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Voculus
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Posted - 2008.04.01 14:55:00 -
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 Originally by: maralt
The seers of truth were not in QY6, but I know I'm right.
Were there 8 Titans in QY6? You claim to know how to survive 8 Titans in nothing bigger than a battleship, and we're all waiting with a bated breath for you to actually present some plausible scenario in which that could happen.
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.04.01 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: maralt on 01/04/2008 15:03:54
Originally by: Voculus
Originally by: maralt
The seers of truth were not in QY6, but I know I'm right.
Were there 8 Titans in QY6? You claim to know how to survive 8 Titans in nothing bigger than a battleship, and we're all waiting with a bated breath for you to actually present some plausible scenario in which that could happen.
1. Ive made no such claim about a non capital ship surviving 8 DDD.
2. The op has screenies of 8 titans in QY6 or at least that is the claim.
3. If your resorting to alt insults i suggest you head to caod.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
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Posted - 2008.04.01 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Traeon
Point accepted about warping out and frigates.. but on the other hand, what would be so bad about a tanked frig surviving a doomsday?
Frigates are dead easy to replace, what's wrong with them being blown up? ;)
And anyway, frigates aren't supposed to tank. Their defense is speed and agility, no?
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
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Posted - 2008.04.01 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Dianabolic on 01/04/2008 15:15:14
Originally by: xttz
Originally by: Dianabolic
And, a frigate has a more than ample defense against a doomsday. It's 15seconds to warp out before it goes off.
Do you think it could possibly be a case of ill thought-out game design when anyone not in a capital ship needs to spend their battle warping in and out of the grid on command? How much can sub-capital pilots possibly contribute when faced with a doomsday every 7.5 minutes? What about every 3 minutes? Every 30 seconds?
We both know it will reach that point one day.
xttz, please, if you're going to refer to my posts I would appreciate it if you could read the posts I've made previously.
Yes, I do think warping in and out is appropriate. Situational awareness is what being an fc is all about.
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Voculus
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.04.01 15:23:00 -
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OK maralt, let's go back to the OP:
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The game is broken. Nothing can counter eight Titans.
NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL.
No subcapital can tank more than two doomsdays. You cannot pin down a Titan with a heavy dictor because three of his buddies will simply doomsday the heavy dictors away. You cannot have waves of ships ready because then can just continuously doomsday your support away. You cannot siege towers. You cannot repair towers. You cannot jump through a gate. You cannot jump bridge in. You cannot log in. You cannot DO ANYTHING AT ALL.
I think he made his case. The case to be made in opposition to this claim, has not yet been made! As for alt-posting CAOD insults, I'm doing nothing of the sort. You're likely a BoB alt, and your counter-arguments are merely motivated by your desire to hold space and fill your killboard. You can hide your identity behind an alt, but not your motives.
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.04.01 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Voculus
OK maralt, let's go back to the OP:
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The game is broken. Nothing can counter eight Titans.
NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL.
No subcapital can tank more than two doomsdays. You cannot pin down a Titan with a heavy dictor because three of his buddies will simply doomsday the heavy dictors away. You cannot have waves of ships ready because then can just continuously doomsday your support away. You cannot siege towers. You cannot repair towers. You cannot jump through a gate. You cannot jump bridge in. You cannot log in. You cannot DO ANYTHING AT ALL.
I think he made his case. The case to be made in opposition to this claim, has not yet been made! As for alt-posting CAOD insults, I'm doing nothing of the sort. You're likely a BoB alt, and your counter-arguments are merely motivated by your desire to hold space and fill your killboard. You can hide your identity behind an alt, but not your motives.
Here is post 188 you must have missed it:
You need plenty of tacklers in reserve either cloaked on grid out of range of the DDD or in a safe spot/pos ready to warp in and replace a pal who gets popped. You need to to use capitals to take out the titans with the dreads doing damage and the carriers to be nos/nut and bumping the titans. The conventional fleet can either engage the oppositions hostile fleet or not depending on how the oppositions fleet is positioned for example they may not wish to DDD their own BS fleet or the BS fleet may be far enough away from the titans to get a position that is outside DDD range. Now this idea is workable without having a titan of your own but if you did have one or two you could easily pop the oppositions BS fleet and own the field.
The issue here is that the ppl with capital fleets, titans and conventional fleets big enough to plan such a campaign do not have the balls to do it because of the risk involved to there own high value ships so they are crying to CCP for a nerf so they can kill them in easy mode.
Nuff said.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2008.04.01 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Voculus
OK maralt, let's go back to the OP:
Quote:
The game is broken. Nothing can counter eight Titans.
NOTHING. NOTHING AT ALL.
No subcapital can tank more than two doomsdays. You cannot pin down a Titan with a heavy dictor because three of his buddies will simply doomsday the heavy dictors away. You cannot have waves of ships ready because then can just continuously doomsday your support away. You cannot siege towers. You cannot repair towers. You cannot jump through a gate. You cannot jump bridge in. You cannot log in. You cannot DO ANYTHING AT ALL.
I think he made his case. The case to be made in opposition to this claim, has not yet been made! As for alt-posting CAOD insults, I'm doing nothing of the sort. You're likely a BoB alt, and your counter-arguments are merely motivated by your desire to hold space and fill your killboard. You can hide your identity behind an alt, but not your motives.
To be honest, I've purposely ignored the OP and just engaged in the rest of the thread.
Why?
Because maralt (god help us) is quite correct. Anyone dumb enough to fall for EIGHT (or any number above one) doomsdays is indeed an idiot and doesn't deserve to win.
And my motive isn't to "pad the killboard", it's to counter pathetic arguments that ARE made out of "whaaambulances".
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maralt
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Posted - 2008.04.01 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Because maralt (god help us) is quite correct.
WOW saving this printing and sticking to fridge with my girls allowed magnets .
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Voculus
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.04.01 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Anyone dumb enough to fall for EIGHT (or any number above one) doomsdays is indeed an idiot and doesn't deserve to win.
And my motive isn't to "pad the killboard", it's to counter pathetic arguments that ARE made out of "whaaambulances".
That's not an argument. That's your typical brand of CAOD-style rabble-rousing. Do you have any other material? I could say that people caught cheating and sworn to secrecy by CCP of their prior knowledge of ingame events don't deserve to win.
Maralt, first off, let's dispense with the notion that anything in Eve takes balls. Firefighting takes balls. Being a rifelman in the Marines takes balls. Sitting in fornt of a computer, playing a game does not.
Secondly, your plan of action is pure folly. You can't warp a fleet, especially in a laggy system near 8 Titans, and have them survive. There will be no NOS, no neutralizing, and no bumping. There will be just killmails, followed by more killmails of the opposing capitals who just lost their support. What difference does it make if you have a wave in reserve? The Titan support will be aligned at speed, and will warp out as soon as the enemy reserves show up again. Said fleet will be cooked before they can even target anything. They'll simply be vaporized with the push of a single button, as well. You could have yet another reserve waiting in the wings, and guess what happens to them?
Is there anything in all that not being made clear enough?
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
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Posted - 2008.04.01 16:41:00 -
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Ah, that little chestnut. My greatest non-quote ever.
A shame you've ignored the rest of the discussion, but hey, what else can we expect for those inept enough to feel that way 
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
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Posted - 2008.04.01 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Voculus
...especially in a laggy system...
You can leave this thread now.
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maralt
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Posted - 2008.04.01 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: maralt on 01/04/2008 16:52:19
Originally by: Voculus
Secondly, your plan of action is pure folly. You can't warp a fleet, especially in a laggy system near 8 Titans, and have them survive.
There will be no NOS, no neutralizing, and no bumping. There will be just killmails, followed by more killmails of the opposing capitals who just lost their support.
What difference does it make if you have a wave in reserve? The Titan support will be aligned at speed, and will warp out as soon as the enemy reserves show up again. Said fleet will be cooked before they can even target anything. They'll simply be vaporized with the push of a single button, as well. You could have yet another reserve waiting in the wings, and guess what happens to them?
Is there anything in all that not being made clear enough?
1. The only thing that is not clear is your comprehension of what i clearly wrote now i will give you the benefit of the doubt and say your ignorance is not deliberate and give you a clue with the rest of my post.
2. I clearly state that the conventional fleet should not be warped in range of the titans (unless ofc the hostile fleet is stationary or bubbled) or in a position that can be engaged out of range of the DDD.
3. You get lag with or without titans so if as you say the hostile support fleet has warped off for what ever reason it is a cap vs cap fight until they warp back in (to the same lag btw) and so do your conventional ships.
4. Your entire whine about titans relies on the FC leading your fleet being a suicidal moron who warps his conventional ships well into range of the titans DDD and getting multiple DDD's in his face so in that case i suggest you remove him and get a new one cos he sucks.
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Voculus
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Posted - 2008.04.01 16:51:00 -
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As usual, Dianabolic, you're a complete waste of time to even talk to. Dogs have higher powers of reasoning and logic than you.
Maralt, I will say this: In any engagement where no Titans are present, then what you say is 100% correct. There are a great many tools available to the opposing FCs in order to turn the tide of the battle their way. What the Doomsday Weapon does, is render those options null and void. When you factor in 8 Titans, or even 20, becuase that day is coming, then attacking that force is an exercise in futility.
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Voculus
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Posted - 2008.04.01 16:54:00 -
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2. I clearly state that the conventional fleet should not warped in range of the titans unless ofc the hostile fleet is stationary or bubbled or in a position that can be engaged out of range of the DDD.
What if your target or targets are closely guarded by multiple Titans? Go home? Log out?
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maralt
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Posted - 2008.04.01 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Voculus
As usual, Dianabolic, you're a complete waste of time to even talk to. Dogs have higher powers of reasoning and logic than you.
Maralt, I will say this: In any engagement where no Titans are present, then what you say is 100% correct. There are a great many tools available to the opposing FCs in order to turn the tide of the battle their way. What the Doomsday Weapon does, is render those options null and void. When you factor in 8 Titans, or even 20, becuase that day is coming, then attacking that force is an exercise in futility.
i suggest you tell your FC to read point 2 and 4 of my last post or replace him.
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.04.01 16:59:00 -
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Edited by: maralt on 01/04/2008 17:04:14
Originally by: Voculus
Quote:
2. I clearly state that the conventional fleet should not warped in range of the titans unless ofc the hostile fleet is stationary or bubbled or in a position that can be engaged out of range of the DDD.
What if your target or targets are closely guarded by multiple Titans? Go home? Log out?
1. I had no idea that dreads had to fight at uber close range bud i mean im sure they can hit at max range easily with the correct fittings and thus forcing the defending support to move closer as only a few bs in the game can do the max snipe range. Also if the supporting dreads move in close to fight your now long range dreads your support fleet can engage them well out of range of the DDD.
2. Bubble the hostile conventional fleet forcing the titan to pop his own fleet if he wants to pop yours.
3. Use your own titan to pop the bubbled conventional fleet .
Any other questions or do you still wanna play in easy mode?.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.01 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Voculus
As usual, Dianabolic, you're a complete waste of time to even talk to. Dogs have higher powers of reasoning and logic than you.
Now who's got the caod in 'em?
Keep it up, Voculus, you can sit next to those whom are whining because they can't think of a way round a problem, so want the problem changed to suit them.
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Voculus
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.04.01 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: maralt
Any other questions?.
Yes, actually. Why are you assuming such a simplistic view of fleet warfare, and why are you not taking into account, the rest of the Titan support not doing anything in the fight? You don't think with inties and covert ships, that the Titan gang could not assume positions around the enemy capitals in order to sufficiently cover all the angles from which their support may warp in?
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Kagura Nikon
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Posted - 2008.04.01 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: maralt
Edited by: maralt on 01/04/2008 17:04:14
Originally by: Voculus
Quote:
2. I clearly state that the conventional fleet should not warped in range of the titans unless ofc the hostile fleet is stationary or bubbled or in a position that can be engaged out of range of the DDD.
What if your target or targets are closely guarded by multiple Titans? Go home? Log out?
1. I had no idea that dreads had to fight at uber close range bud i mean im sure they can hit at max range easily with the correct fittings and thus forcing the defending support to move closer as only a few bs in the game can do the max snipe range. Also if the supporting dreads move in close to fight your now long range dreads your support fleet can engage them well out of range of the DDD.
2. Bubble the hostile conventional fleet forcing the titan to pop his own fleet if he wants to pop yours.
3. Use your own titan to pop the bubbled conventional fleet.
Any other questions or do you still wanna play in easy mode?.
What DREADs? You have no dreads until you explode the jammer that is guarded by 8 titans.
The only way to deal with that is bring such a blob that even the titans lag to omuch to ge server respnse when they DD. In other words... crappy metagamming.
Yes warping out should be the solution, problem is, its impossible since the game cannot handle 100 ships warping out at same time without a 10-20 sec lag when there are other 200 ships in system as well. And don't tell me then don bring so many ships, because the defenders alone are enough to make the node crawl.
What I never understood is, why DD always seems unaffected by server lag?
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maralt
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Posted - 2008.04.01 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: maralt
Originally by: Voculus
Quote:
2. I clearly state that the conventional fleet should not warped in range of the titans unless ofc the hostile fleet is stationary or bubbled or in a position that can be engaged out of range of the DDD.
What if your target or targets are closely guarded by multiple Titans? Go home? Log out?
1. I had no idea that dreads had to fight at uber close range bud i mean im sure they can hit at max range easily with the correct fittings and thus forcing the defending support to move closer as only a few bs in the game can do the max snipe range. Also if the supporting dreads move in close to fight your now long range dreads your support fleet can engage them well out of range of the DDD.
2. Bubble the hostile conventional fleet forcing the titan to pop his own fleet if he wants to pop yours.
3. Use your own titan to pop the bubbled conventional fleet.
Any other questions or do you still wanna play in easy mode?.
What DREADs? You have no dreads until you explode the jammer that is guarded by 8 titans.
Read the op and understand that this is the multiple titan thread not the jammer thread as it was started due to the assault on QY6.
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Kagura Nikon
Infinity Enterprises
Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.04.01 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
Nope, after having been DD'd a few times, people in conventional ships learn to stay away.
Ie. blobbing - is - prevented!
These people will find something else to do while the caps slug it out (ie. don't give me the lame excuse that they'll quit because of it).....
WRONG! People don't stay away because they cannot simply sit and wait their stations to be lost. They will thrown frigates if needed. So no Blobs are NEVER solved. You sound like someone that have never been on such fights. Because what you describe don't happen.
And again, you have ONLY support ships because enemy has a cyno jammer!!!
And leaving is not a crap excuse , I know at least 3 persons that are rl friends that left game because of exactly this titan bullexcrement
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maralt
The seers of truth
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Posted - 2008.04.01 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Voculus
Originally by: maralt
Any other questions?.
Yes, actually. Why are you assuming such a simplistic view of fleet warfare, and why are you not taking into account, the rest of the Titan support not doing anything in the fight? You don't think with inties and covert ships, that the Titan gang could not assume positions around the enemy capitals in order to sufficiently cover all the angles from which their support may warp in?
EDIT: I see you added the jab about "Easy mode". Tell me how pressing a single key, wiping out an entire enemy fleet is NOT easy mode? You and your mates are the ones pushing for that - not me.
If the titan support moves away from the titans it can be engaged by the friendly support, if the "titan gang" moves around the attacking cap fleet they cannot drop 8 DDD in the same 250km radius making the op's point mute anyway.
Look the in and out of this are full of what ifs but the fact remains that the op's "invincible multi titan" crap relies of the conventional fleet warping into range of the titans and sitting still, in other words being totally stupid.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2008.04.01 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Dianabolic on 01/04/2008 17:27:55
Seems to me people are upset about HAVING to lose ships to "finish" an enemy.
Gotta say, that's pretty funny.
And weak.
Yes, one system with 8 titans (or more, whatever) is obviously a critical system to the defender.
Right?
They're putting upwards of a trillion isk in ships (if you include the support fleet) on the line to defend it and, pending no other target you can attack (because you've pinned the enemy in to ONE system... right?) you either have to throw yourselves on the sword and die trying, or just contain the enemy.
Sounds like eve as it should be, tbh, make your choice.
(and yet, I still don't like titans dd doing "damage" and have made numerous suggestions to change it).
Go figure.
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maralt
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Posted - 2008.04.01 17:32:00 -
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Edited by: maralt on 01/04/2008 17:34:09
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Kerfira
Nope, after having been DD'd a few times, people in conventional ships learn to stay away.
Ie. blobbing - is - prevented!
WRONG!
You should have stopped there cos it went down hill after that.
Blobbing/huge scale fleet ops will always be part of eve but the titan forces the blobs/fleets to be fitted correctly, use reserves of tacklers and other ships and also to maneuver there assets properly in order to avoid the weaker ships getting DDD'd. In other words use a more tactical approach to huge scale fleet ops instead of optimal range blob spamming.
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Kagura Nikon
Infinity Enterprises
Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.04.01 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: maralt
Edited by: maralt on 01/04/2008 17:34:09
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Kerfira
Nope, after having been DD'd a few times, people in conventional ships learn to stay away.
Ie. blobbing - is - prevented!
WRONG!
You should have stopped there cos it went down hill after that.
Blobbing/huge scale fleet ops will always be part of eve but the titan forces the blobs/fleets to be fitted correctly, use reserves of tacklers and other ships and also to maneuver there assets properly in order to avoid the weaker ships getting DDD'd. In other words use a more tactical approach to huge scale fleet ops instead of optimal range blob spamming.
and all those just increase the size of the blob. So i am right that he is wrong. Blobs do not diminish blob, just make more ships needed so more blobs more lag more all of the bad part of eve.
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maralt
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Posted - 2008.04.01 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: maralt on 01/04/2008 17:45:36
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: maralt
Edited by: maralt on 01/04/2008 17:34:09
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Kerfira
Nope, after having been DD'd a few times, people in conventional ships learn to stay away.
Ie. blobbing - is - prevented!
WRONG!
You should have stopped there cos it went down hill after that.
Blobbing/huge scale fleet ops will always be part of eve but the titan forces the blobs/fleets to be fitted correctly, use reserves of tacklers and other ships and also to maneuver there assets properly in order to avoid the weaker ships getting DDD'd. In other words use a more tactical approach to huge scale fleet ops instead of optimal range blob spamming.
and all those just increase the size of the blob. So i am right that he is wrong. Blobs do not diminish blob, just make more ships needed so more blobs more lag more all of the bad part of eve.
PPL will always want or try to bring more ships whether titans are around or not, titans just make them bring better and play better.
PS the jammer and lag threads are elsewhere.
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Posted - 2008.04.01 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: ElCoCo on 01/04/2008 20:28:52
Titans are fine, lag is the problem. Not kidding 
What else could we have? A limitation of X DDD's on a certain grid for Y period of time? Never gonna happen as one side would simply exploit that.
Now how about fixing that frickin overview... can't believe you're arguing about titans when basic things don't work .
edit: by lag I mean what few ways you have of countering them (like multiple carriers with remote reps on heavy dictors and so on) can't be utilised.
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Posted - 2008.04.01 21:00:00 -
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lol
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Kerfira
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.04.01 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 01/04/2008 21:12:24
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Kerfira
Nope, after having been DD'd a few times, people in conventional ships learn to stay away.
Ie. blobbing - is - prevented!
These people will find something else to do while the caps slug it out (ie. don't give me the lame excuse that they'll quit because of it).....
WRONG! People don't stay away because they cannot simply sit and wait their stations to be lost. They will thrown frigates if needed. So no Blobs are NEVER solved. You sound like someone that have never been on such fights. Because what you describe don't happen.
And again, you have ONLY support ships because enemy has a cyno jammer!!!
Your arguments are illogical and contradictory.
You say that people will show up because their stations might be lost.
Then you go on to say that the enemy (with titans) has a cyno jammer...
Ehem, if someone is in danger of loosing a station, that means they have sovereignty. If THEY have sov, then the enemy can't have a cyno jammer.
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
And leaving is not a crap excuse , I know at least 3 persons that are rl friends that left game because of exactly this titan bullexcrement
And I know at least seven-eleventy friends who left exactly because of the lag-blobbing titans are meant to prevent. Stupid argument!!!
To all the ones who whine about 'cyno-jammer + eleventy titans'.....
What stupid fools for FC's or alliance/corp leaders do you have?
You don't attack a cyno-jammed system when your enemy is prepared for it. You wait until the system is not defended well, hit hard and fast, disable the cyno-jammer, then hold the system while killing the POS.
So you may have to wait a week, maybe a month for that to occur, but so what?
Nobody will sit in a defensive position 23/7 for weeks on end, so you'll get your chance eventually.....
To refer back to this weekends demonstration of exactly this.
BoB waited until Goons/Allies were tired of guarding QY6. Struck fast and hard, disabled the cyno-jammer and then proceeded to kill the POS in system. At any time could Goons/Allies have counterattacked and cyno'd in enough caps/titans/conventional ships to defend the system (cyno-jammer was down, remember). Also, at any time could they have proceeded to NOL and done exactly the same to BoB as BoB were doing to them.
Perfect example that a cyno-jammer + titan defence can be easily broken and is only viable if an attack is expected within a short timeframe.
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EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Posted - 2008.04.01 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
Your arguments are illogical and contradictory.
You say that people will show up because their stations might be lost.
Then you go on to say that the enemy (with titans) has a cyno jammer...
Ehem, if someone is in danger of loosing a station, that means they have sovereignty. If THEY have sov, then the enemy can't have a cyno jammer.
You're an idiot. The best defense is good offense. If you can't attack your enemy (at all, because this is what happens with a cynojammer and Titans) then he can sit around pushing his button and attack at his leisure (because he has the option of offlining the cyno jammer to get Titans in/out of the system and/or using jump bridges to accomplish the same).
But you know what's best of all here? Even when not in his own systems, the enemy has still accomplish the rather neat effect of ensuring that the game is STILL capitals online because those 8 Titans are going to wipe out anything that's not a capital. They are also then going to let a support fleet wipe out the capitals because those carriers are certainly not going to be deploying any fighters whatsoever, and none of those Titans is going to be able to be tackled.
So it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference where the enemy is, 8 Titans is pretty much unstoppable regardless of who's doorstep they show up on.
Kerfira, STOP POSTING you're either an epic BoB alt troll or really have absolutely no idea how this game plays in 0.0. It's entirely possible there would be other options were there no lag. LAG is a fact of the game however. LAG is - get this - the number 1 reason to blob, because any strategy more complicated is quickly destroyed by lag. Lag is a result of blobs, POSs, dreads in seige for some reason. Jesus, I've desynced in a carrier with only 30 on grid and been in trouble thanks to a deathstar opening up on me all guns. Fact of the game: LAG. EVERY single strategy faces the litmus test of does it work better then an assload of lagged ships? The answer is, no.
But you know, I'm sure all your empire experience with the UoC makes you well versed in this subject.
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