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Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
78
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Show me a respectable Hulk tank with tech II strip miners and a roid scanner. [Hulk, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Rock-Scanning Sensor Array I Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Use a +4 implant to fit. 29k tank. You can use more implants to get the tank even bigger.
And yet nobody is happy
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Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
572
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:19:00 -
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Well i'll be damned lol It still has 8,000 cargo hold too.
baltec1 wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Show me a respectable Hulk tank with tech II strip miners and a roid scanner. [Hulk, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Rock-Scanning Sensor Array I Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Use a +4 implant to fit. 29k tank. You can use more implants to get the tank even bigger.
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Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
78
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:24:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Well i'll be damned lol It still has 8,000 cargo hold too. baltec1 wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Show me a respectable Hulk tank with tech II strip miners and a roid scanner. [Hulk, New Setup 2] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Rock-Scanning Sensor Array I Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Use a +4 implant to fit. 29k tank. You can use more implants to get the tank even bigger.
So why is there a thread every thirty seconds.
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Spurty
D00M. Northern Coalition.
232
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:25:00 -
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Meh
Give all these ships x3 tank
Make concord take x3 longer to appear
Evolve play a bit ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Eternum Praetorian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
572
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:27:00 -
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26,700 EHP Iteron Mark V with 15,500 m3 cargo hold lol.
Passive Regen: 114 Resists: 75.9, 77.2, 72.8, 77.4
[Iteron Mark V, Tank] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Field II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
[empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
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Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
78
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:28:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Meh
Give all these ships x3 tank
Make concord take x3 longer to appear
Evolve play a bit
Yeah, Hulks with 100k EHP, great plan |
Prince Kobol
529
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:29:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:
So why is there a thread every thirty seconds.
Simply because people are to damn lazy and just want to fly to a random belt and mine afk.
So when they do and come back to a floating pod they come on the forums and scream that hulks should have the same tank as a Titan. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
294
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:31:00 -
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Hulk is fine. Miners are the problem.
If the Hulk was 'bad' nobody would use it. They would fly Covetors instead. The Hulk is in the top five of 'most flown ships' - 3rd IIRC. The Covetor is WAY down the list.
Pretty obvious to me that what these carebears want - is massive EHP without having to dedicate low and rigs slots for the purpose. Essentially, 75-80K EHP on the standard '2x Cargo mod/MLU, 2x Cargo rig" fit.
Then, they will lobby for even more Concord buffs/ganking nerfs - rendering ganks nearly impossible. Sure, it will still be 'possible' - but if it requires the coordination of a large group and/or massive loss of ISK on each gank....it will be an exceedingly rare event.
Result: Carebear miner paradise, where Hulks can AFK/macro mine all day. Risk free. |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
247
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:37:00 -
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Roime wrote:Why do people still insist on mining in hisec?
They mine the low end which the nullbears aren't willing to mine becasue of ISK per hour. Any nullbear miner who mines anything else than ABC's is an idiot. If I only mine the ABC's and sell part of the zyd and mega in high sec I can purchase all the low ends I need, compress them and jump them into null. That saves a lot of time and makes my Isk per hour more attractive.
But Isk per hour is something only nullbears are allowed to pursuit. How dare high sec people try the same.
The whole bladibla about fitting an ueberawesome tank is a moot debate. I have seen more than once mining ops in null sec and they don't even fit such tanks, mainly due to the fact they have much more ease in avoiding hostiles. neuts and blue's are announced several systems away.
Try to do the same in hi sec.
Hulk tanks are fine when tanking rats, be it null sec rats or hi sec rats. But when it comes to gankers no tank will hold long enough if the ganker knows what he's doing. The nullbear just keeps an eye on the intel channel and goes to safety long before a hostile drops by. A lot of mining also happens in pocketsystems. Gates bubbled up like hell. So any hostiles have to burn through 30 or 40 bubbles before they can warp. Again enough time to safe up. Now show me the hi sec pocket system that has the ability to make people unable to warp to you for a huge range around the gate.
It's ridiculous that a Hulk requires to be a lot heavier tanked in high sec than null sec. |
Kreeia Dgore
EntroPrelatial Industria EntroPraetorian Aegis
1
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:39:00 -
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How about CCP does their job and ban bots and changes mining to enforce being present at keyboard? It is needed, 26% people hate it, it is most hated game mechanics in the whole eve. Anyway, hulks need boost since gankers are boosted too. Bots don't care, real life players do. |
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Droxlyn
TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate
70
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:44:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:
So now people are saying that CCP should buff the hulk because of the Covetor.
Hulk can mine more, tank a lot more, can carry more cargo, has better resists, has more CPU, has a better capacitor.
Erm.. Hulk is a better ship then a Covetor.
Also do not use price as an argument since its the player base, not CCP that dictates the price.
The Hulk is the T2 version of the Covetor, so it would make sense to compare the two. I agree that the hulk is "better" than the covetor, but it doesn't go far enough to justify its 10x price.
It mines 15% more when each are maxed for mining.
Sitting in an empty covetor gives me 6005 EHP, sitting in an empty Hulk gets me 9217. There is more up-side when fitted.
The storage on a Hulk is nice, I like being able to hold two full cycles from my strip miners at once. I get twice the time between doing something with my harvest, whoop-de-do.
The CPU upgrade is what lets me get two Mining Laser Upgrade IIs on it.
It needs more powergrid, a lot more, and currently it gets no love here. CCP does dictate the price, in blueprint recipe costs, just not the final ISK cost on any given day.
My T2 Disposable is about 70m on the market today. The "Tanked Hulk" is 356m or so today. I can lose 5 of the disposables for each one Tanked Hulk. I hope the Tanked hulk survives 4 out 5 gank attempts. |
baltec1
1073
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Posted - 2012.04.11 12:59:00 -
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Droxlyn wrote:
My T2 Disposable is about 70m on the market today. The "Tanked Hulk" is 356m or so today. I can lose 5 of the disposables for each one Tanked Hulk. I hope the Tanked hulk survives 4 out 5 gank attempts.
If you tank it correctly then you will survive all but the most dedicated gankers. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
78
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Posted - 2012.04.11 13:02:00 -
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Droxlyn wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
So now people are saying that CCP should buff the hulk because of the Covetor.
Hulk can mine more, tank a lot more, can carry more cargo, has better resists, has more CPU, has a better capacitor.
Erm.. Hulk is a better ship then a Covetor.
Also do not use price as an argument since its the player base, not CCP that dictates the price.
The Hulk is the T2 version of the Covetor, so it would make sense to compare the two. I agree that the hulk is "better" than the covetor, but it doesn't go far enough to justify its 10x price. It mines 15% more when each are maxed for mining. Sitting in an empty covetor gives me 6005 EHP, sitting in an empty Hulk gets me 9217. There is more up-side when fitted. The storage on a Hulk is nice, I like being able to hold two full cycles from my strip miners at once. I get twice the time between doing something with my harvest, whoop-de-do. The CPU upgrade is what lets me get two Mining Laser Upgrade IIs on it. It needs more powergrid, a lot more, and currently it gets no love here. CCP does dictate the price, in blueprint recipe costs, just not the final ISK cost on any given day. My T2 Disposable is about 70m on the market today. The "Tanked Hulk" is 356m or so today. I can lose 5 of the disposables for each one Tanked Hulk. I hope the Tanked hulk survives 4 out 5 gank attempts.
Unless the gankers bring some serious hardware, it will, put it this way, my Dual LSE version of my Rapier has lived through a lot, and it has 30K odd EHP.
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Prince Kobol
529
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Posted - 2012.04.11 13:03:00 -
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Droxlyn wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
So now people are saying that CCP should buff the hulk because of the Covetor.
Hulk can mine more, tank a lot more, can carry more cargo, has better resists, has more CPU, has a better capacitor.
Erm.. Hulk is a better ship then a Covetor.
Also do not use price as an argument since its the player base, not CCP that dictates the price.
The Hulk is the T2 version of the Covetor, so it would make sense to compare the two. I agree that the hulk is "better" than the covetor, but it doesn't go far enough to justify its 10x price. It mines 15% more when each are maxed for mining. Sitting in an empty covetor gives me 6005 EHP, sitting in an empty Hulk gets me 9217. There is more up-side when fitted. The storage on a Hulk is nice, I like being able to hold two full cycles from my strip miners at once. I get twice the time between doing something with my harvest, whoop-de-do. The CPU upgrade is what lets me get two Mining Laser Upgrade IIs on it. It needs more powergrid, a lot more, and currently it gets no love here. CCP does dictate the price, in blueprint recipe costs, just not the final ISK cost on any given day. My T2 Disposable is about 70m on the market today. The "Tanked Hulk" is 356m or so today. I can lose 5 of the disposables for each one Tanked Hulk. I hope the Tanked hulk survives 4 out 5 gank attempts.
You missed the bit about comparing price.
You can not compare ships by price simply because this is a player driven market and the price is set by the players.
Also the same could be said of many ships..
The Rifter is 450k, Wolf and Jag are about 30mil.
So does that mean the Wolf / Jag should be 60 times better then Rifter? |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
78
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Posted - 2012.04.11 13:06:00 -
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For the record, the whole, "Hulk is not X many times better than the Covetor" is called reduced returns, its why you could spend 3 Bil on a faction fitted Machariel and it will still die to three gank Geddons, or 1 Bil on a tengu, and it will die to a 100 Mil after fitting 1600 Plated cane. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5999
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Posted - 2012.04.11 13:15:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:For the record, the whole, "Hulk is not X many times better than the Covetor" is called reduced returns, its why you could spend 3 Bil on a faction fitted Machariel and it will still die to three gank Geddons, or 1 Bil on a tengu, and it will die to a 100 Mil after fitting 1600 Plated cane. ^^ This.
The entirety of EVE is built around diminishing returns for exponential costs. This is why price is not a balancing factor: because costing more tells us absolutely nothing about how much GÇ£betterGÇ£ something is, even when we do a straight apples-to-apples comparison with its less capable counterparts.
An Invuln II gives you a 30% resist bonus for, what? A couple of millions? A CN Invuln gives you a 37.5% resist bonus GÇö 25% more than the T2 version GÇö for several hundred millions. We're talking almost a factor of 100+ù the price for -+ better performance. So price as a measure of how much performance something GÇ£should haveGÇ¥ is right out the window, and it keeps going into the field, across the tracks, down the docks and half-way across the ocean if we want to do something as silly as comparing two completely different items (say, a T2 mining ship and a T1 combat ship). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
384
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Posted - 2012.04.11 13:17:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:Hulk is fine. Miners (and their non-existent tanking knowledge) are the problem. Its funny, people try to teach them to tank, and post fits, they simply ignore the fit, and pretend it doesn't exist.
If the Hulk was 'bad' nobody would use it. They would fly Covetors instead. The Hulk is in the top five of 'most flown ships' - 3rd IIRC. The Covetor is WAY down the list.
Pretty obvious to me that what these carebears want - is massive EHP without having to dedicate low and rigs slots for the purpose. Essentially, 75-80K EHP on the standard '2x Cargo mod/MLU, 2x Cargo rig" fit.
Then, they will lobby for even more Concord buffs/ganking nerfs - rendering ganks nearly impossible. Sure, it will still be 'possible' - but if it requires the coordination of a large group and/or massive loss of ISK on each gank....it will be an exceedingly rare event.
Result: Carebear miner paradise, where Hulks can AFK/macro mine all day. Risk free.
I have an idea, make Hulks perminantly omnitanked. Make it so you can only add one low and three highs. That way EVERY Hulk is tanked and they got no qq https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
294
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Posted - 2012.04.11 13:32:00 -
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Of course, T2 gives you only marginally better performance for a price.
In combat ships and everything else. Carebears are the only ones who refuse to understand it, it seems. Even explaning it to them won't help.
Miners are just ignorant as a class, and when you suggest that THEY are the problem, they get all self-righteous.
CCP caters to them in the same way that teachers try to prevent other students from picking on the 'mentally handicapped'. Doesn't change the fact that they ARE mentally handicapped.
The Vagabond is 150M, while the Stabber is 3-4 M and insurable. Does the Vagabond give 40x better performance? The T2 Claw is a 15-20M, while a T1 Slasher is 50K. Is the Claw 40x better?
Insisting that the 220M T2 Hulk is somehow out of line with the 25M T1 Covetor - is nonsense.
EDIT: Hulk does not need a buff, but my point would be proven if CCP simply gave the Hulk an additional low slot. 95% of the miners out there would stuff another Cargo Expander in it, and cripple their EHP further - and then continue to cry when Destroyers blow them up. |
Prince Kobol
529
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Posted - 2012.04.11 13:41:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:
Miners are just ignorant as a class, and when you suggest that THEY are the problem, they get all self-righteous.
CCP caters to them in the same way that teachers try to prevent other students from picking on the 'mentally handicapped'. Doesn't change the fact that they ARE mentally handicapped.
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By the same token we can say people who gank are people who have very small and offensive genitalia, are unable to fit into society due to their very poor social skills and horrendous body odour and are still living with their parents well into their 30's.
See, its easy to label an entire section of the gaming community because they are butt hurt that CCP declared their method (which wasn't theirs as it had been used for years, it was just people didn't shout about it on the forums and take the ****) of ganking as an exploit.
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Ackemi
Phenome Tactical
1
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Posted - 2012.04.11 13:48:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:This Again...
Sigh
[Rapier, Shield Standard] (I AM A ******* DEDICATED COMBAT VESSEL) Damage Control II Overdrive Injector System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Dark Blood Warp Disruptor Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Stasis Webifier II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Quake M Cynosural Field Generator I Sisters Expanded Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
26K EHP Before Links
[Hulk, Tanked Hulk] (I AM TANKED PROPERLY) Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Shield Extender II Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I
Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Strip Miner I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
32k EHP Before Links
(Also, if attacked, heat invuls for 36k EHP and even better resists)
Now you see, that seems awful unfair, nerf hulks IMO
Wow, talk about apples and oranges!
I will say that I'd take a hulk tank nerf if you give my hulk the agility and speed of a Rapier.
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
203
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Posted - 2012.04.11 13:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nura Taron wrote: Using a tank that costs thousands of times more than the tank others ships of its size need.
In high sec, it needs no tank mods at all. In 0.0 it can tank the belts with a token effort.
That's rubbish, if I had not fitted the Hulk to tank in hi-sec I would have lost both Hulks that were suicided, both survived but that was before there were any t3 BC. I doubt either would have survived if a t3 BC had attacked them.
The Hulk is a crap vessel to tank as it is, only way to get a reasonable (pre t3 BCs) tank is to make it less efficient for the job it's supposed to do.
In short they need looking at and make them at least stand more chance of survival whislt they're doing the job they're supposed to do. |
baltec1
1074
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Posted - 2012.04.11 13:57:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:baltec1 wrote:Nura Taron wrote: Using a tank that costs thousands of times more than the tank others ships of its size need.
In high sec, it needs no tank mods at all. In 0.0 it can tank the belts with a token effort. That's rubbish, if I had not fitted the Hulk to tank in hi-sec I would have lost both Hulks that were suicided, both survived but that was before there were any t3 BC. I doubt either would have survived if a t3 BC had attacked them. The Hulk is a crap vessel to tank as it is, only way to get a reasonable (pre t3 BCs) tank is to make it less efficient for the job it's supposed to do. In short they need looking at and make them at least stand more chance of survival whislt they're doing the job they're supposed to do.
That was about belt rats. If you want a pvp tank go look at the one I posted. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
15
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Posted - 2012.04.11 13:59:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:baltec1 wrote:Nura Taron wrote: Using a tank that costs thousands of times more than the tank others ships of its size need.
In high sec, it needs no tank mods at all. In 0.0 it can tank the belts with a token effort. That's rubbish, if I had not fitted the Hulk to tank in hi-sec I would have lost both Hulks that were suicided, both survived but that was before there were any t3 BC. I doubt either would have survived if a t3 BC had attacked them. The Hulk is a crap vessel to tank as it is, only way to get a reasonable (pre t3 BCs) tank is to make it less efficient for the job it's supposed to do. In short they need looking at and make them at least stand more chance of survival whislt they're doing the job they're supposed to do. Cruisers - designed for combat, so have decent armour and shields Battleships - designed for combat, so have decent armour and shields Industrials - designed for haulage, so have decent cargo capacity Mining barges - designed for mining, so have access to unique mining lasers
I see no problem here. Each ship is designed for its purpose. Giving a hulk a good tank would be like giving an industrial eight turret slots; it is inappropriate for the ship class, and has nothing in common with the intended purpose of the ship. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
203
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Posted - 2012.04.11 14:01:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:baltec1 wrote:Nura Taron wrote: Using a tank that costs thousands of times more than the tank others ships of its size need.
In high sec, it needs no tank mods at all. In 0.0 it can tank the belts with a token effort. That's rubbish, if I had not fitted the Hulk to tank in hi-sec I would have lost both Hulks that were suicided, both survived but that was before there were any t3 BC. I doubt either would have survived if a t3 BC had attacked them. The Hulk is a crap vessel to tank as it is, only way to get a reasonable (pre t3 BCs) tank is to make it less efficient for the job it's supposed to do. In short they need looking at and make them at least stand more chance of survival whislt they're doing the job they're supposed to do. That was about belt rats. If you want a pvp tank go look at the one I posted.
If you're talking just belt rats in hi-sec then you don't need to tank a hulk, just let your combat drones get rid of them. But belt rats in hi-sec are not the real threat to a Hulk these days. |
baltec1
1074
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Posted - 2012.04.11 14:05:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:
If you're talking just belt rats in hi-sec then you don't need to tank a hulk, just let your combat drones get rid of them. But belt rats in hi-sec are not the real threat to a Hulk these days.
Hence my fit which can take an arty tornado and just keep on smiling. |
Alara IonStorm
1970
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Posted - 2012.04.11 14:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪso how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with? Well no one asked for a 1600mm Plate, they asked for a Large Shield Extender. Iterons T1 so we will use the T2 Iteron's the Occator and Viator...
Hey you can fit both of them with a LSE. Oh and most of the lows are free Cargo Expanders even after a DCU.
Looks like CCP designed these ships right. |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
78
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Posted - 2012.04.11 14:13:00 -
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[quote=Ackemi][quote=Danny John-Peter]This Again... Snip
Quote:Wow, talk about apples and oranges! I will say that I'd take a hulk tank nerf if you give my hulk the agility and speed of a Rapier.
Well, naturally its an extreme example, point being, the only reason hulks die, is because they are not fitted properly, 36K EHP is plenty enough to deter almost any gank, I mean Jesus, it would take 4 Nados to alpha the thing, thats definetaly not isk efficient. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
203
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Posted - 2012.04.11 14:13:00 -
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Arkon Olacar wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:baltec1 wrote:Nura Taron wrote: Using a tank that costs thousands of times more than the tank others ships of its size need.
In high sec, it needs no tank mods at all. In 0.0 it can tank the belts with a token effort. That's rubbish, if I had not fitted the Hulk to tank in hi-sec I would have lost both Hulks that were suicided, both survived but that was before there were any t3 BC. I doubt either would have survived if a t3 BC had attacked them. The Hulk is a crap vessel to tank as it is, only way to get a reasonable (pre t3 BCs) tank is to make it less efficient for the job it's supposed to do. In short they need looking at and make them at least stand more chance of survival whislt they're doing the job they're supposed to do. Cruisers - designed for combat, so have decent armour and shields Battleships - designed for combat, so have decent armour and shields Industrials - designed for haulage, so have decent cargo capacity Mining barges - designed for mining, so have access to unique mining lasers I see no problem here. Each ship is designed for its purpose. Giving a hulk a good tank would be like giving an industrial eight turret slots; it is inappropriate for the ship class, and has nothing in common with the intended purpose of the ship.
And they need to be made so they can potentially survive a suicide attack more successfully as that is the threat to them. If you were in a war and the equipment you had was useless against a certain attack and you were losing many, you would either stop using them and replace them with something else or improve the existing equipment. I see no problem with upgrading them as that would be a natural course of their development. |
BrutalButFair
Fleet of the Damned Ace of Spades.
8
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Posted - 2012.04.11 14:13:00 -
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[Hulk] Reactor Control Unit II Carpo Mining Laser Upgrade Republic Fleet Medium Shield Extender Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Modulated Strip Miner II,Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II,Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II,Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Works fine to me :) (20k ehp + 271dps repair)
cargohold full in 6 cycles |
bornaa
GRiD.
206
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Posted - 2012.04.11 14:17:00 -
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Today, 150 TIMES cheaper ship can kill hulk! And, what when you completely tank your hulk and loose all its benefits? Then it will it will be "only " 50 TIMES price difference??? That Ain't Right |
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