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Keyser Soze	Posted - 2004.07.02 13:47:00 - [91] The obvious solution would be to disable the smartbombs (too) for the duration of the "uncloaking". Also, since it's a covert ops item, it should be possible to activate a few non-hostile modules while cloaked, like: - ship-scanner, - cargo-scanner, - survey-scanner.
Keyser Soze	Posted - 2004.07.02 13:47:00 - [92] The obvious solution would be to disable the smartbombs (too) for the duration of the "uncloaking". Also, since it's a covert ops item, it should be possible to activate a few non-hostile modules while cloaked, like: - ship-scanner, - cargo-scanner, - survey-scanner.
Oveur	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:11:00 - [93] This is done to prevent an exploit situation with cloaks, where the victim gets CONCORDOKENED. I'll explain the exploit when the patch has been deployed. It's pretty obvious and easy to do and the support queue shows this with the number of cases where this exploit has been used. _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.
Oveur	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:11:00 - [94] This is done to prevent an exploit situation with cloaks, where the victim gets CONCORDOKENED. I'll explain the exploit when the patch has been deployed. It's pretty obvious and easy to do and the support queue shows this with the number of cases where this exploit has been used. _____________________________ I say hey sky, s'other say I won say, I pray to J I get the same ol' same ol.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:26:00 - [95] Edited by: fairimear on 02/07/2004 14:31:59 Edited by: fairimear on 02/07/2004 14:30:13 Then take cloaks out and refund isk to the buyers and body part collectors. no point in it like this. theres got to be a better way round this exploit, or is it a case of half assed fixing. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:26:00 - [96] Edited by: fairimear on 02/07/2004 14:31:59 Edited by: fairimear on 02/07/2004 14:30:13 Then take cloaks out and refund isk to the buyers and body part collectors. no point in it like this. theres got to be a better way round this exploit, or is it a case of half assed fixing. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
G8torSkull	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:41:00 - [97] here is possible exploit. dont know though as i aint able to use a cloak device. say cloaked person A sits in a belt cloaked, miner person B comes into belt mines a bunch of ore then exitsa belt to go get indy but cloaked person A has a indy, he moves into position and steals a indy load of ore and warps away then rinse repeat
G8torSkull	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:41:00 - [98] here is possible exploit. dont know though as i aint able to use a cloak device. say cloaked person A sits in a belt cloaked, miner person B comes into belt mines a bunch of ore then exitsa belt to go get indy but cloaked person A has a indy, he moves into position and steals a indy load of ore and warps away then rinse repeat
fairimear	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:48:00 - [99] dont call that a exploit thats a oversight by devs. and simple fix by not being able to open cans for the 20 sec, after that 20 sec its the same as ne ordinary ore theif. And secondly if thats the problem is this a case of giving into the people that dont have cloaks by making us with them pointless. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:48:00 - [100] dont call that a exploit thats a oversight by devs. and simple fix by not being able to open cans for the 20 sec, after that 20 sec its the same as ne ordinary ore theif. And secondly if thats the problem is this a case of giving into the people that dont have cloaks by making us with them pointless. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Estios	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:51:00 - [101] How is that an exploit ? Ore theft happens in Empire because you cannot do anything about the theif without severe concodoken. In low sec space the exact same thing can happen by any pilot sitting at a moon in his indy scanning the belt for you to leave. Even better he could simply come and wtfpwn you whilst you mine. Cloaked ships still appear on local (which kinda sucks imho) so I fail to see how this would be exploitable or any different that currently. So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Estios	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:51:00 - [102] How is that an exploit ? Ore theft happens in Empire because you cannot do anything about the theif without severe concodoken. In low sec space the exact same thing can happen by any pilot sitting at a moon in his indy scanning the belt for you to leave. Even better he could simply come and wtfpwn you whilst you mine. Cloaked ships still appear on local (which kinda sucks imho) so I fail to see how this would be exploitable or any different that currently. So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Anything	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:53:00 - [103] If there's some exploit, then surely there's another way to fix it. Going to 10km is a massive shaft for everybody who uses the cloak whether they know about the exploit or not, and I'm absolutely positive that the vast majority of the people who are going to feel the sting from this don't even know of any exploit, let alone actually use one. As usual it seems like a ridiculous overcompensation, but hey, I guess that's what everybody gets to expect around here.
Anything	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:53:00 - [104] If there's some exploit, then surely there's another way to fix it. Going to 10km is a massive shaft for everybody who uses the cloak whether they know about the exploit or not, and I'm absolutely positive that the vast majority of the people who are going to feel the sting from this don't even know of any exploit, let alone actually use one. As usual it seems like a ridiculous overcompensation, but hey, I guess that's what everybody gets to expect around here.
Neorocke	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:53:00 - [105] Do you see the vast amount of player feedback? FIX the exploit, not the decloak range to 10km. Make Concord ships know where you are like the npc rats, I mean sheesh, i decloaked soo many times when npcs just approached me and ran RIGHT into a cloaked ship.... Hmmm... But please please, do not nerf the decloak to 10km, that would make this module completely pointless.
Neorocke	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:53:00 - [106] Do you see the vast amount of player feedback? FIX the exploit, not the decloak range to 10km. Make Concord ships know where you are like the npc rats, I mean sheesh, i decloaked soo many times when npcs just approached me and ran RIGHT into a cloaked ship.... Hmmm... But please please, do not nerf the decloak to 10km, that would make this module completely pointless.
Estios	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:55:00 - [107] Edited by: Estios on 02/07/2004 15:02:29 And Oveur, you are doing a nerf to stop people deliberately getting Concord to*****smartbomb users ? Lame Cloaking should be considered a hostile act in Empire space, simple as. As said somewhere else, why on earth would the Amarr or Caldari Navy (or Concord or anyone for that matter) let people fly around THEIR space cloaked ?? It makes no RP sense at all. You are punishing a hundred cloaking users because a couple of tards get their jollies using Concord to do their dirty work (although I do find this tactic rather amusing). If I was Emperor Dorian whatshisface I wouldnt let anyone start flying around my homeworlds cloaked and bypassing my Navy ships undetected. When lame coward noobs used alts to fly around their ships in empire and dive bomb into incoming missles thus getting missle firer killed by Concord you used to reply to petitions with 'Its a valid tactic, Im sorry' but then I guess after a hundred petitions you decided to make missles only hit the intended target ....this was unrealistic but appeased the masses. Why shortcut the fix this time ? Its a pretty lame get out fix if you ask me (not that you did ) Please reconsider because RP simply dictates authorities wouldnt allow Cloaked vessels. Try going into your bank a few time wearing a Ballaclava or Tights over your head and see how long it is before they ask you to remove it (4 mins was my experience ) So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.*
Estios	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:55:00 - [108] Edited by: Estios on 02/07/2004 15:02:29 And Oveur, you are doing a nerf to stop people deliberately getting Concord to*****smartbomb users ? Lame Cloaking should be considered a hostile act in Empire space, simple as. As said somewhere else, why on earth would the Amarr or Caldari Navy (or Concord or anyone for that matter) let people fly around THEIR space cloaked ?? It makes no RP sense at all. You are punishing a hundred cloaking users because a couple of tards get their jollies using Concord to do their dirty work (although I do find this tactic rather amusing). If I was Emperor Dorian whatshisface I wouldnt let anyone start flying around my homeworlds cloaked and bypassing my Navy ships undetected. When lame coward noobs used alts to fly around their ships in empire and dive bomb into incoming missles thus getting missle firer killed by Concord you used to reply to petitions with 'Its a valid tactic, Im sorry' but then I guess after a hundred petitions you decided to make missles only hit the intended target ....this was unrealistic but appeased the masses. Why shortcut the fix this time ? Its a pretty lame get out fix if you ask me (not that you did ) Please reconsider because RP simply dictates authorities wouldnt allow Cloaked vessels. Try going into your bank a few time wearing a Ballaclava or Tights over your head and see how long it is before they ask you to remove it (4 mins was my experience ) So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.*
Faramir	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:56:00 - [109] Originally by: Oveur This is done to prevent an exploit situation with cloaks, where the victim gets CONCORDOKENED. I'll explain the exploit when the patch has been deployed. It's pretty obvious and easy to do and the support queue shows this with the number of cases where this exploit has been used. I must say that if this gets in, the only tactical advantage of a cloaking device will be gone. 10km is a lot! And the problem with "after the patch" is that the following patch will take at least 4 weeks. So if the 10km doesn't work, we'll have to wait what feels like an eternity for it to be fixed again. Please explain why it's 10km and not 1. It's as with all changes... DRASTIC. not 2km, not 3... no we boost by 1000%. And can we have an idea of what CCP thinks the Cloaking device should be used for???? Looking forward to a reply.
Faramir	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:56:00 - [110] Originally by: Oveur This is done to prevent an exploit situation with cloaks, where the victim gets CONCORDOKENED. I'll explain the exploit when the patch has been deployed. It's pretty obvious and easy to do and the support queue shows this with the number of cases where this exploit has been used. I must say that if this gets in, the only tactical advantage of a cloaking device will be gone. 10km is a lot! And the problem with "after the patch" is that the following patch will take at least 4 weeks. So if the 10km doesn't work, we'll have to wait what feels like an eternity for it to be fixed again. Please explain why it's 10km and not 1. It's as with all changes... DRASTIC. not 2km, not 3... no we boost by 1000%. And can we have an idea of what CCP thinks the Cloaking device should be used for???? Looking forward to a reply.
Neorocke	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:59:00 - [111] There isnt a point to the 10km nerf, Its overcompensating to one exploit, that alot of people dont even know for, why punish all the other people who are using cloaks with out exploiting other stuff. If the exploit is the ore theft..... that happens anyway. I think its the fact that you can target, shoot at someone, and cloak, and cocord cant see you to shoot you, wait 15 minutes, repeat... Fix concord not the cloak. BECAUSE that is what cloaks are for. Come on... Bird of Prey? thats what made them so .... cool?
Neorocke	Posted - 2004.07.02 14:59:00 - [112] There isnt a point to the 10km nerf, Its overcompensating to one exploit, that alot of people dont even know for, why punish all the other people who are using cloaks with out exploiting other stuff. If the exploit is the ore theft..... that happens anyway. I think its the fact that you can target, shoot at someone, and cloak, and cocord cant see you to shoot you, wait 15 minutes, repeat... Fix concord not the cloak. BECAUSE that is what cloaks are for. Come on... Bird of Prey? thats what made them so .... cool?
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.02 15:00:00 - [113] I don't have a snowballs chance in hell of ever having a cloaking device, but even still, this nerf seems a bit extreme to me. These 'kneejerk' reactions to things are a little disconcerting...
Attrael	Posted - 2004.07.02 15:00:00 - [114] I don't have a snowballs chance in hell of ever having a cloaking device, but even still, this nerf seems a bit extreme to me. These 'kneejerk' reactions to things are a little disconcerting...
Alex Duron	Posted - 2004.07.02 15:02:00 - [115] Way to go CCP, clasic bait and switch. Promise us geat things to get us to participate in an event then make the reward for our long and hard work a totally useless piece of junk. Very nice. How about just making it so ppl cannot activate smartbombs untill after a delay just like targeting. I mean come on, of absolutly what use is a cloaking device that deactivates or cant be used within 10k of an object? None! Geeze, you guys never cease to amaze me.
Alex Duron	Posted - 2004.07.02 15:02:00 - [116] Way to go CCP, clasic bait and switch. Promise us geat things to get us to participate in an event then make the reward for our long and hard work a totally useless piece of junk. Very nice. How about just making it so ppl cannot activate smartbombs untill after a delay just like targeting. I mean come on, of absolutly what use is a cloaking device that deactivates or cant be used within 10k of an object? None! Geeze, you guys never cease to amaze me.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.07.02 15:02:00 - [117] If this gets in all it will prove is this was half assed and if the exploits that obvious why was this not sorted b4 cloaks got released. It will also show that dev/gms r not litening to the players as u cant belive that ne 1 can suport this rushed fix. And if its about stealing from cans make it so u cant open cans with cloak instaled (this is harsh to but it dont take the tactical advantage away). (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
fairimear	Posted - 2004.07.02 15:02:00 - [118] If this gets in all it will prove is this was half assed and if the exploits that obvious why was this not sorted b4 cloaks got released. It will also show that dev/gms r not litening to the players as u cant belive that ne 1 can suport this rushed fix. And if its about stealing from cans make it so u cant open cans with cloak instaled (this is harsh to but it dont take the tactical advantage away). (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.02 15:02:00 - [119] I haven't used a cloaking device so don't flame me here...I really am just asking. What is it you expect to do with a cloaked ship at, say, 2km that you cannot do at 10km? My understanding was cloaked ships were scouts...not combat vessles. I do agree that if NPCs are all-seeing, all-knowing and jumping on cloaked ships that is messed up.
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.07.02 15:02:00 - [120] I haven't used a cloaking device so don't flame me here...I really am just asking. What is it you expect to do with a cloaked ship at, say, 2km that you cannot do at 10km? My understanding was cloaked ships were scouts...not combat vessles. I do agree that if NPCs are all-seeing, all-knowing and jumping on cloaked ships that is messed up.

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