Originally by: Zloy Dragon

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link not working

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Originally by: Sophie Daigneau

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Awesome work. 100m isk sent as a big thank your for doing this.

My initial feedback:
Allow an ability to highlight and set the ME levels of multiple items at once. Going through hundreds of items in the item list is a pain.

Also can you double check your build costs formula? Some of the build costs aren't scaling properly when doing a multiple run job. I couldn't accurately test the shopping list feature, but is your app smart enough to know if I add 150 units of a module, that's really 15x 10-run jobs and not a 1x 150-run job?

edit: One other thing that isn't apparent is the total cost per item. Its nice to have this number shown so you can calculate a floor sales price.

edit2: Ok, one more request, have the app default to the best profit decrypter and/or the ability to save the decrypter used for each item type. You already have the ability to set defaults for ships/modules/rigs, but even within ships the same decrypter isn't going to be used for all ship types.

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Originally by: Seetesh

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Woo excellent stuff, lets all send him isk! :)

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Originally by: IronPants

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Edited by: IronPants on 07/04/2008 16:42:40
unfortantely it says that invention costs for 6 attempts with a decrpytor costs 995 million isk

(Should be 6*8.5M for decyrptor + 6* ~8M for datacores so 99.5M might be right but 995M is off by 10)

Any clue where to check to verify what went wrong?

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Originally by: Donde Esta

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Hope this hasn't been discussed already, but exactly what number do you use for your eve-central query? Is it game average, a regional average, a system lowest sell, etc?

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Originally by: pulse1976

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Has anyone managed to import their character skills via the API? I can't seem to get mine to work!

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Originally by: Donde Esta

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You can update by a particular region, or even system. Check the developers page on eve-central.

I'm doing that in my tool, that looks suspiciously like yours, although not as polished, and/or complicated :)

Nice job.

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Originally by: Arous Drephius

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In case you want to run this program under Linux (and can't be bothered to compile it), I can confirm that it works by running it under Wine.

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Originally by: Sophie Daigneau

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Another feature request: Include the total build time on the shopping list and the items to manufacture page.

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Originally by: Skizm

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For invention it also helped to change the price of my data interfaces manually, ie set to 0.

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Originally by: Skizm

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To the creator, very nice tool! Ive always been afraid to take too close a look at the actual cost of getting a bpc, this made me do so.

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Originally by: Maxim K

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Feature suggestion: add information about relevant skills for invention and production (more importantly).

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Originally by: Abinadi

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PS - check your time for copy of Freighters... if I read it correctly you think it takes 4D to copy a freighter BPO. Which isn't even close.

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Originally by: Taikun

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Your contemporaries in the market forums are selling services/tools like yours for upwards of 500 million per customer.

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Originally by: Burchov

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Thanks, I know it's possible from EVE-Central, so it shouldn't be too hard. It however does require that the application knows all regions and their IDs, and there's the issue of caching. If you select the wrong region, you'll be stuck for 24 hours with the wrong prices.

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Originally by: Burchov

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2) I don't like to scam people (by asking giant piles of isk for relatively simple calculations).

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Originally by: Nyphur

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Careful, Lyrus. You just called me a scammer and I doubt James Lyrus would agree with that accusation. How is James doing, anyway? I haven't spoken to him in months.

If people are willing to pay 500m for a spreadsheet and help with their eve business, there is absolutely nothing wrong with providing it. Three people have purchased spreadsheets from me so far on two separate businesses (one exclusive sale for POS reactions and two non-exclusive sales for T2 component production). None of those customers have had any complaints with their purchase and no dishonesty was intentionally employed to make sales. I find it very hard to believe that anyone could call that a scam with a straight face.

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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Any chance you could change the .rar file so it contains an empty api folder? There's no reason a user should need to add this themselves.

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Originally by: Burchov

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True, it clearly is not a scam as you do provide what you promise. I apologize for that. It was just a strong reaction to what I think is a very high price for a spreadsheet. But if you have buyers who are willing to pay 500m for it, you're probably doing something right.

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Originally by: Naias

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But the build times seem off.

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Originally by: Naias

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The skills that I entered seem to reset randomly which is the cause for the build time discrepancies.

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Originally by: Estat

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Feature suggestion: Save API information.

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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Sorry to hear about the injury - hope it heals.

A clarification: when calculating build time in relation to the idea above, for one invention cycle it should be computed as (invention success rate) * [time to build one run of the T2 output (at the PE level given by using that type of decryptor)] * number of runs per successful invention attempt, perhaps with the option to include the time taken to build the T1 input item (this can be quite significant with certain items).

Also, instead of prompting the user to select the ME level used, determine it automatically from the decryptor. A couple of little known conventions that apply here:

* For ships, only T2 components and minerals are affected by the negative ME multiplier
* For all other items, only minerals are affected by negative ME; T2 components are not

Finally, since the app is already gathering all the relevant information, why not list of the profitability of building T1 items, with the same columns and the option to filter them? This would be much simpler than working out the same numbers for the T2 versions.

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Originally by: pulse1976

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Feature suggestion: Print!! Can we have a print button so that I can print off the items needed for manufacture?? Pretty please?

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Originally by: Captain Agemman

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The "items to buy" seem to always calculate with a 1.0 material waste installation.

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Originally by: Mioelnir

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Shopping List Image

That is the supposed shopping list for 18 Rapiers at ME-6 in a station.

Electrolytic Capacitor Units, Nuclear Reactor Units and Plasma Thrusters are each 9 units short of what is really needed, the other components list the right amounts.

Some weirdo rounding bug maybe?

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Originally by: Donde Esta

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Burchov,

Did you get a chance to look into the importing regions/ids stuff, and limit the price queries to specific regions or systems?

Thanks, great tool.

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Originally by: Roxanna Kell

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You are insane.

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To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Shar Tegral

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If I could make a future suggestion... perhaps have the "shopping lists" copyable to the clipboard. Make it easier when directing someone to get such and such items or doing byom work.

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Originally by: Idxx

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Edited by: Idxx on 10/05/2008 17:37:15
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4) If you can't do 2 and/or 3, then: When I have a shopping list, and I change the manufacture status of an item in the Items dialog, then update the shopping list accordingly. Example: Laser Sensor Cluster is set to Manu. I add a ship to the shopping list. I switch the Laser Sensor Cluster back to No-Manu. Shopping list still shows it as Manu.

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Originally by: Tallinlen

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Just like to say wonderful app. Probably the most useful app i've come across.

I just have 1 suggestion, seeing you already have all the info, add a T1 profit list as well. I know its not invention but anyone serious about invention probably builds T1 for market as well.

Thanks again for the great application.

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Originally by: Valenti Ex

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Also, for some reason it doesn't have the Large Remote Hull Repairer listed.

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Originally by: Donde Esta

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I hope you can still fit in the logic to pull prices for a particular system, rather than region :)

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Originally by: Donde Esta

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If you don't have the time, can you tell me where to get a free IDE for your source, and I'll see about adding itfor you?

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Originally by: Solar Ray

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I can't say I understand how "Items to manufacture" works. I never managed to get anything on it :) I assumed that it is meant for intermediate items, e.g. T1 modules for T2 production, which I don't mess with.

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Originally by: Solar Ray

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What would also be extremely useful, is to have a mechanism to track not only your average invention success rate, but also your profit from t2 manufacturing (either based on eve-c imports or actual prices).

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Originally by: Solar Ray

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Another nice-to-have option I can think of is some sort of EveMon style reminder about completion times for copy/invention/manufacture jobs. I am almost sure these are not in api, so they will have to be set manually, but what I personally need in practice is the shortest job of all, so I know when to log on to do something. Maybe that makes sense to other people too.

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Originally by: Burchov

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Originally by: Donde Esta

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I hope you can still fit in the logic to pull prices for a particular system, rather than region :)

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Per system is not possible as Eve-Central does not offer such detailed information via its XML feeds. So that means that that information has to come from either the Eve-Central daily dumps, or the market log exports directly from the EVE client (the "export to file" button on the market screen). While the latter is on my wish list for sometime in the future, it is not a priority.

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Originally by: Donde Esta

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I told you in a previous post that it is possible. I use this in my code:

URL = "http://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=" + info.TypeId + "&usesystem=" + clsPageInfo.LocationId + "&outtype=xml";

For example: http://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=34&usesystem=30000142&outtype=xml

Thats a list of trit prices specifically found in jita. The sell orders are listed from lowest to highest, so I just pull the first sell order on the dump.

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Originally by: yani Ledliv

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Here is my feature wish list
* Ability to choose what region you want to retrieve price data from Eve-central.
* Import of manually exported market logs from eve.
* Pr unit price when you click on <Build cost/Manufacture> in the main window. To see the prices would ease price validation. Perhaps also with the option to set the prices.
* Ability to delete a configuration in "Invention results". I could not find a way to do this.
* Save the last decryptor chosen in the "invention input". I have been using the "Default values" in "User settings". But lets say you have some ship inventions and wants different decryptors, your choices are erased when you click on other ships.

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Originally by: yani Ledliv

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Possible "bugs"
* Each time I load the app, I get a msg box with "'#number#' is not a valid floating point value" Where #number# is different each time I load the app. This error also pops up when I try to sort the "Invention profit" results in the main screen.
* The race buttons under <Invention Calculator/Filter items> seems only to filter out ship data, not the other categories. This could be by design, but would help when you only have skills for some races and does not want to be cluttered with the others.

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Originally by: Burchov

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Originally by: yani Ledliv

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Possible "bugs"
* Each time I load the app, I get a msg box with "'#number#' is not a valid floating point value" Where #number# is different each time I load the app. This error also pops up when I try to sort the "Invention profit" results in the main screen.
* The race buttons under <Invention Calculator/Filter items> seems only to filter out ship data, not the other categories. This could be by design, but would help when you only have skills for some races and does not want to be cluttered with the others.

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The first is very strange, that should not happen and I've never had it happen. Could you send me an ingame mail as detailed as possible, using a fresh install of the application, the exact (and all) actions you do to get the error and what locale your computer is using?
The second is indeed a bug, and I'll fix it for the next release.

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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Suggestion: allow import of meta 1-4 item prices, cache them, calculate all possible meta item/decryptor combinations (they're not independent due to the way the invention chance formula works) and auto-select the best one for each item.

Further suggestion: allow users to specify how long they want to store prices in the cache.

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Originally by: Anastasy BL

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The bug - Import prices
In a choice of parameters of export the mistake is admitted, categories buy and sell are changed by places.

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Originally by: Ekrid

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Edited by: Ekrid on 02/07/2008 14:33:35
because trying to fit medium beam lasers is like trying to shove a cow in your mailbox. doable, but it gets messy.

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Originally by: Ekrid

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because trying to fit medium beam lasers is like trying to shove a cow in your mailbox. doable, but it gets messy.

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Originally by: pulse1976

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Still a top program Burchov (you should have received a donation from my alt by now), just a few things I've noticed

1. To create the Cheetah you now require a Probe to invent from BPO wise and to build from. At the moment the Cheetah is still down as being an off shoot of the Vigil
2. Just a small gripe for the Item Price box on the Item Output on the front end. If you enter a figure over 100m isk but try to add the odd amounts of isk after the decimal point, the next number you enter deletes said decimal point. The only way round it that I found so far is to enter the whole number without the decimal point then add it afterwards. Try entering 100000000.01 and you'll see what I mean.

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Originally by: Athreya

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I suggest to calculate three times: average time you spend for copying per one T2 item, average time you spend for invention per one T2 item and time of manufacturing of one T2 item. And devide profit per one T2 item by slowest time, so we can see what is the best way to rize money in short period :)

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Originally by: Sir Substance

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however, the prices its retrieving from eve-central are just a little bit off.

in some cases by about 2204%.

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Originally by: Sir Substance

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actually, i do ahve one improvement. a method that would allow you to filter items by science skill needed would be nice.

(if its already in there i cant find it)

it would be awesome to set it to only show items that use

minmatar encryption methods
mechanical engineering
nuclear physics

or whatever

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Originally by: Dungar Loghoth

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Is there a way to manually modify the cost of the "Invention Input" area? It's giving me some insanely expensive cost per job price because it keeps trying to consume the interface.

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Originally by: Solar Ray

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Other two suggestions concern usability. I prefer to sort items first by profit, second by race. In this or any other non-default case the sorting order is reset upon virtually any change in item price or settings. On the average I have to re-sort two or three times during one session. Perhaps, the program could remember the sorting order?

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Originally by: Solar Ray

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Also, it would be really helpful to have "Favorities". The application is used not only to compare profitability of jobs, but to track the profitability of blueprints one already has, as well as tracking shopping expenses and adding invention results. In the first case one naturally wants to have all items on the page, but otherwise - merely the items one actually invents.

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Originally by: Solar Ray

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Additionally, my character skills seem not to import. They have been acquired once, since then some new skills have appeared, but it is impossible to import them via API - only setting manually helps. In other words, the skills tab seems to be "frozen" at the state of the very first import attempt, and not updated later.

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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The new data export is out- I'm sure people are looking forward to seeing an updated version. But the main reason I wanted to post here was to congratulate you on the improvement in the time needed to pull prices from eve-central - how on earth did you make it so much faster?

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To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Soleramnus

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Edited by: Soleramnus on 26/08/2008 04:56:10
Edited by: Soleramnus on 26/08/2008 04:46:18
EDIT: I got the same error when trying to get the program to access my API.

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Small typo error... "Laser Sensor Cluster" should be "Ladar Sensor Cluster"

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Originally by: Sollan Dyl

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Edited by: Sollan Dyl on 01/09/2008 16:50:41
Awesome program, really great to use. Except for the last week or so (eva since eve-central updated their servers or something)

I have been getting a bug where the price import is not working for about 3/4 of the tech 2 items and about 1/4 of the tech 1 items, it doesn't matter what I select eg. wether it's buy or sell or both, in 1 region or all regions, it simply won't update certain item's prices.

(edit) I even uploaded the xml's to eve-central myself for the items I was looking at, still the prices wouldn't update in the invention calculator.

Otherwise love this program

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Originally by: Solar Ray

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Is anybody else having problems with API? "Authentification Failed", firewall ok, API logs do not show any attempts to access it.

Anyways, we haven't heard from the author of this extremely useful application in a while. Is he still around? I am ready for a new donation :)

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Originally by: Yeildtome

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I noticed you made this post around the time of the patch. CCP always disables the API after a patch, and it can stay disabled for up to a few days.
this is so no harm can come from the API if the patch accidently changed something.

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Originally by: Georg Girlausi

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was wondering if you can make it so the i can select how many
invention inputs i have in the "invention input menu"

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Small typo error... "Laser Sensor Cluster" should be "Ladar Sensor Cluster".

Feature request: Same as the copy shopping list but I was wondering if you could actually copy the table form? I.e. Include tabs and the category data? Makes it easier to paste into excel if wanted... and the tabs themselves help even in a text note.

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Originally by: Xerox WorkCentre

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Found a bug: the implants/harwirings F/K-series bonuses are applied totaly wrong. Instead of decreasing time, they are increasing

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Originally by: Soleramnus

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I get an error when I try to import prices from EVE-Central though. "OLE error 80004001"
Then again, I'm running it on WINE using Crossover on a Mac. I'm surprised it worked at allùall the same, is this something that might be fixed or has to do with settings, and isn't a platform issue?

EDIT: I got the same error when trying to get the program to access my API.

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Originally by: Solar Ray

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I can't connect to API either. Tried to remove the settings file as suggested to no avail. EVE Central works fine though.

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Originally by: Sollan Dyl

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I have been getting a bug where the price import is not working for about 3/4 of the tech 2 items and about 1/4 of the tech 1 items, it doesn't matter what I select eg. wether it's buy or sell or both, in 1 region or all regions, it simply won't update certain item's prices.

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Originally by: Trente Reznor

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I want to make 10 runs of Inferno Javelin Torp (this being 10 separate runs using seperate bpcs). Each -4 ME run requires 30 units of Plasma Pulse Generator for a total of 300 for the 10 jobs. However, the Invention Calculator is telling me I need 200, 100 short.

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Originally by: Moon Ray

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No, API works fine.

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Originally by: Lothros Andastar

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Also I have noticed that it seems to be using up 1 ram per run, causing the Isk calck to be a little screwy.

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Originally by: Kribor

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Hi, seems your link is broken, I can't download your application from eve-file

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Originally by: Xerox WorkCentre

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EVE-Files UP
Now gimme the new version

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Originally by: Jonas Vinthyn

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This might be noted but I didn't see it...can you add a option to the settings for a proxy server?

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Originally by: Burchov

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Well, I tried uploading the new verson to EVE-Files, but for some reason it does not accept either rar files or applications any more. I mailed Chribba about it, but I haven't received a response...

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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It accepts .zip files but not .rar files, and has always been that way iirc.

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• There are some ships and modules that were added with EA (that are relevant for invention). These items do not appear in the application until you manually assign a category to them using File -> Organize Items. For example the Magnate (Amarr Frigate): Expand the category "Ships" and drag the Magnate from the list on the left to the subcategory "Frigates".


• The Empyrean Age patch also introduced a new region, Black Rise, and renamed the drone regions. Therefore, when importing prices from EVE-Central, your old region selection is no longer accurate.

Originally by: Yggdrassil

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Whatever I do, I am unable to download prices for anything. The connection times out (within 0.5 secs from clicking).

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Originally by: Yggdrassil

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Whatever I do, I am unable to download prices for anything. The connection times out (within 0.5 secs from clicking).

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Originally by: Yggdrassil

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I seem to have a lil bit of trouble using the new version.

Whatever I do, I am unable to download prices for anything. The connection times out (within 0.5 secs from clicking).

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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I still think it would be useful to add an extra column showing profit per hour for each inventable item

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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As far as I'm concerned, it already is; I want to cut out as much work as possible. The only place where any real thinking is required is in choosing a market for what you produce, and gauging the levels of demand & competition there to best effect.

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Originally by: Tral's Hauler

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Edited by: Tral''s Hauler on 22/09/2008 07:30:07
Hello, you'r program is great, i just miss 2-3 function about the Shopping list :

=> Save it
=> Export it in html file who can be read in the igb with right click on each item to use the "view market detail")

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Originally by: Solar Ray

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Probably a bug: shopping list shows 0 volume (size in m3) for most components.

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Originally by: Mifter Hogdido

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How do you add a base item to make the production cost and chance of success to resemble what it would be in TQ?

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Originally by: Mr Mucker

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(...)or change the formula for build costs to factor in the amount of runs of the BPC, I would suggest the latter.

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Originally by: Mr Mucker

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(...)Now to me this is the total profit you make taking into account all the ISK you have to spend. This is raw profit. The only ISK I have to spend is 3,253.63 per invetion job. Multiply this by the chance of being successful of 2.38 and we get 7,743.04. SO subtract this from the profits I get for selling all 10 items of the T2 item we get 1,874,994.54 which I belive to be your true profit overall. So what is the "Avg profit per invetion job" field for?

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Originally by: Mr Mucker

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Ah I see. Took me a while to understand that after reading it, lol.
Maybe you should add a little "I" next to that field that when you mouse over explains that. It is a bit unclear with current description.

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Originally by: Mr Mucker

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BTW where did you get the invention formula from? I have looked everywhere on the site for it.

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Quote:

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I'm an idiot, I figure out how to do this with the checkbox fields - DOH!

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Originally by: Sheko

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Secondly and along the same lines, can you have it so it compares your manufacture costs of T2 components with the imported Eve-Central market prices and alters the shopping list Buy/Manufacture list accordingly?

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Originally by: Sheko

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On that note, what program would I use to have a look at your source code? I have limited knowledge of VBA.

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Originally by: Sheko

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P.S. Another really minor suggestion and sorry to waste your time with it, but can we have the Maximise window box enabled on the main invention calculator screen!?

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Originally by: Krylon Rhae

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I am having a problem downloading the prices from EVE Central. Each time I try, no matter what the configuration settings I use, I receive an error stating: "An invalid character was found in text content - Line 1"

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Originally by: Mr Mucker

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Where is the tickbox Sheko?
The only I can find is the manufacture tick box?
I was going to request this also.

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Originally by: Sheko

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Another idea. I realise your aim isn't to have this setup for production, but would it be possible to add the facility to manually add T1 items (or any item for that matter) into the items database along with their associated build components (recipe) at ME 0.

It'd be easy to see how much that item costs to build using the latest (or your own) imported prices for raw mats that way. An example would be any item that doesn't have a t2 equivalent.

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Originally by: aruchra

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btw how to change some material inside it because some of them material need to build is not same with in-game.
Example :
Valkyrie II -> Particle accelerator unit -> should be : thermonuclear trigger unit
ECM - multispectral ->Laser sensor cluster -> should be : Ladar sensor cluster

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Originally by: Athreya

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Impressive tool but still missing most important column = profit per hour. This profit has to be calculated manually from data produced by a program by simple formula: profit per job devided by manufacturing time (for modules). I was asking about this addition in august and still have to calculate and compare profits per hour manually.

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Originally by: aruchra

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Export to clipboard Problem,

that would be nice if exported clipboard only show Quantity and Items name only, the other column is useless. Or maybe u can make it an option show all field or show some selected fields. thanks

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Originally by: Lady Charnoob

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Does anyone experience the lack of info in manufacturing tab ? I have planned a hulk invention, and when i add T2 items to shopping list i have no data in manufactuing tab. Is it normal ?

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Originally by: Solar Ray

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Any updates in foreseeable future? :)

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Originally by: Burchov

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Originally by: Athreya

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Impressive tool but still missing most important column = profit per hour. This profit has to be calculated manually from data produced by a program by simple formula: profit per job devided by manufacturing time (for modules). I was asking about this addition in august and still have to calculate and compare profits per hour manually.

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That's because I've had exactly 0 time to spend on developing this. It is still on the things to do, don't worry

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Originally by: Solar Ray

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The limit is still in place. Is there any workaround?

This reminds me that a favorities function would be really of use in these situations. Like when the user wants just to update a few products, not the whole list.

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Originally by: The Beekeeper

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Its a horrible workaround, but if you know what prices you want, use the filtering of items to bring the list down to 20 or less, which will then work for grabbing the price from eve-central (you might have to deselect everything except the category the item is in).

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Originally by: Raymoon Revenge

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When you use the tool, RECHECK the needs of T2 ship invention with the ones ingame. For a vexor the tool told me it costs me 97M per ship to build it but actually it is 65M. The reason for this large error seems to be wrong numbers of component needs for the ME levels.

as production needs for the ishtar (ME -4) i got 188 construction blocks but if you check ingame it takes only 150 for those (search the contract market for a ME -4 BPC).

In the item list the production cost looked right (around 55M with media empire prices).

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Originally by: Loike

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When importing prices from eve-central (using the forge and the citadel), I always get the problem 'Loaded 0 prices from cache and successfully retrieved 0 prices from eve-central'. HALP PLEASE

I can however import prices for decryptors though.

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Originally by: tradeding00003

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ok, but we can't change the amount of price checks. So we can take t1 item -> we have 456 items for import prices ... we can't select only 20 items.

This is the actual problem.

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Originally by: Lothris Andastar

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To the last 3 or 4 posters, learn to read.

This is a problem with eve central as detailed earlier in the post. The Admin for eve central has disabled checks for more than 20 items, so reduce your lists to that ammount.

THIS IS NOT A PROBLEM WITH THE CALCULATOR SO PLEASE STOP WHINING ABOUT IT

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Originally by: Ad Adastra

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Anyway, here is a screen shot of said problem. I have also tried this on 3 (three) different connections now. All give this error.

http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=inventioncalchb8.jpg

Any help would be appreciated.

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Originally by: Solar Ray

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Windows Firewall?

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Originally by: Karina Redstar

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Simple coding solution: split the query into multiple x 20 items smaller query.

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Originally by: Solar Ray

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There might be a workaround for the EVE-C query limit. The invention app uses an XML file for EVE-C queries, which contains all the items and times of their last successful query. If the time is in the future, item will not update. The technique would be then having multiple XML files with 20 items using real time, and all the other items using a future date. The user would need to rename the corresponding XML file into AllItems.xml before running a next query. Still, this would be more convenient than filtering each item by name.

Only problem is that items are listed by their respective ID and the job would take some time. If someone could arrange 20-item XML files for T2 components, minerals, and other building sources, it could be used by this little community. Manufactured goods prices could be set individually then. Anyone up for the task?

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Originally by: MegabitOne

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If anyone is interested in it, I will look for a way to distribute it....

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Originally by: Solar Ray

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Originally by: MegabitOne

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If anyone is interested in it, I will look for a way to distribute it....

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www.eve-files.com

By all means, I think we all are interested.

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************** Exception Text **************
System.Net.WebException: The remote server returned an error: (500) Internal Server Error.
at System.Net.HttpWebRequest.GetResponse()
at EveCentral.frmMain.GetEveCentralData(String strURL)
at EveCentral.frmMain.btnLoadPrices_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


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EveCentral
Assembly Version: 1.0.0.0
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CodeBase: file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Giorgio/Local%20Settings/Apps/2.0/YGTR5PX4.M65/E5TG3TTY.BCK/evec..tion_0000000000000000_0001.0000_1eace75e192b58b9/EveCentral.exe
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Originally by: Lothros Andastar

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Edited by: Lothros Andastar on 03/02/2009 22:41:24
Edited by: Lothros Andastar on 03/02/2009 22:40:47
Edited by: Lothros Andastar on 03/02/2009 22:40:23
Hmm, I'm having problems...

XP Pro, 32 bit:

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************** Exception Text **************
System.Net.WebException: The remote server returned an error: (500) Internal Server Error.
at System.Net.HttpWebRequest.GetResponse()
at EveCentral.frmMain.GetEveCentralData(String strURL)
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The error is what it says: "The remote server returned an error: (500) Internal Server Error". This means that EveCentral was not able to reply to the request that was sent to it. Maybe EveCentral didn't respond or it took too long to respond or .... I had this error also a few times, but a couple of seconds or minutes later everything worked just fine. I would suggest that you retry to update the prices.

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If anyone IS getting this to work, any chance of a Forge Region "Allitems.xml" being uploads?

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The AllItems.xml file only contains information about items, not about regions. The AllItems.xml file I use should contain all items because I once did a 'full' load in the time that EveCentral hadn't limited the number of items to 20. If you don't have such set, I can upload mine if you like...

Originally by: DontPodkillMeBro

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Excellent tool, though I was not aware there was a .net update, and was further shocked to learn that Microsoft bundled a nasty little browser add on that installs to Firefox without your consent.

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Erm, nothing to do with me I'm afraid MS updates its stuff all the time... I didn't have the add-on installed, so either I already had it or it doesn't get installed since I use MSIE. Probably it's something to make .Net better work together with your browser. It doesn't come from my program, that's for sure, hehe
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Originally by: Lothros Andastar

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Ah I see. It's most likely due to me being in a 3rd world country (Ireland) who has worse internet than bloody Nigeria.

And Yes, an Upload of Allitems.xml would be handy, even if not for me, but for people who may not have gotten a full download :)

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Originally by: Eldiora Trade

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please share your knowlege how did you get it to work, i always get error 500 when i type in the url of eve central.

Also how do i get it to work with the program exactly? will it create me an all items file that i need to copy somewhere?

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Originally by: Zzzyxas

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1) Download thr Allitems.xml linked here, just to be on the safe side.
2) Open the Program, select the file, select regions then press get prices.
3) Program will do its thing, may hang a bit. Once its stopped hanging it should be done updating
4) Open InventionCalc, go to Items, select all, select the same regions as EvECentral Did and click update
5) Send MegaBitOne iskies :p

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Originally by: Zzzyxas

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Just wondering, is it possible to add to your program filters for different price types (like average, minimum sell etc.) like the Main program Does?

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Originally by: MegabitOne

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The data dowloaded from EveCentral always contains all different price types. The selection on which one to use is done by you inside the InventionCalculator. For example if you download the latest prices from EveCentral with my tool and then go into the InventionCalculator and choose some price with another price type, you will see that the message after the download says something like '0 prices downloaded from EveCentral, x prices from cache'. This means all your prices were already the most recent ones and that he got the other price type straight from the AllItems.xml file. If you open the AllItems.xml file in a browser you will see all price types EveCentral provides for each item...

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Originally by: Tyrion WarMage

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What now ?

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Originally by: Burchov

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Originally by: Tyrion WarMage

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What now ?

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You could download the new version here

Though the free time I thought I had wasn't all that much free. Therefore this new version only fixes the EVE-Central price import, and nothing else. Ah well, we'll have to see what the future brings; I certainly haven't abandoned or forgotten about the invention calculator.

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Originally by: Ennui DeBlase

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After further testing I'll go ahead and apologize for having more edits than useful things to say, but...
both that internal server error and the inability of invent calc to update seems to be tied to the <retrievedat></retrievedat> for each item, which in the downloaded file appears to be june of '09? That's what mine said anyways for some reason, and so wasn't updating. A simple find/replace (use word, not notepad, trust me), fixed it. Hopefully that helps some of you.

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simply delete the AllItems.xml file.

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Originally by: Burchov

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Originally by: Ennui DeBlase

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After further testing I'll go ahead and apologize for having more edits than useful things to say, but...
both that internal server error and the inability of invent calc to update seems to be tied to the <retrievedat></retrievedat> for each item, which in the downloaded file appears to be june of '09? That's what mine said anyways for some reason, and so wasn't updating. A simple find/replace (use word, not notepad, trust me), fixed it. Hopefully that helps some of you.

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In that case it seems that MegabitOne's application sets the retrievedat to some date in the future, which is fair enough as otherwise the old version would try to retrieve prices from EVE-Central. With the new version that is not needed any more, so you can either replace all the dates, or easier, simply delete the AllItems.xml file.

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Originally by: Solar Ray

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Would be nice to get some kind of progress bar on the import, or just an "OK" window, when it's done. A good job otherwise, and a small token of appreciation sent your way.

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Originally by: Burchov

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Originally by: Tyrion WarMage

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What now ?

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You could download the new version here

Though the free time I thought I had wasn't all that much free. Therefore this new version only fixes the EVE-Central price import, and nothing else. Ah well, we'll have to see what the future brings; I certainly haven't abandoned or forgotten about the invention calculator.

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 14/04/2008 17:39:44
Suggestion: when updating prices from eve-central, cache them all in ram before writing all of them to disk at once. It's a bit annoying hearing the hard drive going click...click once per second for up to 20 minutes at a time- the only nice thing about this is that I can tell when it's done by listening to my computer

Other suggestions: do not include data interface prices when calculating the cost per job (it's relevant when calculating the % return on your isk, though)

Add a profit per hour column in the main item list. Time to be calculated as copy time + invention time + build time for one invention job.

Where 1 T1 blueprint can be used to invent multiple T2 items, list these separately.

Add a '% profit on invested isk' column, calculated as profit / invested isk. Invested isk should include the costs of all materials, interfaces and BPOs required for the job, with the option to exclude BPOs in case people are working with copies bought off the market, or use multiple BPOs (common for cheap module BPOs as it allows for faster copying).

Add a '% profit per hour' column, calculated as (% profit on invested isk) / (hours per job), both calculated as described above.

Allow people to set an invention formula which returns a value of 1 when it would otherwise be greater than 1. Currently, formulas entered are not validated in this way and it gives rise to misleading indications of profitability.

Decryptor auto-selection, for:
1. Best profit per job
2. Best % return per job
3. Best % return per hour per job

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Originally by: Akita T

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No progress on the "profit per slot per day" thing yet, I see

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Originally by: Tynenor

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 14/04/2008 17:39:44
Suggestion: when updating prices from eve-central, cache them all in ram before writing all of them to disk at once. It's a bit annoying hearing the hard drive going click...click once per second for up to 20 minutes at a time- the only nice thing about this is that I can tell when it's done by listening to my computer

Other suggestions: do not include data interface prices when calculating the cost per job (it's relevant when calculating the % return on your isk, though)

Add a profit per hour column in the main item list. Time to be calculated as copy time + invention time + build time for one invention job.

Where 1 T1 blueprint can be used to invent multiple T2 items, list these separately.

Add a '% profit on invested isk' column, calculated as profit / invested isk. Invested isk should include the costs of all materials, interfaces and BPOs required for the job, with the option to exclude BPOs in case people are working with copies bought off the market, or use multiple BPOs (common for cheap module BPOs as it allows for faster copying).

Add a '% profit per hour' column, calculated as (% profit on invested isk) / (hours per job), both calculated as described above.

Allow people to set an invention formula which returns a value of 1 when it would otherwise be greater than 1. Currently, formulas entered are not validated in this way and it gives rise to misleading indications of profitability.

Decryptor auto-selection, for:
1. Best profit per job
2. Best % return per job
3. Best % return per hour per job

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Cheers to the multiple outputs. Incursus is a prime example. Not that anyone makes enyo's......

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Originally by: Tyrion WarMage

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Originally by: Tynenor

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 14/04/2008 17:39:44
Suggestion: when updating prices from eve-central, cache them all in ram before writing all of them to disk at once. It's a bit annoying hearing the hard drive going click...click once per second for up to 20 minutes at a time- the only nice thing about this is that I can tell when it's done by listening to my computer

Other suggestions: do not include data interface prices when calculating the cost per job (it's relevant when calculating the % return on your isk, though)

Add a profit per hour column in the main item list. Time to be calculated as copy time + invention time + build time for one invention job.

Where 1 T1 blueprint can be used to invent multiple T2 items, list these separately.

Add a '% profit on invested isk' column, calculated as profit / invested isk. Invested isk should include the costs of all materials, interfaces and BPOs required for the job, with the option to exclude BPOs in case people are working with copies bought off the market, or use multiple BPOs (common for cheap module BPOs as it allows for faster copying).

Add a '% profit per hour' column, calculated as (% profit on invested isk) / (hours per job), both calculated as described above.

Allow people to set an invention formula which returns a value of 1 when it would otherwise be greater than 1. Currently, formulas entered are not validated in this way and it gives rise to misleading indications of profitability.

Decryptor auto-selection, for:
1. Best profit per job
2. Best % return per job
3. Best % return per hour per job

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Cheers to the multiple outputs. Incursus is a prime example. Not that anyone makes enyo's......

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Would also be very happy to see those improvements, especially the "profit per hour" column. The number of invention jobs is not the limiting factor for invention ... normally it's the (production) time ... so please give us a time base profit calculation.

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