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Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:30:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:Kara Roideater wrote:
Because real suicidal people are frequently noted for their powers of discrimination in not putting themselves in harm's way? Oh, wait ...
The argument about PvP games in general is total crap. We're not talking about the consequences of someone losing their ship. we're talking about the consequences of a public call to harass a person. If you look closely you may be able to discern a minor difference.
it's 100% NOT YOUR PROBLEM OR RESPOSIBILITY if someone is suicidal. Not one smidgen, because YOU are not a psychologist, and YOU have no way to determine the veracity of their claims, AT ALL. EVER. However, posting the player's credentials publically and invoking a request to hassle them, THAT is against the EULA, 100%. does that help you? Now get off your moral high horse and apply logic.
You are failing to distinguish a number of distinct elements in the causal nexus and thus embarrassing yourself somewhat by combining such failures with calls for logic.
a) It is not your responsibility if someone is suicidal. - Correct
b) Invoking a request to harrass someone is against the EULA. - Correct.
Now, on to the most important of the relevant points that you fail to consider:
c) How you interact with someone who is suicidal IS your responsibility. - Correct.
d) Consequences following from your chosen course of interaction are partly your responsibility. -Correct.
e) Invoking a request to harass someone who has self-identified as suicidal and whom you are unable to rule out as suicidal may lead to serious consequences for that person. - Correct.
f) Therefore, you will be partly responsible for any consequences that might follow from said call to harass. - Correct
Now, I could go on from there but it will be easier to leave the emphasis on this point: your actions have consequences and you don't get to disavow responsibility simply because your actions interact with some pre-existing conditions. ALL actions interact with pre-existing conditions.
Nor do you get to disavow responsibility on the grounds that 'I wasn't sure' because if you weren't sure then you gambled with the other person's well-being. Claiming that you only have a responsibility to avoid certain actions if you are 100% sure that something bad will happen is the biggest pile of horseshit I have ever heard. Just try running a few thought-experiments on that one will you, and see how they come out. It's better that you work through these basic exercises yourself rather than have your hand held as then the lesson will really stick. |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
209
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:31:00 -
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Xython wrote:Ok, so lets recap:
* Mittani gets in with the biggest Mandate in CSM history. (Deal with it.) * The pubbies **** themselves in impotant rage. The Meme about "Goons only voting for Mittani" won't work cause he has 4000 more votes than there are Goons in the game, so obviously the morons will need something else... * Some made up controversy about Mittani mocking some botting reject hits the airwaves * ... That'll work: "ZOMG GOONIES ARE BAD! BAD BAD BAD!!"
Protip: If you say "I'm going to kill myself," it means you're not going to kill yourself, you're trolling for attention. People who do commit suicide do not engage in bilateral communication immediately beforehand. Doing so is a sign of attention whoring, not suicide.
What we had is some fat afk botting pubbie running, what, 22 bots at once? And Goons announced they would kill him, and then killed him (which he didn't notice cause he was afk botting), which is a good thing -- because bots are literally killing EVE. Upon getting his ass gently placed upon his head like a hat by the Goons, he tried to rant and guilttrip them as best he could.
It's an open PVP sandbox game. Deal with it.
I can't wait to see the bitching that's going to come around the start of May when our victory lap starts. You pubbies are going to **** yourselves.
You still do not understand the crux of this scandal. I suggest that you read from page 1. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:31:00 -
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Kaleb Rysode wrote:RougeOperator wrote: Sociopaths.
I am proud to play an MMOSpaceRPG where I role play a pathologically lying, unforgiving, evil sociopath. Feel free to send me an application deposit to my spacedude and I'll make sure you get into Goonswarm Federation.
I can vouch for Mr. INSERT_GOON_NAME_HERE's e-honor and integrity. I like the cut of his jib. Looking forward to seeing you in goons! |

Villandra Chassind
New Edens United Nation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:31:00 -
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Andski wrote:Nuela wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Has the out of game 'publicity' got to the point where we should be referring to, The Mittani, Eveonline player, in the past tense? When I say CCP is going to crucify him, I mean he is most likely GONE. Not just kicked from the panel. I mean gone...permabanned. Held out to the wolves in RL with possible lawsuits. i wonder how inclined CCP is to **** off 10,058 dudes
Sweet, so all i have to do is get the backing of 6000 idiots and 4000 "pubbies" and i can do what ever the **** i want? |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1415
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:32:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Steelshine wrote:Well I guess if you guys don't like the Mittani you should probably just get 11,000 people to vote for someone you agree with i don,t think the votes Mittens got alts or real accounts matter much now. He lost face ,but the worst part of it CCP and EVE loose face also If the important game media gets hold of this ,they won,t cover a great fanfest but something else ^ this. The media won't go for how awesome the future vision of Eve is, they go for the guy who called for a guy's suicide.
Thats the annoying thing about this really. Fanfest was really excellent this year - I think most people have a huge buzz about the game going in the right direction again and thats what we should be reading about in the gaming press. Its a shame to see the focus on a bizzare ubernerd voted into office by 10,000 sycophantic internet frat boys because he couldn't hold his beer and acted like a tosspot on stage.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Jags
The Jags Corp
6
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:32:00 -
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Dont like Goons , like Mittani , where does that leave me :D
TBH the quick and easy solution , apologies for any offence caused , throw the dude a ton of ISK so he doesnt need to mine ever again. Problem solved, move along nothing else to see here. |

Aileren
Aliastra Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:33:00 -
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Nuela wrote:Oh wow!
I've been looking at this stuff.
Mittani is screwed. CCP is going to crucify him.
Doubtful.
Here's what might happen. Mittens offers up a token apology, life goes on.
Mittens either steps down from CSM or gets removed. After a period of protest from the Goons in Empire, making thousands of people's game life a nightmare, the goons get a new rep and chair, life goes on.
Other than some mea culpa's I don't see much happening.
For all the Mad Bro's. In this game that basicly encourages bad behavior, I want all of you including to OP to post logs of every time you've been outrageously outraged over bad conduct. I want to be sure that every time you've heard a comment like this in voice coms or in chat directed at anyone that you posted a thread calling for their ban. I want to see your cyberbullying police petitions over every rascist, or homophobic slur uttered on coms. I want signed affidavits attesting the fact that YOU HAVE NEVER SAID A BAD WORD OR ANYTHING THAT COULD BE CONSTRUED AS INNAPPROPRIATE ON THE INTERNET. |

Dalmont Delantee
The Black Legionnares BLACK-MARK
22
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:33:00 -
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God I'm not a mittani supporter in anyway, but I really don't care what he says or does in game or out of game as long as he just does well in the CSM.
The depressive will be a depressive until he grows some balls (I was one once so can say this) and if some computer game is going to make him top himself then he really need to step back and get some help |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3413
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:33:00 -
[639] - Quote
Villandra Chassind wrote:Sweet, so all i have to do is get the backing of 6000 idiots and 4000 "pubbies" and i can do what ever the **** i want?
you will never, ever pull it off "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |

Klown Walk
Black Rebel Rifter Club
57
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:33:00 -
[640] - Quote
This attempt at getting him kicked of the CSM is hilarious. |

OfBalance
Caldari State
247
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:33:00 -
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Eve is so meta~ |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:33:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:You still do not understand the crux of this scandal. I suggest that you read from page 1.
I understand it perfectly well, you pathetic sockpuppet idiot. Fat lazy pubbies are mad that Mittani got in again, with the BIGGEST MANDATE IN CSM HISTORY and will do anything, anything to try and deflect from that.
I suggest you deal with it, but the carebear crowd has shown time and again that they just can't.
But hey, remember:
EVERYTHING BURNS.
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Villandra Chassind
New Edens United Nation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:34:00 -
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Andski wrote:Villandra Chassind wrote:Sweet, so all i have to do is get the backing of 6000 idiots and 4000 "pubbies" and i can do what ever the **** i want? you will never, ever pull it off
Well ****, i best go kill myself. |

ViciousCycle
Dark One Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:34:00 -
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in RL, serious mental issues are not a joke. Making a joke about them is in very serious bad taste, reflecting quite poorly on the common humanity of the so-called joker. Taking actions that intend to provoke someone with serious mental issues into violence, whether self-directed or otherwise, is an actionable offence in many nations.
Fortunately for Mittens, he didn't make that joke, nor does he live in, a number of Middle Eastern or Far Eastern countries. In them, the relatives of the person he is apparently trying to provoke would reply and with deadly RL force.
Only in our oh, so sophisticated, Western culture do we act like such insensitive ingrates.
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Yumi Sagara
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:34:00 -
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Gossamer DT wrote:ILikeMarkets wrote:What part of him saying "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [REMOVED]," do you not seem to understand? Do you understand what cyber-bullying laws entail, including the punishments that come along with them? You don't seem to understand that in the real world there are consequences for your actions, and those consequences can sometimes include legal action. Oh no you removed his name, I don't think I can recall it now, I mean really this can not stand, I demand you put his name back at once... on a real note, something funny about IG chats, you have to accept them....it would be a neat number to see from CCP how many chat invites have been sent to [REMOVED], but than again it's probably a very low number and would only defuse this thread.
If the number is greater than 1 it will not defuse this thread.
The result isn't what people care about, it was the action and intention. Mittens seriously expressed an interest in trying to get a fellow player to kill himself, and instigated actions that would lead to such a result. THAT is what is unacceptable, and THAT is what CCP will be looking into while the playerbase expresses their disdain for such tasteless and pathetic behavior. |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
519
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:35:00 -
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This is the thread that never ends |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
519
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:35:00 -
[647] - Quote
It goes on and on my friends |

Gossamer DT
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
41
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:35:00 -
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Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:Mittani the Great's supporters' only "defenses" for Mittani the Great:
"Who is your main?"
"Where did you get your psychology degree?"
"Suicidal people deserve to die. Better for the gene-pool."
"10,084"
"First and for most, who is your main, and what does he do?"
"STFU carebears"
"This is happening only because people hate Goons"
These excuses are getting pathetic and do not explain anything about Mittani's misconduct.
Hey don't be quoting me twice you pathetic list maker!
and maybe you should read the entire thread, your list is very short and missing some of the best stuff, we even had a guy go all out and mock up some art work. who is your main, and what does he do? |

Blatant Forum Alt
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:35:00 -
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Triskian wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Going by The Wis' blog, he seems to be a fairly stable individual. And a decent photographer. Has a terrible Eve setup, though. From what I've gathered from his blog he's also a despicable human being who divorced his wife because of her numerous disabilities.
This is a good point. IF the rambling speel is correct - and thats a big if - then this so called 'victim' has done far more wrong than what mittens is being accused of. Why isnt there a threadnaught calling for his head?
Because TheWis is not head of GSF probably...
Also, genuinely suicidal people do not advertise their 'bad life story' to people. Ergo this guy was not genuinely suicidal, but was invoking the sympathy card - which is offensive to actually depressed people. Frankly, the more you look into it, TheWis was a truly awful person... |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
519
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:35:00 -
[650] - Quote
Some people started posting, not knowing what it was |

EnderCapitalG
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
519
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:35:00 -
[651] - Quote
But they'll continue posting it forever just because this is the thread that never ends |

Yumi Sagara
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:36:00 -
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Klown Walk wrote:This attempt at getting him kicked of the CSM is hilarious.
If CCP wants to represented by these kinds of actions, more power to them. |

RougeOperator
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
180
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:36:00 -
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Karadan Kaarwen wrote:So let me get this straight. An Eve playing douche bag full of internet machismo is unable to distinguish the line between a game and reality, and says some really stupid stuff in the heat of the moment. Internet machismo guy is then unable to backtrack lest look weak in front of his equally ridiculous peers, so does the courageous thing by playing it up as 'nothing special'. Cue hordes of sycophants trying their level-best to defend said douche bag's actions using astonishing idiocy as their reasoning tool.
Why am i not surprised?
I have the feeling public attention over this will force CCP's hand and we won't see Mittani in CSM for much longer. That, or CCP actually want another enormous public relations disaster on their hands.
More or less. They still dont see how freaking serious this is and that it went too far.
Instead of apologizing like he should have mittens decided to dig a deeper hole on this issue.
Dude, mittens, you are wrong in this. Very wrong. |

Villandra Chassind
New Edens United Nation
11
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:36:00 -
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nope |

Heimatar Auctioneer
Republic University Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:36:00 -
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Xython wrote:Heimatar Auctioneer wrote:You still do not understand the crux of this scandal. I suggest that you read from page 1. I understand it perfectly well, you pathetic sockpuppet idiot. Fat lazy pubbies are mad that Mittani got in again, with the BIGGEST MANDATE IN CSM HISTORY and will do anything, anything to try and deflect from that. I suggest you deal with it, but the carebear crowd has shown time and again that they just can't. But hey, remember: EVERYTHING BURNS.
Ummm.... no.
I suggest that you read from page 1. |

Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
330
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:36:00 -
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ViciousCycle wrote:Only in our oh, so sophisticated, Western culture do we act like such insensitive ingrates.
This just in: Goons are Sophisticated, Insensitive Ingrates.
TOTALLY OK WITH THIS |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Clan
136
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:36:00 -
[657] - Quote
If CCP bow to media (and pubbie) pressure, they should prepare for mass unsubs, |

Droodid
Antec Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:36:00 -
[658] - Quote
Why the **** is there 32 pages of this? Why do you people care so much about what happened at what is essentially just a massive party?
Everyone calling for The Mittani to resign or be kicked off the CSM need to take a massive chill pill and get on with their lives. |

Grey Stormshadow
draketrain Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
1071
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:37:00 -
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Repeat for every whiners convenience:
If the suicidal character feels that he/she has been harassed, he/she should file a petition to CCP.
This is nothing what we should be doing for him in these forums. We do not know anything about the individual and this all could turn out to be hoax. People have rights but it is not other man's work to try and enforce them. If this guy wants something, let him decide about his own actions and stop being silly drama queens
Get |

Conu Leonida
Ex 24.7 v3
4
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:37:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:Steelshine wrote:Well I guess if you guys don't like the Mittani you should probably just get 11,000 people to vote for someone you agree with i don,t think the votes Mittens got alts or real accounts matter much now. He lost face ,but the worst part of it CCP and EVE loose face also If the important game media gets hold of this ,they won,t cover a great fanfest but something else ^ this. The media won't go for how awesome the future vision of Eve is, they go for the guy who called for a guy's suicide.
Precisely. Media and other trolls that dislike EVE will go for this like sharks following a blood trail.
No matter that this is an isolated case and that there's a whole plethora of other theme-park MMOs where worse things have happened.
Things like player going undercover, gaining ranks in rival corp and ransacking said corp's wallet and assets is one thing and goes hand in hand with blockbuster movies where the hero gets the girls and/or hits jackpot at the end (aka happyend). Guy taking it out on other players in real life and encouraging cyber-bullying, not so much. |
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