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Neorocke
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Posted - 2004.07.04 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Neorocke on 04/07/2004 19:50:08
Edited by: Neorocke on 04/07/2004 19:49:38
This is because some people are flaming CCP and are not going about the correct way to get the changes made. PLEASE if you are going to post here, for constructive purposes, be on topic, and well pleasantly annoyed.. we dont need anything extreme.
IF we dont want the nerf to be done, we need the correct support and beat them at their game.
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Neorocke
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Posted - 2004.07.04 19:48:00 -
[452]
Edited by: Neorocke on 04/07/2004 19:50:08
Edited by: Neorocke on 04/07/2004 19:49:38
This is because some people are flaming CCP and are not going about the correct way to get the changes made. PLEASE if you are going to post here, for constructive purposes, be on topic, and well pleasantly annoyed.. we dont need anything extreme.
IF we dont want the nerf to be done, we need the correct support and beat them at their game.
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.07.04 19:52:00 -
[453]
 Originally by: Neorocke
Edited by: Neorocke on 04/07/2004 19:50:08
Edited by: Neorocke on 04/07/2004 19:49:38
This is because some people are flaming CCP and are not going about the correct way to get the changes made. PLEASE if you are going to post here, for constructive purposes, be on topic, and well pleasantly annoyed.. we dont need anything extreme.
I have nothing else to add. Drats!
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
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Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.07.04 19:52:00 -
[454]
Originally by: Neorocke
Edited by: Neorocke on 04/07/2004 19:50:08
Edited by: Neorocke on 04/07/2004 19:49:38
This is because some people are flaming CCP and are not going about the correct way to get the changes made. PLEASE if you are going to post here, for constructive purposes, be on topic, and well pleasantly annoyed.. we dont need anything extreme.
I have nothing else to add. Drats!
I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage
Mail [email protected] if you have any questions. |
MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2004.07.04 20:08:00 -
[455]
Edited by: MOOstradamus on 04/07/2004 20:09:13
Instead of wasting time deleting fairly tame posts in this thread by JC and myself maybe someone should scoot over to: THREAD ... 
I mean its only been like that ALL DAY 
MOOrovingian  "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2004.07.04 20:08:00 -
[456]
Edited by: MOOstradamus on 04/07/2004 20:09:13
Instead of wasting time deleting fairly tame posts in this thread by JC and myself maybe someone should scoot over to: THREAD ...
I mean its only been like that ALL DAY
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2004.07.04 21:22:00 -
[457]
Originally by: Oveur
You won't. But these were the choices:
- Hotfix the exploit with this patch by changing almost nothing codewise and do the long term solution later
- Do the long term solution, delaying the patch, having the exploit in the open until that and not able to deploy all the fixes
- Banning cloaks in Empire, causing an uproar
- Banning smartbombs (duh)
For me the choice was obvious and it had to be done.
2 words.
Inadequate testing.
You *HAVE* to get more people on the test servers. You have 8000 players at peak times. Why are there not 100's on the test server? Why aren't you employing more testers? Why not just give some free play time to people willing to play on the test server? MMORPG addicts come pretty damned cheap you know...
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spurious signal
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Posted - 2004.07.04 21:22:00 -
[458]
Originally by: Oveur
You won't. But these were the choices:
- Hotfix the exploit with this patch by changing almost nothing codewise and do the long term solution later
- Do the long term solution, delaying the patch, having the exploit in the open until that and not able to deploy all the fixes
- Banning cloaks in Empire, causing an uproar
- Banning smartbombs (duh)
For me the choice was obvious and it had to be done.
2 words.
Inadequate testing.
You *HAVE* to get more people on the test servers. You have 8000 players at peak times. Why are there not 100's on the test server? Why aren't you employing more testers? Why not just give some free play time to people willing to play on the test server? MMORPG addicts come pretty damned cheap you know...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.04 21:25:00 -
[459]
I blame MOOstradamus.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.07.04 21:25:00 -
[460]
I blame MOOstradamus.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.04 21:57:00 -
[461]
Imho the best way to stop the exloit and not to annoy most of ous would be to :
a) disable cloaks in empire for now.
b) do the nerf only in empire space.
I really thing you would save us a lot of annoyance and yourself lots lots of flames.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
Earthan
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Posted - 2004.07.04 21:57:00 -
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Imho the best way to stop the exloit and not to annoy most of ous would be to :
a) disable cloaks in empire for now.
b) do the nerf only in empire space.
I really thing you would save us a lot of annoyance and yourself lots lots of flames.
Stars, stars like dust, all around me.... |
MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2004.07.04 21:57:00 -
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/me openly takes responsibility whilst sneakily contriving a plot with which to frame JC ... 
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2004.07.04 21:57:00 -
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/me openly takes responsibility whilst sneakily contriving a plot with which to frame JC ...
MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.07.04 22:33:00 -
[465]
no need for a if they put b in temoraraly
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.07.04 22:33:00 -
[466]
no need for a if they put b in temoraraly
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(> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world Domination.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.07.04 22:59:00 -
[467]
Edited by: Hakera on 04/07/2004 23:01:50
I blame all Eve's Problems on Josh's employment history, it crashes a node anytime someone looks it up! 
Seriously, just use threat of ban and keep it as it is.
tbh - a decloak should only occur within 1k of a ship/gate or station, having a rocket decloak you is silly or players using lots of jet cans. I would even go further to say that you should need a sensor module to even detect cloaked ships imo.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Hakera
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Posted - 2004.07.04 22:59:00 -
[468]
Edited by: Hakera on 04/07/2004 23:01:50
I blame all Eve's Problems on Josh's employment history, it crashes a node anytime someone looks it up!
Seriously, just use threat of ban and keep it as it is.
tbh - a decloak should only occur within 1k of a ship/gate or station, having a rocket decloak you is silly or players using lots of jet cans. I would even go further to say that you should need a sensor module to even detect cloaked ships imo.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
jukriamrr
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Posted - 2004.07.04 23:11:00 -
[469]
Well do not forget us little players, who have trained for covert ops/black ops for nearly the past month and hoping the cloaks would one day be available for cheaper than they are now.
Frigate 5: 12 days
Electronic upgrades: 10 days
Navigation 5: 5 days
Cloaking 4: 5-6 days
That's a whole month ... a whole month. Now frigate 5 is always useful to have, granted, but electronic upgrades? nah, I though so as well...
How about hypereuclidian navigation? Will it be released any time soon?
By all this I mean .. some players do not want to be the damage dealers. There are some scouts out there, and I'm one of them.
Please do not implement this punishing 10km range.
Thanks :)
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jukriamrr
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Posted - 2004.07.04 23:11:00 -
[470]
Well do not forget us little players, who have trained for covert ops/black ops for nearly the past month and hoping the cloaks would one day be available for cheaper than they are now.
Frigate 5: 12 days
Electronic upgrades: 10 days
Navigation 5: 5 days
Cloaking 4: 5-6 days
That's a whole month ... a whole month. Now frigate 5 is always useful to have, granted, but electronic upgrades? nah, I though so as well...
How about hypereuclidian navigation? Will it be released any time soon?
By all this I mean .. some players do not want to be the damage dealers. There are some scouts out there, and I'm one of them.
Please do not implement this punishing 10km range.
Thanks :)
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Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2004.07.05 02:04:00 -
[471]
how about adding this to the cloaking code:
uncloak_radius = (sol_sec<0.5||at_war)?1km:10km;
Also, TBH they are only any good in 0.0 space really, so how about:
cloak_enabled = (sol_sec<0.5);
and if it has something to do with sentry guns then this:
cloak_enabled = (sol_sec<0.05);
The latter will ovbiously annoy people at war in empire space, but it's got to be better than annoying everyone in 0.0 who really benefits from this technology.
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Intergalactic Teeth Pullers
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein |
Jaabaa Prime
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Posted - 2004.07.05 02:04:00 -
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how about adding this to the cloaking code:
uncloak_radius = (sol_sec<0.5||at_war)?1km:10km;
Also, TBH they are only any good in 0.0 space really, so how about:
cloak_enabled = (sol_sec<0.5);
and if it has something to do with sentry guns then this:
cloak_enabled = (sol_sec<0.05);
The latter will ovbiously annoy people at war in empire space, but it's got to be better than annoying everyone in 0.0 who really benefits from this technology.
--
Intergalactic Teeth Pullers
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
Albert Einstein |
Pharuan
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Posted - 2004.07.05 02:48:00 -
[473]
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
how about adding this to the cloaking code:
uncloak_radius = (sol_sec<0.5||at_war)?1km:10km;
Also, TBH they are only any good in 0.0 space really, so how about:
cloak_enabled = (sol_sec<0.5);
and if it has something to do with sentry guns then this:
cloak_enabled = (sol_sec<0.05);
The latter will ovbiously annoy people at war in empire space, but it's got to be better than annoying everyone in 0.0 who really benefits from this technology.
How about none of that.
1km decloak in any sec status area. if you get smartbombed, concord didnt see it, you need to move away, and everyone is fine.
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Pharuan
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Posted - 2004.07.05 02:48:00 -
[474]
Originally by: Jaabaa Prime
how about adding this to the cloaking code:
uncloak_radius = (sol_sec<0.5||at_war)?1km:10km;
Also, TBH they are only any good in 0.0 space really, so how about:
cloak_enabled = (sol_sec<0.5);
and if it has something to do with sentry guns then this:
cloak_enabled = (sol_sec<0.05);
The latter will ovbiously annoy people at war in empire space, but it's got to be better than annoying everyone in 0.0 who really benefits from this technology.
How about none of that.
1km decloak in any sec status area. if you get smartbombed, concord didnt see it, you need to move away, and everyone is fine.
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Kilhu Emmek
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Posted - 2004.07.05 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Pharuan
1km decloak in any sec status area. if you get smartbombed, concord didnt see it, you need to move away, and everyone is fine.
A perfectly fine solution. Corp mate of mine had a great one, too: if you're cloaked, you're flagged criminal, so no sec hits, etc., if you sneak into harms' way.
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Read our Code of Conduct before applying.
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Kilhu Emmek
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Posted - 2004.07.05 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Pharuan
1km decloak in any sec status area. if you get smartbombed, concord didnt see it, you need to move away, and everyone is fine.
A perfectly fine solution. Corp mate of mine had a great one, too: if you're cloaked, you're flagged criminal, so no sec hits, etc., if you sneak into harms' way.
Gradient is hiring.
Read our Code of Conduct before applying.
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Axyom
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Posted - 2004.07.05 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kilhu Emmek
Corp mate of mine had a great one, too: if you're cloaked, you're flagged criminal, so no sec hits, etc., if you sneak into harms' way.
Now that is simply brilliant.
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Axyom
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Posted - 2004.07.05 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kilhu Emmek
Corp mate of mine had a great one, too: if you're cloaked, you're flagged criminal, so no sec hits, etc., if you sneak into harms' way.
Now that is simply brilliant.
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xOm3gAx
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Posted - 2004.07.05 06:57:00 -
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i actually agree with the devs on this one... and believe me i hate to agree with them but having done quite a bit of programming myself mostly scripting for mIRC and a bit of web programming i know how it is... you identify the problem, hot fix the problem, release the stable upcomming release and then fix the problem and send a patch out.... my mIRC script is only 10MB in size but let me tell you when your editing scripted files of those sizes hunting down and finding a bug that could merely be a " . " or some other typo can take a LONG time.... ive had problems that were caused by a totally unrelated part of my script which actually corrupted and fried a copy of windows xp on my old irc dev box.. in short its better this way cus you need to test your fixes to be sure they wont do perm damage to the user system... alot of ppl who are talking lazy have no idea what goes into programming and how difficult it truly is... now i do agree that it sux with the 10km nerf but personally id rather have that then the instability we have now and id also rather have that then a rushed fix thats gonna cause more instabilities and problems...
(flames) insert flames here (/flames)
ps - dont complain about lazy dev's until you write a program in equal size to all the relavent game data in both the eve-client and eve-servers =)
Oh and devs if you make me look bad in stickin up for you and dont fix it im gonna be very very angry and you wotn like me when im angry =)
l8rs pplz
-x0m
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*Decloaks and starts blasting your sig* Applesauce Biotch
~~~My Banner got nerfed~~~
But I still love the mods anyway
Succumb to your nightmares
Darkness shall embrace you |
xOm3gAx
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Posted - 2004.07.05 06:57:00 -
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i actually agree with the devs on this one... and believe me i hate to agree with them but having done quite a bit of programming myself mostly scripting for mIRC and a bit of web programming i know how it is... you identify the problem, hot fix the problem, release the stable upcomming release and then fix the problem and send a patch out.... my mIRC script is only 10MB in size but let me tell you when your editing scripted files of those sizes hunting down and finding a bug that could merely be a " . " or some other typo can take a LONG time.... ive had problems that were caused by a totally unrelated part of my script which actually corrupted and fried a copy of windows xp on my old irc dev box.. in short its better this way cus you need to test your fixes to be sure they wont do perm damage to the user system... alot of ppl who are talking lazy have no idea what goes into programming and how difficult it truly is... now i do agree that it sux with the 10km nerf but personally id rather have that then the instability we have now and id also rather have that then a rushed fix thats gonna cause more instabilities and problems...
(flames) insert flames here (/flames)
ps - dont complain about lazy dev's until you write a program in equal size to all the relavent game data in both the eve-client and eve-servers =)
Oh and devs if you make me look bad in stickin up for you and dont fix it im gonna be very very angry and you wotn like me when im angry =)
l8rs pplz
-x0m
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*Decloaks and starts blasting your sig* Applesauce Biotch
~~~My Banner got nerfed~~~
But I still love the mods anyway
Succumb to your nightmares
Darkness shall embrace you |
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