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Stevo
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Posted - 2004.07.05 07:13:00 -
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Ok all this about cloaks....When are we actually gunna know what is going to happen to them?
- WAR IS NOT ABOUT WHO IS
RIGHT, BUT WHO IS LEFT -
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Stevo
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Posted - 2004.07.05 07:13:00 -
[482]
Ok all this about cloaks....When are we actually gunna know what is going to happen to them?
- WAR IS NOT ABOUT WHO IS
RIGHT, BUT WHO IS LEFT -
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.07.05 12:39:00 -
[483]
Just fix the problem without messing up everyones game !
The current 1km decloak is fine, the locking delay is fine.
Mongo speaks !!
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.07.05 12:39:00 -
[484]
Just fix the problem without messing up everyones game !
The current 1km decloak is fine, the locking delay is fine.
Mongo speaks !!
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.07.05 13:15:00 -
[485]
 Originally by: Oveur's Dev Blog
A heated discussion this week has been about cloaking, that gets a temporary change due to an exploit. It now uncloaks if anything is within a 10Km radius. It'll be reverted when the permanent fix is in. It touches too many systems and takes some time to code, and the patch contains too many fixes to delay, so I decided to do it in this way.
what was wrong with threat of ban and leave the 1km decloak  
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.07.05 13:15:00 -
[486]
Originally by: Oveur's Dev Blog
A heated discussion this week has been about cloaking, that gets a temporary change due to an exploit. It now uncloaks if anything is within a 10Km radius. It'll be reverted when the permanent fix is in. It touches too many systems and takes some time to code, and the patch contains too many fixes to delay, so I decided to do it in this way.
what was wrong with threat of ban and leave the 1km decloak
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
lordmix
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Posted - 2004.07.05 15:34:00 -
[487]
well all i can say is this is bull**** i just pay **** load of my hard 2 get isk just 2 have the mod nerfed why why why?????????????? ok this is wot i think we should do give it 10km decloak thingy in empire but in 0.0 should be able 2 do wot u want. does not matter wot u do in 0.0 so why do this, if u wanna give my isk back then do it and go ahead with this silly change.
lordmix
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lordmix
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Posted - 2004.07.05 15:34:00 -
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well all i can say is this is bull**** i just pay **** load of my hard 2 get isk just 2 have the mod nerfed why why why?????????????? ok this is wot i think we should do give it 10km decloak thingy in empire but in 0.0 should be able 2 do wot u want. does not matter wot u do in 0.0 so why do this, if u wanna give my isk back then do it and go ahead with this silly change.
lordmix
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Tigersbane
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Posted - 2004.07.05 15:34:00 -
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Quote:
what was wrong with threat of ban and leave the 1km decloak
You mean like I suggest wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back on page 6 of this thread
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Tigersbane
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Posted - 2004.07.05 15:34:00 -
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Quote:
what was wrong with threat of ban and leave the 1km decloak
You mean like I suggest wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy back on page 6 of this thread
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Axyom
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Posted - 2004.07.05 17:10:00 -
[491]
Originally by: xOm3gAx
i actually agree with the devs on this one... and believe me i hate to agree with them but having done quite a bit of programming myself mostly scripting for mIRC and a bit of web programming i know how it is... you identify the problem, hot fix the problem, release the stable upcomming release and then fix the problem and send a patch out.... my mIRC script is only 10MB in size but let me tell you when your editing scripted files of those sizes hunting down and finding a bug that could merely be a " . " or some other typo can take a LONG time.... ive had problems that were caused by a totally unrelated part of my script which actually corrupted and fried a copy of windows xp on my old irc dev box.. in short its better this way cus you need to test your fixes to be sure they wont do perm damage to the user system... alot of ppl who are talking lazy have no idea what goes into programming and how difficult it truly is... now i do agree that it sux with the 10km nerf but personally id rather have that then the instability we have now and id also rather have that then a rushed fix thats gonna cause more instabilities and problems...
(flames) insert flames here (/flames)
Well, if you insist.
You seem to have missed the entire point of the thread. CP is not tracking down a bug. Cloaks work exactly as they were designed to work. The problem they have is a design flaw.
What they need to do is change the original design of cloaks to avoid abusive player interaction with their CONCORD protection system. The question is how best to change the system, how long it will take, and what to do in the interim. The fact that *you* write buggy programs is not relevant to the discussion.
Once again - this is a public relations and design problem - NOT a programming problem.
Now, as far as I am concerned there is one obvious answer to the problem, and a 10km decloak range is not it.
What CCP needs to do is:
A) Announce what the exploit is, and let people know that they will be banned if they do it.
B) Ban anyone who does it, and let everyone know that people are being banned.
C) Short Term Design Change - Make it so that using a cloak in empire is illegal, and criminally flag anyone who uses one.
D) Long Term Design Change - Fix CONCORD.
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Axyom
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Posted - 2004.07.05 17:10:00 -
[492]
Originally by: xOm3gAx
i actually agree with the devs on this one... and believe me i hate to agree with them but having done quite a bit of programming myself mostly scripting for mIRC and a bit of web programming i know how it is... you identify the problem, hot fix the problem, release the stable upcomming release and then fix the problem and send a patch out.... my mIRC script is only 10MB in size but let me tell you when your editing scripted files of those sizes hunting down and finding a bug that could merely be a " . " or some other typo can take a LONG time.... ive had problems that were caused by a totally unrelated part of my script which actually corrupted and fried a copy of windows xp on my old irc dev box.. in short its better this way cus you need to test your fixes to be sure they wont do perm damage to the user system... alot of ppl who are talking lazy have no idea what goes into programming and how difficult it truly is... now i do agree that it sux with the 10km nerf but personally id rather have that then the instability we have now and id also rather have that then a rushed fix thats gonna cause more instabilities and problems...
(flames) insert flames here (/flames)
Well, if you insist.
You seem to have missed the entire point of the thread. CP is not tracking down a bug. Cloaks work exactly as they were designed to work. The problem they have is a design flaw.
What they need to do is change the original design of cloaks to avoid abusive player interaction with their CONCORD protection system. The question is how best to change the system, how long it will take, and what to do in the interim. The fact that *you* write buggy programs is not relevant to the discussion.
Once again - this is a public relations and design problem - NOT a programming problem.
Now, as far as I am concerned there is one obvious answer to the problem, and a 10km decloak range is not it.
What CCP needs to do is:
A) Announce what the exploit is, and let people know that they will be banned if they do it.
B) Ban anyone who does it, and let everyone know that people are being banned.
C) Short Term Design Change - Make it so that using a cloak in empire is illegal, and criminally flag anyone who uses one.
D) Long Term Design Change - Fix CONCORD.
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Axyom
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Posted - 2004.07.05 17:26:00 -
[493]
Hmmm.... I just read the patch notes.
"You can no longer cloak if objects are within 10km. Entering this 10km buffer around other objects results in decloaking. Please note that these changes are temporary in order to deal with an exploit."
Looks like CCP has managed to completely ignore their customers yet again. 
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Axyom
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Posted - 2004.07.05 17:26:00 -
[494]
Hmmm.... I just read the patch notes.
"You can no longer cloak if objects are within 10km. Entering this 10km buffer around other objects results in decloaking. Please note that these changes are temporary in order to deal with an exploit."
Looks like CCP has managed to completely ignore their customers yet again.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.07.05 17:35:00 -
[495]
Edited by: fairimear on 05/07/2004 17:58:10
Ok let it beggin, from now on every 30 min post how long till cloak fix is done.
but dont flame just ask nicly.
  
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.07.05 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: fairimear on 05/07/2004 17:58:10
Ok let it beggin, from now on every 30 min post how long till cloak fix is done.
but dont flame just ask nicly.
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Eldar Curunirr
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Posted - 2004.07.05 18:31:00 -
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For all you who say cloaks are useless, you must have never used one right. Last night we had someone in a tempest with multiple WCS maybe 4 or even 5, a cloaking device and a MWD. IMPOSSIBLE to catch. She was ganking our indies and cruisers, and 3 scorps, frigate, and a tempest could not catch here, even though she used gates and everything. She'd insta jump to a gate, jump through, we follow, ohh wait, she cloaked before we loaded out screens. And as she flys away at like 100 m/s it gets to the point where theres no way we can catch her, she then warps off. She warps to a gate at 60, cloaks infront of us, flys a different way, we can't find her. So stop whining about how bad it is, just learn to use it right.
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Eldar Curunirr
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Posted - 2004.07.05 18:31:00 -
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For all you who say cloaks are useless, you must have never used one right. Last night we had someone in a tempest with multiple WCS maybe 4 or even 5, a cloaking device and a MWD. IMPOSSIBLE to catch. She was ganking our indies and cruisers, and 3 scorps, frigate, and a tempest could not catch here, even though she used gates and everything. She'd insta jump to a gate, jump through, we follow, ohh wait, she cloaked before we loaded out screens. And as she flys away at like 100 m/s it gets to the point where theres no way we can catch her, she then warps off. She warps to a gate at 60, cloaks infront of us, flys a different way, we can't find her. So stop whining about how bad it is, just learn to use it right.
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.07.05 18:41:00 -
[499]
I thought you couldn't cloak if you were locked. Which is silly.
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Selim
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Posted - 2004.07.05 18:41:00 -
[500]
I thought you couldn't cloak if you were locked. Which is silly.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.07.05 18:43:00 -
[501]
um have u read the other posts.
this is about the hotfix 10km decloak penalty not what cloaks r good/not good for.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.07.05 18:43:00 -
[502]
um have u read the other posts.
this is about the hotfix 10km decloak penalty not what cloaks r good/not good for.
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Neorocke
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Posted - 2004.07.05 19:21:00 -
[503]
Edited by: Neorocke on 05/07/2004 19:23:51
Im sorry oveur.. you have blatently ignored this thread. I dont know why you think you should just go ahead, over all of this stuff. Im extremely sorry but why shouldnt you just go with the customers this time.
What happened to the policy of listening to the customer?
THIS IS A HEATED TOPIC.
This directly interferes with alot of people's gameplay. Like most of the nerfs do. How can we enjoy a game that keeps getting turned upside down? (ie the game gets settled for a bit, the devs decide they dont like it and completely reverse everything... this has happened a few times.. missiles... turrets...)
And the first time something is actually challenged with enough player feedback, it gets ignored. Granted there is *some* exploit out there... WHY TEMPORARILY PUNISH EVERY CUSTOMER?...
Oh, and heres a tid bit.. i was cloaked in a 0.0 belt, a npc rat spawns, bout 40k from me (normal) one of the frigates flies right at me, and bumps my ship, decloaking me, (not normal). If its set at 10k, there will not be any way to keep away from any of the npcs at all. There isnt a way you can use the cloak defensively (before you are targeted) because anyone can fly in your general direction and decloak you before you are even 2k from your last position.
Now some drastic measurements if this patch goes through as is with the 10k nerf, im cancelling my subscription (of which i have been a loyal customer for a year now).
End. (oh yea, im copying the text of this post so if it gets deleted it will be right back up)
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Neorocke
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Posted - 2004.07.05 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Neorocke on 05/07/2004 19:23:51
Im sorry oveur.. you have blatently ignored this thread. I dont know why you think you should just go ahead, over all of this stuff. Im extremely sorry but why shouldnt you just go with the customers this time.
What happened to the policy of listening to the customer?
THIS IS A HEATED TOPIC.
This directly interferes with alot of people's gameplay. Like most of the nerfs do. How can we enjoy a game that keeps getting turned upside down? (ie the game gets settled for a bit, the devs decide they dont like it and completely reverse everything... this has happened a few times.. missiles... turrets...)
And the first time something is actually challenged with enough player feedback, it gets ignored. Granted there is *some* exploit out there... WHY TEMPORARILY PUNISH EVERY CUSTOMER?...
Oh, and heres a tid bit.. i was cloaked in a 0.0 belt, a npc rat spawns, bout 40k from me (normal) one of the frigates flies right at me, and bumps my ship, decloaking me, (not normal). If its set at 10k, there will not be any way to keep away from any of the npcs at all. There isnt a way you can use the cloak defensively (before you are targeted) because anyone can fly in your general direction and decloak you before you are even 2k from your last position.
Now some drastic measurements if this patch goes through as is with the 10k nerf, im cancelling my subscription (of which i have been a loyal customer for a year now).
End. (oh yea, im copying the text of this post so if it gets deleted it will be right back up)
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.07.05 19:26:00 -
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i give up on flaming devs,
just keep asking when r cloaks gona be fixed.
and i know we dont all trust them when they say temp but if we keep this thread up on front page they will keep seeing it.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.07.05 19:26:00 -
[506]
i give up on flaming devs,
just keep asking when r cloaks gona be fixed.
and i know we dont all trust them when they say temp but if we keep this thread up on front page they will keep seeing it.
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Oveur
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Posted - 2004.07.05 19:29:00 -
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The fix is going to be in as short as possible. You'll probably see it on Chaos within this week. It involves a nifty thing with smartbombs, so it needs thorough testing. I'll blog about it when it's ready.
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Oveur
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Posted - 2004.07.05 19:29:00 -
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The fix is going to be in as short as possible. You'll probably see it on Chaos within this week. It involves a nifty thing with smartbombs, so it needs thorough testing. I'll blog about it when it's ready.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.07.05 19:39:00 -
[509]
n1.
see when we treat them well they get things done.
im saying that sheepishly until it hits tq.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.07.05 19:39:00 -
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n1.
see when we treat them well they get things done.
im saying that sheepishly until it hits tq.
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