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Tyaleia
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zanpt
Originally by: Alpha Otoko About UDP and WHY it wouldn't work for EVE.
Everything you say about UDP is true, but you missed the important part of my message:
It could be done even more effectively by using UDP instead of TCP and writing their own equivalent of TCP with much more flexible treatment of virtual connections than TCP typically offers.
You are clearly not a programmer with any familiarity with TCP/IP application programming. Anyone can write application code to use UDP packets and implement their own transmission control -- the "TC" part of "TCP". The programmer can number the packets, attach checksums, process acknowledgement and negative acknowledgement messages from the remote host, retransmit lost messages, etc. In short, all the things TCP does. After all, the packets TCP uses are also "send and forget" except that TCP tracks them, retransmits them, reorders them, and generally maintains a reliable link unless and until it gets a certain class of fatal return to its efforts to send packets to the other host. When TCP gets a fatal return it has no resiliance -- it throws up its hands and returns a fatal status to the application using it. Homebrewed transmission control, though, would be free to handle link and packet problems any way it wishes.
Much simpler would be my first suggestion, to use TCP but to build in much more resilience. TCP is like phone calls. If you phone someone and the connection is lost, do you abandon your efforts or do you place the call again? In the case of Eve it would also be necessary to smarten the server side to avoid throwing away user session information on loss of a TCP connection and process new TCP connections that identify themselves as reconnections. It's a bit of work but far short of rocket science.
Oh my god! Someone who knows what he is talking about!
For the uninitiated. - - - -
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MidNite247
Drunken Pilots Brigade
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:25:00 -
[272]
ty~!
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PJRiddick
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:32:00 -
[273]
Well i didnt do the mini update and im not having any connection issues,...all seems good on my end. Hay CCP,...Look into it OK! _+=>xXx<+=- Rid**** Clato Verada Nicto
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Leelo Atriedes
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: PJRid**** Well i didnt do the mini update and im not having any connection issues,...all seems good on my end. Hay CCP,...Look into it OK! _+=>xXx<+=- Rid**** Clato Verada Nicto
For real?
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st0ranger
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:43:00 -
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Edited by: st0ranger on 23/06/2008 20:43:34 Its definatly not CCP. My brother and I have played without any real dc's beyond our own router issues. However, his friends is suffering the dc's. BTW we are in Denver, Colorado and using comcast. Sorry for the fellow pilots who lost goods from dc's. Gl
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PtolemaiosPlato Solomon
DEFCON. Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:43:00 -
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Even if Limelight isn't used anymore, I still get kicked out of the game many times. Many times too much. Have difficulties to maintain my POSs... Greetings, thanks for reading,
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Colonel Rykef
Animus Exuro
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Posted - 2008.06.23 20:59:00 -
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still not able to sign in here, just sticks at the Authenticating screen
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Fate Liongod
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:06:00 -
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ell whenever I am logging in after i would say 15-20 minutes the server would kick me out back to the login screen, I did download and update the optional update, and was doing it constantly until after the prompt asking me to uninstall the new update, I do this and so far no problems, a day or 2 later, again after 15-20 minutes of logging on EVE would kick me out of server and back to log on, i would try the best i can to log back in cause of situations where i have ore in a container or when im doing missions and my drones are left out, cause of this server issue.
I do know for a fact and of coarse do not mean to insult but i double checked my secured connecting and everything is in the green valid ip address, can go to internet explorer and such. This is just a mere inconvenience and I think should be the topic of discussion.
You would have to COMP the people affected as well. This problem is getting huge
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Fiberton
StarFleet Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:17:00 -
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Actually Limelight has been having a problem for about 2 weeks. I was locked out for 3 days because of limelight who said they had no probl;em but their route died 2 hops from ccp. I talked with CCP and Limelight. Limelight denied anything. It fixed itself after 3 days which was after sending limelight my tracert info. COx communication over texas / louisiana / mississippi was messed up for 3 days. What has been happening with limelight for the past few days now is that they have a route from NYC to UK that keeps going down so it switches to a route to amsterdam then back to the UK. Well that did not fix it. They then tried a NYC to UK to amsterdam to UK to CCP. It is much more technical of course but im just being general in my statement. If you were being disconnected lastnight it was the UK to amsterdam switch over and over. CCP, you guys wont get much out of limelight. They kept telling me it was not their problem but I told them where it was messing up exactly. They told me " We are running fine , we would like to know what CCP has to say about that " haha I guess they just pass the buck. Your local Deamon |
Maddius
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:19:00 -
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I would like to add that this is the first i have heard of these dissconnects i'v been playing for hours and hours and had no problems ?
is there any one else out there that has not had any problems?
otherwise my advise would be Get a real ISP. it aint CCP's fault.
i use and internet provider called "Be" 24mb/2.5mb (down/up)
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Budsin Adar
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:20:00 -
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Thats about time.Who ever lime Light is with hold there services. Smart thing it was making many people in EVE mad loosinng ships.You name it even some were thinking of quiting as well. That to me is a very sad thought. But thank you very much from Ontario Canada, for your efforts.Hope things work out. So for now i guess its the ISP some wheres.
for anyone reading this use Ctrl-F and it will show you things and its very confusing. But it will give a clue sort of. Peace and good luck to all in eve. Signed Budsin Adar
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Bahnny
The Athiest Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Fiberton Actually Limelight has been having a problem for about 2 weeks. I was locked out for 3 days because of limelight who said they had no probl;em but their route died 2 hops from ccp. I talked with CCP and Limelight. Limelight denied anything. It fixed itself after 3 days which was after sending limelight my tracert info. COx communication over texas / louisiana / mississippi was messed up for 3 days. What has been happening with limelight for the past few days now is that they have a route from NYC to UK that keeps going down so it switches to a route to amsterdam then back to the UK. Well that did not fix it. They then tried a NYC to UK to amsterdam to UK to CCP. It is much more technical of course but im just being general in my statement. If you were being disconnected lastnight it was the UK to amsterdam switch over and over. CCP, you guys wont get much out of limelight. They kept telling me it was not their problem but I told them where it was messing up exactly. They told me " We are running fine , we would like to know what CCP has to say about that " haha I guess they just pass the buck.
Well it's easy to for them to pass the buck to you, To CCP they will be "Sir yes sir!" - cause well. You ain't no paying customer to them now are you.
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Sentinel x
Short Attention Span Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker I lost a head full of implants and worst of all, a beautiful new Rifter! What really stung was that some Minmatarian FW player got my pod. Nobody's ever gotten my pod. Someday Joe Starbreaker corpses are going to be worth billions as collector items, and some jerk got a free one courtesy of the "ISP" failure. CCP answer my petition already!
I call shenanigans on this
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Phazula
Aur0ra
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:29:00 -
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I have 5 chars 2 located in Kador 3 located in Tash Murkon - If this is indeed an issue with ISP's etc why on the same computers am i experiencing only issues i.e poor latency in the kador region and not Tash murkon - same computers same routers and config same build versions and yet 2 completely different outcomes. Now surely if it was not game related and ISP related i would be having issues on all 5 accounts. To further put the ball back into CCP's court i slowly moved a Kador based char to Tash Murkon region and hey presto my latency issue is no more. So i'll take CCP's excuse for a poor gameplay experience with a pinch of salt, it just doesnt stack up
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Galdarius Kain
Kain Xeno Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:47:00 -
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Undecided,
I don't feel the need to blame the game, or the whole of CCP, but when it comes to network redundancy; the "Operations team" should have already in place some redundant links that would still work in an event like this, or at least a service contract with "LimeLight" to make them pay damages for wages to Ops team.
Other then that, I have two questions; 1: Is the "optional patch" for the refine screen still working well, is there any real problem with it?
2: Are there any major memory leeks with EvE main exe as my memory usage went from 500-600MB up to 800-900MB with this latest patch which definitely makes a noticeable impact on graphical transitions in the premium edition.
If you can't get your ISP to own up to the blame then I would suggest setting up your own direct links, by this stage in CCP growth as a company I would have expected you to have enough capital to already implemented such measures, especially with steady regular subscriptions income from a regular international base of at least 25000 * ~$15 a month.
But I could be wrong perhaps this money should be spent on support staff and public relations after this incident.
Kain. GuildPortal |
Xerreckaitesa
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:48:00 -
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I am having problems with CCP's explanation myself. I have several accounts scattered all over and only some of them are affected. As I use the same computers on affected and non-affected accounts, it is not my computer. As I am only having problems with some Eve accounts and not with any other of the on-line games I play (Battlefield 2, Diablo 2, Mankind, World of Warcraft), I think that makes it clear that it is not my ISP (Cox Communications in Az,USA). As only certain areas of the game are affected and not the game as a whole, it seems obvious that CCP has a programing issue.
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Zetjur Jilnou
Rapid Deployment Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Zanpt To those who loudly proclaim this is not CCP's fault or problem, you are wrong. Anything that affects CCP's paying customers is CCP's problem whether or not the outages are their "fault."
So, what you are saying is if you provided a service for a monthly fee, let's just say a season ticket for a theme park or a gym membership, it would be your fault if the roads were blocked and your customers couldn't get there?
That's basically what you are saying.
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Captain Blackstar
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Posted - 2008.06.23 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Blackstar on 23/06/2008 21:56:12 I'm no expert in internet functionality, but i may know what's going on.
I've come up with an analogy of what may be going on with the Limelight connection, I'm not putting the blame on them or CCP, but maybe something in the code for that reprosessing window fix.
Imagine a semi-truck driving down a crowded highway very fast. This semi driver is very new to the scene and doesn't know how to properly fasten cargo. He has a load of logs on his trailer and they are not fastened properly, so guess what happens? the load falls off the truck and onto the highway, in turn causing a massive traffic crysis causing cars to crash and fall of the roads, in turn stopping the flow all together.
Now apply this to the new reprosessing fix. Maybe theres something in the file that's causing a jamming and dropping of signals for those who have it. Remember that people are starting to download it more and more and the problem is getting worse at the same time. This is my theory, think what you must.
P.S. Pardon my bad spelling. I didn't exactly ace it in elementry school :P |
xS0u1zx
Cold Fury Coalition
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:02:00 -
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For those that actually read my message................I would like to know exactly how it's any part of ccp's fault when another ISP fails? I would also like to say that I'm on eve right now and have no problems, or wait it's eve's fault that 31,000 people are on right now, but a few hundred aren't? We aren't having any problems, and ccp closed connections with lime whatever it's called, so that you DON'T LOSE ANYTHING. as for reimbursed time, what the 100,000 sp is that big of a loss, you should be training long term skills anyway. Further more stop complaining seriously, they obviously are doing what they can but like I said.....if it's an ISP problem CCP has nothing to do with it, you know since 30k+ people are on without problems it can't be them, and yes I installed that new patch I got no probs. I would say more but I can't think of anything, if you wanna ***** and complain do it to the isp and leave ccp alone.
You don't know until it happends...when it does, I'll be sure to loot your wreck. |
ZZaxx
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou
Originally by: Zanpt To those who loudly proclaim this is not CCP's fault or problem, you are wrong. Anything that affects CCP's paying customers is CCP's problem whether or not the outages are their "fault."
So, what you are saying is if you provided a service for a monthly fee, let's just say a season ticket for a theme park or a gym membership, it would be your fault if the roads were blocked and your customers couldn't get there?
That's basically what you are saying.
Yes. For example, here in Tucson,Az,USA there is a major road construction program that will take 3 years to complete that blocks numerous places of business. Knowing this, the places of business provided an alternate means of access for the duration of the construction project It is called pre-planning, something that every company should do if they wish to be sucessful. If one of CCP's providers is a problem, they should drop them and use someone else.
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BrysonBennington
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:09:00 -
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Sounds to me like the Limey's are trying to gain information and cause problems for certain members throught the shareware provider LimeWire which is like Kazaa. Someone could theoritcally access EvE through one of the sharware networks and access someones account, theoretically.
These people are called hackers and get paid by various people to cause problems for those they do not like for whatever delusional reason they can fathom. I know this to be true because some of my cousin's asked me questions about what I was doing "playing eve" and if Dryson Bennington was my character name. This has happened several times and has resulted in people around me harassing me not to play eve anymore, like I said for whatever delusional reasoning they have, is the reason they are doing it. So can it be construed as harassment? Sure it can, why else would it be happening?
I say we mount a fleet of titans and do a server raid on the suspected ISP's that will make them think twice about hacking into EvE.
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Haakelen
Force d'action navale
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: BrysonBennington Sounds to me like the Limey's are trying to gain information and cause problems for certain members throught the shareware provider LimeWire which is like Kazaa. Someone could theoritcally access EvE through one of the sharware networks and access someones account, theoretically.
These people are called hackers and get paid by various people to cause problems for those they do not like for whatever delusional reason they can fathom. I know this to be true because some of my cousin's asked me questions about what I was doing "playing eve" and if Dryson Bennington was my character name. This has happened several times and has resulted in people around me harassing me not to play eve anymore, like I said for whatever delusional reasoning they have, is the reason they are doing it. So can it be construed as harassment? Sure it can, why else would it be happening?
I say we mount a fleet of titans and do a server raid on the suspected ISP's that will make them think twice about hacking into EvE.
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Dmian
Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:15:00 -
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It's official: This thread broke the facepalm ratio record! ----
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Zetjur Jilnou
Rapid Deployment Industries
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: ZZaxx
Originally by: Zetjur Jilnou
Originally by: Zanpt To those who loudly proclaim this is not CCP's fault or problem, you are wrong. Anything that affects CCP's paying customers is CCP's problem whether or not the outages are their "fault."
So, what you are saying is if you provided a service for a monthly fee, let's just say a season ticket for a theme park or a gym membership, it would be your fault if the roads were blocked and your customers couldn't get there?
That's basically what you are saying.
Yes. For example, here in Tucson,Az,USA there is a major road construction program that will take 3 years to complete that blocks numerous places of business. Knowing this, the places of business provided an alternate means of access for the duration of the construction project It is called pre-planning, something that every company should do if they wish to be sucessful. If one of CCP's providers is a problem, they should drop them and use someone else.
Well, that is completely different. Your local gym would not provide alternate travel methods if say, flooding blocked a road for two days. If a three year construction project was taking place that would cause issues with the ISP, you'd have a point with what you just posted, and yes it would be reasonable to expect CCP to have used the several months notice to swap. In the meantime, back to the real world, eh? Expecting an immediate resolution from someone not to blame or at fault for something that happened - I would assume with no notice - is completely unreasonable, at least where I live, that certainly wouldn't be expected of anyone.
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Kaimar Redcloud
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:22:00 -
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Edited by: Kaimar Redcloud on 23/06/2008 22:25:46
Originally by: Zennith666 Just so you know - i didnt d/l the latest reprocessing fix, and i am being d/c'd every few minutes - so you cannot blame that one...
I have 2 accts on 2 computers.I d/l'ed the patch on one,not on the other and I've been averaging 6 d/c's per hour since the problem began on both computers.So I don't see it as a patch problem. I'm on the US east coast btw and most of my corp mates are scattered across the US and across the pond.We are all experiencing this problem,so it seems to me the limelight explanation sounds reasonable(if exhasperating)
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Internet Knight
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Major Gormur We have now disabled our connection to LimeLight and sent them a request for a full report on what is going on. We have received a reply from LimeLight saying that is not a problem directly on the LimeLight network but ISPÆs connected to them.
We will keep the LimeLight connection closed until we have received a full report from them on what happened and proper assurances that this will not be happen again in the future. We will keep you posted and update you with information as soon as we receive it.
I'm glad to see that you did do the right thing by cutting the link. But it took a lot longer than it should have, IMO.
--- How to resolve Singularity character syncing
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Sacro Tane
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:31:00 -
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It's probably pointless to weigh in on this issue, but . . . 1. This issue isn't affecting a mere few hundred people, but thousands of players across numerous countries. There have been literally tens of thousands of disconnects a day, especially (it seems) affecting users in the western USA and western Canada, but also affecting numerous locations across europe, nz, etc. 2. Limelight is a content delivery network with a vast, redundant network. The explanation that this is due to one of limelight's backbone connections is unsubstantiated and has the sound of rumor to it. For one thing, it doesn't make a lot of technical sense. For another, there is no mention of this problem in any news that I can track down, save this and its sister post here. 3. No other service that uses limelight - such as xbox live - has reported any massive connectivity issues. 4. It is most definately not related to the recent patch. The first mass disconnect that I noticed took place several hours prior to the downtime that brought that patch. 5. While this is not, strictly speaking, CCP's problem, limelight is a content delivery provider and not simply some random network connection. Add to that the sketchy nature of the explanation, and the lack of substantiation in news or reports of problems from any other limelight customer, and it seems like CCP is just a little too eager to push this off as beyond their control. 6. The severity of this problem, which results in literally tens of thousands of disconnects a day, has been treated with an almost skeptical response - downplayed, all but ignored at first. 7. According to the post that started this thread, the connection to limelight has been disabled for the duration of this problem. Why, then, has it not been affected? There has been no change in the amount of disconnects since then.
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Elb Sov
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Posted - 2008.06.23 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Elb Sov on 23/06/2008 22:47:05
Originally by: Sacro Tane Many good points... yadda yadda yadda...
While I agree with a lot of what Sacro has to say this isn't the first time that connections have died somewhere in limelight's network. I know of at least 3 previous occurances of chunks of the US player base being barred from eve because of a dead connection in limelight. I think its that record of flakey service that has prompted CCP to sever the connection until limelight gets their act together.
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aNFsiDoL
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:00:00 -
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I completely agree with what sacro has said, an error of this scale for whatever reason would be much easier to push onto the ISP as it may end up costing eve alot of lost revenue in subscriptions if infact it turned out to be a serverside problem.
If it is due to a LimeLight network error though, we cant expect CCP to compensate for an issue which is beyond that of their control.
aNF
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Duke Zero
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Posted - 2008.06.23 23:03:00 -
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for the people who are ripping on CCP..
Guys if what they say is true then it isnt their fault. 1 of 3 of their ISP's are having a problem so they shut it down until its fixed. really the only thing ccp can do now is sit and wait.
To put into prospective what your saying. "ccp owes me a ship because i lost connection"
ths is like saying "I bought a new pontiac car but BP doesnt have any fuel, Pontiac owes me a new car"
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