apologies if I seem to have come accross ignorant to your support to correcting BH as it stands. I had to post to everyone to ensure impartiality. Perhaps lazy of me I guess, but the open thread for the discussin wasn't getting an responce from candidates. Largely I appreciate you are busy and juggling many balls etc so I understand largley why.
Where possible can I request if you would afford a few moments to posting a stance on the topic in the linked thread I provided. It would be nice to see a holistic view of the subject.
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1688
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:59:00 -
[401] - Quote
Sure thing, Grumpy. I'll be happy to summarize my thoughts for you, I have been asked a few questions now that require more detailed answers now so I'll catch up when I get home from work.
Thanks for asking! I appreciate your patience. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
103
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:41:00 -
[402] - Quote
Little Brat wrote:Greetings, all players need to be represented on the CSM. 8% of players live in 0.0; 67% live in 0.5 or above. Votes for candidates should be allocated based on population. It is absurd the CSM should be so misresented as it was last year. I've played EVE since September 2003. I've done everything except FW. Am going to support you, let me know if in my modest means I can help. QUESTION: I hate botting, there is a lot of it going on. I propose that at the announcement "Request for docking permission" the pilot would have to enter a randomly generated password for docking permission to be granted. Comment?
This would certainly help the botting problem, but it would also be a massive inconvenience for actual players and therefore, I don't think it is a good idea. Having to input a PW just to dock all the time? Yikes! Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Mystical Might
The Imperial Fedaykin
77
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Posted - 2012.02.16 02:26:00 -
[403] - Quote
What're your thoughts on... LOKI BOOSTAZ. And boosting T3s in general? (Can you haz pl0x remove dem pl0x? I won't even be mad). |
Indius Lux
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 02:29:00 -
[404] - Quote
CCP has demonstrated that it's in their own best interests to address botting; their largest effort to date cut server CPU usage by 30%. That team must still be in place in some form, they just need to be given some authority to address the issue. I remember when I went through an anti botting phase and petitioned numerous bots without ever receiving a response, it's clearly an issue of manpower. I think the clearest path here is to a) iterate security b) make asteroids require a modicum of intelligence and attention to return the best yield c) make missions behave more like the advanced AI CCP has already shown Remove the fertile grounds that make botting possible while enhancing user experience: Hans for CSM
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Galatica789
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
15
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:11:00 -
[405] - Quote
plus 1 |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2966
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:38:00 -
[406] - Quote
Little Brat wrote:Greetings, all players need to be represented on the CSM. 8% of players live in 0.0; 67% live in 0.5 or above. Votes for candidates should be allocated based on population.
But votes are allocated based on population: 1 vote per account. Hi-sec has 67% of the vote.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
266
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Posted - 2012.02.16 12:20:00 -
[407] - Quote
Mortromain wrote:Hi Hans,
I just read your pdf and tried to read all your intervention on this post. While i like some things (farming SS only in low sec is a great idea), i have an awful feeling about your SS system changes
In your pdf, it seems like you want to make the low sec a wide place for free for all FW : PvP without consequences.
I don't think many people in low sec are deterred from ganking you due to the anti-pvp ss mechanics. Either they have decided they will not shoot neutrals, or they likely blow up your ship if they think they can get away with it.
Also he is not trying move all of low sec to the sisi. Ships and modules will still cost isk so PVP will still have consequences.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Mortromain
Lazy Settlers
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 13:05:00 -
[408] - Quote
Cearain wrote: I don't think many people in low sec are deterred from ganking you due to the anti-pvp ss mechanics. Either they have decided they will not shoot neutrals, or they likely blow up your ship if they think they can get away with it.
Also he is not trying move all of low sec to the sisi. Ships and modules will still cost isk so PVP will still have consequences.
I aggree that people in low sec already made their choice about whether they will shoot neutral or not. However, they will either have to forget about high sec at some point or to stop.
and many people don't come to low sec because of this SS system. These changes might make casual piracy too easy. This could be good (i mean more people = more fight), but low sec should be a place where people live, not some sort of toilets where people come doing **** and leave. I'm afraid of a lowsec becoming as dangerous as nullsec.
FW already is an arena for consensual PvP. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
266
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Posted - 2012.02.16 14:20:00 -
[409] - Quote
Mortromain wrote:Cearain wrote: I don't think many people in low sec are deterred from ganking you due to the anti-pvp ss mechanics. Either they have decided they will not shoot neutrals, or they likely blow up your ship if they think they can get away with it.
Also he is not trying move all of low sec to the sisi. Ships and modules will still cost isk so PVP will still have consequences.
I aggree that people in low sec already made their choice about whether they will shoot neutral or not. However, they will either have to forget about high sec at some point or to stop. and many people don't come to low sec because of this SS system. These changes might make casual piracy too easy. This could be good (i mean more people = more fight), but low sec should be a place where people live, not some sort of toilets where people come doing **** and leave. I'm afraid of a lowsec becoming as dangerous as nullsec. FW already is an arena for consensual PvP.
I think you are probably right that this will bring more people into low sec looking for pvp. This in turn might mean that pvers will have more people looking to kill them per system. That would likely mean somewhat fewer pvers. I tend to think it would be a net increase for low sec though.
However if this happens ccp could do at least 2 different things to offset this. 1) they could make more low sec systems like they did with black rise. This would mean there are no longer more people per system and pvers could still find a quieter system for pve. 2) They could give some increases in the rewards pvers get in low sec.
The end result would mean more people are in low sec doing what they want to do. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:12:00 -
[410] - Quote
Cearain wrote:Mortromain wrote:Cearain wrote: I don't think many people in low sec are deterred from ganking you due to the anti-pvp ss mechanics. Either they have decided they will not shoot neutrals, or they likely blow up your ship if they think they can get away with it.
Also he is not trying move all of low sec to the sisi. Ships and modules will still cost isk so PVP will still have consequences.
I aggree that people in low sec already made their choice about whether they will shoot neutral or not. However, they will either have to forget about high sec at some point or to stop. and many people don't come to low sec because of this SS system. These changes might make casual piracy too easy. This could be good (i mean more people = more fight), but low sec should be a place where people live, not some sort of toilets where people come doing **** and leave. I'm afraid of a lowsec becoming as dangerous as nullsec. FW already is an arena for consensual PvP. I think you are probably right that this will bring more people into low sec looking for pvp. This in turn might mean that pvers will have more people looking to kill them per system. That would likely mean somewhat fewer pvers. I tend to think it would be a net increase for low sec though. However if this happens ccp could do at least 2 different things to offset this. 1) they could make more low sec systems like they did with black rise. This would mean there are no longer more people per system and pvers could still find a quieter system for pve. 2) They could give some increases in the rewards pvers get in low sec. The end result would mean more people are in low sec doing what they want to do. I do really think that they should increase the number of lowsec systems too. It'll make it harder to track down people in those systems and add a false sense of security to have more people come out and stay a while. Personally I'd love to mine in lowsec but at the current time there are just too many people roaming the systems at pretty much all hours. Plus more systems adds to the already large universe which I have a feeling may become fairly cramped if all things on the horizon go well. |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1708
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Posted - 2012.02.16 15:54:00 -
[411] - Quote
Mortromain wrote: - Do you think that low sec should be a place where people can live in doing other stuff than PvP? or should it just be a battle arena where anyone can shoot at anything?
Excellent question. Low sec should provide both, in the end, I donGÇÖt see them as mutually exclusive. Many of my corpmates do not earn their income through PvP, they earn it from the many PvE activities there are to do in the region.
Pirates are the main group of players that earn their isk through PvP, though there are some individuals in the militia who loot enough to get by. The vast majority of us in the low sec casual PvP crowd are usually engaged in other activities, such as FW missions, exploration sites, static plexes, and generalized ratting, mining, and industry.
All of these activities not only need to be protected, they need to be enhanced. Low sec doesn't suffer a total lack of content, its just that the reward doesn't scale up enough to properly entice high sec players to take the "risk" and play in low sec.
The reason I say GÇ£riskGÇ£ in quotes is because I like to be real specific about which activities I consider to carry a chance-based negative outcome. Risk to me is flying a large ship blindly through a gate, with no scout, and no defensive modules such as a warp core stabilizer or cloaking device. Most low sec pilots donGÇÖt do these things, and those that do deserve to lose their ship.
The fact is, most ratting, missioning, exploration, mining, and hauling can all be done relatively risk free, if done in the proper ship, using the proper fitting, and the proper piloting techniques. Defensive scanning and working with friends goes a long way towards making low sec a lot less scary. You really have a choice 95% of the time whether to engage in PvP, or whether to avoid it if you so desire.
None of the low sec proposals I endorse really change that reality. When I talk about low sec being fight club, or a battle arena, IGÇÖm specifically referring to supporting those of us that PvP against each other for sport. The Jack Dant proposal, for example, removes the GCC flag from two pilots of negative security status engaging each other on a gate, GCC and sentry fire would still apply to a pirate attacking a mission boat or hauler.
I believe its possible to simultaneously increase the rewards for the non-PvP activities in the region, and still make it easier for those that want to PvP against each other without the legal restrictions of high sec or the alliance politics of null sec interfering. The pilots who simply want to run PvE or harvest resources in low sec would retain all the same tools for protection that they have today.
The real danger, as you pointed out, is in low sec becoming like null. I do NOT support measures like allowing bubbles in lowsec that would hamper the ability to move and operate freely, provided the pilot is in the proper ship or properly scouts the way. In null, interdiction ability dramatically changes both the tangible risk of jumping through a gate and the risk of warping to an object. There needs to be a hard line drawn between the two regions, because the impact on casual play (both PvE and PvP) is immense.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1708
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:05:00 -
[412] - Quote
Little Brat wrote:QUESTION: I hate botting, there is a lot of it going on. I propose that at the announcement "Request for docking permission" the pilot would have to enter a randomly generated password for docking permission to be granted. Comment?
I hate botting too, but unfortunately this specific request I think might be a bit heavy handed. It would work great for preventing bot activity, but it would severely hamper PvP, because like Vordak pointed out youGÇÖd see a lot of ship deaths when a pilot fails to type fast enough.
The way we should fix botting, in my opinion, is to fix the core activity and game play such that artificial intelligence can no longer substitute for human intuition. There is a reason we donGÇÖt see PvP bots GÇô there are too many variables. I think itGÇÖs possible to get mining and missioning content into that realm as well, with some development effort. When we do , the enjoyment level of the game increases for everyone, and its a far better goal to be striving for than simply adding password-type stop gap solutions.
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Mortromain
Lazy Settlers
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:23:00 -
[413] - Quote
well to be more specific, blocking SS loss to -2 as long as your not podkilling is my problem, this kind of allow piracy without drawbacks. On the other hand, allowing someone to shoot at negative status without drawback when in low sec is fine with me. |
K8 Solo
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:42:00 -
[414] - Quote
Hans is why I am in Faction Warfare today.
He's a good guy, he's a smart guy, and in terms of fairness and consideration, one of the best people I've met in EVE so far.
Anyone that lives in lowsec or highsec, or even wanders there from time to time for a change of pace would be well off to vote for him. He will do a great job of representing us.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1714
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:23:00 -
[415] - Quote
Mortromain wrote:well to be more specific, blocking SS loss to -2 as long as your not podkilling is my problem, this kind of allow piracy without drawbacks. On the other hand, allowing someone to shoot at negative status without drawback when in low sec is fine with me.
Cearain made the excellent point that sentry fire itself is only a roadbump to piracy and doesnGÇÖt really GÇ£protectGÇ£ the mission runner or miner wandering through low sec. Pirates can use logistics to overcome this barrier quite easily, so you still have to use measures like cloaks, stabs, scouting, and safety in numbers to minimize losses.
If players with any negative security status became fair game to fire upon, that to me is a far greater penalty to breaking the law than simply being shot by a low sec sentry gun. Gate guns only restrict the type of ships pirates can use, they donGÇÖt stop them from doing their job.
High sec players wanting to move to low sec and PvE or mine successfully have to learn basic self-defense techniques anyways, and none my proposed changes to low sec affect the usefulness of those techniques. Once a pilot learns to scout, cloaky travel, and scan for danger, gate guns become negligible in terms of their impact on true GÇ£riskGÇ£. TheyGÇÖre tinfoil protection at best, so IGÇÖm fine with lifting them under the right circumstances.
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Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
134
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:10:00 -
[416] - Quote
Mortromain wrote:Cearain wrote: I don't think many people in low sec are deterred from ganking you due to the anti-pvp ss mechanics. Either they have decided they will not shoot neutrals, or they likely blow up your ship if they think they can get away with it.
Also he is not trying move all of low sec to the sisi. Ships and modules will still cost isk so PVP will still have consequences.
I aggree that people in low sec already made their choice about whether they will shoot neutral or not. However, they will either have to forget about high sec at some point or to stop. and many people don't come to low sec because of this SS system. These changes might make casual piracy too easy. This could be good (i mean more people = more fight), but low sec should be a place where people live, not some sort of toilets where people come doing **** and leave. I'm afraid of a lowsec becoming as dangerous as nullsec. FW already is an arena for consensual PvP.
Your logic that pilots will need "to forget about hisec at some point or to stop" is iffy. Because tons of pilots have been trying to balance their outlaw status and keep it above -2 just so they have the freedom to enter hisec. I'm one of them. Quite frankly, I hate trying to balance it and Hans solution could make my life a heck of alot easier.
In an ideal world, lowsec should be a place for 'long term' residents but no one to my knowledge has really presented a viable long term fix that can work within CCP's development framework. Have you found someone who has presented an alternative framework for lowsec that you'd like to bring to our awareness? I have some issues with Han's platform on lowsec but it's still the most REALISTIC solution I've seen so far.
It can be argued that nullsec is safer than lowsec. Once you get past the initial bubble camps, it's practically empty. Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Timmy Tebow
Saevos Aviation Saevos Aviation LLC
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 19:50:00 -
[417] - Quote
I hope I didn't miss these elsewhere in the thread, but I have three questions for you:
1) How do you feel about time dilation and the potential impact it has on CCP in regards to demotivating them in upgrading server hardware?
2) PLEX/GTC prices are too damn high. How will you leverage your influence on the CSM to bring down the price of game time paid with isk?
3) How should CCP reward veterans for their longevity in playing this game instead of punishing them via "end-game" nerfs?
Thanks for answering and good luck in your campaign! |
Mongo Edwards
Grey Templars Ushra'Khan
6
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Posted - 2012.02.16 20:51:00 -
[418] - Quote
You got all 3 of my votes Hans!
FW/low sec needs an advocate on the CSM and I applaud you for stepping up to run. |
Bob McGenericname
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
7
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:18:00 -
[419] - Quote
Timmy Tebow wrote:I hope I didn't miss these elsewhere in the thread, but I have three questions for you:
1) How do you feel about time dilation and the potential impact it has on CCP in regards to demotivating them in upgrading server hardware?
2) PLEX/GTC prices are too damn high. How will you leverage your influence on the CSM to bring down the price of game time paid with isk?
3) How should CCP reward veterans for their longevity in playing this game instead of punishing them via "end-game" nerfs?
Thanks for answering and good luck in your campaign!
Allow me to answer, using my own style of drunken shitpost-fu
1) Wow, Timmy, that's a really bad question. Like, you should feel bad for how bad that question was. TiDi is something that probably won't touch us lowsec warriors, and it's apparently making the game a whole shitload more playable out in null
2) While you're at it Hans, could you use GM market fuckery to drop the prices on Gyrostabilisers? You can do that, right? Just make **** on the market cheaper? That's a thing
3) You know what I have in rewards for longevity? A whole fuckload of SP. Like my ships are 10-20% better, just because it's my dumb ass in front of the wheel. That's pretty nifty.
In conclusion, your questions are really bad and you should feel bad for them. Kill yourself and give me your stuff |
Ugleb
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
162
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Posted - 2012.02.16 21:53:00 -
[420] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Ugleb wrote:+1 for being a non-null sec candidate that does not appear to be frothing at the mouth over the null sec bloc domination.
Please continue to present your hi/low sec experience as your main asset, and not harp on on about those evil null sec ppl.
Well, the null sec bloc domination is a serious issue, but I promise to keep my froth under control. The issue isn't with "evil null sec ppl" anyways, I have no hard feelings against any of the players themselves. I also believe that most of the 0.0 alliance leaders elected to the CSM govern with the best intentions. However, no council member is immune to their own bias, so we must also secure a voice on the council that will fight to protect the interests of empire citizens. Quote:Oh btw, I suspect the bit in your manifesto about asteroids moving about and colliding might kill TQ when it tries to track all those extra objects moving around in the physics engine thingy. It would be like hundreds of drakes spamming missiles continuously, but happening in every system all at once. ;)
So maybe we shouldn't ask CCP to do that bit. There isn't any harm in asking, they can always have a laugh and say "No." A new physics engine is, admittedly, not the most efficient way to improve mining, we can probably better tackle the boredom factor by addressing the mineral distribution within the asteroids, and better tackle the botting problem by implementing a visual texture-based solution. The reason I discussed asteroid movement is because developmentally, mining remains in such an infant state that it invites much more imaginative changes than other features. I wanted readers to have a sense for how I personally envision a more thrilling mining environment, despite there being obvious technical considerations.
You might have just earned my vote as well as my +1, well done.
Yes I do agree that null sec was probably over represented in CSM 6, and I say that as someone who has spent the vast majority of my considerable EVE-time out there.
I think your incremental changes approach to low sec/FW is practical, but I'd warn against being overly conservative. You're absolutely right that it is the PVP that should be incentivised over the PVE elements of FW, but I think that some deeper reaching changes need to be made to the mechanics then simply redistributing rewards.
But mostly, occupancy needs to be made important. That has always been FW's key failing and the core reason why I have spent years in null sec rather than in FW. I love my RP, but pointless objectives are pointless. http://uglebsjournal.wordpress.com/ |
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Devore Sekk
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:03:00 -
[421] - Quote
Deen Wispa wrote:In an ideal world, lowsec should be a place for 'long term' residents but no one to my knowledge has really presented a viable long term fix that can work within CCP's development framework. Have you found someone who has presented an alternative framework for lowsec that you'd like to bring to our awareness? I have some issues with Han's platform on lowsec but it's still the most REALISTIC solution I've seen so far.
Agreed, and lets be realistic here about the role of the CSM. CSM are not game designers. I am skeptical of the candidates proposing grand and sweeping changes to gameplay and mechanics, such as Kelduum's war-deck scheme, which will never see the light of day, and hopefully will not be left to linger and burn up scarce CSM and CCP time. The advantage of Hans' proposals, even if you don't like them, is that they are small and iterative, aren't heavy-handed, ham-fisted attempts to bully players into a given playstyle, and many can probably be implemented in a few hours and thrown up on the CCP internal test servers.
Small changes that give players more options = good. Massive changes that dictate and restrict gameplay = bad. |
Mortromain
Lazy Settlers
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 23:38:00 -
[422] - Quote
Ok, i understand more why i was troubled by this SS threshold thing.
I fear that allowing piracy without highsec interdiction might transform low-sec into a huge amamake. I mean, what you call drawbacks, i don't : - The isk loss is nothing, a high sec player will have chosen to dedicate it to "sport" as you say. A pirate need to kill me to make isk, i need to survive if i want to make profit at the end of the day, it would kind of unbalance the game to put people messing around without any care for profitability. - being shootable by anyone in low sec is not a drawback, it's what they want. I understand that a lot of people want to do casual and consensual PvP, but that is basically what FW offers (without the FFA part, can't you do without it?).
Besides, pvping for "sport" seems more like putting a pvp tag on you to me, like in some other games. Eve is not this kind of game, it is a game where your actions affects the way you play. Besides, there are not many things you can't do in low sec (if any), it's just harder.
To Deen Wispa :
Deen Wispa wrote:Quite frankly, I hate trying to balance it and Hans solution could make my life a heck of alot easier. That's precisely my point.
Deen Wispa wrote:It can be argued that nullsec is safer than lowsec I agree, the word easier is what i should have used, there are more stations and less jumps to do in low sec.
I have the feeling that you think i am trying to criticize Hans work, this is not the case, i really think many things in his platform pdf are great (bounty and kill right change, GCC reduction and others), I just have the feeling that this sport thing and the SS threshold might destroy all lowsec potential to become a place for long term residence. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1719
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:39:00 -
[423] - Quote
Timmy Tebow wrote:I hope I didn't miss these elsewhere in the thread, but I have three questions for you:
1) How do you feel about time dilation and the potential impact it has on CCP in regards to demotivating them in upgrading server hardware?
2) PLEX/GTC prices are too damn high. How will you leverage your influence on the CSM to bring down the price of game time paid with isk?
3) How should CCP reward veterans for their longevity in playing this game instead of punishing them via "end-game" nerfs?
Thanks for answering and good luck in your campaign!
Time dilation is a difficult issue for me to chime in on at this point in time, mainly because I've avoided the kind of fights where lag is bad enough that it would kick in. They're not my cup of tea. I can't in good conscience argue that CCP needs to be upgrading their server hardware, because I haven't seen enough evidence of this in my day-to-day game play. If the rest of the CSM7 agreed it was a major issue, I'd trust their judgement and support them in seeing it resolved.
Regarding PLEX prices, I can understand that you feel they are too high, but I also believe that EvE's player driven market should remain precisely that - player driven. We have to remember that EvE is fundamentally a $15.00 a month subscription model, not play-for-free. It is a convenience that CCP allows two players to exchange RL time for in-game time, but I'm dubious giving CCP the authority to place a value on what a player's own time means to them. It's a personal decision.
For your third question, I'd to have ask you which specific "end-game" nerfs you're referring too. Supercaps? Anomolies? Incursions? "End-game" is a highly controversial term to use in a game like EvE, where players set their own goals. If you could let me know what exactly you're talking about, I'll happily share my opinion. |
Galatica789
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
15
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:53:00 -
[424] - Quote
Tell CCP to make it if you have PVP agression you CANNOT activate self-destruction of your ship |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
1061
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Posted - 2012.02.17 01:38:00 -
[425] - Quote
Everyone here realizes that Hans is going to be on the CSM, right? Just checking. Carry on. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1719
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Posted - 2012.02.17 01:39:00 -
[426] - Quote
Mortromain wrote: I fear that allowing piracy without highsec interdiction might transform low-sec into a huge amamake. I mean, what you call drawbacks, i don't : - The isk loss is nothing, a high sec player will have chosen to dedicate it to "sport" as you say. A pirate need to kill me to make isk, i need to survive if i want to make profit at the end of the day, it would kind of unbalance the game to put people messing around without any care for profitability. - being shootable by anyone in low sec is not a drawback, it's what they want. I understand that a lot of people want to do casual and consensual PvP, but that is basically what FW offers (without the FFA part, can't you do without it?).
Besides, pvping for "sport" seems more like putting a pvp tag on you to me, like in some other games. Eve is not this kind of game, it is a game where your actions affects the way you play. Besides, there are not many things you can't do in low sec (if any), it's just harder.
Discussions like this can get tricky, so I think we're going to have to be real specific here to make sure we're on the same page.
With the current rules, low sec criminals like myself that don't break the law in highsec are still shut out of high sec. This is what actually contribues to low sec being more like Amamake, the fact that there are lots of us who are stuck here. If I could be in high sec more often, I would be. Allowing more free transit between low and high sec space for folks like me that behave themselves while in high sec actually may actually lower the resident low sec population, making it safer, not more dangerous.
The other problem with the current situation is that it took me a lot of attacks on neutrals to get to -4.8. Despite my clear willingness to engage in PvP, under current rules YOU would be considered the criminal if you attacked me on a gate. Does it makes sense to you that I can attack so many neutral "suspected Amarr sympathizers" yet you would be the one to have your SS lowered for attacking me?
Part of my vision for high sec space is more player-driven justice, where crimes leave the criminal open to retribution by other players. This is the core of the bounty system I outlined. The Jack Dant proposal is a great extension of this, because it removes protections that players like me currently enjoy despite the number of crimes I've committed in low sec.
I understand it may sound like flagging, but the difference is that I only "flag" myself for PvP by committing crimes. If I don't commit crimes, I'm not able to just "flag" myself for PvP. It's a choice I make with my actions, not by selecting an item on a menu. I hope readers here are following and understand that there's a difference between the two.
Once again to clarify: If you were living in low sec, and had a positive security status (most non-PvPers would), I would still get GCC and sentry fire for attacking you. Nothing I've discussed changes that fact. I'm advocating changes that allow law-abiding citizens free aggression upon law-breaking citizens, not the other way around.
The only way these changes increase the danger level for pilots living in low sec is if they make the decision to engage in non-consensual PvP. If you just wanted to come out here and run some deadspace plexes, it wouldn't affect your safety level at all, does that make sense? |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1719
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Posted - 2012.02.17 01:58:00 -
[427] - Quote
Seleene wrote:Everyone here realizes that Hans is going to be on the CSM, right? Just checking. Carry on.
ONLY if you guys all get your corpmates to vote for me, and your friends, and their corpmates too. Including all your other accounts!
We've only just begun folks, there's still a lot of hard work to do to spread the message further in the weeks ahead. This is no time for complacency!
Seleene I appreciate the love but no more making this sound like I've got it in the bag, alright! |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
196
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Posted - 2012.02.17 02:20:00 -
[428] - Quote
ty for mail Hans, commentary placed in BH thread. Griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems.
Stop EvE Apathy |
Mortromain
Lazy Settlers
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 09:51:00 -
[429] - Quote
After discussing with Hans, i realize i had misunderstood the fact that the shootability of people with negative SS proposed by him extends to high sec. This is indeed huge drawback to piracy, and so i'm good with the overall idea.
it was just to clear up my position on the matter.
Hans seems a great candidate to me now. |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
288
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Posted - 2012.02.17 14:45:00 -
[430] - Quote
Re: Piracy. I think the whole thing boils down to the rewrite of the standings/aggression system that CCP seem loathe to tackle due to fear of whatever problems they may cause if they miss a line of code. If they do manage to pull a revamp off we could/should be able to have proper piracy complete with pirate hunting, transferable killrights and the 'LS = underbelly of Eve' concept .. my take on it at any rate.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Seleene I appreciate the love but no more making this sound like I've got it in the bag, alright! Why not? God wills it!
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Mjolnir Gost
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
9
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Posted - 2012.02.17 15:13:00 -
[431] - Quote
Absolutely has my vote and those of as many of my friends and associates that I can muster.
We will be pulling for you.
Go Hans! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1760
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Posted - 2012.02.17 17:23:00 -
[432] - Quote
I just wanted to let you all know I'll be on EvE Radio Sat 2/18 at 00:00 EvE time.
Tune in as Seleene, Two Step, and myself chat it up with DJ Funkybacon regarding the election. Should last about an hour.
Hope you all catch the show!
http://eve-radio.com |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
111
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Posted - 2012.02.17 23:18:00 -
[433] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I just wanted to let you all know I'll be on EvE Radio Sat 2/18 at 00:00 EvE time.Tune in as Seleene, Two Step, and myself chat it up with DJ Funkybacon regarding the election. Should last about an hour. Hope you all catch the show! http://eve-radio.com
He's also going to be on the Voices from the Void podcast. \o/ Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Shalee Lianne
Imperial Outlaws
67
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Posted - 2012.02.17 23:22:00 -
[434] - Quote
I'll be listening!! http://amarrian.blogspot.com/ -á~ Roleplay blog.http://sovereigntywars.wordpress.com/ ~ Faction War blog. |
Seismic Stan
31
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Posted - 2012.02.18 02:34:00 -
[435] - Quote
Further to questions that I submitted to EVE Radio but were unanswered due to time constraints, I'm reposting them here.
My original email to EVE Radio:
Quote:Is it in the interests of EVE as a whole for the min-maxer/power-gamer lobby to be the priority focus for development plans? Should players accept that EVE is destined to be World of Fleet Fights?
Do any of the candidates value the backstory and lore of EVE? How do they feel about some of the softer (exploration/PvE) activities?
I was a little disappointed that the context of my questions was missed. By "min-maxer/powergamer" I meant those who simply play the game for the numerical victories and bragging rights without concern for any other aspect of EVE Online. I wasn't very satisfied with the "alternative fleet doctrines means you're not a powergamer" response which I feel misses the point entirely.
Essentially, should those players who seek a more immersive storyline-driven experience look elsewhere and leave EVE to be the dominion of the e-sports PvPers?
Should player-driven content be the only content? Blogger on Freebooted. Co-Creator of Tech4 podcast and website. Author of Incarna: The Text Adventure. |
Mekhana
Black Knight Legion
417
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Posted - 2012.02.18 02:57:00 -
[436] - Quote
In all these years I never voted for the CSM. Because it all felt so futile of it all and none of the people seemed to represent who I am and what I do in EVE. It felt like tuning in to a foreign election. Didn't even feel like we are playing the same game.
You have just earned my first vote. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1784
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Posted - 2012.02.18 05:00:00 -
[437] - Quote
Seismic Stan wrote: Essentially, should those players who seek a more immersive storyline-driven experience look elsewhere and leave EVE to be the dominion of the e-sports PvPers?
Should player-driven content be the only content?
Absolutely not. I think it is a tremendous waste of all the creativity that went into EvE's lore to not develop the story lines of the various empires and pirate factions in parallel to the stories the players create themselves. Yes, even the prepackaged content (Chronicles, novels, etc) delivered by CCP enriches the universe in a way that's meaningful to many players.
Even though role play may not dominate Faction Warfare, we certainly wouldn't be the same without it, and I'd love to see more ways that we can use the wars between the militias to further the story line of the four empires.
With or without a CSM7 seat, there's no way I'm going to let a "complete overhaul" of Faction Warfare arrive without begging, blackmailing, manipulating, or bribing CCP Dropbear into authoring some Live Events to coincide with the major changes. There was a specific set of events that led to the creation of the feature (Read EvE Online: Empyrean Age for the full narrative), and I can't imagine a major iteration on the feature that isn't backed up by some new developments in the corresponding lore. Live Events would be a fantastic way to get players back into the spirit of Factional Warfare and inspire imaginations once again, especially for those that have migrated away due to boredom.
I've gotten a lot of positive feedback recently for writing in my platform that we should eventually expand Factional Warfare to include groups like the Angel Cartel or the Guristas, and to move more pirate missions and story content back into lowsec where its accessible by those of us not wrapped up in the meta-game.
The bottom line is players do get attached to their race, their ships, their homelands, their culture. Players want to involve themselves more in some of the storylines that are unique the EvE universe. I think its completely possible to have sandbox gameplay where players can respond to the lore CCP initiates, and leave their own mark on the storylines, without having to be part of a massive alliance or live in null sec to do so. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2988
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Posted - 2012.02.18 08:04:00 -
[438] - Quote
Mekhana wrote:In all these years I never voted for the CSM. Because it all felt so futile of it all and none of the people seemed to represent who I am and what I do in EVE. It felt like tuning in to a foreign election. Didn't even feel like we are playing the same game.
For your consideration: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=65070
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1790
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Posted - 2012.02.18 08:33:00 -
[439] - Quote
Mekhana wrote:In all these years I never voted for the CSM. Because it all felt so futile of it all and none of the people seemed to represent who I am and what I do in EVE. It felt like tuning in to a foreign election. Didn't even feel like we are playing the same game.
You have just earned my first vote.
This has probably been one of the most inspiring moments in the campaign so far, thank you so much for sharing! That's my goal here, to help add to the balance of the council and broaden its expertise and experience.
Even more exciting than the support of a stranger is knowing that you're voting for the first time. That is AWESOME news. I wouldn't put all these hours in if it didn't think it would make a difference, and despite all the cynicism its great to hear that more people are realizing that voting now is more important than ever before.
Now that the company has been redirected, and the dev teams are working with the community once again, all the more reason to step up and get involved so that the interests of everyone who plays the game are protected.
Don't be a stranger, stick around and ask some questions if there's anything you'd like to know! |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.02.18 09:04:00 -
[440] - Quote
See? You step into a groove by sticking with your strengths and developing a platform from which you are an expert and you get the constituency base to make things happen. Well done and I'm hopeful that a term that includes you will net a positive expansion for Lowsec/FW and Crimewatch/GCC mechanics. |
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Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
745
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Posted - 2012.02.18 19:33:00 -
[441] - Quote
The most anticipated CSM7 interview is now underway. Marc Scaurus interviewing Kelduum Revaan and Hans Jagerblitzen. Cross-debating with the two participants as well.
You can catch it on the VandV podcast tomorrow. Episode 36. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10115
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Posted - 2012.02.18 19:35:00 -
[442] - Quote
I just heard some one making fun of someone else for being a pubbie. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar; Space Friend to All Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10115
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Posted - 2012.02.18 19:35:00 -
[443] - Quote
"Are you stoned?" Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar; Space Friend to All Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10115
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Posted - 2012.02.18 19:39:00 -
[444] - Quote
I am sure Episode 36 will be all civil. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar; Space Friend to All Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
398
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Posted - 2012.02.18 19:45:00 -
[445] - Quote
I am hearing voices come from the void. Is that safe? or normal? disorientating |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1799
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Posted - 2012.02.18 21:42:00 -
[446] - Quote
rodyas wrote:I am hearing voices come from the void. Is that safe? or normal?
Absolutely! It's a common side effect of the medication. Nothing to be alarmed about, its working as intended. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1799
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Posted - 2012.02.18 21:45:00 -
[447] - Quote
Lyris Nairn wrote:I just heard some one making fun of someone else for being a pubbie.
Links or it didn't happen! |
Nius Kincaid
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
0
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Posted - 2012.02.19 05:27:00 -
[448] - Quote
Gallactica wrote:You have my sword + 1
You carry the fate of us all, Jagerblitzen +1. If this is indeed the will of the Council, then Fwar will see it done. |
Rei Seiji
Production N Destruction INC. The Last Chancers.
4
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Posted - 2012.02.19 11:33:00 -
[449] - Quote
Herr Jagerblitzen! For too long CCP has enacted a harsh policy on not just hisecers, but all Eve Online players, a policy that makes a mockery of the sandbox theory, a policy that expects us to conform, without even raising our voices in protest.
I ask you, what will you do to ensure that we can all run around pantless? We are capsuleers! Living gods in this universe! Living gods with nice thighs! Won't you please do what you must to allow us to show off our smooth silky legs? |
SigmaPi
Valkyr Industries Late Night Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.02.19 21:10:00 -
[450] - Quote
Hans for president! I mean... wait, what?
I've read a lot of your reasoning behind lowsec (and fw in particular) being a testbed for new nullsec mechanics. I agree almost entirely, but I do want to hear what (if any in particular) plans you have to really give strong value to fw plexing and things of this nature. I'm sure I've read a few fairly specific ideas you've had and also plenty of others speaking for you, but I'd really like some detail about how you see it being fixed. In that vein, do you think FW should have a "sov-style" system where the capture and holding of a system actually holds a significant value to the militias? or are the ideas more cosmetic and 'meaningless' (not meant as insulting)?
It's obviously a big balancing game of making FW meaningful to those playing, but not so glorious as to invite all those blobby nullsec pubbie alliances to stick their noses where they are not needed. I don't in particular have a great idea in mind, but I'd really love to hear any more details you have in mind for the system. I've been in FW to one extent or another for the past 3 years (and was a nullsec resident for the previous 2), and the last thing I want to see is the overwhelming odds of nullsec being thrust on the fairly low-key and independent groups in lowsec.
Anyways, a hundred words to say very little... I want you to spill more details! Get with it!! |
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TFirish3
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.02.20 04:11:00 -
[451] - Quote
2 votes from me, Hans. Keep up the good work and try to get that Jack Dant Proposal pushed through! Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7
http://rollinseveride.blogspot.com/ |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
272
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Posted - 2012.02.20 06:28:00 -
[452] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Seismic Stan wrote: Essentially, should those players who seek a more immersive storyline-driven experience look elsewhere and leave EVE to be the dominion of the e-sports PvPers?
Should player-driven content be the only content?
Absolutely not. I think it is a tremendous waste of all the creativity that went into EvE's lore to not develop the story lines of the various empires and pirate factions in parallel to the stories the players create themselves. Yes, even the prepackaged content (Chronicles, novels, etc) delivered by CCP enriches the universe in a way that's meaningful to many players. .....
I think ccp has to recognize why the lore perhaps doesn't catch on much. It's not that people no longer have an interest in this genre of science fiction. IMHO it's that eve lore in particular is a bit cliche.
We have the religious nutjobs who are out to enslave a whole race (lol) for religious reasons.
We have the freedom fighters of that race
We have the capitalist pigs.
And we have the Pseudo-French.
I don't really have good answers for this because I am not a good writer either. But maybe when jovians are discovered they will be from earth and tie things back to real world things. Like real religions and real issues of capitalism versus socialism etc. This new information from the jovians could cause some splintering in the factions. New scriptures, new constitutions, new histories or whatever people value, because the current set doesn't really draw people.
I don't really know that I have this right. That idea might have problems as well. The only thing I can say is I really like science fiction and I really like eve. But I can't get into eve science fiction. I'm not the only one. For being a "Role playing" mmo there are very few role players. I don't mean to derail the thread but why does eve fiction not draw a better crowd?
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Lucius Regall
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
3
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Posted - 2012.02.20 08:49:00 -
[453] - Quote
I'll be voting for you Hans. Keep up the good work. |
Anabaric
Kadavr Black Guard Shadow Cartel
2
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Posted - 2012.02.20 11:05:00 -
[454] - Quote
Anything that brings more people into lowsec benefits me as a lowsec -10 dweller You have my votes.
Also I'd like to see GCC in lowsec shortened to 5min. Unbuff the gate guns, for the last year they've been able to instalock and pop frigates with GCC. I may not want to fight on a gate with GCC in a frig, but I at least want to be able to go system to system without getting shot up. http://kadavr.eve-ransoms.com-á Recruiting for PvP Lowsec Piracy http://imsdemons.blogspot.com |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1847
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Posted - 2012.02.20 20:55:00 -
[455] - Quote
Rei Seiji wrote:Herr Jagerblitzen! For too long CCP has enacted a harsh policy on not just hisecers, but all Eve Online players, a policy that makes a mockery of the sandbox theory, a policy that expects us to conform, without even raising our voices in protest.
I ask you, what will you do to ensure that we can all run around pantless? We are capsuleers! Living gods in this universe! Living gods with nice thighs! Won't you please do what you must to allow us to show off our smooth silky legs?
I fully support a no-clothes option for Avatars while lounging in our Captains Quarters. Since we can't have our friends over anyways, I see no reason we shouldn't be able to take advantage of the privacy!
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Cmdr Zander
Absinthe Brothers
1
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Posted - 2012.02.20 22:46:00 -
[456] - Quote
You have MY vote.
Now You will win for sure. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
441
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Posted - 2012.02.20 23:35:00 -
[457] - Quote
You have all my votes. Enjoy your gaming.
http://northern-goblin.blogspot.com |
Abyss Azizora
Yuengling Technologies
4
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Posted - 2012.02.21 03:56:00 -
[458] - Quote
We're voting for you. Would love to see you not only win, but take the chair, about time goonswarm got kicked out of it and replaced by someone that isn't a moron. |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
152
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Posted - 2012.02.21 11:19:00 -
[459] - Quote
bump for hans |
Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
76
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Posted - 2012.02.21 12:49:00 -
[460] - Quote
Voting for you hans because I know from your FW-related posts that you dont leave things unfinished and I hope you'll speak for those who oppose microtransactions as well.
Good luck. |
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
116
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Posted - 2012.02.21 16:27:00 -
[461] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:bump for hans
bump. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
None ofthe Above
75
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:11:00 -
[462] - Quote
As I suspected. No crying need for me as a protest vote with you around Hans.
You have the support and endorsement of the man who stands against all candidates, I hope that means something to people.
Good luck!
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7!
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1865
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Posted - 2012.02.22 01:54:00 -
[463] - Quote
SigmaPi wrote: In that vein, do you think FW should have a "sov-style" system where the capture and holding of a system actually holds a significant value to the militias? or are the ideas more cosmetic and 'meaningless' (not meant as insulting)?
Sigma Pi wrote:I want you to spill more details! Get with it!!
I would argue that the current "consequences" to capturing a system are already cosmetic and meaningless, and since they haven't been enough to sustain activity levels over the years the next set of FW improvements must include rewards and punishment that actually impact gameplay.
There are lots of ways both large and small in which we can reward successful occupancy, but I think the first round of fixes must be tied to the existing core system. No sense in throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Did you know that you can actually get LP for player kills? Most militia pilots don't. That's because the amount rewarded for a kill is so negligible the average pilot doesn't even realize he's earning it. This is an easy problem to fix. And with most death payouts, as long as the LP kickout is a percentage of the ship value you can prevent kill-farming for profit quite easily.
Players have also long appreciated the idea of the plexing mechanics, though not found enough reasons to engage inside them as supposed to on a gate, station, or belt. One of the most common questions a new player asks when they join FW is "how many LP do I earn for capturing a plex"? Frustratingly, the answer is none. Players intuitively assume they are being rewarded for their efforts, and then get dismayed when they find out this isn't the case. LP for plexing is one of the most commonly demanded fixes, and is a no-brainer for discussing with CCP. I understand there are legitimate concerns about farming and isk faucets, but if we can successfully move the isk-generation from PvE (level 4 missions farmed by bombers) to PvP (plex seizure by small gangs) it will be a massive step in the right direction. Central to all of these adjustments will be tweaks to the AI for whatever NPC presence is needed, so that the plexes are not farmable the same way the missions are today.
Even in the most radical scenario where missions were dropped and equivalent LP was to be found in plexes, the amount of increased activity in the plexes would be plenty sufficient to create locations where players could almost be guaranteed a fight. I personally don't care how many alts come to farm LP if they're doing it by plexing in gangs of destroyers, cruisers, and battlecruisers. That would be much more fun to engage than chasing individual stealth bombers in distant mission locations.
Giving cookies is one way to encourage fights, but we can also include some punishments for losing system occupancy as well. While I'm hesitant to endorse 0.0-style full station lockouts, I think it just makes sense that a Tribal Liberation Force pilot hanging on the undock of a 24th Imperial Crusade station is going to get shot. We are at war, after all. Systems will change hands faster than architects can build new stations, so we might have a designation that says "TLF-occupied 24th IC Logistics Support" indicating the station is currently under control of enemy troops, and will fire upon its previous owners. Station fire cuts down on boring docking games, and provides a sense of "home turf" that is sorely missing fromt he battlefield right now.
The other major missing component from the Faction Warfare feature is reliable data regarding the state of the battlefield. We desperately need an updated UI window for the militia tab, containing the progress indicator for a system takeover attempt, and perhaps such as information as the location of all open plexes or possibly whether they are currently under attack. Players need to be able to know how to be useful, and where to head to get some action. It should be fairly difficult to "ninjaflip" a system without the enemy having a clue as to what you're up to.
Note that these are pretty simple changes and have nothing to do with null sec soverignty, and would still go light years towards promoting frequent of fights. They also don't involve throwing more isk at the players, but simply shifting its source from PvE to PvP where it belongs. I think CCP should start with these basics, and see what the impact is before gutting plexes and implementing something different that could somehow be used in 0.0 space. In the meantime, they should be soaking up the good ideas being tossed around by the players in threads like this one that are currently active with discussion. |
SigmaPi
Valkyr Industries Late Night Alliance
6
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Posted - 2012.02.22 02:36:00 -
[464] - Quote
Very nice, Mr. Hans! +1 (or more )
I agree with you on every single point, however: it may be totally academic, but I would like to hear your views (for or against) system modification in relation to FW (like IHUBlite?). One of the more 'frustrating' things of the whole area is the perceived effort for perceived gain. Don't get me wrong, I love PVP and consider that its own reward, but if a faction wants to put in the effort to 'upgrade' a system from simply a staging area to a stronghold, should they have the tools to allow for this? I'm sure this is it's own can of worms and may not even be pertinent for this thread (and if not, feel free to ignore), but my creativity and imagination have taken the best of me.
I think FW and EVE have so much to offer the more casual gamer, but I think they can also benefit from commitment as well! If you have any ideas on a more fanciful future, I'd love to hear them!
<3 Hans! |
Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1
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Posted - 2012.02.22 03:48:00 -
[465] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:SigmaPi wrote: In that vein, do you think FW should have a "sov-style" system where the capture and holding of a system actually holds a significant value to the militias? or are the ideas more cosmetic and 'meaningless' (not meant as insulting)?
Sigma Pi wrote:I want you to spill more details! Get with it!! WORDS CUT FOR SPACE Players have also long appreciated the idea of the plexing mechanics, though not found enough reasons to engage inside them as supposed to on a gate, station, or belt. One of the most common questions a new player asks when they join FW is "how many LP do I earn for capturing a plex"? Frustratingly, the answer is none. Players intuitively assume they are being rewarded for their efforts, and then get dismayed when they find out this isn't the case. LP for plexing is one of the most commonly demanded fixes, and is a no-brainer for discussing with CCP. I understand there are legitimate concerns about farming and isk faucets, but if we can successfully move the isk-generation from PvE (level 4 missions farmed by bombers) to PvP (plex seizure by small gangs) it will be a massive step in the right direction. Central to all of these adjustments will be tweaks to the AI for whatever NPC presence is needed, so that the plexes are not farmable the same way the missions are today. Even in the most radical scenario where missions were dropped and equivalent LP was to be found in plexes, the amount of increased activity in the plexes would be plenty sufficient to create locations where players could almost be guaranteed a fight. I personally don't care how many alts come to farm LP if they're doing it by plexing in gangs of destroyers, cruisers, and battlecruisers. That would be much more fun to engage than chasing individual stealth bombers in distant mission locations. Giving cookies is one way to encourage fights, but we can also include some punishments for losing system occupancy as well. While I'm hesitant to endorse 0.0-style full station lockouts, I think it just makes sense that a Tribal Liberation Force pilot hanging on the undock of a 24th Imperial Crusade station is going to get shot. We are at war, after all. Systems will change hands faster than architects can build new stations, so we might have a designation that says "TLF-occupied 24th IC Logistics Support" indicating the station is currently under control of enemy troops, and will fire upon its previous owners. Station fire cuts down on boring docking games, and provides a sense of "home turf" that is sorely missing fromt he battlefield right now. The other major missing component from the Faction Warfare feature is reliable data regarding the state of the battlefield. We desperately need an updated UI window for the militia tab, containing the progress indicator for a system takeover attempt, and perhaps such as information as the location of all open plexes or possibly whether they are currently under attack. Players need to be able to know how to be useful, and where to head to get some action. It should be fairly difficult to "ninjaflip" a system without the enemy having a clue as to what you're up to. Note that these are pretty simple changes and have nothing to do with null sec soverignty, and would still go light years towards promoting frequent of fights. They also don't involve throwing more isk at the players, but simply shifting its source from PvE to PvP where it belongs. I think CCP should start with these basics, and see what the impact is before gutting plexes and implementing something different that could somehow be used in 0.0 space. In the meantime, they should be soaking up the good ideas being tossed around by the players in threads like this one that are currently active with discussion.
I would definitely make an effort to log in more often if these changes where made.
You have one of my 3 votes for sure and positions like this make it more likely I will give you all my votes.
One thing I just thought of when reading this was what if CCP didn't make FW more like Sov is today but in the rewrite of SOV made the final take over of a system more like it is in FW.
My very basic and first thought on this is thus: I like the idea of being able to get SOV for actually living in the system, or at least maintaining sov that way. But what if when sov got contested to a certain point instead of doing massive structure grinds on things what if a certain set of FW like plexs where spawned so that mixed fleets would have to be deployed to a system to take over. And say the outcome of the whole day's worth of activity would then determine who had SOV come downtime.
And if this went where with a system of maintaining sov based on activity if you later become inactive then the NPC pirates would then take it back. Since players are basically taking over what they consider there space anyway.
Good luck in the election |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
117
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Posted - 2012.02.22 05:28:00 -
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Kethry Avenger wrote:Cool Stuff
This is a pretty cool idea. I don't presume to dictate what nullsec'ers want or need, but I think having some kind of smaller-fleet objectives that influence the greater sov-war mechanics can only be a good thing that creates more diversified and frequent PvP. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.02.22 07:08:00 -
[467] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Kethry Avenger wrote:Cool Stuff This is a pretty cool idea. I don't presume to dictate what nullsec'ers want or need, but I think having some kind of smaller-fleet objectives that influence the greater sov-war mechanics can only be a good thing that creates more diversified and frequent PvP. The point of taking 0.0 space is access to valuable resources that you can choose to exploit, not forcing people to meet ratting quotas to maintain infrastructure. Enforced PvE, which is what Kethry seem to suggest, is a poor way of determining ownership. Admittedly I guess that's not a million miles away from how it works in FW but as has already been discussed in this thread, the incentives for doing so are pretty much limited to bragging rights so its not as though anyone loses out all that badly.
I mean, the idea of invading a hostile system with hulks and out-mining the defenders to take their sov is amusingly surreal, but I don't think it would actually make for entertaining gameplay beyond the novelty value of doing it the first couple of times. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
117
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Posted - 2012.02.22 09:22:00 -
[468] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Kethry Avenger wrote:Cool Stuff This is a pretty cool idea. I don't presume to dictate what nullsec'ers want or need, but I think having some kind of smaller-fleet objectives that influence the greater sov-war mechanics can only be a good thing that creates more diversified and frequent PvP. The point of taking 0.0 space is access to valuable resources that you can choose to exploit, not forcing people to meet ratting quotas to maintain infrastructure. Enforced PvE, which is what Kethry seem to suggest, is a poor way of determining ownership. Admittedly I guess that's not a million miles away from how it works in FW but as has already been discussed in this thread, the incentives for doing so are pretty much limited to bragging rights so its not as though anyone loses out all that badly. I mean, the idea of invading a hostile system with hulks and out-mining the defenders to take their sov is amusingly surreal, but I don't think it would actually make for entertaining gameplay beyond the novelty value of doing it the first couple of times.
I was under the impression that these "small-fleet objectives" actually entailed, you know, PVP. Where the **** did you get "mining for victory" out of this? I was thinking along the lines of having objectives with hull-size restrictions or some kind of fleet-size restriction (although that would be a ***** to theory craft and I admittedly don't have any bright ideas about how such a mechanic might work). The Mittani himself always talks about the New Player Experience and how Nullsec shouldn't be some hostile land for new players who want to experience it. Having objectives that matter in sov-warfare (the extent to which they matter is a point of debate that I don't know; only Nullsec'ers could answer that) that can be accomplished by new pilots or small-gangs should be a good thing, right? Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Anja Talis
Mimidae Risk Solutions
20
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Posted - 2012.02.22 13:14:00 -
[469] - Quote
Nice pitch. I've been impressed with your words on the forums so far. You really actually think before you answer this is more than can be said for a lot of people!
Question for you:
How do you think changes to the FW mechanics should affect non aligned pilots/corps who live in the faction warfare zones?
(asking as a pilot who is unaligned and lives in a FW zone!) |
Sui'Djin
Black Rise Guerilla Forces
0
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Posted - 2012.02.22 14:24:00 -
[470] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
cool stuff .
You have an awesome vision of FW. Way to go.
Hans, you get both my votes. Keep up your good work. |
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Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:31:00 -
[471] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Kethry Avenger wrote:Cool Stuff This is a pretty cool idea. I don't presume to dictate what nullsec'ers want or need, but I think having some kind of smaller-fleet objectives that influence the greater sov-war mechanics can only be a good thing that creates more diversified and frequent PvP. The point of taking 0.0 space is access to valuable resources that you can choose to exploit, not forcing people to meet ratting quotas to maintain infrastructure. Enforced PvE, which is what Kethry seem to suggest, is a poor way of determining ownership. Admittedly I guess that's not a million miles away from how it works in FW but as has already been discussed in this thread, the incentives for doing so are pretty much limited to bragging rights so its not as though anyone loses out all that badly. I mean, the idea of invading a hostile system with hulks and out-mining the defenders to take their sov is amusingly surreal, but I don't think it would actually make for entertaining gameplay beyond the novelty value of doing it the first couple of times. I'm really glad that Goonswarm has been so respectful during Hans entire campaign however I really don't know where you pulled that out of. : / |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
136
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:29:00 -
[472] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote: I mean, the idea of invading a hostile system with hulks and out-mining the defenders to take their sov is amusingly surreal, but I don't think it would actually make for entertaining gameplay beyond the novelty value of doing it the first couple of times.
Not saying this is what you would want for 0.0. You guys have your own sov mechanics to work out. However, there are two aspects to this: 1. Expending effort to "live" in a system. 2. Expending effort to deny others to "live" in a system.
"Living" in a system can be anything from having moon gold, mining, ratting, running anomolies, putting up POSes, whatever you think is a good indicator activity.
In the end I think you'd find that if people really want to take over a system, they'll secure it first with pvp (kill all the farmers, kill all their protection) and then they'll send in the carebears to farm it (which they will do anyways to make isk). You probably kill all the hostile farmers in your sov space anyways, so it likely won't change the map too much.
This sort of sov system, however, may not lead to massive supercapital fights that everybody in 0.0 apparently loves. And therefore it may not be appropriate. However, it makes sense to me to be a pefectly acceptable sov mechanic for low sec and perhaps Non-sov 0.0 because corporations do this all the time anyways. L5 systems are already permacamped by groups of corporations who feed off them. CCP could change the figure of merit based on Sov level of system, or perhaps whether a low sec system is inside or outside FW zone, or change it based on different regions.
Anyways, this is a side track and I apologize for interupting Han's campaign.
Go Hans! |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:34:00 -
[473] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:I was under the impression that these "small-fleet objectives" actually entailed, you know, PVP. Where the **** did you get "mining for victory" out of this?
.....
But, please, feel free to put words in my mouth that make me sound like an asinine and ignorant ******, who via guilt by association makes Hans Jagerblitzen potentially support such a clearly irrational proposal and therefore a worse candidate for the CSM7. Work on your forum-fu, bro. /tinfoilhat
Joyitii wrote: I'm really glad that Goonswarm has been so respectful during Hans entire campaign however I really don't know where you pulled that out of. : /
From here:
Kethry Avenger wrote:I like the idea of being able to get SOV for actually living in the system, or at least maintaining sov that way. But what if when sov got contested to a certain point instead of doing massive structure grinds on things what if a certain set of FW like plexs where spawned so that mixed fleets would have to be deployed to a system to take over. And say the outcome of the whole day's worth of activity would then determine who had SOV come downtime.
'Sov for actively living in the system' has been advocated frequently before and it always falls down on the idea that taking sov becomes a matter of out-PvEing the hostile forces rather than killing them. If we're going to have plexing races where the force that shoots the most NPC-spawned sov towers gets system control, why not go the whole way and make sovereignty mining too?
But hey, lets all be chill and not derail Hans' (mostly positive) thread too much. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
289
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:03:00 -
[474] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:'Sov for actively living in the system' has been advocated frequently before and it always falls down on the idea that taking sov becomes a matter of out-PvEing the hostile forces rather than killing them. If we're going to have plexing races where the force that shoots the most NPC-spawned sov towers gets system control, why not go the whole way and make sovereignty mining too?
But hey, lets all be chill and not derail Hans' (mostly positive) thread too much.
I'm not really sure what drives null sec wars but it seems lately there is very little to drive wars. It seems everyone in sov null sec feels (I suspect correctly) that it is more advantageous to be at peace than at war.
Perhaps they need to implement something that is sort of the opposite of the above. The longer you live off the resources of a system the less you get. You more or less milk the system dry and have to move on. So you are better off constantly fighting over new and less used systems.
It could be a matter of 1)how much different areas are farmed and 2)who is farming it.
1) So the more you carebear your system the less it pays until you go conquer new systems.
2) A new conquering alliance would get better profit off the same area than the former alliance was. The longer you are in the same system the less you get. You need to keep moving to new areas to exploit like Genghis Kahn did.
Yes this might mean larger alliances would break into smaller alliances and rotate them to get these bonuses. But isn't that somewhat good in general? And even so CCP could do allot to mitigate that or make that more difficult. For example if new arriving alliance had set the former alliance blue in the last 5 months there would be no increase from the rotation. I know this may just be annoying but wouldn't it lead to some mistaken kills and possibly unrest between friendly alliances that live close by? WouldnGÇÖt this hurt the traditional NBSI?
Or perhaps they would require some sort of destruction to occur in the systems before the system is boosted for the new conquerors. Or they could make it a combination of different factors that all tend to suggest the system was actually fought over and therefore should pay out much more.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Shootin' Star
The Fancy Hats Corporation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:27:00 -
[475] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:'Sov for actively living in the system' has been advocated frequently before and it always falls down on the idea that taking sov becomes a matter of out-PvEing the hostile forces rather than killing them. If we're going to have plexing races where the force that shoots the most NPC-spawned sov towers gets system control, why not go the whole way and make sovereignty mining too? Actually, if one had to guess, I'd say the idea was much more like the original FW plexing idea used to be (segueing nicely to Hans' general theme).
Understand, I am not firmly advocating this - but a little back history, shortly after FW was originally released, the absolute best (and IMO most fun) way to get fights was completely tied up with those plexes. FW fleets from either side would roam around hunting for active ones with potential targets in 'em, go in, and the two sides would have at it. Many times, pirates of various stripes would come in on those as well. Yeah, okay, every so often it would just be hitting the plexes yourself to do your part for your faction, because no one else was around to play ... but often as not, they were. And coming generally as small ship (T1 cruiser/T2 frigate) efforts, they were fun as hell.
Obviously, it wasn't a perfect system (hence why I'm not advocating), because the whole FW paradigm moved away from that to farming the missions and mass-fleet engagements (have no idea if it's still there; it's been years). But the point is, there was a time, and it was fun, and despite the PVE element it was tied up intimately with PVE. Could it be made to happen again? And possibly sov-related in null? v0v
I think the bottom line idea as a PVPer is, we need to look at such things as an opportunity instead of just PVE and therefore another liability. |
Edna Ironsides
Almost Epic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.22 21:15:00 -
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For the glory of the Republic, the Empire, the State and the Federation:
You have my vote Hans! |
D'Kelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.02.22 22:14:00 -
[477] - Quote
Qapla' Hans or Sucess Hans to those who dont appreciate Kilingonese.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=832884&
If you like the idea put forward by Hans Jagerblitzen then you may also appreciate the comments I placed at the forum link above.
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rightuos
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.23 00:24:00 -
[478] - Quote
Hans has my vote.
Any chance we could annex some 0.0 as a test bed for future faction war stuffs and thingz. |
FlyingSpoonyBadger
The Imperial Fedaykin
4
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Posted - 2012.02.23 03:16:00 -
[479] - Quote
Anything is better than the alternative. Good luck |
Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1
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Posted - 2012.02.23 04:45:00 -
[480] - Quote
HELIC0N ONE wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:I was under the impression that these "small-fleet objectives" actually entailed, you know, PVP. Where the **** did you get "mining for victory" out of this?
.....
But, please, feel free to put words in my mouth that make me sound like an asinine and ignorant ******, who via guilt by association makes Hans Jagerblitzen potentially support such a clearly irrational proposal and therefore a worse candidate for the CSM7. Work on your forum-fu, bro. /tinfoilhat Joyitii wrote: I'm really glad that Goonswarm has been so respectful during Hans entire campaign however I really don't know where you pulled that out of. : /
From here: Kethry Avenger wrote:I like the idea of being able to get SOV for actually living in the system, or at least maintaining sov that way. But what if when sov got contested to a certain point instead of doing massive structure grinds on things what if a certain set of FW like plexs where spawned so that mixed fleets would have to be deployed to a system to take over. And say the outcome of the whole day's worth of activity would then determine who had SOV come downtime. 'Sov for actively living in the system' has been advocated frequently before and it always falls down on the idea that taking sov becomes a matter of out-PvEing the hostile forces rather than killing them. If we're going to have plexing races where the force that shoots the most NPC-spawned sov towers gets system control, why not go the whole way and make sovereignty mining too? But hey, lets all be chill and not derail Hans' (mostly positive) thread too much.
I started a topic in Features and Ideas if you want to keep discussing it. Here is a link.
Good luck Hans! |
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Temba Ronin
132
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Posted - 2012.02.23 09:40:00 -
[481] - Quote
Good Luck to a player who actually wants to improve the game for the Majority of the players! |
Lord Meriak
Amarrian Retribution
5
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Posted - 2012.02.23 14:51:00 -
[482] - Quote
Good luck, |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
153
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:40:00 -
[483] - Quote
The main thing I am taking away from all of this is that Hans is prepared to consult people for ideas before he puts them on the table. Do I agree with all of his ideas? Not 100%. But I know he listens and takes on people's points of view. I have had a discussion with him around Bounty Hunting and kill rights etc... and how I would like them to work and I know he has taken that on board to improve and colour what he can table on the issue. As long as this continues, there will be a bright futures for New Eden as CCP will be provided meaningful insight from the great masses.
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Vote Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7 |
Internet Lawyer
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:40:00 -
[484] - Quote
Hello person with a name that sounds like drunken Germans going on a rampage through France. Welcome to politics. You've had some time now to look the meat over - who do you want to serve beside on CSM 7? EVE Online Public Defender |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
120
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:07:00 -
[485] - Quote
Internet Lawyer wrote:Hello person with a name that sounds like drunken Germans going on a rampage through France.
Quote of the Thread right there. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Markius TheShed
Murientor Tribe
16
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Posted - 2012.02.24 11:15:00 -
[486] - Quote
FW is being promised some lovin in the Inferno Expansion, So let's get ourself a voice in the development VOTE HANS |
B4MBU
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:10:00 -
[487] - Quote
Just wanted to add my support for Hans. I have been an acquaintance of his for about two years and in that time I can tell you he is both opinionated and sincere. He'd make a great CSM because he's very diplomatic, he works well with others and he's serious about doing a good job. I will be voting for Hans and I hope you consider him for your vote too. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1921
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Posted - 2012.02.24 16:08:00 -
[488] - Quote
I wanted to let you all know I've updated by blog, joining in the banter about the New Player Experience. I shared a few thoughts about some opportunities INFERNO could bring this summer for filling the ranks with new soldiers and subscribers. We'll need extra troops to support the war effort!
I also know there's few recent questions I need to follow up on today, I'll get to them as soon as I'm off work. I appreciate your patience, and thanks again to all the newcomers stopping by the thread to voice your support! |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
228
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Posted - 2012.02.25 00:16:00 -
[489] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I wanted to let you all know I've updated by blog, joining in the banter about the New Player Experience. I shared a few thoughts about some opportunities INFERNO could bring this summer for filling the ranks with new soldiers and subscribers. We'll need extra troops to support the war effort! I also know there's few recent questions I need to follow up on today, I'll get to them as soon as I'm off work. I appreciate your patience, and thanks again to all the newcomers stopping by the thread to voice your support!
Good blog, good blog, would read again
But seriously, now, good on ya, mate!
I have said this before (posting on main, but main got temp-banned for using verbal-chainsaws too enthusiastically against Mittani-fluffers), but I think, and have always thought, that one absolutely critical aspect of the NPE that is totally lacking is....aaahhh, let's call it "breeding situational awareness:"
Some direct examples:
Why is there nothing--at all--in the NPE about d-scanning, and using local?
Why is there nothing in the NPE about aggression-mechanics (more beginners get urp-sploded because of this in hisec than anything else, I think.), how to avoid being on the wrong end of same, and how to use same to your advantage against nominally vastly superior opponents (IE, gate-games)?
IIRC, the basic tutorial has a quick blurb about the dangers of losing your ore if jet-can mining, but explains nothing about "can-tipping," and how it used/how to avoid it.
Cloak/MWD trick--until CCP explicitly declares this a cheat--and there is absolutely no reason to, IMHO--then this is something beginners need to know, learn to use, and be shown why they should.
Podding--you cover this in your blog, but one of the "Advanced Military" tutorial-arc missions should involve you losing your pod, and have other missions that teach you how to save your pod, whilst also teaching about bubbles--IE, that last underscoring the prime rule of EVE, "Don't fly it if you can't afford to replace it," and that that definitely applies to implants, as well as ships/mods/cargo.
Probing--The exploration tutorial arc does a decent job of teaching how to probe for exploration sites--although it could be more explicit about how to position probes vis-a-vis why one must use 4 probes minimum--but has, again, nothing at all about combat-probing, how to do it, and how to use the d-scanner to check if you're being probed. There should be several missions in that arc that require you to probe out a ship (either NPC or just an empty noobship floating in space far from anywhere), and culminating in you probing out, tackling, and destroying that ship, whilst all the while explaining that "this could be you!" but also, showing all the while how to "not be that guy."
I could go on, but you get my drift, I think.
Any thoughts on this?
E: I make a lot of probing, because I think it's the best way for a new player to,
A) Make good money with a bit of luck B) Learning to combat-probe and scout in a cloaky early will make a new player highly employable by almost any player-corporation C) Learning CovOps ships will also unlock Stealth Bombers, which is a great way for that same newbie to be even more employable
I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation
10
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Posted - 2012.02.25 14:45:00 -
[490] - Quote
o/ Hans I've read your latest blog post and have a scenario/question(s). I will likely expand on this on my blog later. If I do I'll shoot you a Tweet.
Leaving out null sec: Given the current "drab" state of warfare in New Eden including Faction Warfare ,since you have the backing of all the militia's leadership, can you currently speak to or get a consensus from the other leaders if you all in FW would be willing to:
Allow FW to be used as a starting ground for new pilots coming in to the game who want to go the route of PvP and warfare? Where new pilots can be steered out of NPC corps, a major complaint by many veterans. Where new pilots can begin to assimilate in to corps. run by players and begin a learning phase of fittings, techniques, etc... In essence using FW as a beefed up Eve Uni?
Not to delve in to rumors, opinions, and politics of the Ivy League but if some of what is being said is true then perhaps it is time to steer new players in to more "warfare oriented" areas. While Agony is very excellent it also requires a lot of what brand new players just do not have or can not afford.
There seems to be a hole to be filled and/or lack of a "boot camp" to train war soldiers in the game where new players are not being scammed by a bunch of Mountain Dew saturated dweeb trolls. |
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
29
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Posted - 2012.02.25 16:45:00 -
[491] - Quote
That is the purpose and function of FW as of now .. a PvP primer. Over time it has been eroded some by SPAIZ! and the resulting paranoia, but it remains the best (non-private) place to come for all those things you mention.
Would be pretty sweet if it was incorporated into something like the NPE, complete with "instructors" while the newcomer completed a boot camp type thing in FW. The extent of official support currently is limited to a join button at the end of the combat tutorial I think, so lots of room for improvement.
Question that has arisen of late is whether FW should exist as an "end-game" , independent of null and associated mechanics .. we in the militias were not too thrilled when the minutes suggested that FW be co-opted and used as a null nursery |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
120
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Posted - 2012.02.25 17:43:00 -
[492] - Quote
Harrigan VonStudly wrote:o/ Hans I've read your latest blog post and have a scenario/question(s). I will likely expand on this on my blog later. If I do I'll shoot you a Tweet.
Leaving out null sec: Given the current "drab" state of warfare in New Eden including Faction Warfare ,since you have the backing of all the militia's leadership, can you currently speak to or get a consensus from the other leaders if you all in FW would be willing to:
Allow FW to be used as a starting ground for new pilots coming in to the game who want to go the route of PvP and warfare? Where new pilots can be steered out of NPC corps, a major complaint by many veterans. Where new pilots can begin to assimilate in to corps. run by players and begin a learning phase of fittings, techniques, etc... In essence using FW as a beefed up Eve Uni?
Not to delve in to rumors, opinions, and politics of the Ivy League but if some of what is being said is true then perhaps it is time to steer new players in to more "warfare oriented" areas. While Agony is very excellent it also requires a lot of what brand new players just do not have or can not afford.
There seems to be a hole to be filled and/or lack of a "boot camp" to train war soldiers in the game where new players are not being scammed by a bunch of Mountain Dew saturated dweeb trolls.
Unfortunately, the only way that this could have a shot at working is for CCP to take out the NPC FW corps. If players HAVE to join FW through an existing player corp, it would help alleviate a lot of the SPY Paranoia that currently takes place.
And speaking of the SPY Paranoia, it isn't as if people ACTIVELY ignore new FW pilots or ignore the general militia chat, it's just they have their own corpmates/friends to fly with and their own secure intel channels to utilize. A lot of the work of changing FW into a more newb-friendly environment would have to come from the FW pilots themselves, which there isn't a lot CCP can do about changing the actual habits of current players. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation
10
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Posted - 2012.02.25 18:28:00 -
[493] - Quote
@ Veshta I completely understand and would not want to be a "test bed" or "nursery" for null either. Those who partake of sov null constantly state they are the LEET pros. CCP should allow them to test and develop a sov system for themselves.
@ Vordak I can't help but think removing NPC corps from FW could only be a good thing. I have never partaken of FW but have been around long enough to hear "spying' is a huge problem in FW. I understand it has its place in warfare but it does get to be old after awhile.
FW is has always been unenticing to me and I've been in game 3 1/2 years. I'd love to see all you guys and gals in all the factions pull together and with Hans at the CSM level put forth with CCP a brand new system if need be and make something that works all the way around.
Thanks for the replies. And GO HANS! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1924
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Posted - 2012.02.25 19:08:00 -
[494] - Quote
SigmaPi wrote:Very nice, Mr. Hans! +1 (or more ) I agree with you on every single point, however: it may be totally academic, but I would like to hear your views (for or against) system modification in relation to FW (like IHUBlite?). One of the more 'frustrating' things of the whole area is the perceived effort for perceived gain. Don't get me wrong, I love PVP and consider that its own reward, but if a faction wants to put in the effort to 'upgrade' a system from simply a staging area to a stronghold, should they have the tools to allow for this? I'm sure this is it's own can of worms and may not even be pertinent for this thread (and if not, feel free to ignore), but my creativity and imagination have taken the best of me. I think FW and EVE have so much to offer the more casual gamer, but I think they can also benefit from commitment as well! If you have any ideas on a more fanciful future, I'd love to hear them! <3 Hans!
Academic questions are great! My concern with changes in this direction lies in the ways they can blur the line between 0.0 and low sec in terms of game play diversity. "Lite" infrastructure hubs, or the faction-wide leadership and resource management (militia tax) proposed in the recent summit minutes, are so similar to experiences players can already enjoy in 0.0 space I would rather see CCP put effort into fixing those systems first, and allow Faction Warfare to have its own unique identity.
I think one of the strong appeals to a Factional Warfare system is the drop-in drop-out nature of the conflict, the potential for movement of sovereignty at a pace faster than players will find in 0.0 space, and mechanics that revolve around ship-to-ship combat instead of installment of more structures to shoot. I think we have plenty of structure shoots already between POS's and POCO's, I know for a fact the FW community does not enjoy the prospect of more buildings being involved in whatever changes are to come.
System-wide modifications could certainly deepen Faction Warfare, but they have two major risks. The first is as I've said, culturally I don't think we want to move in a direction where a small corp is being hurt game-play wise by a structure or consequence that it takes a faction-wide unified effort to undo. We don't want to be forced into this scale of meta-game near as much as we want a steady stream of diverse PvP opportunities.
The second risk pertains to balance. Some players have mentioned Incursion-style system effects, CCP could certainly recycle some code and link it to plexing and implement this rather easily I would imagine. This was an idea I personally pushed for heavily when I first started working with the community, . However, the more I've spoken to players I realized that most are concerned that if life was too difficult for the "losing" party, pilots would simply jump ship to stay wherever the reward was the greatest. I've had to shelve that personal vision and respect the fact that especially in the other front between the Caldari and the Gallente, there already exists enough imbalance that if the winning side could gain even greater advantage it would break almost immediately.
We all want more value and meaning added to plexing and system occupancy, but the best mechanics are going to be ones that do not force militia-wide cooperation in the way one relies on an alliance to hold territory in 0.0 space. I think adding rewards and penalties at the individual pilot level will fit far better with militia culture, and CCP will serve themselves if they shape the coming changes such that occupancy is still won by ship-to ship fighting instead of structural installations.
0.0 space is where you can build a fighting force, harden and temper it with time only to watch it shatter. Faction Warfare should be the opposite - resilient and responsive enough that total "victory" by one militia doesn't inherently discourage PvP itself by providing imbalanced advantages. Any system-wide effects considered by the developers must keep these principles in mind if they are to be well-received by the community. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1924
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Posted - 2012.02.25 19:43:00 -
[495] - Quote
Anja Talis wrote:Nice pitch. I've been impressed with your words on the forums so far. You really actually think before you answer, which is more than can be said for a lot of people!
Question for you:
How do you think changes to the FW mechanics should affect non aligned pilots/corps who live in the faction warfare zones?
(asking as a pilot who is unaligned and lives in a FW zone!)
Ideally they should benefit the area. Historically the low sec PvP crowd was split between pirates who PvP for profit and attack anything they can find, and Faction Wafare pilots who only fought their sworn enemy.
During "the golden age" of Faction Warfare, pirates were even the number one threat. The Amarr and Minmatar would often form a temporary pact to fight off a better-equipped pirate force, than resume fighting each other once the threat was dealt with. This makes for fun balance of cultures and interests, and diversifies regions in terms of the safety they offer to PvE enthusiasts and industrialists risking low sec danger for bigger payouts.
In the strongest faction warfare zones piracy might be minimal, making areas safer for casual players to drop in and do some exploration or mining. In areas further away from the front lines piracy may thrive. This kind of diversity is good for everyone and I'd love to see the anti-pirate role restored once again.
The problem is that Faction Warfare participation has dropped enough that war targets are fewer and farther between, and more and more corps become indiscriminate in who they'll fight with to entertain themselves. This is exactly why my own security status is what it is right now. During the days when we had plenty of war targets to shoot, most of us were well content to leave neutrals alone to enjoy themselves.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1924
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Posted - 2012.02.25 20:09:00 -
[496] - Quote
Internet Lawyer wrote:Hello person with a name that sounds like drunken Germans going on a rampage through France. Welcome to politics. You've had some time now to look the meat over - who do you want to serve beside on CSM 7?
If you're asking who I think players should vote for, the answer is simple. Hans Jagerblitzen! This is a grassroots campaign effort, even the united militias that are supporting me are doing so because they believe in my capability as a representative and leader, not because I hold any of the "whipping power" that a null bloc candidate wields.
I hope everyone reading this gives me a vote with each of their accounts and asks their friends and corpmates to do the same, because I believe I continue to stand the best chance of getting elected to a travelling seat amongst the various candidates claiming to represent empire space. Null bloc voting power should never be underestimated, and we can't afford to spread votes around and weaken our chance at obtaining diverse representation at every one of the summits.
Many candidates primarily focus on one or two core issues, bank on an alliance to win them a seat, or even worse put themselves forward without much to say when questioned. While I am not ashamed to ask for all your votes, if I win I will still have 13 others to work with in a cooperative fashion. I can only hope I will be serving alongside individuals like myself that have demonstrated a history of working with the player community and advocating on their behalf. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
121
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Posted - 2012.02.26 03:00:00 -
[497] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Internet Lawyer wrote:Hello person with a name that sounds like drunken Germans going on a rampage through France. Welcome to politics. You've had some time now to look the meat over - who do you want to serve beside on CSM 7? If you're asking who I think players should vote for, the answer is simple. Hans Jagerblitzen! This is a grassroots campaign effort, even the united militias that are supporting me are doing so because they believe in my capability as a representative and leader, not because I hold any of the "whipping power" that a null bloc candidate wields. I hope everyone reading this gives me a vote with each of their accounts and asks their friends and corpmates to do the same, because I believe I continue to stand the best chance of getting elected to a travelling seat amongst the various candidates claiming to represent empire space. Null bloc voting power should never be underestimated, and we can't afford to spread votes around and weaken our chance at obtaining diverse representation at every one of the summits. Many candidates primarily focus on one or two core issues, bank on an alliance to win them a seat, or even worse put themselves forward without much to say when questioned. While I am not ashamed to ask for all your votes, if I win I will still have 13 others to work with in a cooperative fashion. I can only hope I will be serving alongside individuals like myself that have demonstrated a history of working with the player community and advocating on their behalf.
Confirming that I will be resubscribing my currently unsubscribed accounts in order to vote for Hans Jagerblitzen. <3
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
121
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Posted - 2012.02.27 00:12:00 -
[498] - Quote
this is not a bump. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.02.27 03:33:00 -
[499] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:this is not a bump. Really now? |
Corlan Dashiva
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.27 03:33:00 -
[500] - Quote
After speaking to Hans for a while in the CSM channel, I feel like he's a pretty grounded person who deserves a shot to change what he loves, low sec.
Obviously, you will not be getting my vote, but you have my best wishes and hopes that you will make it to the CSM. |
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
121
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Posted - 2012.02.27 09:35:00 -
[501] - Quote
Corlan Dashiva wrote:After speaking to Hans for a while in the CSM channel, I feel like he's a pretty grounded person who deserves a shot to change what he loves, low sec.
Obviously, you will not be getting my vote, but you have my best wishes and hopes that you will make it to the CSM.
BTW, love the WoT reference mate. =D Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1945
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Posted - 2012.02.27 18:36:00 -
[502] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Why is there nothing--at all--in the NPE about d-scanning, and using local?
Why is there nothing in the NPE about aggression-mechanics (more beginners get urp-sploded because of this in hisec than anything else, I think.), how to avoid being on the wrong end of same, and how to use same to your advantage against nominally vastly superior opponents (IE, gate-games)?
IIRC, the basic tutorial has a quick blurb about the dangers of losing your ore if jet-can mining, but explains nothing about "can-tipping," and how it used/how to avoid it.
Probing--The exploration tutorial arc does a decent job of teaching how to probe for exploration sites--although it could be more explicit about how to position probes vis-a-vis why one must use 4 probes minimum--but has, again, nothing at all about combat-probing, how to do it, and how to use the d-scanner to check if you're being probed. There should be several missions in that arc that require you to probe out a ship (either NPC or just an empty noobship floating in space far from anywhere), and culminating in you probing out, tackling, and destroying that ship, whilst all the while explaining that "this could be you!" but also, showing all the while how to "not be that guy."
I absolutely agree that all of these should be included as part of the New Player Experience.
As a booster manufacturer, I have definitely spent my fair share of hours working with probes, and made a lot of income off exploration. I mine gas, loot blueprints and reactions, and generally have a lot of fun with exploration despite the rewards not being as enticing as they could be.
I would LOVE to see this taught to newer players so they have more interesting content available to them early in their careers. The more diversity of income sources new players are empowered to take advantage of, the better we can retain them as long-term customers. The current system where new players are forced into two revenue streams (mining and missioning) is boring and washes many players out.
Newbie scamming is another issue that can be taken care of through some tutorial efforts, I have no problem holding players responsible for their own safety as long as theyGÇÖve been educated about the rules. If the game isnGÇÖt teaching a player about aggression mechanics and which actions will allow them to be killed in high sec space, we canGÇÖt blame them for being upset and frustrated when someone takes advantage of their naivete. A simple agent designed to teach about theft, aggression, salvaging, and security status would be extremely useful here. New players have a right to know about which dangers lurk in the sandbox alongside them.
It also kills me to see fundamental safety tools like the directional scanner go unmentioned in the tutorials. D-Scan is perhaps the single most powerful self-defense tool a ship has, even more than its speed, weapons, shields, armor, or hull strength combined. Knowing when an enemy is about to strike will always be the key to making an informed fight-or-flight response, and D-scans open up worlds of travel to pilots looking to explore more dangerous territory.
ItGÇÖs a shame this is something you get taught only once you network with other players, when new players could be taking advantage of it immediately. I hope those of us elected to CSM7 can jointly encourage CCP to place this teaching into the tutorials, or provide players with video resources at the very least.
IGÇÖm glad you mentioned these, they certainly would have made it into my blog post if I wasnGÇÖt trying to keep it somewhat concise, but these tools are just as valuable as ship fitting and clone use in preparing new pilots for the wars to come!
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Rei Seiji
Production N Destruction INC. The Last Chancers.
14
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Posted - 2012.02.28 10:04:00 -
[503] - Quote
Herr Jagerblitzen, two questions for you... or perhaps more than two, but two main ones, with a variety of small details questions following them.
Firstly, even though I haven't any experience with FW activity, I find the platform regarding it outlined in that PDF quite intriguing, and on that basis alone, I would greatly like you to see you make it to the CSM.
Outside of FW, however, what is your opinion regarding Wormholes? There's already a specific wormhole CSM that feels like it's his duty to defend the status quo, whereas the others, aligned more to nullsec activities, seem intent to turn the currently lawless j-space into a fancier version of 0.0, with blobs for everyone.
Secondly, I find your lack of spectacles to be rather disappointing. Regarding your grievous lack of eyewear, and seeing how it's only henchmen, and not sophisticated villains as yourself, that go without it, would you say that you're more of the glasses type, or a refined monocle wearer? |
Benny Ohu
The Lazy Dragoons True Apathy
0
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Posted - 2012.02.28 12:28:00 -
[504] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Probing--The exploration tutorial arc does a decent job of teaching how to probe for exploration sites--although it could be more explicit about how to position probes vis-a-vis why one must use 4 probes minimum--but has, again, nothing at all about combat-probing, how to do it, and how to use the d-scanner to check if you're being probed.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I would LOVE to see [exploration] taught to newer players so they have more interesting content available to them early in their careers. The more diversity of income sources new players are empowered to take advantage of, the better we can retain them as long-term customers. The current system where new players are forced into two revenue streams (mining and missioning) is boring and washes many players out.
The tutorial does teach exploration, the modules involved and such, but not as well as it could... I remember having to look up an EVE-Uni guide to learn what I now consider essential information. I actually read the mission primers, too. ;) The message of the day at the top of the newbie help channel (placed there by the ISDs) screams to newbies that they must scan a site with four probes to 100 percent to get a warpin. Probing questions are common there, and the most common response is someone hotlinking a YouTube probing guide with several others saying, "yes, watch that, it helped me out so much". Hell, the ISDs link the YouTube probing guide.
Actually, if you want to know how to improve the tutorial and make the learning 'cliff' a little easier to scale, make a new character and spend a while helping out on the newbie help channel. Some questions are born of the player not reading the tutorial text, some because the tutorial doesn't adequately describe a game mechanic. There are some very common questions in there, or there were a few months ago when I was in there, and those questions are where to start when improving the system. |
Temba Ronin
136
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Posted - 2012.02.28 20:43:00 -
[505] - Quote
I keep reviewing the forum threads of the leading candidates and Hans continues to stand out.
Hans it would be good to have a sane solid voice for the majority of players on the CSM. Hans you will be a new face on the CSM actually trying to improve gameplay by getting CCP to fix the block headed things that frustrate older players and drive newer ones from the game.
Hans you know not everyone wants to be in a huge power block in null sec.
Hans do you think FW could allow many of the huge battle features CCP loves without the petty dictatorships of Null sec sov?
For example: Players could login find a massive battle going on join in and not have to wait for some major corp in sov to invade another to engage in a large scale combat scenario. We could improve our skills facing other players who fight for the other side, real pew pew on a large scale available to everyone!
Power To The Players!
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SigmaPi
Valkyr Industries Late Night Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.02.28 21:46:00 -
[506] - Quote
Temba Ronin wrote:I keep reviewing the forum threads of the leading candidates and Hans continues to stand out.
Hans it would be good to have a sane solid voice for the majority of players on the CSM. Hans you will be a new face on the CSM actually trying to improve gameplay by getting CCP to fix the block headed things that frustrate older players and drive newer ones from the game.
Hans you know not everyone wants to be in a huge power block in null sec.
Hans do you think FW could allow many of the huge battle features CCP loves without the petty dictatorships of Null sec sov?
For example: Players could login find a massive battle going on join in and not have to wait for some major corp in sov to invade another to engage in a large scale combat scenario. We could improve our skills facing other players who fight for the other side, real pew pew on a large scale available to everyone!
Power To The Players!
Kinda like this fight? |
Vala Quin
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:31:00 -
[507] - Quote
MWD/CLOAK trick is not a cheat, Your jsut bad at burning at cloakies butt munch :3, Your just mad cause your bad..... |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
242
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:50:00 -
[508] - Quote
Vala Quin wrote:MWD/CLOAK trick is not a cheat, Your jsut bad at burning at cloakies butt munch :3, Your just mad cause your bad.....
^^This.^^
(Although I don't know if it's necessarily because the "he" you refer to is bad--it takes practise, a very fast ship, and a bit of luck to do consistently. That said, it still can be done.)
I think the MWD/Cloak mechanic works because the server/client goes in 1-second ticks--it's also why there is no such thing as true insta-lock, despite EFT/PyFA saying you can lock certain things in certain ships in less than 0.5 seconds, no matter how fast your connection is.
I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
242
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Posted - 2012.02.28 23:52:00 -
[509] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Probing--The exploration tutorial arc does a decent job of teaching how to probe for exploration sites--although it could be more explicit about how to position probes vis-a-vis why one must use 4 probes minimum--but has, again, nothing at all about combat-probing, how to do it, and how to use the d-scanner to check if you're being probed.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:I would LOVE to see [exploration] taught to newer players so they have more interesting content available to them early in their careers. The more diversity of income sources new players are empowered to take advantage of, the better we can retain them as long-term customers. The current system where new players are forced into two revenue streams (mining and missioning) is boring and washes many players out.
The tutorial does teach exploration, the modules involved and such, but not as well as it could... I remember having to look up an EVE-Uni guide to learn what I now consider essential information. I actually read the mission primers, too. ;) The message of the day at the top of the newbie help channel (placed there by the ISDs) screams to newbies that they must scan a site with four probes to 100 percent to get a warpin. Probing questions are common there, and the most common response is someone hotlinking a YouTube probing guide with several others saying, "yes, watch that, it helped me out so much". Hell, the ISDs link the YouTube probing guide. Actually, if you want to know how to improve the tutorial and make the learning 'cliff' a little easier to scale, make a new character and spend a while helping out on the newbie help channel. Some questions are born of the player not reading the tutorial text, some because the tutorial doesn't adequately describe a game mechanic. There are some very common questions in there, or there were a few months ago when I was in there, and those questions are where to start when improving the system.
That is a real issue pandemic to the NPE--new players should learn the basics of the game, through tools available in game--why is this such a huge blind-spot in EVE? Always has been, AFAIK.
I are kyute kitten! I are in ur mishun! Redoosin' teh lag by ninja'ing ur wrekz! (CCP: Make wrecks probable, and after 30min., tractorable.) |
Pulgy
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
46
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Posted - 2012.02.29 05:07:00 -
[510] - Quote
Hans for Presidente \o/ Monkeys writing-á Shakespeare? That's like putting CCP in charge of game balance and content updates. |
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
31
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Posted - 2012.02.29 05:55:00 -
[511] - Quote
WHAT!?!
You won one .. this will not do! I shall have words with our commanders for sure
FW actually has quite a lot of the big fights (100+ on grid, weekend ISK sinks!), both with and without capitals dropped. Both sides have bait-POS setup in locations meant to annoy the opposition and POCO's have started attracting attention .. although those are probably just used as excuses to have a romp. Beauty of it is that even when "blobby" there is still room for independent thought/prowess .. if sizes keep going up that won't hold true much longer though, but hopefully we have mechanics to encourage skirmishing at that point so all is well.
Does CCP poll incoming players in regards to NPE quality/content and if so is the polling done too soon for the pilot to be able to give an informed answer? We old-timers probably have a hard time thinking back to days of yore and tend to evaluate it based on our current "state" .. something for the ISD to do me'thinks.
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Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.29 08:29:00 -
[512] - Quote
I see the next term as the hot topic (inferno pun intended) for warfare and crimewatch issues in its many forms.
As such the wealth of experience you have in these areas I see as vital for the next term of the CSM and think it would be a tragedy not to see you as a prominent figure of CSM7. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2012.02.29 14:21:00 -
[513] - Quote
Just been set to Neutral by Hans.....Are you planning to kill the people that vote for you? Or is it some kind of private agenda |
Karl Planck
134
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Posted - 2012.02.29 16:52:00 -
[514] - Quote
This thread has a lot of hope for actually getting a decent representative for empire game mechanics.
Delici Feelgood wrote:I see the next term as the hot topic (inferno pun intended) for warfare and crimewatch issues in its many forms.
As such the wealth of experience you have in these areas I see as vital for the next term of the CSM and think it would be a tragedy not to see you as a prominent figure of CSM7.
If they are going to be rewriting this code during CSM7 then we NEED Hans on the committee. Null never really has to worry about these mechanics, and if CCP plans on changing the rules the players need someone to let ccp know what has/hasn't worked and what players are looking for that they cannot get with the current mechanics.
GO HANS If you don't like it, you should go and ride your Emo high-horse all the way back to WoW.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1958
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:40:00 -
[515] - Quote
Andrea Roche wrote:Just been set to Neutral by Hans.....Are you planning to kill the people that vote for you? Or is it some kind of private agenda
Yes, of course I'm planning to keep on shooting some of my voters! Just because the militias have united behind me politically doesn't mean we aren't going to cross swords on Tranquility. Same with those flashy pirates :)
If I set everyone blue that voted for me I'd pretty much run myself out of reasons to play the game overnight. I'm pretty sure I'm the only candidate whose supporters include large amounts of enemies.
No one should read much into my contacts settings, I'm setting everyone I add to neutral here so it impacts gameplay the least. If you're friend or foe, there will be other indicators on my overview that end up determining that.
Good question though, glad you brought it up!
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1958
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:54:00 -
[516] - Quote
In case any of you have missed my various radio and podcast appearances, IGÇÖve linked a summary of them all on my blog. Stop by and listen! The latest addition to the list was my EvE News 24 interview with Sindel Pellion.
IGÇÖve seen some recent questions to follow up on, I havenGÇÖt forgotten and I should get back to you all by the end of the day.
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Simyaldee
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
14
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Posted - 2012.02.29 21:24:00 -
[517] - Quote
Unfortunately I missed the EVE-Radio one. However the VoV and News24 Interviews were good and you seemed very organized, well thought out and consistent. I cracked up about what happend in the VoV intereview.
I was, however, slightly disappointed. I expected your voice to be manlier .
P.S. Who was bleeding in the News24 one at the end their? |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1963
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:22:00 -
[518] - Quote
Simyaldee wrote:Unfortunately I missed the EVE-Radio one. However the VoV and News24 Interviews were good and you seemed very organized, well thought out and consistent. I cracked up about what happend in the VoV intereview. I was, however, slightly disappointed. I expected your voice to be manlier . P.S. Who was bleeding in the News24 one at the end their?
My wife was attacked by our cat, so I had to take a moment and make sure she was alright before going back to the interview. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:24:00 -
[519] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Simyaldee wrote:Unfortunately I missed the EVE-Radio one. However the VoV and News24 Interviews were good and you seemed very organized, well thought out and consistent. I cracked up about what happend in the VoV intereview. I was, however, slightly disappointed. I expected your voice to be manlier . P.S. Who was bleeding in the News24 one at the end their? My wife was attacked by our cat, so I had to take a moment and make sure she was alright before going back to the interview. was this like a really big cat? tiger perhaps? puss strikes back |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1963
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:27:00 -
[520] - Quote
He wishes he was. He's just developed the nasty habit of jumping up and clawing her face whenever he wants attention. |
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Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:28:00 -
[521] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:He wishes he was. He's just developed the nasty habit of jumping up and clawing her face whenever he wants attention. make the cat homeless and get mans best friend instead |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1963
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:42:00 -
[522] - Quote
Andrea Roche wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:He wishes he was. He's just developed the nasty habit of jumping up and clawing her face whenever he wants attention. make the cat homeless and get mans best friend instead
Preaching to the choir. He just came with my wife, they were a package deal. At least he abuses her and not me for whatever reason. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1965
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Posted - 2012.03.01 00:00:00 -
[523] - Quote
Oooooh, what's this?? Thanks for the kind words, Trebor!! |
Abyss Azizora
Amarrian Warfactory
7
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Posted - 2012.03.01 08:41:00 -
[524] - Quote
Bump to the top for the best candidate to come along in a long while. |
Sui'Djin
Black Rise Guerilla Forces
1
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Posted - 2012.03.01 12:44:00 -
[525] - Quote
looking forward to voting for Hans just 6 days left |
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
37
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Posted - 2012.03.01 13:02:00 -
[526] - Quote
YouGÇÖre on the short-list! what would be your Dream Team? |
Iris Bravemount
Aliastra Gallente Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.03.01 15:08:00 -
[527] - Quote
I have spent the last few days reading through the whole campaign.
You convinced me. You will have my two votes, and I'll talk about you to my contacts.
Let's stand for a revamped empire ! Improve weapon sound effects |
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
24
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:48:00 -
[528] - Quote
I haven't read your 'mission statement' but I would say that I firmly believe mining is not broken and does not need fixing. If you don't like mining or find it boring please go and choose another profession. Leave mining to those who like to mine.
I am looking to vote for someone to vote for who is not not focused just on nul sec - indeed someone who is maybe slightly biased in favour of low & high sec to 'even the odds' - but I will avoid voting for anyone who is going to propose 'fixing' mining. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
1290
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:11:00 -
[529] - Quote
Celgar Thurn wrote:I haven't read your 'mission statement' but I would say that I firmly believe mining is not broken and does not need fixing. If you don't like mining or find it boring please go and choose another profession. Leave mining to those who like to mine. I am looking to vote for someone to vote for who is not not focused just on nul sec - indeed someone who is maybe slightly biased in favour of low & high sec to 'even the odds' - but I will avoid voting for anyone who is going to propose 'fixing' mining.
The problem with this stance is that you seem to be arguing for a mechanic that has stayed completely static for over nine years to not be evolved or iterated upon. That's just not very realistic, m8. At some point in the near future, once all of the sov mechanics and FW stuff has been given a good booosh, there is an industrial revolution coming in EVE. There are too many people that want to see positive changes and interesting game play applied to that part of EVE.
And now I've bumped Hans' thread, as if he needed it. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:45:00 -
[530] - Quote
There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode |
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Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.03.01 19:02:00 -
[531] - Quote
Andrea Roche wrote:Seleene wrote:Celgar Thurn wrote:I haven't read your 'mission statement' but I would say that I firmly believe mining is not broken and does not need fixing. If you don't like mining or find it boring please go and choose another profession. Leave mining to those who like to mine. I am looking to vote for someone to vote for who is not not focused just on nul sec - indeed someone who is maybe slightly biased in favour of low & high sec to 'even the odds' - but I will avoid voting for anyone who is going to propose 'fixing' mining. The problem with this stance is that you seem to be arguing for a mechanic that has stayed completely static for over nine years to not be evolved or iterated upon. That's just not very realistic, m8. At some point in the near future, once all of the sov mechanics and FW stuff has been given a good booosh, there is an industrial revolution coming in EVE. There are too many people that want to see positive changes and interesting game play applied to that part of EVE. And now I've bumped Hans' thread, as if he needed it. without a question, industry has not changed for far too long. The only changes since then was the introduction of the rorqual + noctis + rorqual + orca. But this are indirect changes. The ganking in high sec for these are too easy and to no cost to the ganker compared to a cost of a hulk. I dont mean that it should not be allowed BUT the cost of doing this should be much more closer. At present you can do this with a destroyer. Destroyer fully fitted only cost like 8m and a hulk fully fitted cost 130m+. Its too easy to get away with murder. I think the cost should be at least 40 percent vs 60 percent So far its no way near. This is grave issue.
EvE BBCODE doesnt like parsing the percentage symbol Andrea. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
126
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Posted - 2012.03.01 19:59:00 -
[532] - Quote
Seleene wrote:Celgar Thurn wrote:I haven't read your 'mission statement' but I would say that I firmly believe mining is not broken and does not need fixing. If you don't like mining or find it boring please go and choose another profession. Leave mining to those who like to mine. I am looking to vote for someone to vote for who is not not focused just on nul sec - indeed someone who is maybe slightly biased in favour of low & high sec to 'even the odds' - but I will avoid voting for anyone who is going to propose 'fixing' mining. The problem with this stance is that you seem to be arguing for a mechanic that has stayed completely static for over nine years to not be evolved or iterated upon. That's just not very realistic, m8. At some point in the near future, once all of the sov mechanics and FW stuff has been given a good booosh, there is an industrial revolution coming in EVE. There are too many people that want to see positive changes and interesting game play applied to that part of EVE. And now I've bumped Hans' thread, as if he needed it.
The other problem with your stance, Celgar Thurn, is how you start off "I haven't read [his] mission statement" so how do you know what his mission is? Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2012.03.01 20:16:00 -
[533] - Quote
Delici Feelgood wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:Seleene wrote:Celgar Thurn wrote:I haven't read your 'mission statement' but I would say that I firmly believe mining is not broken and does not need fixing. If you don't like mining or find it boring please go and choose another profession. Leave mining to those who like to mine. I am looking to vote for someone to vote for who is not not focused just on nul sec - indeed someone who is maybe slightly biased in favour of low & high sec to 'even the odds' - but I will avoid voting for anyone who is going to propose 'fixing' mining. The problem with this stance is that you seem to be arguing for a mechanic that has stayed completely static for over nine years to not be evolved or iterated upon. That's just not very realistic, m8. At some point in the near future, once all of the sov mechanics and FW stuff has been given a good booosh, there is an industrial revolution coming in EVE. There are too many people that want to see positive changes and interesting game play applied to that part of EVE. And now I've bumped Hans' thread, as if he needed it. without a question, industry has not changed for far too long. The only changes since then was the introduction of the rorqual + noctis + rorqual + orca. But this are indirect changes. The ganking in high sec for these are too easy and to no cost to the ganker compared to a cost of a hulk. I dont mean that it should not be allowed BUT the cost of doing this should be much more closer. At present you can do this with a destroyer. Destroyer fully fitted only cost like 8m and a hulk fully fitted cost 130m+. Its too easy to get away with murder. I think the cost should be at least 40 percent vs 60 percent So far its no way near. This is grave issue. EvE BBCode sometimes doesnt like parsing the percentage symbol Andrea. lol interesting, cheers
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3097
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Posted - 2012.03.01 20:42:00 -
[534] - Quote
Seleene wrote:Celgar Thurn wrote:I haven't read your 'mission statement' but I would say that I firmly believe mining is not broken and does not need fixing. If you don't like mining or find it boring please go and choose another profession. Leave mining to those who like to mine. I am looking to vote for someone to vote for who is not not focused just on nul sec - indeed someone who is maybe slightly biased in favour of low & high sec to 'even the odds' - but I will avoid voting for anyone who is going to propose 'fixing' mining. The problem with this stance is that you seem to be arguing for a mechanic that has stayed completely static for over nine years to not be evolved or iterated upon. That's just not very realistic, m8. At some point in the near future, once all of the sov mechanics and FW stuff has been given a good booosh, there is an industrial revolution coming in EVE. There are too many people that want to see positive changes and interesting game play applied to that part of EVE. And now I've bumped Hans' thread, as if he needed it.
That will be a long, long overdue expansion, and I will be delighted to see it. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Silath Slyver Silverpine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.03.01 20:50:00 -
[535] - Quote
I read every candidate's positions (Those that bothered to write one, anyway)
Hans' is by far, in my opinion, the most level-headed and realistic candidate. A few others had valid points, but in my opinion are simply to stubborn or hard headed to get things done. I think the candidates personality is equally as important as their views.
Anyway, come March 7th you've got my vote Hans. Hope you get a seat. |
Vaurion Infara
Beyond Divinity Inc Excuses.
18
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Posted - 2012.03.02 03:25:00 -
[536] - Quote
Hans, you're the man. +1
MickeyFinn > Fyi Vaurion Infara is a bad apple in a bunch of good ones. Dont let his big mouth and moods bring you down! If anyone lives near him RL get him LAID! would help him a ton. Fly safe and gods speed. |
Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
5
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Posted - 2012.03.02 05:36:00 -
[537] - Quote
wow...the thought of having sweet grief tears in exchange for my hulk gank butthurt...so satisfying. I would be TOTALLY fine with losing a hulk if i knew it meant such sweet revenge soon.
my new main profession? ganking the gankers.
making.5 space kinda dangerous but worth it AND knowing anyone who F's with me has to deal with the size of my wallet when I drop a few bil on your head?
delicious
Hans, you just got +5
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Jonathan Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
30
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Posted - 2012.03.02 08:51:00 -
[538] - Quote
The message here is good. The messenger, not so much.
'99%ers I represent you!' is a good rallying cry, but back it up with past posts. Where were you during the summer of rage? What were you saying then? Do you really care about EVE or are you just hoping that enough people dislike Alex that you'll snag a free trip to Iceland?
If you're the next Mynxee or Teadaze, you should have plentiful old posts we can read to back up that assertion. |
Temba Ronin
136
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Posted - 2012.03.02 08:55:00 -
[539] - Quote
It affirms the power the Hans Jagerblitzen campaign is generating when current CSM6 members are commenting in this thread.
They seem to sense the change that is coming and are trying to align themselves with the future. Glad to see that Hans Jagerblitzen the candidate with serious ideas, is being taken seriously by the current members of the CSM that hope to be his peers after this election. Hans Jagerblitzen's campaign platform proves he is the best candidate for the majority of EVE players.
Power To The Players! |
Rastrelli Strasov
EntroPrelatial Industria EntroPraetorian Aegis
0
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Posted - 2012.03.02 09:08:00 -
[540] - Quote
If i have read this correctly... the candidate is a "High/Low Sec" representative? Joy
plaswan |
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
126
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Posted - 2012.03.02 09:12:00 -
[541] - Quote
Jonathan Ferguson wrote:The message here is good. The messenger, not so much.
'99%ers I represent you!' is a good rallying cry, but back it up with past posts. Where were you during the summer of rage? What were you saying then? Do you really care about EVE or are you just hoping that enough people dislike Alex that you'll snag a free trip to Iceland?
If you're the next Mynxee or Teadaze, you should have plentiful old posts we can read to back up that assertion.
He states himself that he hasn't been around for as long as a lot of the other candidates. However, for the past year and throughout CSM6 he has been rallying the FW community (which was one of the most fragmented communities in EVE) and collected, organized, compiled a list of common themes that all FW pilots agreed needed to be fixed and ideas on how to fix those problems. He coordinated with CSM6 (as many of them have testified throughout this thread/forum) to bring those issues to the CSM and CCP's attention.
We (the FW crowd) didn't get exactly what we were expecting despite Hans' work unifying our ideas and presenting them to CSM/CCP. We were listed as a "Little Thing" in the recent Minutes and there were comments that FW might be a great "test-bed for Null Sov mechanics. Therefore, Hans is running based on the need for a CSM member that is in-touch with the FW demographic seeing as the Inferno expansion is going to be focusing on FW and warfare mechanics.
If you've taken the time to read through this thread, read Hans' blog, see his comments in other threads on the forum, peruse his numerous FW-related threadnaughts he has managed in W&T and General Discussion, you will see that your idea that "The message here is good, but the messenger: not so much" is pretty silly! He has proven himself on the forums and off as a smart, down-to-earth guy.
More than any other candidate in the race for CSM7, I think Hans will follow through to the absolute best of his abilities to provide meaningful and desired change to all EVE demographics. He has noted that his "agenda" is simply the amalgamated desires of the FW demographic, and I am positive he would be as happy to work with the actual communities (pirate, high-sec, mercenaries, industrialists, etc) as opposed to merely pushing his own personal agenda (which, IMO, a lot of the other current and past candidates have been prone to do).
I'm obviously somewhat biased as I have known Hans for quite a while now. However, I think that if I was some total scrub who didn't know any of the CSM7 candidates/incumbents and their past exploits and judged them solely on their "platforms" and responses in their forum threads and their handling of themselves in interviews, Hans would come out miles before any other candidate as the most level-headed and professional. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
5
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Posted - 2012.03.02 14:53:00 -
[542] - Quote
I will say that he was doing work trying to get things changed BEFORE he had any chance of getting a ticket to iceland. That makes me think its unlikely his reasoning is just to hop in, get his 5 minutes of fame, take a tour of Reykjavik and go home. He was trying to get people to listen to some good ideas before anyone had to listen to him, now he might actually get to talk (instead of handing a stack of good ideas to the CSM and hoping they do it). According to the past CSM that was helpful, so maybe with him on the CSM more good will come of it. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
294
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Posted - 2012.03.02 16:43:00 -
[543] - Quote
Jonathan Ferguson wrote:The message here is good. The messenger, not so much.
'99%ers I represent you!' is a good rallying cry, but back it up with past posts. Where were you during the summer of rage? What were you saying then? Do you really care about EVE or are you just hoping that enough people dislike Alex that you'll snag a free trip to Iceland?
If you're the next Mynxee or Teadaze, you should have plentiful old posts we can read to back up that assertion.
I think hans has been more engaged with the community than any csm candidate since Mynxee or Teadaze. Take a look at his posts in the faction war thread. Yes that is what he has focused on - it is a large part of the game and more importantly he worked with the players to come up with concrete ideas and more general ideas to offer ccp that will make it bigger better and overall a big boon to all of eve.
I don't think any csm candidate in the history of the game has created the sort of consensus of players for how to ccp should iterate on a large feature in eve.
Again I encourage you to read the thread where he started teasing out ideas about faction war from the players. Look at all the arguing and initial disparaty in that thread. Then look and see that even people who were basically just calling eachother names in that thread still are supporting Hans here because he pulling together the best ideas and capturing the spirit of what we want out of eve more than anyone else.
Hans can do that with many different parts of the game too. How do I know? Because these weren't his ideas he was pushing. He was listening to players asking questions about what they wanted, challenging them to think about other points of view, and trying to encapsulate the upshot of those discussions. That methodology can be used in any area of the game.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Zimmy Zeta
Battle Force Industries Tactical Invader Syndicate
937
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Posted - 2012.03.02 17:38:00 -
[544] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Andrea Roche wrote:Just been set to Neutral by Hans.....Are you planning to kill the people that vote for you? Or is it some kind of private agenda Yes, of course I'm planning to keep on shooting some of my voters! Just because the militias have united behind me politically doesn't mean we aren't going to cross swords on Tranquility. Same with those flashy pirates :) If I set everyone blue that voted for me I'd pretty much run myself out of reasons to play the game overnight. I'm pretty sure I'm the only candidate whose supporters include large amounts of enemies. No one should read much into my contacts settings, I'm setting everyone I add to neutral here so it impacts gameplay the least. If you're friend or foe, there will be other indicators on my overview that end up determining that. Good question though, glad you brought it up!
Oh..so that's why you added me as a contact. I returned your kindness by setting you to blue. Don't feel safe though, I like blue tears the most -.- |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1979
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Posted - 2012.03.02 18:11:00 -
[545] - Quote
Rei Seiji wrote:Outside of FW, however, what is your opinion regarding Wormholes? There's already a specific wormhole CSM that feels like it's his duty to defend the status quo, whereas the others, aligned more to nullsec activities, seem intent to turn the currently lawless j-space into a fancier version of 0.0, with blobs for everyone.
I believe we should elect a diverse enough leadership that the permanent residents of the various regions can make decisions regarding their own space. Two Step is the resident wormhole expert and candidate, whether he defends the status quo or not is a decision he should reach by working with wormhole citizens.
I do have some wormhole experience - dropping in and out of class 3GÇÖs to solo sleeper sites, and IGÇÖve also led some week-long GÇ£camping tripsGÇ¥ where weGÇÖll post up a POS for the corp and let members mine, PI, and rat till we exhaust the spawn rates, look for an exit point, and break everything down. Wormholes are one of the last bastions of small-gang warfare (beside FW), so IGÇÖd hate to see this compromised by GÇ£wormhole stabilizersGÇ¥ or other nonsense that allow powerful null sec groups to storm the gates. My personal beliefs aside, IGÇÖve been consistent in saying I would never try to override the proposals of candidates like Two Step if he can confirm thatGÇÖs what wormhole citizens wanted.
Quote:Secondly, I find your lack of spectacles to be rather disappointing. Regarding your grievous lack of eyewear, and seeing how it's only henchmen, and not sophisticated villains as yourself, that go without it, would you say that you're more of the glasses type, or a refined monocle wearer?
IGÇÖm high enough from the chemicals IGÇÖve been exposed to after years of booster manufacturing that my GÇ£third eyeGÇ¥ now allows me greater insight and vision than any piece of technology could offer. At least, thatGÇÖs what the voices in my head tell me. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1979
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Posted - 2012.03.02 18:28:00 -
[546] - Quote
Temba Ronin wrote: Hans do you think FW could allow many of the huge battle features CCP loves without the petty dictatorships of Null sec sov?
Absolutely. They were more frequent in the past, they *sometimes* happen in the present, and they should certainly happen more often in the future.
IGÇÖve spoken a lot about protecting small gang warfare, but Faction Warfare should not be fought entirely in in 10-man thrasher teams. The plexing system offers GÇ£terrainGÇ¥ for fleets with ships of a variety of sizes, and this one of its best qualities.
When one of my earliest memories was flying a tackle rifter in a large battlefield fleet attacking a POS. I didnGÇÖt even know what a POS was (and was probably being annoying as hell asking about it over comms and interrupting the FC) all I knew was I had an afterburner and a scram, and my job was to keep the scram on the GÇ£primaryGÇ¥. IGÇÖll never forget that fight, and I want Faction Warfare to be the kind of place a new player can have this experience without having to commit to a large null sec alliance.
Ideally Faction Warfare should encourage multiple fleets to operate throughout the war zone, rifter gangs all the way up to the big battleship fleets. Dreadnoughts, Carriers, and POS / POCO bashes will also be a part of Faction Warfare, and can lead to fun fights, but I donGÇÖt want to occupancy mechanics to ever require them. |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
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Posted - 2012.03.02 18:38:00 -
[547] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Ideally Faction Warfare should encourage multiple fleets to operate throughout the war zone, rifter gangs all the way up to the big battleship fleets. Dreadnoughts, Carriers, and POS / POCO bashes will also be a part of Faction Warfare, and can lead to fun fights, but I donGÇÖt want to occupancy mechanics to ever require them.
You should be careful not to take too much of your own kool aid while your campaign has momentum. You're advocating for modules that people put down when they live in, or 'occupy' space to not be a part of an occupy mechanic. This is the exact opposite of what the null community has been asking for since Dominion: tie occupancy to a mechanic that reflects people actually living in, or occupying, the space.
You may not like to have FW mirror nullsec sov, and that's fine, functionally there should probably be some sort of overlap and perhaps differing capture mechanics, but taking a position that the measures one takes to occupy space such that it's livable not being a part of the mechanics of transferring occupancy from one group to another is an illogical platform. |
Vaurion Infara
Beyond Divinity Inc Excuses.
18
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Posted - 2012.03.02 19:19:00 -
[548] - Quote
Courthouse wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Ideally Faction Warfare should encourage multiple fleets to operate throughout the war zone, rifter gangs all the way up to the big battleship fleets. Dreadnoughts, Carriers, and POS / POCO bashes will also be a part of Faction Warfare, and can lead to fun fights, but I donGÇÖt want to occupancy mechanics to ever require them. You should be careful not to take too much of your own kool aid while your campaign has momentum. You're advocating for modules that people put down when they live in, or 'occupy' space to not be a part of an occupy mechanic. This is the exact opposite of what the null community has been asking for since Dominion: tie occupancy to a mechanic that reflects people actually living in, or occupying, the space. You may not like to have FW mirror nullsec sov, and that's fine, functionally there should probably be some sort of overlap and perhaps differing capture mechanics, but taking a position that the measures one takes to occupy space such that it's livable not being a part of the mechanics of transferring occupancy from one group to another is an illogical platform.
You realize this is how lowsec works now, right? And that there's no sov in lowsec? And that pos bashes and cap fights happen in lowsec all the time? His 'illogical platform' is just stating the facts as they are, so I don't quite understand your comment.
MickeyFinn > Fyi Vaurion Infara is a bad apple in a bunch of good ones. Dont let his big mouth and moods bring you down! If anyone lives near him RL get him LAID! would help him a ton. Fly safe and gods speed. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.03.02 20:46:00 -
[549] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
One of the advantages I will bring to CSM 7 is my relative youth as an EvE player. Being just over 2 years old as a player has inoculated me from GÇ£bittervetGÇ£ status, and I think a fresh perspective that is sympathetic to newer players with fewer skillpoints would greatly benefit the diversity of the next council. I soundly reject The MittaniGÇÖs belief that the CSM only functions effectively when it is filled with candidates who view the game through the lens of 0.0 space.
So people should vote for you because of your lack of insight? Also eve based twitter account is pretty LOL |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1981
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Posted - 2012.03.02 20:57:00 -
[550] - Quote
Courthouse wrote:You should be careful not to take too much of your own kool aid while your campaign has momentum. You're advocating for modules that people put down when they live in, or 'occupy' space to not be a part of an occupy mechanic. This is the exact opposite of what the null community has been asking for since Dominion: tie occupancy to a mechanic that reflects people actually living in, or occupying, the space.
You may not like to have FW mirror nullsec sov, and that's fine, functionally there should probably be some sort of overlap and perhaps differing capture mechanics, but taking a position that the measures one takes to occupy space such that it's livable not being a part of the mechanics of transferring occupancy from one group to another is an illogical platform.
I'll happily keep drinking my kool-aid, its quite nutritious and the recipe has over 9000 herbs and spices sourced from the players that live in low sec space. You should go back and read the stuff I've written regarding the cultural differences between low sec residents and null sec residents, and the myriad reasons why you can't just take what works in 0.0 and use it to shape other regions of space.
Faction Warfare is just that - warfare. It's not about empire building, resource managment, logistics chains, or even a sense of permanency. If you read the lore, the militias are a legally *tolerated* defense group, born out of emergency need and are not the military themselves. We are essentially the xenophobic and patriotic crazies hanging out on the borderlands anxious for anything we can justify shooting without actually breaking the law. As actvitiy has dwindled over the years, we nowadays hardly even care about the law anymore.
Faction Warfare occupancy mechanics should revolve around fleet combat victories, not structure shoots. This isn't about what the null community has been asking for since Dominion, its about what the low sec community has been asking for since Empyrean Age. If null residents want occupancy to include revolve around structures, dreadnoughts, and POS shoots, GREAT!! I'm happy to support those changes as long as they apply to 0.0. Forcing null mechanics on a crowd that doesnt appreciate them is not only illogical, its dangerous in terms of customer retention. I'd hate to see another mini-Incarna rage summer because CCP didn't listen to the thousands of players enlisted in Faction Warfare. |
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Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.03.02 20:58:00 -
[551] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Faction Warfare occupancy mechanics should revolve around fleet combat victories, not structure shoots. This isn't about what the null community has been asking for since Dominion, its about what the low sec community has been asking for since Empyrean Age. If null residents want occupancy to include revolve around structures, dreadnoughts, and POS shoots, GREAT!! I'm happy to support those changes as long as they apply to 0.0. Forcing null mechanics on a crowd that doesnt appreciate them is not only illogical, its dangerous in terms of customer retention. I'd hate to see another mini-Incarna rage summer because CCP didn't listen to the thousands of players enlisted in Faction Warfare.
Nothing about sov warfare matters to anyone but nullsec players. If you are a low or high sec pubby please keep your chatter to mining simulators and playing house with Aurum. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1982
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:13:00 -
[552] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
One of the advantages I will bring to CSM 7 is my relative youth as an EvE player. Being just over 2 years old as a player has inoculated me from GÇ£bittervetGÇ£ status, and I think a fresh perspective that is sympathetic to newer players with fewer skillpoints would greatly benefit the diversity of the next council. I soundly reject The MittaniGÇÖs belief that the CSM only functions effectively when it is filled with candidates who view the game through the lens of 0.0 space.
So people should vote for you because of your lack of insight? Also eve based twitter account is pretty LOL
Players should vote for me because the experience for players in the first couple years of playing the game is different in some ways than players that have been playing for 5 or 6, and I live permanently in an area where other new players are also just cutting their teeth on EvE.
Here is the beginning of exchange I had with one of the current CSM's regarding Faction Warfare specifically. I hope voters will see the value in electing council members who aren't simply knowledgeable in a field, but who also stay firmly grounded in what current players engaged in a feature want for themselves. We're electing representatives, not hiring a think-tank.
As for "lack of insight", I think I've demonstrated aptly throughout my campaign that I do have plenty of important things to say about a wide reaching array of issues. The existing CSM members have had almost universally positive things to say about my proven work ethic, my knowledge of the game, and my willingness to be a team player, so I don't think there's any reason for voters to worry about whether or not I'm capable of performing the job once I'm there. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
295
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:15:00 -
[553] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
One of the advantages I will bring to CSM 7 is my relative youth as an EvE player. Being just over 2 years old as a player has inoculated me from GÇ£bittervetGÇ£ status, and I think a fresh perspective that is sympathetic to newer players with fewer skillpoints would greatly benefit the diversity of the next council. I soundly reject The MittaniGÇÖs belief that the CSM only functions effectively when it is filled with candidates who view the game through the lens of 0.0 space.
So people should vote for you because of your lack of insight? Also eve based twitter account is pretty LOL
Right. Because anyone who doesn't view eve through a null sec lens must lack insight. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:16:00 -
[554] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
One of the advantages I will bring to CSM 7 is my relative youth as an EvE player. Being just over 2 years old as a player has inoculated me from GÇ£bittervetGÇ£ status, and I think a fresh perspective that is sympathetic to newer players with fewer skillpoints would greatly benefit the diversity of the next council. I soundly reject The MittaniGÇÖs belief that the CSM only functions effectively when it is filled with candidates who view the game through the lens of 0.0 space.
So people should vote for you because of your lack of insight? Also eve based twitter account is pretty LOL Players should vote for me because the experience for players in the first couple years of playing the game is different in some ways than players that have been playing for 5 or 6, and I live permanently in an area where other new players are also just cutting their teeth on EvE. Here is the beginning of exchange I had with one of the current CSM's regarding Faction Warfare specifically. I hope voters will see the value in electing council members who aren't simply knowledgeable in a field, but who also stay firmly grounded in what current players engaged in a feature want for themselves. We're electing representatives, not hiring a think-tank. As for "lack of insight", I think I've demonstrated aptly throughout my campaign that I do have plenty of important things to say about a wide reaching array of issues. The existing CSM members have had almost universally positive things to say about my proven work ethic, my knowledge of the game, and my willingness to be a team player, so I don't think there's any reason for voters to worry about whether or not I'm capable of performing the job once I'm there.
Can you give me some advice on what minerals to mine or what mods to make and sell at a loss in JITA?
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1982
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:18:00 -
[555] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: Nothing about sov warfare matters to anyone but nullsec players. If you are a low or high sec pubby please keep your chatter to mining simulators and playing house with Aurum.
Well, since you think that all "low or high sec pubby"s simply mine and buy clothes, I think that confirms how much insight YOU have about EVE and the way its played. It's a really good thing that between the two of us, I'm the one running for the council. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:19:00 -
[556] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: Nothing about sov warfare matters to anyone but nullsec players. If you are a low or high sec pubby please keep your chatter to mining simulators and playing house with Aurum.
Well, since you think that all "low or high sec pubby"s simply mine and buy clothes, I think that confirms how much insight YOU have about EVE and the way its played. It's a really good thing that between the two of us, I'm the one running for the council.
Sorry I forgot making mods at a loss for the JITA market. Good luck in your defeat. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1982
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:20:00 -
[557] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Good luck
Thanks!
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Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
7
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:20:00 -
[558] - Quote
I dont think hes saying anything about sov mechanics...I think hes made it clear he doesnt care about sov mechanics.
as a primarily null-sec person I personally like the sov mechanics, thats just my opinion.
in contrast, i think what Hans is saying is that there are changes that need to be made to low AND hi sec that are completely independent of changes to null-sec (if any, which hes not really advocating any)
I agree that low and hi sec need the most help, and thats why I like Hans |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
81
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:22:00 -
[559] - Quote
Zathryon wrote:I dont think hes saying anything about sov mechanics...I think hes made it clear he doesnt care about sov mechanics. as a primarily null-sec person I personally like the sov mechanics, thats just my opinion. in contrast, i think what Hans is saying is that there are changes that need to be made to low AND hi sec that are completely independent of changes to null-sec (if any, which hes not really advocating any) I agree that low and hi sec need the most help, and thats why I like Hans high sec exists for actual players of this game to laugh at and take advantage of. Mittani has proven this time and time again. High sec pubbies just get shat on every CSM and it will continue. They deserve it though because these are the sorts of candidates they have. You like him because you are just a pubby fetishist. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1982
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:31:00 -
[560] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: high sec exists for actual players of this game to laugh at and take advantage of. Mittani has proven this time and time again. High sec pubbies just get shat on every CSM and it will continue. They deserve it though because these are the sorts of candidates they have. You like him because you are just a pubby fetishist.
The Mittani wrote:I sort of assumed that Hans would be a FW candidate this year and I support him, no need to get all ~rah rah mittens~ about it.
During CSM6 Hans reached out to us and gave us a whole list of FW fixes, which we promptly dumped in CCP's lap, and they're now cognizant of them - pretty much entirely due to Hans taking the initiative.
FW dudes should have a rep, just like Wormhole dudes. If I was a FW player, I'd rally behind Hans. Good luck!
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Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:46:00 -
[561] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: high sec exists for actual players of this game to laugh at and take advantage of. Mittani has proven this time and time again. High sec pubbies just get shat on every CSM and it will continue. They deserve it though because these are the sorts of candidates they have. You like him because you are just a pubby fetishist.
The Mittani wrote:I sort of assumed that Hans would be a FW candidate this year and I support him, no need to get all ~rah rah mittens~ about it.
During CSM6 Hans reached out to us and gave us a whole list of FW fixes, which we promptly dumped in CCP's lap, and they're now cognizant of them - pretty much entirely due to Hans taking the initiative.
FW dudes should have a rep, just like Wormhole dudes. If I was a FW player, I'd rally behind Hans. Good luck!
If you think he is supporting you because of any other reason than you serve a purpose as a tool for him then you are delusional. |
Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
7
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:54:00 -
[562] - Quote
gratz hans, you have passed the troll test
and for the record, I love 0.0 and have spent the overwhelming majority of my 3 years in eve there...but i like hisec too and i think hisec could be way more fun with some changes. plus 66% of eve lives there so its only right that they get some love. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1987
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:56:00 -
[563] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: If you think he is supporting you because of any other reason than you serve a purpose as a tool for him then you are delusional.
If he is supporting me because he thinks I will serve a purpose as a tool for him, than HE is delusional, and should probably retract his words of support. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1987
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:01:00 -
[564] - Quote
Zathryon wrote:gratz hans, you have passed the troll test
Trolls occasionally ask important questions, they just do it in nasty ways.
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None ofthe Above
103
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:20:00 -
[565] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Zathryon wrote:I dont think hes saying anything about sov mechanics...I think hes made it clear he doesnt care about sov mechanics. as a primarily null-sec person I personally like the sov mechanics, thats just my opinion. in contrast, i think what Hans is saying is that there are changes that need to be made to low AND hi sec that are completely independent of changes to null-sec (if any, which hes not really advocating any) I agree that low and hi sec need the most help, and thats why I like Hans high sec exists for actual players of this game to laugh at and take advantage of. Mittani has proven this time and time again. High sec pubbies just get shat on every CSM and it will continue. They deserve it though because these are the sorts of candidates they have. You like him because you are just a pubby fetishist.
Keep poasting! Every player you enrage is another voter. Thank you for your support.
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
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Posted - 2012.03.02 23:24:00 -
[566] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Faction Warfare is just that - warfare. It's not about empire building, resource managment, logistics chains, or even a sense of permanency. If you read the lore, the militias are a legally *tolerated* defense group, born out of emergency need and are not the military themselves. We are essentially the xenophobic and patriotic crazies hanging out on the borderlands anxious for anything we can justify shooting without actually breaking the law. As actvitiy has dwindled over the years, we nowadays hardly even care about the law anymore.
Faction Warfare occupancy mechanics should revolve around fleet combat victories, not structure shoots. This isn't about what the null community has been asking for since Dominion, its about what the low sec community has been asking for since Empyrean Age. If null residents want occupancy to include revolve around structures, dreadnoughts, and POS shoots, GREAT!! I'm happy to support those changes as long as they apply to 0.0. Forcing null mechanics on a crowd that doesnt appreciate them is not only illogical, its dangerous in terms of customer retention. I'd hate to see another mini-Incarna rage summer because CCP didn't listen to the thousands of players enlisted in Faction Warfare.
Look, you need to put 5 minutes of preparation into these tirades of yours before you launch off on a tear and tell me what's up. My warning is because I want the level-headed Hans on the CSM, not the irrational circlejerk cult of personality that you're becoming.
Think about it for a moment: Ship battle victories = FW capture mechanic: Okay, GSF will go join Caldari militia and rampage through all other lowsec systems in odd hours raping anything with a signature radius and then coordinate the caldari militia to not be in lowsec for the next 20 hours, boom, caldari militia wins. it's an unworkable solution born out of a need to be the 'anti-thatguy!'
The fact is that FW has a current capture mechanic for star systems. The current mechanic is disliked, that's cool. Guess what, nullsec has a pretty ****** capture mechanic too. On top of that, nullsec has been pitching this 'farms and fields' idea, where we hope to generate small gang warfare from non-critical structures and activites that will not only provide income to the residents of null empires, but also provide target rich environments to solo/small gang gankers. Sounds familiar, yes?
A good CSM will seek to learn about the pitch already in place and see if they can develop it in a way that the same mechanic can be shared for both systems, ensuring some cohesion that the developers will love, since they won't need several sprints for each iteration of the mechanic as well as creating a system by which experts in the 'farms-and-fields-gang-warfare' can find some common ground and make the borders between null and low sec more porous.
Before you come out screaming and stomping your feet like a petulant child, listen, learn and corroborate with those who have already paved the way for the mechanics that you're looking for. |
Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.03.02 23:30:00 -
[567] - Quote
Courthouse wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Faction Warfare is just that - warfare. It's not about empire building, resource managment, logistics chains, or even a sense of permanency. If you read the lore, the militias are a legally *tolerated* defense group, born out of emergency need and are not the military themselves. We are essentially the xenophobic and patriotic crazies hanging out on the borderlands anxious for anything we can justify shooting without actually breaking the law. As actvitiy has dwindled over the years, we nowadays hardly even care about the law anymore.
Faction Warfare occupancy mechanics should revolve around fleet combat victories, not structure shoots. This isn't about what the null community has been asking for since Dominion, its about what the low sec community has been asking for since Empyrean Age. If null residents want occupancy to include revolve around structures, dreadnoughts, and POS shoots, GREAT!! I'm happy to support those changes as long as they apply to 0.0. Forcing null mechanics on a crowd that doesnt appreciate them is not only illogical, its dangerous in terms of customer retention. I'd hate to see another mini-Incarna rage summer because CCP didn't listen to the thousands of players enlisted in Faction Warfare. Look, you need to put 5 minutes of preparation into these tirades of yours before you launch off on a tear and tell me what's up. My warning is because I want the level-headed Hans on the CSM, not the irrational circlejerk cult of personality that you're becoming. Think about it for a moment: Ship battle victories = FW capture mechanic: Okay, GSF will go join Caldari militia and rampage through all other lowsec systems in odd hours raping anything with a signature radius and then coordinate the caldari militia to not be in lowsec for the next 20 hours, boom, caldari militia wins. it's an unworkable solution born out of a need to be the 'anti-thatguy!' The fact is that FW has a current capture mechanic for star systems. The current mechanic is disliked, that's cool. Guess what, nullsec has a pretty ****** capture mechanic too. On top of that, nullsec has been pitching this 'farms and fields' idea, where we hope to generate small gang warfare from non-critical structures and activites that will not only provide income to the residents of null empires, but also provide target rich environments to solo/small gang gankers. Sounds familiar, yes? A good CSM will seek to learn about the pitch already in place and see if they can develop it in a way that the same mechanic can be shared for both systems, ensuring some cohesion that the developers will love, since they won't need several sprints for each iteration of the mechanic as well as creating a system by which experts in the 'farms-and-fields-gang-warfare' can find some common ground and make the borders between null and low sec more porous. Before you come out screaming and stomping your feet like a petulant child, listen, learn and corroborate with those who have already paved the way for the mechanics that you're looking for.
tl;dr: capitulate to the null sec interest, as we need to keep control over game mechanics to ensure they support our selfish goals. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1991
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Posted - 2012.03.02 23:40:00 -
[568] - Quote
Courthouse wrote:The fact is that FW has a current capture mechanic for star systems. The current mechanic is disliked, that's cool.
I suggest you take a deep breath, calm down, and reread just about everything I've had to say on the topic of Faction Warfare. Including all my audio interviews. If you've gotten this far and you think we've all been "disliking the current mechanic" you haven't been paying attention at all.
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Simyaldee
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
14
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Posted - 2012.03.02 23:48:00 -
[569] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Zathryon wrote:I dont think hes saying anything about sov mechanics...I think hes made it clear he doesnt care about sov mechanics. as a primarily null-sec person I personally like the sov mechanics, thats just my opinion. in contrast, i think what Hans is saying is that there are changes that need to be made to low AND hi sec that are completely independent of changes to null-sec (if any, which hes not really advocating any) I agree that low and hi sec need the most help, and thats why I like Hans high sec exists for actual players of this game to laugh at and take advantage of. Mittani has proven this time and time again. High sec pubbies just get shat on every CSM and it will continue. They deserve it though because these are the sorts of candidates they have. You like him because you are just a pubby fetishist.
I was wondering when the trolls would come out of the woodwork. This might actually be a good thing. When someone starts trolling you that usually means that you are being seen as a legitimate candidate. It's tricky, however, to see if this is a ploy by a supporter of another CSM candidate in an attempt to discredit you. A failed attempt at that. Or simply some moron who'd think it be fun to simply throw baseless insults at you. Considering the fact that you, FDR, are yourself a pubby, and I will continue to refer to you as such until you step out from the protection of your neutral alt, you have no right to refer to someone such as Hans as a pubby.
Hans is a competent combat pilot with years of experience in small-gang warfare. Something I'm quite sure is something you find slightly hard to understand. Although if you would be willing to step out from behind the guise of your neutral alt I'm sure we would all be happy to compare our personal combat statistic's with your own. The majority of the rest of us had the testicular fortitude to post with our mains, but testicular fortitude is not something trolls are particularly known for.
This is a thread for serious questions for Hans on his views of certain aspects of Eve, as well as a public venue for those of us that support him and his candidacy to voice that support.
If you wish to troll please go somewhere else, I here the goons like to do it a lot, go attempt to bother Mittens with your pointless drivel, assuming that your not a Goon in the first place.
I look forward to hearing a sensible reply or nothing at all from your MAIN character from now on, although considering you are a troll, we will most likely hear some sort of pointless reply calling ME a pubbie without any real reason or proof, or some pointless little troll phrase that does not mean anything.
Good work at dealing with the trolls Hans, i think this is what political training consists of. Makes you wish for the cool simplicity of blowing up someone else's ship huh?
~See You Starside Simyaldee |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
128
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Posted - 2012.03.02 23:51:00 -
[570] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Courthouse wrote:The fact is that FW has a current capture mechanic for star systems. The current mechanic is disliked, that's cool. I suggest you take a deep breath, calm down, and reread just about everything I've had to say on the topic of Faction Warfare. Including all my audio interviews. If you've gotten this far and you think we've all been "disliking the current mechanic" you haven't been paying attention at all.
Crazy Goon is Crazy.
Honestly, Mr. Courthouse, you have consistently demonstrated that you have no idea what FW players ACTUALLY want, you just complain about how Hans is jeopardizing his campaign by not tailoring his ideas to the Nullsec bloc. Which is ridiculous. He isn't a Nullsec bloc candidate, if you haven't noticed. You cry out "I'm just trying to help you Hans!" but your "help" is a) not helpful and b) unwanted.
Thanks. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
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Simyaldee
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
14
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Posted - 2012.03.02 23:55:00 -
[571] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Courthouse wrote:The fact is that FW has a current capture mechanic for star systems. The current mechanic is disliked, that's cool. I suggest you take a deep breath, calm down, and reread just about everything I've had to say on the topic of Faction Warfare. Including all my audio interviews. If you've gotten this far and you think we've all been "disliking the current mechanic" you haven't been paying attention at all. Crazy Goon is Crazy. Honestly, Mr. Courthouse, you have consistently demonstrated that you have no idea what FW players ACTUALLY want, you just complain about how Hans is jeopardizing his campaign by not tailoring his ideas to the Nullsec bloc. Which is ridiculous. He isn't a Nullsec bloc candidate, if you haven't noticed. You cry out "I'm just trying to help you Hans!" but your "help" is a) not helpful and b) unwanted. Thanks.
This is pretty much what I agree to as well. But thank you Courthouse for posting with your main and at least having some coherence with your posts. Although like said above, your attempt at help is a tiny bit misguided. |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
114
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:16:00 -
[572] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Honestly, Mr. Courthouse, you have consistently demonstrated that you have no idea what FW players ACTUALLY want, you just complain about how Hans is jeopardizing his campaign by not tailoring his ideas to the Nullsec bloc. Which is ridiculous. He isn't a Nullsec bloc candidate, if you haven't noticed. You cry out "I'm just trying to help you Hans!" but your "help" is a) not helpful and b) unwanted.
No, I followed what you guys were talking about, but let's be honest, you guys are idiots. if you guys had a working idea between the 30 of you you'd have managed to be 1) successful at rallying support well before this point 2) a working relationship with the CSM 3) jobs as developers.
The point here is to increase the cooperation towards a workable goal, not let you all get carried away jerking each other off because you've got a popular candidate. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
128
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:40:00 -
[573] - Quote
Courthouse wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Honestly, Mr. Courthouse, you have consistently demonstrated that you have no idea what FW players ACTUALLY want, you just complain about how Hans is jeopardizing his campaign by not tailoring his ideas to the Nullsec bloc. Which is ridiculous. He isn't a Nullsec bloc candidate, if you haven't noticed. You cry out "I'm just trying to help you Hans!" but your "help" is a) not helpful and b) unwanted. No, I followed what you guys were talking about, but let's be honest, you guys are idiots. if you guys had a working idea between the 30 of you you'd have managed to be 1) successful at rallying support well before this point 2) a working relationship with the CSM 3) jobs as developers. The point here is to increase the cooperation towards a workable goal, not let you all get carried away jerking each other off because you've got a popular candidate.
bro, i think you mad. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
456
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:59:00 -
[574] - Quote
hans needs to be in. Faction warfare has potential to be a big addition to the newbie and vet pvp experience. And well, as a former autoz member, that's really all they do so yeah. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
128
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Posted - 2012.03.03 02:09:00 -
[575] - Quote
Killstealing wrote:hans needs to be in. Faction warfare has potential to be a big addition to the newbie and vet pvp experience. And well, as a former autoz member, that's really all they do so yeah.
<3 Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Dread Red
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.03 02:40:00 -
[576] - Quote
Hans is getting my vote. I want someone who is ready from day one to speak for the greater good of all players. I'll be making sure many many highsec players vote also, and vote only for Hans Jagerblitzen! |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
296
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Posted - 2012.03.03 03:23:00 -
[577] - Quote
Courthouse wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Faction Warfare is just that - warfare. It's not about empire building, resource managment, logistics chains, or even a sense of permanency. If you read the lore, the militias are a legally *tolerated* defense group, born out of emergency need and are not the military themselves. We are essentially the xenophobic and patriotic crazies hanging out on the borderlands anxious for anything we can justify shooting without actually breaking the law. As actvitiy has dwindled over the years, we nowadays hardly even care about the law anymore.
Faction Warfare occupancy mechanics should revolve around fleet combat victories, not structure shoots. This isn't about what the null community has been asking for since Dominion, its about what the low sec community has been asking for since Empyrean Age. If null residents want occupancy to include revolve around structures, dreadnoughts, and POS shoots, GREAT!! I'm happy to support those changes as long as they apply to 0.0. Forcing null mechanics on a crowd that doesnt appreciate them is not only illogical, its dangerous in terms of customer retention. I'd hate to see another mini-Incarna rage summer because CCP didn't listen to the thousands of players enlisted in Faction Warfare. Look, you need to put 5 minutes of preparation into these tirades of yours before you launch off on a tear and tell me what's up. My warning is because I want the level-headed Hans on the CSM, not the irrational circlejerk cult of personality that you're becoming. Think about it for a moment: Ship battle victories = FW capture mechanic: Okay, GSF will go join Caldari militia and rampage through all other lowsec systems in odd hours raping anything with a signature radius and then coordinate the caldari militia to not be in lowsec for the next 20 hours, boom, caldari militia wins.
You guys won't do that. Who would tend all your carebear fields? But if you did then you would get a medal - Yay! - and you would then move on. The war would then continue.
If you stuck around long then ccp could use one of several different ways to address large imbalances in the militia forces. This could include allowing one side to bring larger ships in the smaller plexes or several other ideas.
People have thought about faction war and how it could work. Your thoughts on faction war are in their infancy. I encourage you to learn about it. Perhaps allot of you goons will realize its a great part of the game and start playing it.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
297
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Posted - 2012.03.03 03:37:00 -
[578] - Quote
Courthouse wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Honestly, Mr. Courthouse, you have consistently demonstrated that you have no idea what FW players ACTUALLY want, you just complain about how Hans is jeopardizing his campaign by not tailoring his ideas to the Nullsec bloc. Which is ridiculous. He isn't a Nullsec bloc candidate, if you haven't noticed. You cry out "I'm just trying to help you Hans!" but your "help" is a) not helpful and b) unwanted. No, I followed what you guys were talking about, but let's be honest, you guys are idiots. if you guys had a working idea between the 30 of you you'd have managed to be 1) successful at rallying support well before this point 2) a working relationship with the CSM 3) jobs as developers. The point here is to increase the cooperation towards a workable goal, not let you all get carried away jerking each other off because you've got a popular candidate.
The goal is to improve low sec and empire in general. That goal will be achievable if we elect hans. So, yes, lets work together and vote for him.
Now that you guys have had mittens in csm I'm sure you are all now happy with null sec right? I mean you keep saying he was super effective.
Null sec is definitely not of interest to me. It seems pretty boring and uneventful in null sec from what I am reading. But if you guys think he did such a great job wielding all his influence then I can only assume you are happy. Help us get someone who can help our part of the game. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Dread Red
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.03 03:52:00 -
[579] - Quote
Join me in voting for Hans Jagerblitzen, for the CSM7, Hans is the candidate that wants to make Empire space better for all players! |
Dread Red
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.03 03:57:00 -
[580] - Quote
Will Hans Jagerblitzen be on the EVE radio debate? |
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Simyaldee
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
16
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Posted - 2012.03.03 07:10:00 -
[581] - Quote
not this one think he was already on one, unfortunately the rewind feature on Eve radio only goes back so far so i was unable to listen to it, he does however have some great Interviews with VoV and news24 |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3103
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Posted - 2012.03.03 08:04:00 -
[582] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: If null residents want occupancy to include revolve around structures, dreadnoughts, and POS shoots, GREAT!!...
Pro-Tip: We don't.
CCP just keep giving them to us anyway because for some reason they think we do.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3103
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Posted - 2012.03.03 08:06:00 -
[583] - Quote
That's a warning, btw Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.03.03 08:14:00 -
[584] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: If null residents want occupancy to include revolve around structures, dreadnoughts, and POS shoots, GREAT!!... Pro-Tip: We don't.CCP just keep giving them to us anyway because for some reason they think we do.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:If null residents want occupancy to include revolve around structures, dreadnoughts, and POS shoots, GREAT!! I'm happy to support those changes as long as they apply to 0.0. Forcing null mechanics on a crowd that doesnt appreciate them is not only illogical, its dangerous in terms of customer retention. I'd hate to see another mini-Incarna rage summer because CCP didn't listen to the thousands of players enlisted in Faction Warfare.
Which I would have imagined would have largley been relieved if you had read the complete paragraph in context.
I'm happy to believe that something was lost in translation however as a result (aka missrepresenting), but it seems clear to me that Hans doesn't have aspirations to promote the mechanics you are objecting to as a result. Although he was trying to be accomodating in the process of course. |
Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.03.03 08:35:00 -
[585] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:That's a warning, btw
Considering the above, is this a mostly useless piece of health and safety advice like "mind your head" signs?
Considering that Hans is showing a "heads up" awareness to this issue I doubt he needs to borrow your special helmet on the matter as a result.
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
163
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Posted - 2012.03.03 09:03:00 -
[586] - Quote
Hans is probably one of the most level headed candidates. He's been bringing issues before CCP and the CSM before he even decided to run for CSM. He cares about the development of the game rather than just using the CSM as a means to feed his ego. He has my vote and I will be urging everyone I know in caldari FW to vote for him for CSM.
P.S. LOL@ goon trolls |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2000
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 10:59:00 -
[587] - Quote
Delici Feelgood wrote:Malcanis wrote:That's a warning, btw Considering the above, is this a mostly useless piece of health and safety advice like "mind your head" signs? Considering that Hans is showing a "heads up" awareness to this issue I doubt he needs to borrow your special helmet on the matter as a result.
I am happy to borrow Malcanis' helmet any time. He is one of the wisest voices on the forums, has transformed the way I personally look at certain game play issues, and been a major contributing influence on my campaign.
If I'm not misunderstood, he's just holding me to a high standard here and keeping me in check, both of which are appreciated.
Courthouse wrote:taking a position that the measures one takes to occupy space such that it's livable not being a part of the mechanics of transferring occupancy from one group to another is an illogical platform.
^^ This is what I was responding to, where Courthouse implies that structures occupying a system should be part of the transfer of sovereignty. I am well aware that the structure grind implemented as part of Dominion is NOT popular, and I am also familiar with the farms and fields vision for null sec iterations. I said what I said only to emphasize that it should be null sec residents who have the greatest say on future of null sec space.
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Delici Feelgood
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.03.03 11:11:00 -
[588] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Delici Feelgood wrote:Malcanis wrote:That's a warning, btw Considering the above, is this a mostly useless piece of health and safety advice like "mind your head" signs? Considering that Hans is showing a "heads up" awareness to this issue I doubt he needs to borrow your special helmet on the matter as a result. I am happy to borrow Malcanis' helmet any time. He is one of the wisest voices on the forums, has transformed the way I personally look at certain game play issues, and been a major contributing influence on my campaign. If I'm not misunderstood, he's just holding me to a high standard here and keeping me in check, both of which are appreciated.
Understood.
If I was cynical it could have been viewed due to the manipulation of what you'd said as a form of knuckle scraping intimidation as opposed to an awareness to interests.
But if you feel it is purely a sanity check then glad you can accomodate the thoughts. Understand the political savy as a result. |
Ray Mitar
Gankstas Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.03.03 13:38:00 -
[589] - Quote
If Hans Jagerblitzen can get players to cooperate in Empire space and join with them in FW I think he just might be the guy to unite players around the goal of making EVE Online BETTER for all players.
I live in null and the current CSM6 is great for the few giant alliances, but not for the little guys just starting out. I am not voting for any of the current members of CSM6 because they act like schoolyard thugs with no vision for improving the game. Additionally it seems like they want to take credit for CCP realizing they were going in the wrong direction when truth be told it was the actions of many players rioting and unsubscribing that made CCP reevaluate. If the CSM had really been effective they would have been able to convince CCP prior to the player revolt not afterwards. When the CSM finally gets CCP to listen what did they do? They get CCP to nerf everything their swamp with massive numbers tactics can't defeat. Selfish and small minded thugs squandering a great opportunity in my opinion.
More effective more rewarding FW will improve the PVP skills and coordinated combat skills of many newer players as well as older players who don't want PVP all the time, in my opinion, so I am supporting Hans Jagerblitzen.
The time has come for sensible rational leadership to speak for the majority of EVE players, the time for selfish juvenile bullies has past, vote for leadership that wants to improve the entire game, vote for Hans Jagerblitzen. |
Ray Mitar
Gankstas Inc
0
|
Posted - 2012.03.03 13:51:00 -
[590] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Jade Constantine wrote: This time around I am convinced we need far better grass roots representation of the player base and much less monotone nullsec influence on the council.
That is precisely my mission here. The militia community has been really supportive in understanding that they really are only providing the core vote base needed to compete against the 0.0 power blocs, helping me to shrug off the question about viability that has been rightfully directed at the other empire "front runner" candidates so far. It will be the wide-ranging support of pilots like yourself that believe in the inherent value of my platform that will help me the rest of the way to a top seat. I want my election to CSM7 to be a truly grassroots effort spread among capsuleers from all walks of life who believe I can do a stand-up job of representing the non-null voice on the council. Hence, why Faction Warfare discussion only comprises a small portion of my complete platform. The difference between a militia "bloc" vote and an alliance bloc vote is simple - I have no whipping power or authority to force compliance from any Faction Warfare pilot, and certainly not those that belong to enemy factions. In order to secure widespread, unanimous support from the leadership of the four militias, I've had to convince them to cooperate with my campaign based solely on the merit of my ideas and their collective faith that I will protect their voice with CCP if elected. The work ahead of me now is to demonstrate to the voting public that the experience I've gained working with the militia community will equally serve the rest of the player base throughout the coming year. A power base built on the strength of his ideas and leadership skills alone with the express goal of being inclusive of all EVE players to make the game experience better across the board ...... Vote for Hans Jagerblitzen! |
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Mikalia Sunstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
1
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Posted - 2012.03.03 14:37:00 -
[591] - Quote
Ray Mitar wrote:If Hans Jagerblitzen can get players to cooperate in Empire space and join with them in FW I think he just might be the guy to unite players around the goal of making EVE Online BETTER for all players.
I live in null and the current CSM6 is great for the few giant alliances, but not for the little guys just starting out. I am not voting for any of the current members of CSM6 because they act like schoolyard thugs with no vision for improving the game. Additionally it seems like they want to take credit for CCP realizing they were going in the wrong direction when truth be told it was the actions of many players rioting and unsubscribing that made CCP reevaluate. If the CSM had really been effective they would have been able to convince CCP prior to the player revolt not afterwards. When the CSM finally gets CCP to listen what did they do? They get CCP to nerf everything their swamp with massive numbers tactics can't defeat. Selfish and small minded thugs squandering a great opportunity in my opinion.
More effective more rewarding FW will improve the PVP skills and coordinated combat skills of many newer players as well as older players who don't want PVP all the time, in my opinion, so I am supporting Hans Jagerblitzen.
The time has come for sensible rational leadership to speak for the majority of EVE players, the time for selfish juvenile bullies has past, vote for leadership that wants to improve the entire game, vote for Hans Jagerblitzen.
I'd disagree with that assessment regarding TwoStep, Darius III, and maybe Trebor--my respect for Treb has see-sawed a bit over this last term--but overall:
This...Oh my freakin' God, THIS!
+1 Internets for you, Sir.
Hans for CSM7 Chairman!
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Silath Slyver Silverpine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.03 16:49:00 -
[592] - Quote
*Edit* Ray Mitar kinda beat me to it
Reading through a few of the "I support this posts" I've noticed that a lot of them are because Hans supports improved FW (Captain Obvious here) But also, more importantly I feel, because people see him as someone that will be good for EVE as a whole.
The majority of the other candidates are basing their power on promising the people who want candy more candy... and damned be everything else! Which is terrible, as it discredits the CSM in the eyes of CCP and does nothing to improve EVE as a game, for the playerbase as a whole. Personally I've never taken part in faction warfare, or PVP of any sort really. But I think the ideas that Hans has will improve the game overall. Even if there was a candidate that wanted to boost mission running (Which is, IMO, the opposite of what needs to happen) I wouldn't vote for them. Would that candidate make me richer? Maybe. But they wouldn't be fixing any problems with EVE.
As an aside: Even though the nullsec powerblock candidates are often looked down on, I think they've actually done a decent job of furthering EVE as a whole, rather than just catering to nullsec. Frankly though I think fixing problems with lowsec would alleviate some of the issues with nullsec.
tl;dr- Hans is a person who I feel will improve EVE as a whole, rather than some who will push his specific issues at the cost of everything else. |
JiZzLoObber
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
3
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Posted - 2012.03.03 18:49:00 -
[593] - Quote
HANS!!!!
I had the pleasure of flying in a combat Fleet with Hans Jagerblitzen last night in Heyd, *** EPIC DRED POONAGE!!!!! ***
TRUELY a voice for lo-sec peeps, he climbed into the FW trenches with us, provided outstanding logi support, and helped win the day!
I appreciate political Leaders that KNOW the game they play, KNOW the stuggles and strife encountered in lo-sec, and aint afraid to get a little close to yours truely in the heat of glorious Battle
Hans, thanks for coming out with us last night m8
VOTE FOR HANS!!!!!
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Simyaldee
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
16
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Posted - 2012.03.03 19:02:00 -
[594] - Quote
JiZzLoObber wrote:HANS!!!! I had the pleasure of flying in a combat Fleet with Hans Jagerblitzen last night in Heyd, *** EPIC DRED POONAGE!!!!! *** TRUELY a voice for lo-sec peeps, he climbed into the FW trenches with us, provided outstanding logi support, and helped win the day! I appreciate political Leaders that KNOW the game they play, KNOW the stuggles and strife encountered in lo-sec, and aint afraid to get a little close to yours truely in the heat of glorious Battle Hans, thanks for coming out with us last night m8 VOTE FOR HANS!!!!!
I wasn't in that fleet, but i helped/whored on the Dreads |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2008
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Posted - 2012.03.03 19:23:00 -
[595] - Quote
Simyaldee wrote:I wasn't in that fleet, but i helped/whored on the Dreads
So we had three militias involved than, a fine display of cross-faction cooperation. I'm glad you got a chance to join in the glory!
I had a blast fighting the Shadow Cartel, I'll head over there again soon so the brave pilots who lost their capitals will have the opportunity for revenge. Keep an eye out for me! |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
164
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Posted - 2012.03.03 20:16:00 -
[596] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Simyaldee wrote:I wasn't in that fleet, but i helped/whored on the Dreads So we had three militias involved than, a fine display of cross-faction cooperation. I'm glad you got a chance to join in the glory! I had a blast fighting the Shadow Cartel, I'll head over there again soon so the brave pilots who lost their capitals will have the opportunity for revenge. Keep an eye out for me!
How did you guys lose that archon btw? I had just logged on when people were linking battle report so no idea what happened. It seemed like shadow cartel got blobbed a little bit. |
JiZzLoObber
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
3
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Posted - 2012.03.03 22:42:00 -
[597] - Quote
Yeah, dont know how we lost the carrier, we may have been too busy blowing up the 3 or 4 Dreds and thier Archon..... but I do remember someone saying that..... Needless to say, with the loot and salvage from the Dreds, our carrier pilot that got popped actually made a profit from the loss, lol
btw, thanks for all the shinys Shadow Cartel !
Yeah Hans, you can fight and/or Logi for us ANYTIME, that was awesome, we were glad to have you with us |
WhiteGhostBear
The New Lunar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.03.04 02:05:00 -
[598] - Quote
Bump for the candidate who will be getting my votes this time around. His focus on FW will be good for Eve as a whole; a better FW means a better home for pilots that want 24/7 pew pew but don't want the nullsec drama and alarm clock ops. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
32
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Posted - 2012.03.04 08:12:00 -
[599] - Quote
WhiteGhostBear wrote:Bump for the candidate who will be getting my votes this time around. His focus on FW will be good for Eve as a whole; a better FW means a better home for pilots that want 24/7 pew pew but don't want the nullsec drama and alarm clock ops. Goddess I should hope not.
FW is Eve, it is unique in that it has elements of all other areas in roughly equal measures; EHP grinds, small and large gang warfare, small and large ships, aggression/standings mechanics etc.
What Hans represents, and the reason why I (and many others I suspect) support him, is that he brings working knowledge of the whole she-bang to the table, that he due to his limited years knows that he does not know everything and has the wisdom to recognize that - complete with willingness to defer to those who do .. in short he has not yet been afflicted by that dreaded BitterVet SyndromeGäó.
A focus on FW would be a colossal mistake as it is made up of mechanics from everywhere/everything and thus stand to gain far more from a wider overhaul of mechanics in general. The "only" truly FW specific change required is the carrot/stick for occupancy, rest ties into Eve at large. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3105
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Posted - 2012.03.04 10:35:00 -
[600] - Quote
Delici Feelgood wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Delici Feelgood wrote:Malcanis wrote:That's a warning, btw Considering the above, is this a mostly useless piece of health and safety advice like "mind your head" signs? Considering that Hans is showing a "heads up" awareness to this issue I doubt he needs to borrow your special helmet on the matter as a result. I am happy to borrow Malcanis' helmet any time. He is one of the wisest voices on the forums, has transformed the way I personally look at certain game play issues, and been a major contributing influence on my campaign. If I'm not misunderstood, he's just holding me to a high standard here and keeping me in check, both of which are appreciated. Understood. If I was cynical it could have been viewed due to the manipulation of what you'd said as a form of knuckle scraping intimidation as opposed to an awareness to interests. But if you feel it is purely a sanity check then glad you can accomodate the thoughts. Understand the political savy as a result.
It was a warning for Hans, not a warning to him. The last time 0.0 sov was reworked, there was no consensus at all amongst 0.0 sov pilots that what we wanted was even more structure grinding. We specificaly said "Dear sweet baby jesus, please do not couple sov 0.0 to structure grinding".
What we got was Dominion.
That's my warning. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Jitacaldari
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.04 22:12:00 -
[601] - Quote
Finally a candidate that is not speaking "down" to players who don't do what he enjoys.
I have not got into FW yet but a good advocate like this Hans makes me want to jump in now. I want to try some of all the things EVE has to offer so i will not vote for some ego bloated bitter vet who gets off on insulting people ..... you know who you are.
I am not a high schooler so i do not need some rah rah gang of juveniles surounding me just to undock which seems to be the fashion in the null power blocs.
I am going to vote for Hans Jagerblitzen because he wants to improve the game for most everybody, a lofty goal but better to aim high and land in the middle versus aiming low and landing on your butt like the current CSM6.
I'm tired of the whiny nullsec brats being on display as the typical EVE player, so i'm voting for a rational adult, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
Vaurion Infara
Beyond Divinity Inc Excuses.
18
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Posted - 2012.03.05 04:34:00 -
[602] - Quote
Hans, you like Jack Dent's awesome idea (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=42987&find=unread), therefore, I like you. Four votes for you, my good man.
MickeyFinn > Fyi Vaurion Infara is a bad apple in a bunch of good ones. Dont let his big mouth and moods bring you down! If anyone lives near him RL get him LAID! would help him a ton. Fly safe and gods speed. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
163
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Posted - 2012.03.05 07:17:00 -
[603] - Quote
While individual votes are great, may I recommend that Corp CEOs actually eblast their corps to consider voting for Hans Or at least vote for someone rather than no one. Apathy is the killer in this game. Rock the vote If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread |
Sui'Djin
Black Rise Guerilla Forces
1
|
Posted - 2012.03.05 07:58:00 -
[604] - Quote
Super Chair wrote:Hans is probably one of the most level headed candidates. He's been bringing issues before CCP and the CSM before he even decided to run for CSM. He cares about the development of the game rather than just using the CSM as a means to feed his ego. He has my vote and I will be urging everyone I know in caldari FW to vote for him for CSM.
P.S. LOL@ goon trolls
I am supporting this |
Sui'Djin
Black Rise Guerilla Forces
1
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Posted - 2012.03.05 08:17:00 -
[605] - Quote
Deen Wispa wrote:While individual votes are great, may I recommend that Corp CEOs actually eblast their corps to consider voting for Hans Or at least vote for someone rather than no one. Apathy is the killer in this game. Rock the vote
This is exactly what BRGF intend to do. And myself will become a 'local spammer' for once |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2014
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Posted - 2012.03.05 11:51:00 -
[606] - Quote
Sui'Djin wrote:This is exactly what BRGF intend to do. And myself will become a 'local spammer' for once
I haven't gotten to all of you yet individually, those that I haven't contacted yet that are willing to eblast their corps with a mail or two, I have a mailing list set up for this purpose. That way I can send a personalized message to all the voters, I just need one rep per corp or alliance who is willing to forward this along for me when the time comes.
Send me and EvEmail if you're not already on the list and I'll give you permission and instructions on how to join!
Missed an interview or debate?
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words!-á |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2014
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Posted - 2012.03.05 11:53:00 -
[607] - Quote
Also, many thanks to Kenpachi Viktor for the thought-provoking inquiry! I have released a new blog entry discussing my feelings about role play in EVE, I hope you all find it enjoyable.
Q & A: Stories and Standings.
Missed an interview or debate?
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words!-á |
Qin Shi Huang
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.03.05 14:35:00 -
[608] - Quote
A couple of quick questions. Do you agree 1) that the NEX store should be looted and burned to the ground? 2) that all Tech 2 BPO's should be converted to BPC's? 3) that we need a web interface to access core functionality like skill training and Market? 4) that system security status should be dynamic based on system activity? |
Benny Ohu
The Lazy Dragoons True Apathy
1
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Posted - 2012.03.06 00:24:00 -
[609] - Quote
Qin Shi Huang wrote:A couple of quick questions. Do you agree 1) that the NEX store should be looted and burned to the ground? 2) that all Tech 2 BPO's should be converted to BPC's? 3) that we need a web interface to access core functionality like skill training and Market? 4) that system security status should be dynamic based on system activity?
I'm not Hans, obviously, but there's a couple of problems here.
A web interface for the skill queue would be cool, but not the market. You already have so many people 0.01 ISK'n that I don't think we want more using their work computers to do it all day long. Also a web interface sounds easy to make a bot for?
Basing system sec status on activity would be a terrible idea! Major corridors would all become 1.0 sec and it would be almost impossible to suicide gank anything but a cruiser. Suicide ganking is part of EVE. Instead of this plan, give players better options to police themselves. |
Hanoch Wheel
Free Wheeling Industries
24
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Posted - 2012.03.06 01:13:00 -
[610] - Quote
After looking around quite a bit, doing research and listening to the debates, I've decided Hans is the best candidate to represent me, an industrial merchant/missioner in highsec. In spite his Lowsec FW focus.
I am struck by the seriousness he in which he addresses his tasks, while not losing his sense of humor. He has opinions but keeps an open mind. Has pulled together the FW community.
Identified by several of the existing CSM members as essentially the hardest working member of CSM6 that wasn't actually a member of CSM6. By working on gathering ideas by the whole of Faction War and not just his own Faction, pulling them together, presenting them cogently, and championing them with fervor.
I look forward to you championing making EVE a better place and breaking down some of the barriers between high/low/and null sec. From what I can tell your work so far seems to have been critical for what looks like a promising upcoming expansion. I want to see what you can do when you aren't working from the outside.
Vote Hans Shot First. |
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
135
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Posted - 2012.03.06 01:29:00 -
[611] - Quote
Hanoch Wheel wrote:After looking around quite a bit, doing research and listening to the debates, I've decided Hans is the best candidate to represent me, an industrial merchant/missioner in highsec. In spite his Lowsec FW focus.
I am struck by the seriousness he in which he addresses his tasks, while not losing his sense of humor. He has opinions but keeps an open mind. Has pulled together the FW community.
Identified by several of the existing CSM members as essentially the hardest working member of CSM6 that wasn't actually a member of CSM6. By working on gathering ideas by the whole of Faction War and not just his own Faction, pulling them together, presenting them cogently, and championing them with fervor.
Managing to be both a proven performer and a breath of fresh air.
I look forward to you championing making EVE a better place and breaking down some of the barriers between high/low/and null sec. From what I can tell your work so far seems to have been critical for what looks like a promising upcoming expansion. I want to see what you can do when you aren't working from the outside.
Vote Hans Shot First.
Well said. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Temba Ronin
140
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Posted - 2012.03.06 06:52:00 -
[612] - Quote
This is a request to be included in your mailing list. I want fresh info to distribute in my highsec NPC chat. It is important that all of Empire Space stands up and votes in this election, we need a Chairman that wants to improve the game for all the players.
VOTE Hans Jagerblitzen, CSM7 Power To The Players! |
Qin Shi Huang
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.03.06 08:10:00 -
[613] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:Qin Shi Huang wrote:A couple of quick questions. Do you agree 1) that the NEX store should be looted and burned to the ground? 2) that all Tech 2 BPO's should be converted to BPC's? 3) that we need a web interface to access core functionality like skill training and Market? 4) that system security status should be dynamic based on system activity? I'm not Hans, obviously, but there's a couple of problems here. A web interface for the skill queue would be cool, but not the market. You already have so many people 0.01 ISK'n that I don't think we want more using their work computers to do it all day long. Also a web interface sounds easy to make a bot for? Basing system sec status on activity would be a terrible idea! Major corridors would all become 1.0 sec and it would be almost impossible to suicide gank anything but a cruiser. Suicide ganking is part of EVE. Instead of this plan, give players better options to police themselves.
+1 for self-awareness
I was afraid that I wouldn't get away with a one-liner in 4), but I couldn't locate the thread with the suggestion (there are multiple, but only one nails it IMHO). The expected behaviour would be the opposite - systems with a lot of ganks where Concord can't police proberbly will drop like a rock. Once it becomes low-sec, it will start to rise again (not sure how mechanics should be). In mission hubs, the sec status would rise fast and become less profitable for mission runners, so they have to go and find a new system. There should be some exceptions (e.g. Jita) and safe lanes between hubs (not between regions). Also, why don't NPC corps like Mordus and SOE have a safe lane through 0.0 - how do they survive out there surrounded by bandits? /brain-fart |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
136
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Posted - 2012.03.06 09:18:00 -
[614] - Quote
Qin Shi Huang wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Qin Shi Huang wrote:A couple of quick questions. Do you agree 1) that the NEX store should be looted and burned to the ground? 2) that all Tech 2 BPO's should be converted to BPC's? 3) that we need a web interface to access core functionality like skill training and Market? 4) that system security status should be dynamic based on system activity? I'm not Hans, obviously, but there's a couple of problems here. A web interface for the skill queue would be cool, but not the market. You already have so many people 0.01 ISK'n that I don't think we want more using their work computers to do it all day long. Also a web interface sounds easy to make a bot for? Basing system sec status on activity would be a terrible idea! Major corridors would all become 1.0 sec and it would be almost impossible to suicide gank anything but a cruiser. Suicide ganking is part of EVE. Instead of this plan, give players better options to police themselves. +1 for self-awareness I was afraid that I wouldn't get away with a one-liner in 4), but I couldn't locate the thread with the suggestion (there are multiple, but only one nails it IMHO). The expected behaviour would be the opposite - systems with a lot of ganks where Concord can't police proberbly will drop like a rock. Once it becomes low-sec, it will start to rise again (not sure how mechanics should be). In mission hubs, the sec status would rise fast and become less profitable for mission runners, so they have to go and find a new system. There should be some exceptions (e.g. Jita) and safe lanes between hubs (not between regions). Also, why don't NPC corps like Mordus and SOE have a safe lane through 0.0 - how do they survive out there surrounded by bandits? /brain-fart
I'm not sure if High-Sec should be able to switch to Low-Sec (and vice versa) but it might be interesting if the sec status within High-Sec and Low-Sec was variable based on activities (criminal vs. ??? ratting maybe? missioning?) Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Karl Hobb
0
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Posted - 2012.03.06 18:24:00 -
[615] - Quote
Hans, I listened to that 1v1 with you and Kelduum, have to say I find you articulate (if a bit wordy) and you seem to know enough of your **** to make an informed decision. You are also a complete dork.
<- this poor guy has two accounts, so you get two votes. I would have voted for Mittens, but he'll be chairman anyway and besides, any election should see fresh meat in the mix.
:Pacific Northwest: I'm ******* terrible at EVE. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2022
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:30:00 -
[616] - Quote
Karl Hobb wrote:You are also a complete dork.
You have no idea. Elect me, and everyone can find out!
ALERT ALERT ALERT!!
As I'm typing this, I just saw something *AMAZING* I literally just saw a box that says "draft saved" and its popping up every couple of sentences here!!
Am seeing a stealth forum post-eating fix here finally???
This is awesome, but why now CCP, are you trying to take platform issues away from me here???
Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2022
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Posted - 2012.03.06 20:56:00 -
[617] - Quote
Qin Shi Huang wrote:
A couple of quick questions. Do you agree
1) that the NEX store should be looted and burned to the ground? 2) that all Tech 2 BPO's should be converted to BPC's? 3) that we need a web interface to access core functionality like skill training and Market? 4) that system security status should be dynamic based on system activity?
1.) I think the NEX store in its current form is tacky and doesn't fit well with the EVE universe. Its offerings are limited, expensive, and AURUM is used so minimally in EVE it breaks immersion and I would LOVE to see it vanish. All items such as clothes and ship skins should achievable using LP instead. That's what I believe. Is this likely to happen? Probably not if they have a bunch more clothes that are yet unreleased. The clothes (and tattoos) should still be released of course, as long as they're more or less finished and it if takes minimal resources to deploy them. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Rei Seiji
Production N Destruction INC. The Last Chancers.
16
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Posted - 2012.03.06 21:37:00 -
[618] - Quote
Just a few more hours till I get the chance to cast my first ever vote... Hope to see you in Iceland, Hans
I'll be disappointed, however, if you didn't show up in a military jacket and with a very stern face. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2026
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Posted - 2012.03.06 22:51:00 -
[619] - Quote
Rei Seiji wrote: I'll be disappointed, however, if you didn't show up in a military jacket
Shhhhh!! It was supposed to be a surprise
Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:23:00 -
[620] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:This is awesome, but why now CCP, are you trying to take platform issues away from me here???
Spin it! Your ideas are so great and so essential that CCP isn't even waiting for you to get elected to use them
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2027
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:27:00 -
[621] - Quote
Snow Axe wrote:Your ideas are so great and so essential that CCP isn't even waiting for you to get elected to use them
QFT
Wait what, did I just QFT a Goon? What has this race come to? Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Galatica789
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.06 23:50:00 -
[622] - Quote
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129, Hans, your thoughts on this? |
Indius Lux
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.07 00:57:00 -
[623] - Quote
Voted! Hans +1
PS: Gala, your thoughts on this: http://www.ilovegoats.com/ |
Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
169
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Posted - 2012.03.07 01:53:00 -
[624] - Quote
Vote for hans! I did, you should too! |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
136
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Posted - 2012.03.07 02:33:00 -
[625] - Quote
Voted! Resubbing alt accounts for more voting umph, as well. GO HANS! Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2029
|
Posted - 2012.03.07 03:00:00 -
[626] - Quote
Galatica789 wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129, Hans, your thoughts on this?
Total fail communication on CCP's part. Timing borders on trolling the CSM candidates who should have had some time to talk about this stuff - its like crazy important. And trolling the existing CSM who should have known about it prior to release. Thats all I have to say for now, it'll take some for me to write a bit more about the specifics. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4
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Posted - 2012.03.07 03:18:00 -
[627] - Quote
Thank Trebor for convincing me to give you all 3 of my votes.
Good luck. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2012.03.07 06:27:00 -
[628] - Quote
2 of mine too. GO Hans! |
Jitacaldari
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.07 07:10:00 -
[629] - Quote
I just Voted for Hans and i feel great! You should Vote for Hans Jagerblitzen, then you'll feel better about yourself also! |
Joyitii
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.03.07 07:33:00 -
[630] - Quote
Voting time already? Best of luck to you Hans! |
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Fierceshot
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2012.03.07 07:46:00 -
[631] - Quote
Jitacaldari wrote:I just Voted for Hans and i feel great! You should Vote for Hans Jagerblitzen, then you'll feel better about yourself also!
I just gave 2 votes to Hans and i feel AMAZING!!
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Clyde ElectraGlide
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.03.07 08:04:00 -
[632] - Quote
I'm voting for Mittens, but I also wish you well with getting a seat. Fix incursions today! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60460 |
Stalking Mantis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
135
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Posted - 2012.03.07 08:25:00 -
[633] - Quote
To be Honest Hans. Although I did not read a 'specific' thing you wanted to do for FW in your agenda. I am well aware of your contribution to the FW discussions and I know you have been planning for this for some time.
In that regards I am changing my vote from Mittens to you. It would be good to see someone from FW and our side of the game on the CSM to push 'our' Agenda through. You have three votes please do not disappoint as this goes beyond just you being on the CSM but this is the first time I think someone with a strict FW background is running. Do the FW community proud. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
3
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Posted - 2012.03.07 09:16:00 -
[634] - Quote
Jitacaldari wrote:I just Voted for Hans and i feel great! You should Vote for Hans Jagerblitzen, then you'll feel better about yourself also!
Confirmed. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Silence iKillYouu
The Innocent Criminals Late Night Alliance
140
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Posted - 2012.03.07 09:17:00 -
[635] - Quote
Late night alliance http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
Pelador Rova
Paladin Philanthropists
55
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Posted - 2012.03.07 09:25:00 -
[636] - Quote
Added more Votes for Hans from the corporation and other associates.
(Current specific areas of interest include intelligence/recon roles, exploration, research and industry.)
Assuming success in being voted to the CSM, please feel free to contact myself regarding any collaborative work of interest that will help to support the campaign interests for the benefit of EvE players under your co-ordination. In this sense further support is offered in addition to the ballot box, if wanted, to assist in your campaign ambitions. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3123
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Posted - 2012.03.07 10:37:00 -
[637] - Quote
+1 vote from me (well, my alt), best of luck Hans Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1359
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Posted - 2012.03.07 10:44:00 -
[638] - Quote
+1 here.. i forgot to vote with an alt.. so it would be +2. |
Qin Shi Huang
Citadel Enterprise
27
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Posted - 2012.03.07 11:08:00 -
[639] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Qin Shi Huang wrote:
A couple of quick questions. Do you agree
1) that the NEX store should be looted and burned to the ground? 2) that all Tech 2 BPO's should be converted to BPC's? 3) that we need a web interface to access core functionality like skill training and Market? 4) that system security status should be dynamic based on system activity?
1.) I think the NEX store in its current form is tacky and doesn't fit well with the EVE universe. Its offerings are limited, expensive, and AURUM is used so minimally in EVE it breaks immersion and i would LOVE to see it vanish. All items such as clothes and ship skins should achievable using LP instead. That's what I believe. Is this likely to happen? Probably not if they have a bunch more clothes that are yet unreleased. The clothes (and tattoos) should still be released of course, as long as they're more or less finished and it if takes minimal resources to deploy them. 2.) Yes. Plain and simple. Limited prize ships aside, economic resources of an unlimited nature like this that are not available to a player that begins the game today, should not be held by players that got their accounts in the past. Players will never have the same skill points, but they should have access to the same in-game tools regarding wealth generation. I believe in a level playing field for new and old players alike. 3.) Yes to skill training. EVE is not about skill training. EVE is also not about emails. Stuff like that is GREAT to have on the web, we need more of it, SOON. You what drives me nuts? Why the HELL can we use EVE voice on a channel in EvEgate, but I can't access the simple text version? If you want to get more players online, more often - allow them to open intel text chats and call for a capital drop on each other's smartphones. I'm not kidding here. Play EVE responsibly and all, but lets be honest. Having a text-chat interface available through EVEgate is going to get a lot more people onto the server when something exciting happens. Market stuff on the web raises the issue of economic PvP being as intricate as Combat PvP, and allowing half of EvE players an advantage away from home that combat EvE pilots might not enjoy. I'm not an economist, but there may be a lot of ramifications for this (not to mention the technical feat and security issues involved) that this is something I'd be extremely cautious about rushing into, and dedicating resources if its too large scale of a project. *Note: There is a rumor of an EveGate iphone app being revealed at Fanfest, I'm exciting to hear reports from those of you that are going. If CCP doesn't show it off, ASK THEM WHY!! Stamp your feet, demand this kind of interactivity. It just makes sense.4.) This is another crazy complicated question. I'm totally in favor of more gradual security differences between 1.0 and .1 space, I hate that there's this arbitrary dividing line. I'd like to see more tactically aware pilots watching their backs as they travel instead of living in one side of the fence or the other. But as for allowing players to actually shift where the rules apply - its an incredibly huge balancing issue I'd have to listen to a through examination of a proposed change before I could say.
Thanks for taking the time to respond. I actually agree on the market access.
Good enough for me +2
CSM voting starts March 7th. Please communicate to new capsuleers and non-forum dwellers. We need more numbers to get at least one non-alliance blob seat at the table. |
Andrea Roche
State War Academy Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2012.03.07 11:09:00 -
[640] - Quote
my 2 votes have been casted. Good luck Hans |
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Silath Slyver Silverpine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.07 11:11:00 -
[641] - Quote
Voted for ya Hans. Best of luck! |
Sui'Djin
Black Rise Guerilla Forces
1
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Posted - 2012.03.07 11:23:00 -
[642] - Quote
Go Hans! You got both of my votes, and I also feel great |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1400
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Posted - 2012.03.07 11:26:00 -
[643] - Quote
x4 votes from me. Good luck and lets hope the support you get is massive and influential at the next csm.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Bengal Bob
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
23
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Posted - 2012.03.07 11:33:00 -
[644] - Quote
x2 votes from me. Go get them Hans!! |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
4
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:08:00 -
[645] - Quote
another vote casted for Hans |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
32
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:27:00 -
[646] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Total fail communication on CCP's part. Timing borders on trolling the CSM candidates who should have had some time to talk about this stuff - its like crazy important. And trolling the existing CSM who should have known about it prior to release. Thats all I have to say for now, it'll take some for me to write a bit more about the specifics. Just got through it all and there is nothing "new" per se, all that blog is really saying is that they are streamlining the requirements for the various classes and getting ready to implement the very much debated Tiericide. Since it is "merely" a statement of intent, you (with your CSM seat) will be on the frontline when the actual work on the changes start being discussed .. just another example of CCP blunt force approach to communication, get used to it
Stalking Mantis wrote:To be Honest Hans. Although I did not read a 'specific' thing you wanted to do for FW in your agenda. I am well aware of your contribution to the FW discussions and I know you have been planning for this for some time... Doubt many of us are voting for Hans to have a "FW guy" on the council, it is more to have a person who realises that there is more to Eve than grinding EHP and floating around in 500+ fleets ad nauseum. Will be good to have a person who can question the half-assed ideas to our neck of the woods that CCP/null-CSM seem to favour.
Now where is DA BUTTON!
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Rykuss
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:42:00 -
[647] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:I would say with out a doubt this is the candidate for folks that are focused on Faction Warfare. I still think we need a mining candidate and I will remain focused on getting one with a mining focus in the CSM 7 as well.
Good luck Hans! You will do well in the CSM 7. Hope you'll be working along side someone from my party as well!
Issler
As a lolminer, I disagree here. That's why all of my votes went to Hans this election. As someone that has followed his proposals and ideas, I'm just glad he decided to run.
Can I have your vindicator? |
Sexy Cakes
Poasting
6
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Posted - 2012.03.07 13:50:00 -
[648] - Quote
+2 for Hans |
Heredom
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
1
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Posted - 2012.03.07 14:05:00 -
[649] - Quote
Voted, +5 Done, signature edited with perfection!... |
Maureen 'Molls' Maguire
The Paratwa Ka
0
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:26:00 -
[650] - Quote
If the Goons' lack of popularity had not, ironically, made them so popular, I'd have run to VFK & demanded admission until I ran out of clones or they succumbed to my frigate spam. VFK is a sweet song to my reckless nature. But following a crowd is something I can never do. I have much respect & admiration for Mittens, I delightfully follow his exploits. My latest Rifter was lost to a Goonswarm Huginn & Drake, and I'm tickled pink about that. The Goons have never forgotten how to have fun. They also have impeccable taste in fine literature.
The Mittani is a rare breed, I read his platform w/ relish. If he needed my votes, I'd have split them between you both; I wish equally for both of you to be on the council, and I wish both of you equal representation (w/in the top 7). He does not need my votes. He is a sure thing.
Good sir, my votes will do what they can to get you in the top 7 right next to him. I will hound my brothers to ensure they can say the same, even if they must slur it after I have pulled several of their teeth to force the less willing to comply. They're podded frequently enough, their next clone shall have fresh teeth.
Then I can wash my hands of this. Meh, I hate polly tiks. Best of luck, sir! |
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MisterNick
The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance
47
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:50:00 -
[651] - Quote
Supported. Let's have bounty hunting as at the very least an amusing passtime rather than the joke it currently is "Fools! I'll show them all!"
What do you mean that one's already taken? |
Zodiac TheMarketRat
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:34:00 -
[652] - Quote
Hans gets my votes. Nothing against the nullsec representatives in particular, but we really do need at least one sitting CSM rep who isn't part of a massive nullsec alliance. |
Vaurion Infara
Beyond Divinity Inc Excuses.
18
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:25:00 -
[653] - Quote
+3 for a solid low-seccin' bro.
MickeyFinn > Fyi Vaurion Infara is a bad apple in a bunch of good ones. Dont let his big mouth and moods bring you down! If anyone lives near him RL get him LAID! would help him a ton. Fly safe and gods speed. |
Sasha Deren
Oxide Interstellar Associates
0
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Posted - 2012.03.07 18:34:00 -
[654] - Quote
As promised previously in this thread, my vote for CSM7 has gone to you Hans. I really think you have enlivened and enriched the debate about Eve's furture as an interconnected whole. Good luck! |
Mister Kwong
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:02:00 -
[655] - Quote
Call me crazy but I think Hans can get the top votes. 7500 Goons plus other nullsec residents vs 7K FW members and throw in lowsec and hisec corps, then you may have an upset :) |
Bartholemu Fu-Baz
The Scope Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:11:00 -
[656] - Quote
Maureen 'Molls' Maguire wrote: The Mittani is a rare breed, I read his platform w/ relish.
Goes down better with horseradish sauce.
I too have joined the Hansnation! Go get'em. And hope to fight one day at your side. For freedom!
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Mister Kwong
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:36:00 -
[657] - Quote
And btw, just a post that shows that CSM6 doesn't have as good of a rapport with CCP as you think it does. I guess Mittens isn't as chummy with CCP as he would like many of you to believe; http://scaurus.com/?p=673 |
Galatica789
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.07 19:47:00 -
[658] - Quote
Plus 4 Votes from me ,my alt, Major Baller and his alt |
Parrette Perot
Eight Drake Limited
1
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Posted - 2012.03.07 21:12:00 -
[659] - Quote
Newbie (but played in the original beta) and alts voting for Hans.
I would like to point out: If you want Hans in, you actually don't want to trumpet any numbers so that: a) hans supporters keep voting and dont abstain from complaceny and b) other candidates don't get scared and start trying to marshall even more of their blocs to vote.
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Azelor Delaria
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2012.03.07 21:52:00 -
[660] - Quote
I ended up voting on two accounts for Hans and one for Darius. I voted for Darius because his posts on the forums always make me smirk. |
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Benilopax
The Ashen Lion Syndicate
224
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Posted - 2012.03.07 22:04:00 -
[661] - Quote
+2 votes as promised.
This guy has really shown what a great CSM member can be. |
knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
50
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Posted - 2012.03.07 22:12:00 -
[662] - Quote
Azelor Delaria wrote:I ended up voting on two accounts for Hans and one for Darius. I voted for Darius because his posts on the forums always make me smirk.
I hear many people voted Bush for the same reasons then it dawned on them how silly it was. |
I Legionnaire
The Foreign Legion Test Alliance Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2012.03.07 22:20:00 -
[663] - Quote
+2 votes |
Andrea Griffin
175
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:03:00 -
[664] - Quote
For me, this was a difficult decision. In the end I felt that Hans best represented my interests and the interests of my peers. I have in the past supported Seleene and Trebor - both are very good candidates - but Hans is the one pushing the hardest for low-sec revival and faction warfare, both of which affect my play the most.
So he gets my votes, even if he is slave scum... : > CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
257
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:17:00 -
[665] - Quote
Voted, +2.
Hans for CSM7 Chair! In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
257
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:21:00 -
[666] - Quote
Mikalia Sunstorm wrote:Ray Mitar wrote:If Hans Jagerblitzen can get players to cooperate in Empire space and join with them in FW I think he just might be the guy to unite players around the goal of making EVE Online BETTER for all players.
I live in null and the current CSM6 is great for the few giant alliances, but not for the little guys just starting out. I am not voting for any of the current members of CSM6 because they act like schoolyard thugs with no vision for improving the game. Additionally it seems like they want to take credit for CCP realizing they were going in the wrong direction when truth be told it was the actions of many players rioting and unsubscribing that made CCP reevaluate. If the CSM had really been effective they would have been able to convince CCP prior to the player revolt not afterwards. When the CSM finally gets CCP to listen what did they do? They get CCP to nerf everything their swamp with massive numbers tactics can't defeat. Selfish and small minded thugs squandering a great opportunity in my opinion.
More effective more rewarding FW will improve the PVP skills and coordinated combat skills of many newer players as well as older players who don't want PVP all the time, in my opinion, so I am supporting Hans Jagerblitzen.
The time has come for sensible rational leadership to speak for the majority of EVE players, the time for selfish juvenile bullies has past, vote for leadership that wants to improve the entire game, vote for Hans Jagerblitzen. I'd disagree with that assessment regarding TwoStep, Darius III, and maybe Trebor--my respect for Treb has see-sawed a bit over this last term--but overall: This...Oh my freakin' God, THIS! +1 Internets for you, Sir. Hans for CSM7 Chairman!
Trebor's recent EVE-Mail spam-campaign...
Treb, this is beneath you
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
257
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Posted - 2012.03.08 01:28:00 -
[667] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Galatica789 wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129, Hans, your thoughts on this? [...] And trolling the existing CSM who should have known about it prior to release. Thats all I have to say for now, it'll take some for me to write a bit more about the specifics.
In all fairness, maybe they did, but it was/is still NDA'ed?
In irae, veritas. |
Vaurion Infara
Beyond Divinity Inc Excuses.
20
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Posted - 2012.03.08 04:22:00 -
[668] - Quote
*Vaurion Infara secretly crafts theory that Trebor is working for Hans by hyping him in a 'voter's guide' then shooting himself in the foot with mass spam evemails.
MickeyFinn > Fyi Vaurion Infara is a bad apple in a bunch of good ones. Dont let his big mouth and moods bring you down! If anyone lives near him RL get him LAID! would help him a ton. Fly safe and gods speed. |
Marlakh
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
77
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Posted - 2012.03.08 05:11:00 -
[669] - Quote
+2 votes for a well thought-out campaign and a solid platform. Good luck! |
asidburn Enaka
Alpha Arms and Manufacturing BROTHERHOOD OF DESTRUCTION
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 08:09:00 -
[670] - Quote
i just want to let everyone know about this scammer claming to be giving plex for votes dont be caught falling for this scam vote aganist darius III member of interstellar eXodus {IE-EX} they are scaming people pass the word on to everyone you can and vote aganist these undeserving jerks here is a copy of the chat log as proof of there unworthy actions!!!!!!!!
asidburn Enaka > what do i need to do Darius III > http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=480 go there Darius III > vote for me then paste the message you got after vote cast into this chat asidburn Enaka > your vote has been registered. We thank you for your participation. Darius III > Thanks man Darius III > that concludes our business Darius III > Fly safe asidburn Enaka > and what about the contract asidburn Enaka > i will have my alliance vote aganist you about 250 people asidburn Enaka > and then where will you be asidburn Enaka > send me the contract and i will have them vote for you asidburn Enaka > this is what we call a test of charecture Darius III > Have them vote against me Darius III > Sorry for the ssam Darius III > But I wouldnt sleep at night if I didnt do everything in my power to make syure that Goons dont ruin this CSM asidburn Enaka > your an idiot all your going to do is send more votes to the goons Darius III > not really Darius III > Goons will win chairman nbo matetr what, doesnt matter Darius III > nothing can stop them Darius III > and thats a real shame asidburn Enaka > well you just lost 243 votes asidburn Enaka > got 1 lost 243 Darius III > Didnt have them anyway Darius III > didnt lose anything Darius III > Just please dont make forum post about me, it would ruin my campaign asidburn Enaka > not to mentone att the isk spam bans you r about to get asidburn Enaka > too late asidburn Enaka > and i just copyed this conv asidburn Enaka > so i can post Darius III > You wouldnt dare do it Darius III > You too lazy anyway Darius III > I dont have a thing to worry about asidburn Enaka > haha i play eve 8 hrs a day and im retired all i have is time Darius III > no lazy bones like you would waste their time. LOL so much for your empty threats LOL
rember i dont care who you vote for just dont voter for them |
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Abyss Azizora
Amarrian Warfactory
8
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Posted - 2012.03.08 12:38:00 -
[671] - Quote
Voted. Hope we actually get a CSM delegate that isn't a RMT lord this time. |
Zodiac TheMarketRat
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.08 15:08:00 -
[672] - Quote
Bump for Hans. |
None ofthe Above
114
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Posted - 2012.03.08 17:11:00 -
[673] - Quote
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Galatica789 wrote:http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129, Hans, your thoughts on this? [...] And trolling the existing CSM who should have known about it prior to release. Thats all I have to say for now, it'll take some for me to write a bit more about the specifics. In all fairness, maybe they did, but it was/is still NDA'ed?
I did actually find this worth investigating.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77852&find=unread
I didn't get a definitive answer in the public thread, but I did get this private response from Trebor:
Quote:Well, there was some discussion of making the ship progressions more logical but no real details -- like the skills changes -- IIRC.
But mostly what Mittens was doing there was reacting to that huge mea culpa, and making sure the dev knew that everything was cool between him and CSM -- which it always was. We just would have liked to give him some pre-feedback to help him communicate stuff better.
My general opinion: way too early to get all bent out of shape about particular things, and huge props to CCP both for having the courage to address a big issue AND to bring it out for public discussion so early in the process. That's a BIG change and very welcome.
He mentioned maybe responding to my public thread later to get it on the record, but apparently he's been too busy fending off spam accusations.
TL;DR: It was discussed but it seems not with enough specifics to really react to.
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
None ofthe Above
114
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Posted - 2012.03.08 17:18:00 -
[674] - Quote
Mister Kwong wrote:And btw, just a post that shows that CSM6 doesn't have as good of a rapport with CCP as you think it does. I guess Mittens isn't as chummy with CCP as he would like many of you to believe; http://scaurus.com/?p=673
Its been clear that the CSM is only allowed so far in to CCP's process.
IMHO, not far enough in, although I respect CCP's right to define a line there.
CSM election antics and crazy candidates devalue the CSM and would likely cause CCP to keep it at arms length. A CSM they can work with and is easy to respect will help us get a better game.
All the more important to vote for Hans, or at least take the election seriously enough not to vote for a joke candidate for the lulz.
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
554
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Posted - 2012.03.08 18:47:00 -
[675] - Quote
Ok sure it might have been brought up, but ill ask anyways.
Hans,
I see other threads mention you represent faction warfare. Mittani has stated he wants faction warfare to be a test bed for null sov mechanics. What are your thoughts about this?
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Vaurion Infara
Beyond Divinity Inc Excuses.
20
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Posted - 2012.03.08 19:48:00 -
[676] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Ok sure it might have been brought up, but ill ask anyways.
Hans,
I see other threads mention you represent faction warfare. Mittani has stated he wants faction warfare to be a test bed for null sov mechanics. What are your thoughts about this?
99% sure he's absolutely against this.
MickeyFinn > Fyi Vaurion Infara is a bad apple in a bunch of good ones. Dont let his big mouth and moods bring you down! If anyone lives near him RL get him LAID! would help him a ton. Fly safe and gods speed. |
Macon Chalaise
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.03.08 20:18:00 -
[677] - Quote
Vaurion Infara wrote:*Vaurion Infara secretly crafts theory that Trebor is working for Hans by hyping him in a 'voter's guide' then shooting himself in the foot with mass spam evemails.
While I am not saying I believe this is true, it did cross my mind. Shoobie doobie doobie. |
Klown Walk
Black Rebel Rifter Club
44
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Posted - 2012.03.08 20:20:00 -
[678] - Quote
+1 Vote from me and I hope my corp votes for you aswell. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2038
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Posted - 2012.03.08 20:48:00 -
[679] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Ok sure it might have been brought up, but ill ask anyways.
Hans,
I see other threads mention you represent faction warfare. Mittani has stated he wants faction warfare to be a test bed for null sov mechanics. What are your thoughts about this?
Faction Warfare improvements should ONLY developed according to what works for Faction Warfare. If it works elsewhere, I don't care what they eventually do with FW mechanics out in null. I'm just adamant that they need to completely ignore what's good for null sec when making FW adjustments. The cultures are too different and trying to compromise will likely result in a system that fails to meet the specific needs of the Faction Warfare community, who deserve their own unique and highly functional set of game play tools. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
167
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Posted - 2012.03.08 21:55:00 -
[680] - Quote
Chalk up another endorsement from one of the guys at Agony Unleashed; http://www.evealtruist.com/2012/03/csm-endorsement.html
Quote: When you're a fan of strategy and grand designs, it's easy to forget that for many people the fun is in the fight itself. Especially when it comes to smaller scale PVP (which despite what some may tell you, is still very much alive in NPC nullsec, lowsec, hisec and wormhole space), most people aren't really out to accomplish grandiose objectives so much as they are to find a fight and make explosions, and mechanics which make it easier and more enjoyable to get a fight on this scale are really good things. From reading Hans' manifesto, it's clear that this is something he gets. With a background in faction warfare, he comes from an area where easy to find, casual PVP is order of the day, and that's a perspective which I believe could go a long way, even outside of the areas he claims to have experience in.
There are many good candidates this time round, but if you're a fan of accessible, small scale PVP then Hans is worth a look.
If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread |
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Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
554
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Posted - 2012.03.08 22:32:00 -
[681] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ok sure it might have been brought up, but ill ask anyways.
Hans,
I see other threads mention you represent faction warfare. Mittani has stated he wants faction warfare to be a test bed for null sov mechanics. What are your thoughts about this? Faction Warfare improvements should ONLY developed according to what works for Faction Warfare. If it works elsewhere, I don't care what they eventually do with FW mechanics out in null. I'm just adamant that they need to completely ignore what's good for null sec when making FW adjustments. The cultures are too different and trying to compromise will likely result in a system that fails to meet the specific needs of the Faction Warfare community, who deserve their own unique and highly functional set of game play tools.
While I agree, I am curious how you plan on changing Mittani's mind?
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Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
138
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Posted - 2012.03.08 23:46:00 -
[682] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ok sure it might have been brought up, but ill ask anyways.
Hans,
I see other threads mention you represent faction warfare. Mittani has stated he wants faction warfare to be a test bed for null sov mechanics. What are your thoughts about this? Faction Warfare improvements should ONLY developed according to what works for Faction Warfare. If it works elsewhere, I don't care what they eventually do with FW mechanics out in null. I'm just adamant that they need to completely ignore what's good for null sec when making FW adjustments. The cultures are too different and trying to compromise will likely result in a system that fails to meet the specific needs of the Faction Warfare community, who deserve their own unique and highly functional set of game play tools. While I agree, I am curious how you plan on changing Mittani's mind?
Why change The Mittani's mind? He is entitled to his opinion. I am hopeful that CCP will look at the voting statistics and see that a lot of people support Hans not because he is their alliance CEO, but because he has actual good ideas. Hans doesn't need to convince The Mittani, he needs to convince CCP; the actual FW community are eager to help show our support for Hans through petitions, threadnaughts, etc. if he is elected and CCP needs evidence that his ideas ACTUALLY represent the amalgamated desires of the FW community at large. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Alliance Rules
Playboy Enterprises - Tokyo
0
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Posted - 2012.03.08 23:53:00 -
[683] - Quote
Just another reason to vote for.........
Read the complete Platform here: http://www.eve-online-dark-taboo.com/vote/
If you want your vote to count just once in EVE vote for PsychoBitch.
Sick of CCP devs and their hair-brained, half-baked, blue-balled ideas?
Sick of self-important fat puds and frail half-elves on the CSM?
Sick of things in eve that should have been fixed A G E S ago not being fixed and new errors being introduced daily?
Make your one vote count finally, vote for PsychoBitch!
If you are voting for someone who has been in the CSM before - you have wasted your vote on F A I L
Don't be a failure, be a hero. Vote for PsychoBitch now!
Campaign Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnOZAEbk7r0
If you don't drink whiskey - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE If you don't like having sex with women - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE If you don't live life on your own terms - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE
THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW IN LIFE - ANYTHING WRITTEN BELOW IGNORE |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
299
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Posted - 2012.03.09 00:19:00 -
[684] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ok sure it might have been brought up, but ill ask anyways.
Hans,
I see other threads mention you represent faction warfare. Mittani has stated he wants faction warfare to be a test bed for null sov mechanics. What are your thoughts about this? Faction Warfare improvements should ONLY developed according to what works for Faction Warfare. If it works elsewhere, I don't care what they eventually do with FW mechanics out in null. I'm just adamant that they need to completely ignore what's good for null sec when making FW adjustments. The cultures are too different and trying to compromise will likely result in a system that fails to meet the specific needs of the Faction Warfare community, who deserve their own unique and highly functional set of game play tools. While I agree, I am curious how you plan on changing Mittani's mind?
I don't think ccp views mittani as relevant regarding fw. Mittani would likely agree. Ccp is smart enough to realize that eves small scale pvp is fun enough to deserve its own major mechanic. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2041
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Posted - 2012.03.09 07:46:00 -
[685] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote: While I agree, I am curious how you plan on changing Mittani's mind?
I don't have to. He has already said that he not only supports my run for CSM but also that he would defer to me on Faction Warfare issues, should I be elected. All the more reason to get your friends to the polls! Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1401
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Posted - 2012.03.09 13:12:00 -
[686] - Quote
Interesting the high numbers of people voting this time. Fingers crossed it leads to some genuine fresh air in the CSM and a return to representative accountability and focus on lowsec and small unit warfare.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jitacaldari
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.09 15:50:00 -
[687] - Quote
Hope to fly with you soon in FW, my skills are climbing to the point where i can contribute to a fight! Vote Hans Jagerblitzen CSM7 |
Macon Chalaise
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.03.09 16:38:00 -
[688] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Marlona Sky wrote: While I agree, I am curious how you plan on changing Mittani's mind?
I don't have to. He has already said that he not only supports my run for CSM but also that he would defer to me on Faction Warfare issues, should I be elected. All the more reason to get your friends to the polls!
Just doo eet! Shoobie doobie doobie. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2049
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Posted - 2012.03.09 18:52:00 -
[689] - Quote
Jitacaldari wrote:Hope to fly with you soon in FW, my skills are climbing to the point where i can contribute to a fight! Vote Hans Jagerblitzen CSM7
If you can fly a rifter / merlin / punisher, and fit both a scram and an afterburner, you're ready to contribute to a fight!
It's never too early to learn to pew. Let me know if you need any help getting on your feet - I can point you in the right direction depending on what faction you want to fight for or what ships you're interested in training towards. Mail me anytime! Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Gabriel Darkefyre
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
3
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Posted - 2012.03.09 19:04:00 -
[690] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ok sure it might have been brought up, but ill ask anyways.
Hans,
I see other threads mention you represent faction warfare. Mittani has stated he wants faction warfare to be a test bed for null sov mechanics. What are your thoughts about this? Faction Warfare improvements should ONLY developed according to what works for Faction Warfare. If it works elsewhere, I don't care what they eventually do with FW mechanics out in null. I'm just adamant that they need to completely ignore what's good for null sec when making FW adjustments. The cultures are too different and trying to compromise will likely result in a system that fails to meet the specific needs of the Faction Warfare community, who deserve their own unique and highly functional set of game play tools.
This.
To use an Analogy, look at FW being a Sports Car and Nullsec Sov being a High Speed Jet . You could have the best Sports Car Engine in the World, but if you try to put it straight into the Jet, well, it's just not going to fly. Likewise, strapping a Jet Engine to the Sports Car is just a Darwin Award waiting to happen even if it works perfectly for the Jet.
Simply put, if it works for one, it doesn't mean it'll work for the other. |
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Arec Bardwin
Perkone Caldari State
244
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Posted - 2012.03.09 22:13:00 -
[691] - Quote
Voted with all my accounts. Good luck on your CSM7 period. |
Vaurion Infara
Beyond Divinity Inc Excuses.
20
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Posted - 2012.03.10 02:20:00 -
[692] - Quote
Gabriel Darkefyre wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ok sure it might have been brought up, but ill ask anyways.
Hans,
I see other threads mention you represent faction warfare. Mittani has stated he wants faction warfare to be a test bed for null sov mechanics. What are your thoughts about this? Faction Warfare improvements should ONLY developed according to what works for Faction Warfare. If it works elsewhere, I don't care what they eventually do with FW mechanics out in null. I'm just adamant that they need to completely ignore what's good for null sec when making FW adjustments. The cultures are too different and trying to compromise will likely result in a system that fails to meet the specific needs of the Faction Warfare community, who deserve their own unique and highly functional set of game play tools. This. To use an Analogy, look at FW being a Sports Car and Nullsec Sov being a High Speed Jet . You could have the best Sports Car Engine in the World, but if you try to put it straight into the Jet, well, it's just not going to fly. Likewise, strapping a Jet Engine to the Sports Car is just a Darwin Award waiting to happen even if it works perfectly for the Jet. Simply put, if it works for one, it doesn't mean it'll work for the other.
Superfluous capitalizations aside, this is a very good analogy. =)
MickeyFinn > Fyi Vaurion Infara is a bad apple in a bunch of good ones. Dont let his big mouth and moods bring you down! If anyone lives near him RL get him LAID! would help him a ton. Fly safe and gods speed. |
Jitacaldari
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.10 10:40:00 -
[693] - Quote
Let's all keep working to get the voters to select Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Simyaldee
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
17
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Posted - 2012.03.11 03:00:00 -
[694] - Quote
In case any of you haven't read this
http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2012/03/csm7-mega-hans-versus-giant-mittani.html
So Hans what if you do win the chairmanship over the Goon? |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.11 08:07:00 -
[695] - Quote
I think Poetic is neglecting to account for the goon bloc vote not being split between two candidates, as well as the increase in size of the CFC. I'm pretty sure that mittens will get the most votes, and I think he might even hit his 10k target. Hans has run an excellent campaign, but mittens has in effect been campaigning for months.
That said, I told Hans a while ago that I expected him to be in the top 7, and against the generally higher standard of campaigning by what is probably the strongest field of candidates yet, that will be no mean achievement.
It's also worth reminding ourselves (if only to spare Trebor the effort of doing it again) that the CSM Chair recieves no special powers or consideration. All this talk of "mandates" does not change that.
~ On behalf of Malcanis |
Rei Seiji
Production N Destruction INC. The Last Chancers.
18
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Posted - 2012.03.11 11:09:00 -
[696] - Quote
Still, Hans as chairman would be pretty interesting to see...
Now if only someone released those incriminating photos of Mittani playing on a PvE server in WoW... |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.11 13:46:00 -
[697] - Quote
IIRC, mittens is a Tanks man |
thekiller2002us
Order of Celestial Knights S I L E N T.
77
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Posted - 2012.03.11 15:01:00 -
[698] - Quote
god anyone except darius, xenuria and especially Riverini.
http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab10/thekiller2002us/Riverini.png I'm with Brick on this one- make thouse carebearing b******s squeal.. |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
764
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Posted - 2012.03.11 17:13:00 -
[699] - Quote
Can Mega Hans do it? Mega Hans vs. Giant Mittani (http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2012/03/csm7-mega-hans-versus-giant-mittani.html). The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Mister Kwong
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.03.12 05:33:00 -
[700] - Quote
For the sake of lolz alone, people should vote for Hans now just to see if can become number 1 and make Mittens/Goons cry or at least make him HTFU for being that cocky. LOLSCM |
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Alfred Mahan
Task Force 42
4
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Posted - 2012.03.12 11:10:00 -
[701] - Quote
+1 Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM. Vote Here: http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/CandidatesView.asp |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2051
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Posted - 2012.03.12 14:39:00 -
[702] - Quote
Simyaldee wrote: So Hans what if you do win the chairmanship over the Goon?
I would put the work in that the position deserves and would strive to make CSM7 the most effective CSM yet. I have a proven track record of being able to keep discussions constructive and on-task, and would never shy away from aggressively warning CCP when theyGÇÖre headed down a dangerous path.
Poetic is right, I have no interesting in e-peen waving, but that doesnGÇÖt mean that the Chairmanship doesnGÇÖt have a set of responsibilities that need to be shouldered by an individual with the ability to lead and the integrity to protect the diverse array of interests represented by the council.
Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
N'maro Makari
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
40
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Posted - 2012.03.13 05:21:00 -
[703] - Quote
I endorse Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM, you have my vote Hans. N'maro Makari Special Investigative Officer The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative |
None ofthe Above
119
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Posted - 2012.03.13 06:15:00 -
[704] - Quote
Its clear that goons are pushing harder than ever:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=928451#post928451
Do I smell fear?
We've got one chance here to get the chairmanship into civil and responsible hands.
Vote Hans! Get your spacefriends and spaceneighbors off their spaceasses and cast their spacevotes!
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
Alfred Mahan
Task Force 42
6
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Posted - 2012.03.13 11:15:00 -
[705] - Quote
None ofthe Above wrote:
Vote Hans! Get your spacefriends and spaceneighbors off their spaceasses and cast their spacevotes!
roger - will campaign all day in various systems
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM. Vote Here: http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/CandidatesView.asp |
Powah Ekard
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.14 01:25:00 -
[706] - Quote
I held off making a decision for a long time. Not sure who among all of these fine candidates deserved my vote.
Today I voted for Hans!
Finally got through your pdf and I like what you have to say and how you've conducted yourself on the campaign.
Good luck, brother. |
Temba Ronin
154
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Posted - 2012.03.14 16:40:00 -
[707] - Quote
While suffering through another classic fail CCP upgrade i want to encourage everyone who can log in to Vote Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.15 04:38:00 -
[708] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:t's just bragging rights. It's e-peen. Which is why I figure Hans would let Mittani have the chair. Hans isn't interested in e-peen.
I hope Hans does get the chair of CSM, that would be cool. I have confidence, however, that Hans , having run in the first place and put as much effort into his campaign as he has in the interests of EVE as a whole, would not do so.
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Super Chair
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
170
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Posted - 2012.03.15 12:12:00 -
[709] - Quote
Vote for hans! I did |
Alfred Mahan
Task Force 42
6
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Posted - 2012.03.15 12:23:00 -
[710] - Quote
Tech3ZH wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:t's just bragging rights. It's e-peen. Which is why I figure Hans would let Mittani have the chair. Hans isn't interested in e-peen. I hope Hans does get the chair of CSM, that would be cool. I have confidence, however, that Hans , having run in the first place and put as much effort into his campaign as he has in the interests of EVE as a whole, would not do so.
Your punctuation is killing me
Let's see how it works out, we need a powerful CSM7. If that means Mittens as Chair and Hans to hold the reigns, so be it.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM. Vote Here: http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/CandidatesView.asp |
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Temba Ronin
154
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Posted - 2012.03.15 21:03:00 -
[711] - Quote
Is there any way to find out how many total ballots have been cast so far? Remeber to Vote! Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 Chairman! |
Simyaldee
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
17
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Posted - 2012.03.15 21:38:00 -
[712] - Quote
Temba Ronin wrote:Is there any way to find out how many total ballots have been cast so far? Remeber to Vote! Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 Chairman!
Theres a CSM Voting Stats thread at the top of the Jita Corner section, however its only for the total votes not for individual candidates.
Honestly I would absolutely LOVE if Hans won the chairmanship, It would mean that low-sec would have a higher chance of getting the love it needs, since we all have some confidence that Hans will make the top 7. But the campaign is not over, the null-sec bloc candidates have almost no need to campaign for their votes, Hans needs to spread his message to all corners of Empire so as to gather all the support he can.
So help him out, still plenty of time left on the election, remind your friends(and maybe your enemies) who best to vote for, post the forum link in local when your passing through, every bit helps. Vote for Hans and bring some stability to the CSM, don't let decisions about Empire be made by people who have no idea what the **** their talking about.
VOTE!
HANS!!!!! Vote for Hans Jagerblitzen
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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
34
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Posted - 2012.03.16 16:24:00 -
[713] - Quote
Temba Ronin wrote:Is there any way to find out how many total ballots have been cast so far? Remeber to Vote! Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 Chairman! Sticky thread in this forum (should have been mirrored in General Disc. to catch non/late-voters if you ask me).
Bottom line is that it looks like this year will have 11-12k more votes cost than last year .. still very anemic. Forced voting is the way to go, forcing people to take a stand is the only way! Cut training time in half for six months if an eligible account doesn't vote (abstaining is a valid vote now so make it happen)!
The Empress demands her envoy/puppet on the council, vote for the Minnie! Vote Hans! God Wills It! |
Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
9
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Posted - 2012.03.16 20:02:00 -
[714] - Quote
Veshta Yoshida wrote:The Empress demands her envoy/puppet on the council, vote for the Minnie! Vote Hans! God Wills It!
There is something disturbing about this. Something worse is I agree with it. Go Hans! |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
26
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Posted - 2012.03.16 22:08:00 -
[715] - Quote
Veshta Yoshida wrote:Temba Ronin wrote:Is there any way to find out how many total ballots have been cast so far? Remeber to Vote! Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 Chairman! Sticky thread in this forum (should have been mirrored in General Disc. to catch non/late-voters if you ask me). Bottom line is that it looks like this year will have 11-12k more votes cost than last year .. still very anemic. Forced voting is the way to go, forcing people to take a stand is the only way! Cut training time in half for six months if an eligible account doesn't vote (abstaining is a valid vote now so make it happen)! The Empress demands her envoy/puppet on the council, vote for the Minnie! Vote Hans! God Wills It!
A ~1.2x annual increase is actually pretty good.
EDIT Jesus christ CCP, a percentage sign in a post doesn't make it a hostile h4xx0r attack |
Grumpy Owly
332
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Posted - 2012.03.16 22:36:00 -
[716] - Quote
Pheusia wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:Temba Ronin wrote:Is there any way to find out how many total ballots have been cast so far? Remeber to Vote! Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 Chairman! Sticky thread in this forum (should have been mirrored in General Disc. to catch non/late-voters if you ask me). Bottom line is that it looks like this year will have 11-12k more votes cost than last year .. still very anemic. Forced voting is the way to go, forcing people to take a stand is the only way! Cut training time in half for six months if an eligible account doesn't vote (abstaining is a valid vote now so make it happen)! The Empress demands her envoy/puppet on the council, vote for the Minnie! Vote Hans! God Wills It! A ~1.2x annual increase is actually pretty good. EDIT Jesus christ CCP, a percentage sign in a post doesn't make it a hostile h4xx0r attack
Whilst encouraging to see an increase it still isnt anything like a serious mandate for the CSM, not that that is really a serious issue for CSM candidates as it's more simply a case of getting a voice. However until we see how the votes are comprised I dont want to assume its a nice to see reduction in the apathy issue as the increase could also accomodate votes that are simply attributable to abstentions, hope not however.
But seeing as we are in Hans thread, I would hope that a number of FW, Empire and any other players are aware of the CSM and have voted responsibly. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
34
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Posted - 2012.03.17 07:03:00 -
[717] - Quote
Kethry Avenger wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:The Empress demands her envoy/puppet on the council, vote for the Minnie! Vote Hans! God Wills It! There is something disturbing about this. Something worse is I agree with it. Go Hans! Well, the way I figure, the Empire (and its alleged evils ) is the only reason that most of the insurgents exist and it is such a dominant topic in any discussion/debate with said insurgents that they are a hairbreadth from submitting body and soul if only to get a semblance of balance in their conflicted minds ..
Vote Hans for RP shenanigans 23/7!
Pheusia wrote:A ~1.2x annual increase is actually pretty good.
EDIT Jesus christ CCP, a percentage sign in a post doesn't make it a hostile h4xx0r attack Voting is primarily done by 'matured' accounts, ie. by people who have a vested interest in and/or have decided to stick with Eve. Taken together with number of accounts added to Eve in the time period and the increase is pretty much 'null' .. those +10k votes are only 2-3 pct of the the population after all and <15 pct participation is not exactly stellar, we need to make the masses understand/embrace that Internet Spaceships is SrsBusinessGäó
Call Vote Hans for a goooood time! |
Temba Ronin
154
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Posted - 2012.03.17 11:15:00 -
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Simyaldee wrote:Temba Ronin wrote:Is there any way to find out how many total ballots have been cast so far? Remeber to Vote! Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 Chairman! Theres a CSM Voting Stats thread at the top of the Jita Corner section, however its only for the total votes not for individual candidates. Honestly I would absolutely LOVE if Hans won the chairmanship, It would mean that low-sec would have a higher chance of getting the love it needs, since we all have some confidence that Hans will make the top 7. But the campaign is not over, the null-sec bloc candidates have almost no need to campaign for their votes, Hans needs to spread his message to all corners of Empire so as to gather all the support he can. So help him out, still plenty of time left on the election, remind your friends(and maybe your enemies) who best to vote for, post the forum link in local when your passing through, every bit helps. Vote for Hans and bring some stability to the CSM, don't let decisions about Empire be made by people who have no idea what the **** their talking about. VOTE! HANS!!!!! I agree I am bugging everyone i know to Vote Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7.
In fact my standard practice when flying thru space is to make a statement in every system in local "Vote Hans Jagerblitzen CSM7, the candidate that has a plan to improve Eve making it more profitable and more fun!"
When i am mining or in a mission hub I try to get into convo's on local on why people should Vote Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7.
With some constant effort and talking to everyone who will talk back I believe we can make this happen for Hans, I am actively working for it and I encourage/ hope more employ these easy simple methods to get more players to Vote Hans Jagerblitzen CSM7 Chairman! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1403
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Posted - 2012.03.17 13:23:00 -
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Keep voting Hans for a lowsec/FW/small gang focus for the next development cycle!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
26
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Posted - 2012.03.17 14:39:00 -
[720] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Pheusia wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:Temba Ronin wrote:Is there any way to find out how many total ballots have been cast so far? Remeber to Vote! Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 Chairman! Sticky thread in this forum (should have been mirrored in General Disc. to catch non/late-voters if you ask me). Bottom line is that it looks like this year will have 11-12k more votes cost than last year .. still very anemic. Forced voting is the way to go, forcing people to take a stand is the only way! Cut training time in half for six months if an eligible account doesn't vote (abstaining is a valid vote now so make it happen)! The Empress demands her envoy/puppet on the council, vote for the Minnie! Vote Hans! God Wills It! A ~1.2x annual increase is actually pretty good. EDIT Jesus christ CCP, a percentage sign in a post doesn't make it a hostile h4xx0r attack Whilst encouraging to see an increase it still isnt anything like a serious mandate for the CSM, not that that is really a serious issue for CSM candidates as it's more simply a case of getting a voice. However until we see how the votes are comprised I dont want to assume its a nice to see reduction in the apathy issue as the increase could also accomodate votes that are simply attributable to abstentions, hope not however. But seeing as we are in Hans thread, I would hope that a number of FW, Empire and any other players are aware of the CSM and have voted responsibly.
I don't think you can handwave away an extra ten thousand participants quite so facilely. Yes it would be better if even mote players voted, but its a bit eyorish to dismiss such a big improvement just because it was based on a poor starting point. |
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Grumpy Owly
336
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Posted - 2012.03.17 14:52:00 -
[721] - Quote
Pheusia wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Pheusia wrote:Veshta Yoshida wrote:Temba Ronin wrote:Is there any way to find out how many total ballots have been cast so far? Remeber to Vote! Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 Chairman! Sticky thread in this forum (should have been mirrored in General Disc. to catch non/late-voters if you ask me). Bottom line is that it looks like this year will have 11-12k more votes cost than last year .. still very anemic. Forced voting is the way to go, forcing people to take a stand is the only way! Cut training time in half for six months if an eligible account doesn't vote (abstaining is a valid vote now so make it happen)! The Empress demands her envoy/puppet on the council, vote for the Minnie! Vote Hans! God Wills It! A ~1.2x annual increase is actually pretty good. EDIT Jesus christ CCP, a percentage sign in a post doesn't make it a hostile h4xx0r attack Whilst encouraging to see an increase it still isnt anything like a serious mandate for the CSM, not that that is really a serious issue for CSM candidates as it's more simply a case of getting a voice. However until we see how the votes are comprised I dont want to assume its a nice to see reduction in the apathy issue as the increase could also accomodate votes that are simply attributable to abstentions, hope not however. But seeing as we are in Hans thread, I would hope that a number of FW, Empire and any other players are aware of the CSM and have voted responsibly. I don't think you can handwave away an extra ten thousand participants quite so facilely. Yes it would be better if even mote players voted, but its a bit eyorish to dismiss such a big improvement just because it was based on a poor starting point.
More to do with don't want to assume anything and start chiming off with interpretation that may end up not being true.
When you consider that CCP have placed a voting option as a message on the front of the screen it might simply be a valid option that players choose to abstain in the hope to get rid of the message? That's me being cynical however.
Some might be random of course, I've seen posts in Amarr about people who selected candidates from the top of the list without even bothering to look at any details as a result. That of course could be Hub Troll humour however and certainly wasn't in any way in the 1000's of course.
Hopefully your right and the people who are interested will respond with a postive correlation to genuine interest. I have to concede it might be more of a sensible occams razor if it involves some effort. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |
Vaurion Infara
Beyond Divinity Inc Excuses.
20
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Posted - 2012.03.18 15:39:00 -
[722] - Quote
Cordial, yet reserved bump.
MickeyFinn > Fyi Vaurion Infara is a bad apple in a bunch of good ones. Dont let his big mouth and moods bring you down! If anyone lives near him RL get him LAID! would help him a ton. Fly safe and gods speed. |
Pelador Rova
Paladin Philanthropists
59
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Posted - 2012.03.18 20:30:00 -
[723] - Quote
Jade Constantine wrote:Keep voting Hans for a lowsec/FW/small gang focus for the next development cycle!
I'm predominantly a High Sec player atm and voted for Hans.
I think given his manifesto and the focus CCP will be taking for the next term of the CSM even though Hans is more than capable in helping the above associated groups you mentioned his designs for EvE are further reaching than this. |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
32
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:29:00 -
[724] - Quote
I'm predominantly a 0.0 player and I voted for Hans, because if there's one thing that the last 10 years have shown without a shadow of the doubt, it's that you can't "Fix" 0.0 without "fixing" empire too (and vice versa). If half the game is broken, it's all broken. Empire needs 0.0 to work properly; 0.0 needs Empire to work properly.
The players and the CSM have successfully energized CCP into looking at 0.0 again; now we need to get them to take a good long look at empire too.
Read https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=26049 for my thoughts on those lines, to which Hans was good enough to spend his time discussing and contributing to in an extremely constructive way. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2061
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Posted - 2012.03.18 21:41:00 -
[725] - Quote
Thanks for all the encouragement everyone! It's awesome to keep hearing so much support coming in.
I just wanted to remind everyone there is just a couple days left in the polls here, I need all of your help getting people to the polls, there will be a lot of last minute voters so NOW is the perfect time to hit the streets with my message again!
Here is my direct voting link you can share with your friends and chat channels in-game as you travel about:
http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=450
It is CRITICAL that we continue to get this link up and shared in-game as much as possible, THAT is where the votes are going to come from here in the final hour. I'll be doing some travelling and stumping myself, but I need your help to act as a "street team" during the last legs of the race.
Anything you can do to get people to the polls, regardless of who they vote for, would be awesome. Remind voters even if they don't want to vote for me its still important that their voices get heard. The bloc votes have been cast already - this is where we can catch up and pull ahead by putting our noses to the grindstone.
Good luck everyone, and thanks again for all that you've done to keep this campaign alive! I couldn't have come this far without the help of each and every one of you. Only a couple more days of hard work to go, and we can all rest and party this weekend. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2078
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Posted - 2012.03.20 02:02:00 -
[726] - Quote
Less than 24 hours left to vote! Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Andrea Griffin
186
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:03:00 -
[727] - Quote
Bump up the page for Hans. He doesn't hide behind broken dec-shield mechanics. CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
36
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Posted - 2012.03.20 19:18:00 -
[728] - Quote
Are we there yet? |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2083
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Posted - 2012.03.20 21:50:00 -
[729] - Quote
Almost, just a couple hours left to vote! Than we can all take a break and celebrate.
Thanks again to EVERYONE who has pitched in to make this an amazing campaign. My success, should the results be favorable, will be as much a reflection of the effort YOU have put in to support me throughout these last couple of months. I couldn't have done it myself!
This has been an incredible amount of fun, and I've learned more about the game in two months from talking with voters than I have in the last year of just playing EVE. Every one of you has taught me something - either about EVE, or about myself, and this has been a completely worthwhile experience, win or lose.
I look forward to the weekend, I hope many of you make it over to Fan Fest and have a great time! I'll be watching the HD stream the whole way.
I also hope many of you will come to EVE Vegas this year, I'm planning on going, and it would be a great pleasure to meet all of that I've gotten to know the last few months, in person and over some drinks!
Best of luck to the other candidates as well, It'll be an honor serving alongside you this coming year should I be elected. There's a lot of hard work ahead! Let's get to it!
Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1283
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:29:00 -
[730] - Quote
Good luck Hans, well run campaign, remember to try the lamb sub at Nonni's when you get to Iceland. It is the real reason that CSM members keep running for reelection!
So my guess... Hans in the 4th spot......
Issler |
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AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
101
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:50:00 -
[731] - Quote
Probably too late to matter since voting is almost over but this guy was a hard-core, aggressive CCP apologist last summer. It's sickening to read some of his old posts (like the one where he says the Fearless article is fake.) If everyone had been the sycophant he was, we wouldn't have had Crucible, which was a step in the right direction (albeit a small one.) I don't see what qualifies him to lead the revolution.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2088
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:05:00 -
[732] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Good luck Hans, well run campaign, remember to try the lamb sub at Nonni's when you get to Iceland. It is the real reason that CSM members keep running for reelection!
So my guess... Hans in the 4th spot......
Issler
I appreciate the gesture, I just wish it was heart-felt. If you truly respect me as an individual, instead of just saying more nice words, demonstrate that you mean it by taking a minute to do what you know should be done and fix up your thread. Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1283
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:39:00 -
[733] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Good luck Hans, well run campaign, remember to try the lamb sub at Nonni's when you get to Iceland. It is the real reason that CSM members keep running for reelection!
So my guess... Hans in the 4th spot......
Issler I appreciate the gesture, I just wish it was heart-felt. If you truly respect me as an individual, instead of just saying more nice words, demonstrate that you mean it by taking a minute to do what you know should be done and fix up your thread.
It is heartfelt even if you don't like that it is. You worked your ass of an likely got elected. Why wouldn't I congratulate you?
Issler
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2088
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:57:00 -
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AkJon Ferguson wrote:Probably too late to matter since voting is almost over but this guy was a hard-core, aggressive CCP apologist last summer. It's sickening to read some of his old posts (like the one where he says the Fearless article is fake.) If everyone had been the sycophant he was, we wouldn't have had Crucible, which was a step in the right direction (albeit a small one.) I don't see what qualifies him to lead the revolution.
Nope it's never too late to question's a candidate's leadership ability. Polls have closed, but I could still be elected, and voters have every right to question my ability to challenge CCP on important issues, especially in light of my initial reaction last summer.
Of course, its easy to say just about anything by quoting a single post, and those that take the time to read all my posts since then, will see that I very much changed my tone and opinion of CCP once I found out the newsletter was real.
I have no problem owning up to the fact I really thought it was fake. There was so much RAGE over the expansion, and any time emotions are at a peak, rationality takes a dip. I honestly believed that the newsletter was a troll attempt, because it seemed "too perfect" at the time.
Of course, I turned out to be wrong, and that moment single-handedly changed my perspective on CCP, how much we can trust them, and how grounded they were in what the players actually wanted for their own game. I became intensely interested in EVE politics and the role of the CSM following the "Fearless" controversy, and that's when I started working across the four militias to compile a list of fixes for Crucible. I saw an opportunity arise where CCP seemed to be honestly interested in delivering a feature chock full of player fixes, and the minute they mentioned Faction Warfare I wanted to be sure that if we had ANY chance at all of getting some changes implemented, that it was taken.
Once we had built enough community consensus about the most pressing issues, I started getting in touch with the CSM, and asking about the process and how I could help make sure the FW community was heard. I was able to get my notes to the developers this way, and everything that has changed so far regarding FW was part of that set of notes.
I continue to be highly skeptical of CCP, you have to remember a year ago most of us in the FW community honestly believed that CCP had no future plans to work on FW, ever again. The second eye-opener was the release of the summit minutes. In the minutes, Faction Warfare improvements were described that shared little resemblance to what the community envisioned for the feature, and I realized that the possibility existed that once again, CCP might pursue their own overly-ambitious vision for a feature without zeroing in on the "meat and potatoes" issues that meant the most to dedicated Faction Warfare pilots.
These were the events that led to my run for office. I reached out and was able to get involved with the feedback process in meaningful enough way that I saw just how much players can make a difference, but also enough to realize how much pressure CSM7 is going to have apply to prevent CCP from falling into old habits.
What I'm really looking forward to is a YEAR of crucible-like productivity, based on a continuation of the relationship the CSM and developers have enjoyed in the wake of the "fearless" crisis. I want to keep the ball in play, pushing for iteration not just on the game itself, but also iteration on the CSM itself and its relationship to both CCP and the player base. My experience has given me an understanding of the need to keep improving the process - everything from election mechanics to the way meetings are documented and shared with players.
I've learned that the CSM can be a fantastic "canary in a coal mine" - but only if CCP pays attention when the bird keels over. Incarna was a demonstration of what happens when they ignore the warning signs, Crucible is a sign of just how much can be done on spaceships now that avatars have been sidelined and resources re-routed.
Focusing the entire company (with a few exceptions) back on to the core game of EVE Online, is the right thing to do right now. It'll be a huge opportunity to be on the CSM during an entire year of expansion goodness now that all of the developer teams back and headed in the right direction. I'm excited! Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Pelador Rova
Paladin Philanthropists
61
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Posted - 2012.03.21 21:51:00 -
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Just thought I'd share some evidence supporting how much Hans views the industrial side of the game and has intentions to support them, seeing as some people want to throw this into doubt:
Amarr local wrote:n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:00 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Chribba o/ n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:21 ] Chribba > ello n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:33 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I'm visiting your neighborhood here n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:40 ] Chribba > best place to be tbh n++[ 2012.03.11 08:36:54 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > (though It wasn't the friendliest of welcomes, given me being minnie militia and an outlaw) n++[ 2012.03.11 08:37:29 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > But I wanted to stop by and encourage everyone here to get to the polls and vote for their chosen candidate, this has never been a more important year to vote for the CSM! n++[ 2012.03.11 08:37:35 ] Chribba > haha n++[ 2012.03.11 08:37:54 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > We're looking to get a record turnout, hopefully n++[ 2012.03.11 08:37:58 ] Kazuko Manjusha > buying faction afterburner n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:22 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Have you voted yet Chribba? I know you are a private man, no need to tell us who you voted for, but I'm curious if you've been to the polls yet n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:40 ] Chribba > I've put my vote from all my accounts yes n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:53 ] Jayden Amrahas > True Sansha Armor Thermic Hardener n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:55 ] Zhihatsu > I don't suppose I could ask someone to drop 50m on me? I'm woefully short on fitting out my zealot n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:55 ] Jayden Amrahas > Republic Fleet Small Shield Booster n++[ 2012.03.11 08:38:59 ] Jayden Amrahas > Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher n++[ 2012.03.11 08:39:01 ] Jayden Amrahas > Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher n++[ 2012.03.11 08:39:22 ] Shine Soaro > Chribba after so many years of playing EvE, what keeps you motivated to play, if i may ask? n++[ 2012.03.11 08:39:54 ] Chribba > community n++[ 2012.03.11 08:39:58 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Good question Shine :) n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:05 ] Chribba > without all you fine pilots I wouldn't be here n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:08 ] Shine Soaro > :) n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:10 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > There are a lot of bittervets out there, Chribba does not seem bitter to me n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:31 ] Chribba > sure there are changes that I too think was better back then n++[ 2012.03.11 08:40:42 ] Chribba > but one gotta see the bigger picture, and the bigger picture is what affects the most n++[ 2012.03.11 08:42:40 ] Pelador Rova > I'd like to endorse Hans for CSM7, He has a solid manifesto with many key interests including veldspar. With the war theme in the up and coming inferno expansion he also has a wealth of knowledge to support the development due to his background n++[ 2012.03.11 08:43:49 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Awwwww thanks Pelador! n++[ 2012.03.11 08:43:55 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I'm humbled n++[ 2012.03.11 08:45:16 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I hope after the summer of war stuff they can move on and do an industrial expansion n++[ 2012.03.11 08:45:39 ] Kazuko Manjusha > its more pvp n++[ 2012.03.11 08:45:40 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > overhaul POS's, fix up mining, and the like. n++[ 2012.03.11 08:46:12 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > Dont get me wrong - I love PvP. But the industrial half of the game has been untouched for much longer than both Faction Warfare AND nullsec sov n++[ 2012.03.11 08:47:26 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > I like to make boosters, myself. It involves gas mining AND Pos manufacturing, both systems that are pretty frustrating. n++[ 2012.03.11 08:47:50 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > so I have some personal stake in it seeing them given some overdue attention n++[ 2012.03.11 08:50:31 ] Hans Jagerblitzen > The only thing I dont have some stake in is nullsec issues - I dont spend much time out in 0.0. My interest is in making sure that empire space gets its needs voiced on the council n++[ 2012.03.11 08:50:53 ] Ravees Artanar > good luck
So you can see that Hans is actually in favour of seeing the industrial side even potentially get its own expansion. |
Argyle Jones
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
7
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Posted - 2012.03.21 23:13:00 -
[736] - Quote
Already cast my 3 votes for Roc, but reading your platform document and some of your replies in this thread, you certainly have my moral support as well. I hope you both get in.
/Yargle |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
305
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Posted - 2012.03.22 00:16:00 -
[737] - Quote
I haven't been this excited about Eve since ccp gave us small rigs.
Regardless of the outcome, you ran a great campaign! Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
305
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Posted - 2012.03.22 14:43:00 -
[738] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:AkJon Ferguson wrote:Probably too late to matter since voting is almost over but this guy was a hard-core, aggressive CCP apologist last summer. It's sickening to read some of his old posts (like the one where he says the Fearless article is fake.) If everyone had been the sycophant he was, we wouldn't have had Crucible, which was a step in the right direction (albeit a small one.) I don't see what qualifies him to lead the revolution. Of course, I turned out to be wrong, and that moment single-handedly changed my perspective on CCP, how much we can trust them, and how grounded they were in what the players actually wanted for their own game.
Great response. I'm glad when you found out it wasn't fake, you didn't react like a certain csm delegate and tell everyone basically "yeah ignore that memo."
Also keep in mind there is no person called ccp. There are lots of people at ccp, and everyone I dealt with either gm or dev I have found to be extremely honest. Plus they made a great game.
I know allot of people will disagree with this but, much of the rage was spawned due to their effective communication and brutal honesty about the disagreeable direction they were taking the game. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Temba Ronin
155
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Posted - 2012.03.24 15:41:00 -
[739] - Quote
It would be really good if CCP posted the election final results today! |
Lord Meriak
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
7
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:18:00 -
[740] - Quote
Well done |
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Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
186
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Posted - 2012.03.24 17:14:00 -
[741] - Quote
I'm dissapointed that Hans didn't get into the top 7. I did everything I could which included emailing my own corp and spamming militia channel. Sadly, I just don't think some of the other FW corps did the same or individual FW pilots didn't care enough to vote. Sucks. . |
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Super Seriously Strong Cheddar
5
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Posted - 2012.03.24 18:24:00 -
[742] - Quote
Congrats to you, Hans |
Zathryon
Amarr General Drilling and Construction
9
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Posted - 2012.03.24 18:33:00 -
[743] - Quote
gratz hans |
Grumpy Owly
387
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Posted - 2012.03.24 18:46:00 -
[744] - Quote
Congrats Hans. Bounty Hunting for CSM7
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
306
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Posted - 2012.03.24 18:47:00 -
[745] - Quote
Yes, of course, just about everyone in faction war wishes he made it in the top 7.
But in fact it won't make *any* difference. He will still be able to participate and he will still be the only one who can speak from extensive experience about faction war. Elise Randolf is the only other person who I think has any significant experience with it, and I think he is likely after the same things Hans is after.
So the fact that he is in the bottom seven I don't think will make any difference.
No one knew who he was 6 months ago compared to many of the more common eve personalities that couldn't get the same votes he did. Hans ran soley on his actual ideas. I think getting the votes he did speaks loads for the strength his ideas and the grassroots player support for them. CCP will be intelligent enough to listen.
Go Hans! Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
44
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:55:00 -
[746] - Quote
Hans come withing a few dozen votes of a first-7 place and that's a achievement against a field as strong as the CSM7 election. Even without a seat in Iceland, I'm sure he'll be an able and productive advocate. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2134
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Posted - 2012.03.24 21:49:00 -
[747] - Quote
WE DID IT!!!
Thanks everyone for all your support, how exciting it will be to represent you all on the CSM in the year ahead of us.
I'm completely prepared to hit the ground running here, we have a very short window before Inferno is upon us. I'll be NDA-ing myself up here as soon as possible so please start eve-mailing me your concerns, feedback, and ideas, and I'll do my best to make sure you all have a voice before its too late! I will be keeping an eye on the relevant threads of course as well.
Congratulations to the other CSM7 members, it looks like we have a lot of talent on the team and I honestly believe this will be one of the most productive CSM's of all time. We have CCP back on the right track with even more dedicated developers refocused on to EVE proper, and I plan to take full advantage of this along with the rest of the council.
I hope everyone is enjoying themselves at FanFest, and for those that aren't be sure to stay up late tonight for the keynote speech if you weren't watching the LiveStream! I was at work unfortunately all day, so I missed the CSM7 announcement and all the surrounding excitement, thanks to those in #tweetfleet for keeping me informed despite me being unable to respond.
Everyone, raise your glasses tonight around the world, wherever you are, its time to celebrate! We have a lot of work ahead of us.... Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Macon Chalaise
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.03.24 23:15:00 -
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Congratulations sir! Here's to fire. Not the fast and furious kind that burns down shacks and shanties, but the slow, seductive kind that takes down pants and panties - Irish Toast |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1980
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Posted - 2012.03.25 00:18:00 -
[749] - Quote
Well done, Hans. I look forward to working with you, and then screwing you over in the next elections... The Polls are open! Click here to vote for Trebor *-áMy Election Thread * Voter's Guide |
Roh Voleto
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2012.03.25 00:19:00 -
[750] - Quote
Congratulations, Hans. I am happy to see a strong voice for Empire PvP in the CSM. |
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Silath Slyver Silverpine
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.03.25 01:20:00 -
[751] - Quote
Congrats man. Extremely pleased to see you made it in!
From what I saw on the fanfest stream it looks like your platform was the right one to support. The iterations on faction warfare AND the (hopefully) upcoming revision of the 'infinite loop' of harvesting, production, and kabooms. The harvesting and production parts are in dire need of some love, so hopefully after Inferno we can get some of that.
Congratulations again, do us proud. |
Temba Ronin
155
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Posted - 2012.03.25 03:12:00 -
[752] - Quote
Gratz Hans, one of the most important reasons i supported you is because i felt no matter how the voting ended up you would remain a strong voice for all the players, esppecially those who do not participate in the power blocs!
Your post election comments have reinforced my opinion, i will work harder and longer to get you re-elected in CSM8. To be an unknown commodity 6 months ago and in the top 14 on election day was a hell of a jump. Good luck in helping shape the future of the game we all enjoy!
Power To The Players! |
Heredom
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
1
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Posted - 2012.03.25 04:13:00 -
[753] - Quote
Congratulations for the feat! Now always remember this word: constituent Have a good term, same to all new CSM7 members with or without a chair Done, signature edited with perfection!... |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
77
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:44:00 -
[754] - Quote
Congrats mate! You're the most level headed candidate out there and you deserved to get in!! Make us proud,sir! O7 |
Vaurion Infara
Beyond Divinity Inc Excuses.
24
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Posted - 2012.03.25 16:54:00 -
[755] - Quote
Congratulations Hans. You're the first vote in a CSM for many people that I know, for a reason. Do us proud.
MickeyFinn > Fyi Vaurion Infara is a bad apple in a bunch of good ones. Dont let his big mouth and moods bring you down! If anyone lives near him RL get him LAID! would help him a ton. Fly safe and gods speed. |
Ersteen Hofs
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.03.26 01:21:00 -
[756] - Quote
What are you congratulating with? He is not even going to Iceland (unless 2 of top 7 fail to attend for some reason but then we also get the AAA guy). |
SigmaPi
Valkyr Industries Late Night Alliance
14
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Posted - 2012.03.26 01:43:00 -
[757] - Quote
Ersteen Hofs wrote:What are you congratulating with? He is not even going to Iceland (unless 2 of top 7 fail to attend for some reason but then we also get the AAA guy).
You must have a low IQ. |
None ofthe Above
136
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:57:00 -
[758] - Quote
Ersteen Hofs wrote:What are you congratulating with? He is not even going to Iceland (unless 2 of top 7 fail to attend for some reason but then we also get the AAA guy).
Thank you goon alt. Continuing the current campaign to minimize all other members of the CSM I see. As if the chairmanship was the only thing that mattered.
The modern CSM isn't just about the trip to Iceland.
I am expecting our hardworking Hans can get a lot of good done with access to the CSM forums, CSM+Dev Skype channels, and access to NDAed materials. After all he got his proposals on FW presented by CSM to CCP without even being on the council.
So yes, congrats Hans. We all hoped to get you into the top 7. Sadly we fell short of that, but you are on the CSM and look forward to seeing what you can do.
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
524
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:59:00 -
[759] - Quote
Ersteen Hofs wrote:What are you congratulating with? He is not even going to Iceland (unless 2 of top 7 fail to attend for some reason but then we also get the AAA guy). -a- for life |
None ofthe Above
136
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Posted - 2012.03.26 04:08:00 -
[760] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Ersteen Hofs wrote:What are you congratulating with? He is not even going to Iceland (unless 2 of top 7 fail to attend for some reason but then we also get the AAA guy). -a- for life
Post with your alt. Ban PC Corps.
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
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Sui'Djin
Black Rise Guerilla Forces
1
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:24:00 -
[761] - Quote
Cheers Hans, glad you made it in |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
247
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:45:00 -
[762] - Quote
no troll question now that you've been elected, there's a small matter of formality are you a wis incarna space barbie lover lisping emote lover? a simple no would do, thank you. wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
Hailey Sunweaver
MAFIA PlAYGROUND.
4
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:48:00 -
[763] - Quote
Gratz Hanz glad to see you made it even if it's not in the top 7. Good to see a FW / Low-sec person on the CSM. Best of luck in your upcomming term. |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
180
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:01:00 -
[764] - Quote
Taiwanistan wrote:no troll question now that you've been elected, there's a small matter of formality are you a wis incarna space barbie lover lisping emote lover? a simple no would do, thank you.
I sometimes hear Justin Beiber in the background of his mic, so there is the distinct possibility that he is a space barbie lover that wants to /dance all over his captain's quarters. Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2178
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Posted - 2012.03.28 08:34:00 -
[765] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:no troll question now that you've been elected, there's a small matter of formality are you a wis incarna space barbie lover lisping emote lover? a simple no would do, thank you. I sometimes hear Justin Beiber in the background of his mic, so there is the distinct possibility that he is a space barbie lover that wants to /dance all over his captain's quarters.
It's actually Robyn, not Bieber. Show some 'spect to the Swedish pop goddess! Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Grumpy Owly
435
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Posted - 2012.03.28 10:55:00 -
[766] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:no troll question now that you've been elected, there's a small matter of formality are you a wis incarna space barbie lover lisping emote lover? a simple no would do, thank you. I sometimes hear Justin Beiber in the background of his mic, so there is the distinct possibility that he is a space barbie lover that wants to /dance all over his captain's quarters. It's actually Robyn, not Bieber. Show some 'spect to the Swedish pop goddess!
Of course with the door preventing pilots from entering dangerous areas of the station it is very likely he will be dancing on his own of course.
Considering EvE dancefloors I think you'd need more than Glowsticks to keep yourself protected, so maybe some work needs to be done here first? Bounty Hunting for CSM7
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
50
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Posted - 2012.03.28 11:53:00 -
[767] - Quote
Robyn is bad-ass! |
Tiberius Murderhorne
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
6
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Posted - 2012.03.28 13:05:00 -
[768] - Quote
Veshta Yoshida wrote:Robyn is bad-ass!
I was in the crowed at Glastonbury 2011 went she tripped out and went mental at the sound man... I was waiting for the streets really but it was a good show!
also good job Hans, shame you didn't come higher, just shows how many people actually care about faction war... kinda sad... hopefully that will all change soon....
Cheers Tib CCP Fix Faction War!! - Soo much potential! sooo much awesome! Sort it!
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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
49
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Posted - 2012.03.29 00:30:00 -
[769] - Quote
hans for csm7 |
Vaurion Infara
Beyond Divinity Inc Excuses.
25
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:07:00 -
[770] - Quote
One down... one more CSM bites the dust, and our boy Hans is in the hotseat.
MickeyFinn > Fyi Vaurion Infara is a bad apple in a bunch of good ones. Dont let his big mouth and moods bring you down! If anyone lives near him RL get him LAID! would help him a ton. Fly safe and gods speed. |
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2237
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Posted - 2012.03.29 05:59:00 -
[771] - Quote
Vaurion Infara wrote:One down... one more CSM bites the dust, and our boy Hans is in the hotseat.
I did NOT just hear this....I have no interest in being the Tanya Harding of CSM7!
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace
485
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Posted - 2012.04.17 12:55:00 -
[772] - Quote
http://hansshotfirst.blogspot.com/2012/04/week-one.html
Good stuff, Hans. Glad to see you on board! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3375
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Posted - 2012.04.17 19:23:00 -
[773] - Quote
Roime wrote:http://hansshotfirst.blogspot.com/2012/04/week-one.html
Good stuff, Hans. Glad to see you on board!
It's extremely refreshing to read some productive, constructive, professional words after all the ~rabble rabble~ that has infested this forum for the last few weeks. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
102
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Posted - 2012.04.17 21:54:00 -
[774] - Quote
Roime wrote:http://hansshotfirst.blogspot.com/2012/04/week-one.html
Good stuff, Hans. Glad to see you on board! Glad my votes were well spent, even if my play-style is much different. "Fun fact: carebears are not necessary for the game to function." --áTippia |
Seamus MacMartin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.04.19 00:15:00 -
[775] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Vaurion Infara wrote:One down... one more CSM bites the dust, and our boy Hans is in the hotseat. I did NOT just hear this....I have no interest in being the Tanya Harding of CSM7!
Better Tonya Harding than say, John Bobbitt...just saying.
"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength." --áEric Hoffer
"A warrior may choose pacifism. Others are condemned to it." - Unknown |
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