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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
254
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:11:00 -
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never minned a day in my life other than that mission that made me mine once...
so i was looking at the hulk today and was wondering why there are so many high sec bear tears... when i noticed it had this awesome resist bonus profile but it cant fit a bloody LSE?!?!??!
either fix the damn ship ccp or add the 5th subsystem to TIII ships that are indy/minning based... shesh! |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
561
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:12:00 -
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Suicide gank of T3 miner? Yes, please. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Bane Necran
267
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:13:00 -
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Yeah, Hulks are gankbait.
I find actually being at the keyboard improves your odds of survival, though. |
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd
136
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:15:00 -
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Yeah, Hulk is a T2 BC sized ship with a sub-cruiser tank. Fricken pathetic and should be addressed.
I do not advocate making Exhumers with super-tanks but at least something respectable for their size, cost and tech level.
Nothing clever at this time. |
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:16:00 -
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Pretty much that's all the Hulk needs in the way of buffing, is a bigger power grid to fit LSEs. UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:18:00 -
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rigs...? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5986
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:18:00 -
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GǪso how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Zverofaust
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
73
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:21:00 -
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I have recently taken up the olympic flame of ganking Hulks and I must say they are pretty ******* ridiculous. My t2 fit Catalyst rocking overheated neutron smoked a Hulk in a 0.8 system before CONCORD even showed up on grid. And I probably could've done it in a t1 fit. 5 minutes ratting in nullsec and I recovered the ISK and sec loss. I'm all for making Hulks gankable in highsec but I'd like to see doing it require something like a gang of what I was flying, or maybe a high-DPS cruiser (Thorax) or BC hull to do it. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
234
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:22:00 -
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This was ages ago, but still makes me laugh.
I think it was in 2006 if I remember correctly. My corp at the time was part of the ASCN and we had a mining op going on in null. HULKS were still pretty rare at that time (and a lot more expensive than now), and our CEO had just purchased one and swore up and down that they had a great tank.
He asked us to open fire on him to test it.
We deactivated our launchers after he started screaming on VENT for us to stop shooting him. We stopped shooting him but quite a few missiles were still in flight and heading his way.
BOOM.
He owned it for all of 15 minutes or so between purchase and it getting blown to shreds.
Afterwards, a Mercenary Coalition interceptor grabbed his pod in the same system at the gate and blew up his multi billion isk implant set.
And he forgot to update his clone before that. ;)
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Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
111
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:23:00 -
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You can get 24k ehp out of it without gang boosts.
But you cut yield to the point you may as well be in an insured covetor instead, with zero tank, and a small loss if your ganked. For every player ship that blows up, the wheels of the economy turn slightly faster. -áDo your bit today. -áGo out and PEW.
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baltec1
1070
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:26:00 -
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Zverofaust wrote:I have recently taken up the olympic flame of ganking Hulks and I must say they are pretty ******* ridiculous. My t2 fit Catalyst rocking overheated neutron smoked a Hulk in a 0.8 system before CONCORD even showed up on grid. And I probably could've done it in a t1 fit. 5 minutes ratting in nullsec and I recovered the ISK and sec loss. I'm all for making Hulks gankable in highsec but I'd like to see doing it require something like a gang of what I was flying, or maybe a high-DPS cruiser (Thorax) or BC hull to do it.
Hulks very rarely are tanked. You will know when you slam into a supertank hulk |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
748
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:29:00 -
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The Hulk aligns more slowly than a plated Abaddon does. Considering its size and vulnerability, that feels very wrong. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
254
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪso how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with?
and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5986
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:46:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪso how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with? and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please! Quite irrelevant.
The point is, they're both the same kind of ship: a non-combat industrial-type ship meant for one thing and one thing only (and, just to repeat that: it's not combat). You can still squeeze 30k EHP out of a Hulk, and that's fairly respectable for what it is and what it's supposed to be doing.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Nura Taron
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:49:00 -
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I'm not a miner, but it always confused me that a t2 ship of that size has such a pathetic tank. All the tank fits I've seen for them have small shield boosters. Hulk are definitely not frigates CCP. I think they should get more tank and keep in mind I'm a lot more likely to be killing a hulk than driving one.
Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪso how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with? and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please! Quite irrelevant. The point is, they're both the same kind of ship: a non-combat industrial-type ship meant for one thing and one thing only (and, just to repeat that: it's not combat). You can still squeeze 30k EHP out of a Hulk, and that's fairly respectable for what it is and what it's supposed to be doing. It has three highs and no hard points. Nobody is going to be using them for combat even if they get a tank buff. CCP is getting rid of drone minerals in order to buff null mining. If they want people to mine in null they need to give them a ship with a better tank to do it in. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
321
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:51:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Suicide gank of T3 miner? Yes, please.
Poorly fitted T3 miner. *fixed*
Thread amuses me, you should see the **** people have to fit to just be able to tank 0.0 rats. On top of the ship price you need deadspace shield boosters and all kinds of ****.
Could be a 500m loss in 0.0 if ganked.
I'm sure they are all over battleclinic... CSM7 Skype Leak
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baltec1
1070
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:54:00 -
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Nura Taron wrote:I'm not a miner, but it always confused me that a t2 ship of that size has such pathetic tanks. All the tank fits I've seen for them have small shield boosters. Hulk are definitely not frigates CCP. I think they should get more tank and keep in mind I'm a lot more likely to be killing a hulk than driving one.
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Same reason why a supertanker has little defences, Its not a warship. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
321
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:58:00 -
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Nura Taron wrote: It has three highs and no hard points. Nobody is going to be using them for combat even if they get a tank buff. CCP is getting rid of drone minerals in order to buff null mining. If they want people to mine in null they need to give them a ship with a better tank to do it in.
Keep in mind, people have been mining in 0.0 for years without this. But it requires more to do it.
I don't mine in empire and haven't since i started playing.
However, I can understand with the new t3's and the ease at which destroyers can kill a hulk in empire, it requires some more thought.
CSM7 Skype Leak
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
579
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:58:00 -
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All the industrail sector ships need an HP bump, and a big bump at that. If they have to cost more in minerals, so be it. |
Nura Taron
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:02:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nura Taron wrote:I'm not a miner, but it always confused me that a t2 ship of that size has such pathetic tanks. All the tank fits I've seen for them have small shield boosters. Hulk are definitely not frigates CCP. I think they should get more tank and keep in mind I'm a lot more likely to be killing a hulk than driving one.
[ Same reason why a supertanker has little defences, Its not a warship. Supertankers would have a better tank if their job required them to be in an asteroid belt full of hostile battleships. |
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baltec1
1070
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:02:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:All the industrail sector ships need an HP bump, and a big bump at that. If they have to cost more in minerals, so be it.
No, they simply require people to tank them. |
baltec1
1070
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:04:00 -
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Nura Taron wrote: Supertankers would have a better tank if their job required them to be in an asteroid belt full of hostile battleships.
A job which a hulk can do without breaking a sweat. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
136
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:04:00 -
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I think the hulk is actually a bit overpowered. It has too many low slots. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Fish Hunter
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Renaissance Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:11:00 -
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Why does everyone say its an industrial ship then forget Deep Space Transports can have over 75k ehp and still have a decent amount of cargo room. 75k ehp is more than a untanked cargo expanded orca |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
255
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:12:00 -
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so this is mega hulk maxed skills with a tengu running links with heat on give you just over 100k ehp its stupid expensive to even think about it but i guess it can be done...
[Hulk, New Setup 1] Damage Control II True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
Pithum A-Type Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Invulnerability Field Medium Shield Extender II
Strip Miner I Strip Miner I [empty high slot]
Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:14:00 -
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Tippia wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪso how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with? and when was the last time you spent over 200 mill on an iteron? i mean can you buy them from then please! Quite irrelevant. The point is, they're both the same kind of ship: a non-combat industrial-type ship meant for one thing and one thing only (and, just to repeat that: it's not combat). You can still squeeze 30k EHP out of a Hulk, and that's fairly respectable for what it is and what it's supposed to be doing. Would you consider the Bustard overpowered then? I believe it can fit an LSE while not being a combat ship but a tanky transport. It provides in my opinion a better comparison to the hulk than the iteron series as it is also a tech 2 version of a non-combat, dedicated purpose hull. |
Nura Taron
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Nura Taron wrote: Supertankers would have a better tank if their job required them to be in an asteroid belt full of hostile battleships.
A job which a hulk can do without breaking a sweat. Using a tank that costs thousands of times more than the tank other ships of its size need. |
baltec1
1070
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:23:00 -
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Nura Taron wrote: Using a tank that costs thousands of times more than the tank others ships of its size need.
In high sec, it needs no tank mods at all. In 0.0 it can tank the belts with a token effort. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
580
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: In high sec, it needs no tank mods at all. In 0.0 it can tank the belts with a token effort.
Just say you like paper thin tanks on hulks, don't hide it. :) |
Bane Necran
268
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:In high sec, it needs no tank mods at all.
You wish.
The bigger the tank, the more expensive the ship they have to lose to gank you. It's not a big difference, but if you fit a half decent tank none of the poor people will try anything. |
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