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EvilweaselFinance
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:00:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:
Are you really going to pretend it all comes down to one thing? Am I supposed to just fall for this line of reasoning?
I expect you to use the grey matter. If you do not tank your ship and then get blown up by a destroyer it is entirely your fault. The ganker simply took advantage of your stupidity/greed. Which goes back to the point, why fly the hulk at all? Fly the covetor instead. yet people fly the hulk in droves, indicating you are once again wrong |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
589
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:00:00 -
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EvilweaselFinance wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:baltec1 wrote: So its not the pilots fault for not tanking their ship?
Are you really going to pretend it all comes down to one thing? Am I supposed to just fall for this line of reasoning? nobody expects you to do much of anything with a line of reasoning besides stare blankly at it and wonder if you can eat it
Ah the block feature, how nice |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
309
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:00:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Tippia wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:So why does the ganker get a security status penalty, he should be blameless, right? What on earth are you on about? Why should he be blameless? You said it was the victims fault 100%? Is there some sliver above 100% that I am unaware of? Shall we check your math? 100% seems pretty absolute to me, how about you? Tippia wrote:He gets the sec status penalty because he chooses to. The Hulk player is at fault for being easy to kill because he chooses to be easy to kill. What's confusing you about this very simple relationship? Quote:Are you really going to pretend it all comes down to one thing? Am I supposed to just fall for this line of reasoning? How is it not the player's fault if he chooses not to tank his ship? And your equivocation and huburis is exposed. Thanks for playing. That looks like vaginal irritation due to an excess of silicon dioxide granules to me, TBFH. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6009
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:01:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:You said it was the victims fault 100% Learn to read.  Yes, it's 100% the victim's fault if he chooses to make himself easy to kill. What's confusing you about this?
Why on earth would that suddenly make the attacker blameless for attacking and not earn him a sec penalty?
Quote:Which goes back to the point, why fly the hulk at all? Fly the covetor instead. GǪwhich goes back to the point: why does the Hulk need a buff, since it's obviously so much better than the Covetor that everyone is flying it, rather than what you claim to be an equally good ship?
Jojo Jackson wrote:To make it eazy target for gankers? No. To define its role. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Fractal Muse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:03:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote: So why is there a thread every thirty seconds.
Because High Sec miners tend to mine afk or doing something else at the same time.
Their ships are, for all intents and purposes, in a 0 risk situation -except- when Hulkageddon comes around. They are used to being, for intents and purposes, in a risk free position.
Typically suicide gankers do not target hulks because there is no real value to it.
Since Hulkageddon is, once again, around the corner miners are freaking out.
Instead of learning how to fit a bit of a tank onto their ship and paying attention while mining (keeping an eye on local, scanning, being aligned to a safe spot, you know all the stuff one usually learns quickly in 0.0 or low sec) many will complain about the ship. The ones who don't complain simply fit a tank, pay attention, and continue on. Others dock up and join the festivities. Some buy up hulks in advance and play the market. But there are always those who don't like having to adapt and learn something new so they head to the forums to complain and whine.
They want CCP to compensate for their lack of attention and knowledge for a player run event.
The hulk is a mining ship. It does what it does very well otherwise it wouldn't be used. The hulk isn't meant to be a tanking ship.
I wonder how the forums will react after destroy Jita day (I hope that one will become a regular event as well). Look for the incoming requests for freighter buffs and hauler 'fixes.'
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
589
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:05:00 -
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Tippia wrote:[quote=Adunh Slavy]You said it was the victims fault 100% Learn to read.  Yes, it's 100% the victim's fault if he chooses to make himself easy to kill. What's confusing you about this?
Learn not be so overly dramatic with your 100% absolutes. |

Sycho Pathic
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:06:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:baltec1 wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:
Are you really going to pretend it all comes down to one thing? Am I supposed to just fall for this line of reasoning?
I expect you to use the grey matter. If you do not tank your ship and then get blown up by a destroyer it is entirely your fault. The ganker simply took advantage of your stupidity/greed. Which goes back to the point, why fly the hulk at all? Fly the covetor instead.
Because Covetorgeddon doesn't have the same ring to it, I guess.
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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
128
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Yes, it's 100% the victim's fault if he chooses to make himself easy to kill. What's confusing you about this? Wrong.
CCP FORCES them to be a victim with gimped slot layouts and fitting stats!
In addition some "you mad bro" loser PvPer chose to pick eazy targets as he was to unskilled to survive real PvP. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6009
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:07:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Learn not be so overly dramatic with your 100% absolutes. What's dramatic about it?
Is it, or is it not, the victim who has chosen to make his ship easy to kill? If it's not the victim, please explain how someone managed to change his fit into something he didn't want to use, and how that someone managed to force the victim to undock when he didn't want to.
Jojo Jackson wrote:Wrong.
CCP FORCES them to be a victim with cimped slot layouts and fitting stats GǪexcept that you can still choose to fit a tank or choose not to, and that decision is 100% yours. No-one else can make it for you. If you choose to not fit a tank, then it is 100% your fault for choosing to make your ship easy to kill.
In addition, you can choose to pick another ship. People choose not to, for some odd reasonGǪ but again, that choice is 100% up to you, and you cannot blame anyone else but yourself for your choice. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
589
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:08:00 -
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Sycho Pathic wrote: Because Covetorgeddon doesn't have the same ring to it, I guess.
That I can buy |
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Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
309
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:08:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Tippia wrote:Yes, it's 100% the victim's fault if he chooses to make himself easy to kill. What's confusing you about this? Wrong. CCP FORCES them to be a victim with gimped slot layouts and fitting stats! In addition some "you mad bro" loser PvPer chose to pick eazy targets as he was to unskilled to survive real PvP. I like how you're claiming you're forced to be a loser by CCP, not by your choice of playstyle or your individual gameplay proficiency. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
589
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:09:00 -
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meh stupid interwebs |

Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
433
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DamnationArmored Warfare Link - Damage Control II Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense II Armored Warfare Link - Rapid Repair II Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers II Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment II Information Warfare Link - Sensor Integrity II 4+ù Command Processor I 6+ù Co-Processor II 2+ù Medium Trimark Armor Pump I GǪoh dear. At just under 50k EHP, It can also be ganked by a small gang of destroyers. It's obvious that the Damnation needs to have its tanking abilities drastically buffed because it's such a weak ship. 
Nice going comparing apples with tech moons. 
Who needs television when you have EVE? EVE drama, best drama. |

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
128
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:12:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Tippia wrote:Yes, it's 100% the victim's fault if he chooses to make himself easy to kill. What's confusing you about this? Wrong. CCP FORCES them to be a victim with gimped slot layouts and fitting stats! In addition some "you mad bro" loser PvPer chose to pick eazy targets as he was to unskilled to survive real PvP. I like how you're claiming you're forced to be a loser by CCP, not by your choice of playstyle or your individual gameplay proficiency. So much fail, unbeliveble and terrible troll attemp.
There is just one reason you pick Hulks+Industrials : YOU are to bad for real PvP Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6009
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:12:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Nice going comparing apples with tech moons.  Good thing that I didn't then. I compared a GÇ£fit for its roleGÇ¥ fit with the kind of GÇ£fit for its roleGÇ¥ fit that people want to put on their Hulks, after which they complain that their Hulks need to be buffed because of how weak they become with that role-specific fit.
If you fit the Damnation for its role, it's a weak ship and obviously needs to have its tank buffedGǪ or maybe you could just fit a tank to it and see what happens, much like how you could approach fitting a hulk. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
589
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:Learn not be so overly dramatic with your 100% absolutes. What's dramatic about it? Is it, or is it not, the victim who has chosen to make his ship easy to kill? If it's not the victim, please explain how someone managed to change his fit into something he didn't want to use, and how that someone managed to force the victim to undock when he didn't want to.
There is no such thing as a gank proof ship. There is no point in putting on as much tank as the cost of an insured covetor. The hulk is redundant.
The drama is you running around calling people idiots and blaming them for 100% of things, much of which is beyond their control. Doing what you can to make it a black and white argument is beneath you. |

Avila Cracko
309
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:16:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Tippia wrote:DamnationArmored Warfare Link - Damage Control II Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense II Armored Warfare Link - Rapid Repair II Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers II Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment II Information Warfare Link - Sensor Integrity II 4+ù Command Processor I 6+ù Co-Processor II 2+ù Medium Trimark Armor Pump I GǪoh dear. At just under 50k EHP, It can also be ganked by a small gang of destroyers. It's obvious that the Damnation needs to have its tanking abilities drastically buffed because it's such a weak ship.  Nice going comparing apples with tech moons. 
Tippia wrote:Pak Narhoo wrote:Nice going comparing apples with tech moons.  Good thing that I didn't then. I compared a Gǣfit for its roleGǥ fit with the kind of Gǣfit for its roleGǥ fit that people want to put on their Hulks, after which they complain that their Hulks need to be buffed because of how weak they become with that role-specific fit. If you fit the Damnation for its role, it's a weak ship and obviously needs to have its tank buffedGǪ or maybe you could just fit a tank to it and see what happens, much like how you could approach fitting a hulk.
You see... she just said that Hulk should have 50k EHP. Hulk is BC sized T2 ship, and fitted for its role should have "just under 50k EHP", just like Damnation.
Where to sign???    truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
309
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:17:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Darth Gustav wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Tippia wrote:Yes, it's 100% the victim's fault if he chooses to make himself easy to kill. What's confusing you about this? Wrong. CCP FORCES them to be a victim with gimped slot layouts and fitting stats! In addition some "you mad bro" loser PvPer chose to pick eazy targets as he was to unskilled to survive real PvP. I like how you're claiming you're forced to be a loser by CCP, not by your choice of playstyle or your individual gameplay proficiency. So much fail, unbeliveble and terrible troll attemp. There is just one reason you pick Hulks+Industrials : YOU are to bad for real PvP You forgot about:
Because idiot carebears livestream their mining ops so we can gank them and watch ourselves ganking them at the same time, for lulz.
That's really a pretty valid (and epic) reason TBFH.
[Edit: Sometimes there's even a webcam involved. Thoe are some special fruitcakes right there.] He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
433
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:19:00 -
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Fractal Muse wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote: So why is there a thread every thirty seconds.
Instead of learning how to fit a bit of a tank onto their ship and paying attention while mining (keeping an eye on local, scanning, being aligned to a safe spot
Sigh, another one who never actually mined (yes you are smart for doing not so). You DO realize that at some point I lose contact with the stooped roid and sluggish as that brick in space is, if I'm not blind by pure boredom or just look the other way because i'm distracted having doing NOT A THING for ages I lose whatever is between the roid and my under tanked Hulk, while I try to make a turn to a second safespot?
Mining is one of the worst badly developed and implemented, even under developed things in EVE with CCP looking the other way for over 6 years.
Who needs television when you have EVE? EVE drama, best drama. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6009
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:21:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:There is no such thing as a gank proof ship. There is no point in putting on as much tank as the cost of an insured covetor. The hulk is redundant. GǪexcept that numbers prove you wrong. The Hulk is far more popular than the Covetor because of the advantages it provides, and it is far from redundant. In fact, if anything, it's the Covetor that is redundant due to how poorly it performs for what it requires (which is why they're adjusting it to make it a bit more appealing in Inferno).
Its popularity also demonstrates that it's not really in any greater need of a buff GÇö if it were, it wouldn't be nearly as popular, especially if it's so close to a Covetor as you claim. But again, there's a reason they're adjusting the Covetor, not the Hulk, in the next expansionGǪ
Quote:The drama is you running around calling people idiots and blaming them for 100% of things It's not dramatic to say that your choice is your choice GÇö it's actually the most trivial of truisms. If you choose to make your ship easy to kill, then you choose make your ship easy to kill. The result is easy to see: the ship is now easy to kill; you chose this to happen; it is 100% your fault. This decision is entirely within your control. No matter how much you'd like to shift the blame elsewhere, no-one but you are responsible for the choices you make.
No-one is claiming that it can be made gank-proof. We're claiming that if you make it easier to gank than it needs to be, then that's entirely of your own choosing, and you bad decision is not an adequate reason to change the ship. It is and adequate reason for you to reconsider your decision and make a less bad one the next timeGǪ Your failure is not a game design problem.
Jojo Jackson wrote:There is just one reason you pick Hulks+Industrials : YOU are to bad for real PvP Have you thought about learning how to PvP? It's not all that hardGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
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Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
387
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:22:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:Fractal Muse wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote: So why is there a thread every thirty seconds.
Instead of learning how to fit a bit of a tank onto their ship and paying attention while mining (keeping an eye on local, scanning, being aligned to a safe spot Sigh, another one who never actually mined (yes you are smart for doing not so). You DO realize that at some point I lose contact with the stooped roid and sluggish as that brick in space is, if I'm not blind by pure boredom or just look the other way because i'm distracted having doing NOT A THING for ages I lose whatever is between the roid and my under tanked Hulk, while I try to make a turn to a second safespot? Mining is one of the worst badly developed and implemented, even under developed things in EVE with CCP looking the other way for over 6 years.
see the part where I said "CCP doesnt want to to mine"
theyre "looking the other way" for a reason
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
128
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:23:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DamnationArmored Warfare Link - Damage Control II Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense II Armored Warfare Link - Rapid Repair II Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers II Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment II Information Warfare Link - Sensor Integrity II 4+ù Command Processor I 6+ù Co-Processor II 2+ù Medium Trimark Armor Pump I GǪoh dear. At just under 50k EHP, It can also be ganked by a small gang of destroyers. It's obvious that the Damnation needs to have its tanking abilities drastically buffed because it's such a weak ship.  If you abuse a ship out of it's intened use ... YOU fail. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
309
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:23:00 -
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No you see Tippia he was implying the only reason to pick hulks/industrials as targets is that we are bad at PVP.
I assure you - I am no such thing. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6009
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:25:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:If you abuse a ship out of it's intened use ... YOU fail. Congratulations GÇö you just saw our entire point. Don't abuse a ship by focusing on just one aspect and neglecting the rest, and suddenly, it will perform much better than you thought it did in areas you didn't think of at firstGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |

Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
128
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:There is just one reason you pick Hulks+Industrials : YOU are to bad for real PvP Have you thought about learning how to PvP? It's not all that hardGǪ Why should I if I don't like it?
And who tells you I wouldn't know how to?
But I must be blind and stupid to not see the gimpnes of Mining and Industrial ships. Even my hamster might have enough brain to see it. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
310
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:28:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:Tippia wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:There is just one reason you pick Hulks+Industrials : YOU are to bad for real PvP Have you thought about learning how to PvP? It's not all that hardGǪ Why should I if I don't like it? And who tells you I wouldn't know how to? But I must be blind and stupid to not see the gimpnes of Mining and Industrial ships. Even my hamster might have enough brain to see it. By your logic all battleship pilots would be fools to not see the epic gimpness of their mining capabilities.
Meanwhile, non-morons call this a "role" and accept it. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
387
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:28:00 -
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maybe its they dont want you to mine but they have to allow it cause its a sandbox an all
Jojo Jackson wrote:Tippia wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:There is just one reason you pick Hulks+Industrials : YOU are to bad for real PvP Have you thought about learning how to PvP? It's not all that hardGǪ Why should I if I don't like it? And who tells you I wouldn't know how to? But I must be blind and stupid to not see the gimpnes of Mining and Industrial ships. Even my hamster might have enough brain to see it.
But its a PVP sandbox...
(sarcasm) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
589
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:29:00 -
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@ Tip The amount of complaints about its lack of survivability proves something as well. Of course this is easier to ignore right?
You can cease with the personl pronouns about how and what I fit, the hulk I do have is rather old, and until very recently wasn't worth undocking at all, and frankly still isn't.
And there are better ways to make a ship gank proof than fitting a tank, but I'll let you ponder that one, see if it'll drag you out of your black and white box of safe arguments. |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
310
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:32:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:@ Tip The amount of complaints about its lack of survivability proves something as well. Of course this is easier to ignore right?
You can cease with the personl pronouns about how and what I fit, the hulk I do have is rather old, and until very recently wasn't worth undocking at all, and frankly still isn't.
And there are better ways to make a ship gank proof than fitting a tank, but I'll let you ponder that one, see if it'll drag you out of your black and white box of safe arguments. ZOMFGCLOAKYNULLIFIEDDOUBLEINSURANCEPAYOUTCONCORPROOFPREGANKANTIGANKDOREBOATS?
Sperg on. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
387
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Posted - 2012.04.11 18:35:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Tippia wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:There is just one reason you pick Hulks+Industrials : YOU are to bad for real PvP Have you thought about learning how to PvP? It's not all that hardGǪ Why should I if I don't like it? And who tells you I wouldn't know how to? But I must be blind and stupid to not see the gimpnes of Mining and Industrial ships. Even my hamster might have enough brain to see it. By your logic all battleship pilots would be fools to not see the epic gimpness of their mining capabilities. Meanwhile, non-morons call this a "role" and accept it.
I think theres more a hamster like intelligence to try an say you shouldnt HAVE to PVP in THIS game -.-
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
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