Yes, cost is a balancing factor. CCP did change the bill of materials in the past and did change production processes as well as the sources. They cannot balance the price because of the free market. CCP knows this just like you do.

EvE is not a game of acquiring gear. Thus the "endgame" you describe does not exist, Vaerah.

I will say that I'd take a hulk tank nerf if you give my hulk the agility and speed of a Rapier.

Yes, cost is a balancing factor. CCP did change the bill of materials in the past and did change production processes as well as the sources. They cannot balance the price because of the free market. CCP knows this just like you do.

EvE is not a game of acquiring gear. Thus the "endgame" you describe does not exist, Vaerah.

But then you'd have a chance of getting away, and the gankers wouldn't have free kills

Think you'll find you're incorrect, 30 seconds of google says they have plenty of guns onboard and sometimes even small jury rigged mounted weapons.

The pirates of which you speak also usually turn up in a 30ft inflatable or wooden dingy armed with RPG's. This kind of explains why theres not much point in major armaments. The RPG's are a deterrant, and so are the guns on the ship, nobody wants to shoot cus they're all sitting on a massive floating dirty bomb.

Sorry bit off topic for a sec there. Anyway, you can slap metal plates on a truck and make it an "armored" truck, but if you want a tank dont armor a truck and complain it dont work like a tank...

Unfortunately, you are incorrect. Cost is a factor in the reason for ganking being popular. It has no bearing on balance.


IE. If the Hulk cost less than the Destroyer. The gank would less likely happen. Even though stats on both ship remained the same.




Another incorrect post. A sandbox has no "End game", but acquiring "gear" is an important part of the game. Your Ship and its fitting needs to be at the top of its game to perform to the maximum. The better the ship, the better the potential in increased performance.


Take the griffin, and compare it to the Falcon. Both have the same roles. do you stop at the griffin for your ewar game?



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Actually, according to the international maritime laws, commercial ships cannot have lethal weapons aboard. No guns.

Thats why some people tried to develop sonic based weapons that were supposed to deter pirates from boarding.

I'm not just pulling this out of my ass, I used to work for a shipping company.

Ok, you're not reading what I'm writing.

I think they do this now. It's 10 hours, right?

I'm not saying there's no room for change, just confirming that the mechanic is currently in-place if they ever did.

Unfortunately, you are incorrect.

In the end is it irrelevant to the people who say that a ship of 300m ISKs is too expensive. It is an opinion one needs to respect.

Read the devblogs. CCP has stated a few times that changes were made to address the prices of items.

Quite irrelevant.

The point is, they're both the same kind of ship: a non-combat industrial-type ship meant for one thing and one thing only (and, just to repeat that: it's not combat). You can still squeeze 30k EHP out of a Hulk, and that's fairly respectable for what it is and what it's supposed to be doing.

When I compare prices, I compare prices from manufacturer or importer for both products so that I dont have a problem with not knowing how much middlemans were there and how big their margin were.
And you like to use price for one thing form one quy that bought that thing from manufacturer and second from 10th middleman.
Good for you.
I see now how you allways "win" a debate.

Over and out.

Another incorrect post. A sandbox has no "End game", but acquiring "gear" is an important part of the game. Your Ship and its fitting needs to be at the top of its game to perform to the maximum. The better the ship, the better the potential in increased performance.

Take the griffin, and compare it to the Falcon. Both have the same roles. do you stop at the griffin for your ewar game?

Belt security is all you need a single cruiser usually faction or hac will work fine. I personally use a Gila myself. It tanks very well plus you have plenty of room for logistic drones. I carry a flight of heavy T2 shield bots myself.

Really? How many strip miners can you fit on your Iteron?

Better insurance options for the hulk would be welcome but not necessary, a small boost to survival would be nice; why not improve it some?

Sorry, the post is entirely correct. Acquiring gear is not a goal, but means.

Then they can choose not to buy that ship and get something that fits their price/performance requirements betterGǪ which will eventually make that ship price come down to where they start to afford it again.

Alternatively, they'll notice that jumping ships will not let them earn as much as the new baseline for the economy, and realise that those 300M is actually not expensive any more compared to what you earn when flying it.

Either way, the price is not an argument for buffing or nerfing a ship, especially not when the price is subject to player control to such a large extent.

GǪbut, again, not to affect their balance, since cost is not a factor for balance. What they've done in all those cases is the exact opposite.

This reads to me like you want to tell the players to go play some other game, because this is your game. I am sorry, but if you cannot respect players reasoning for why they make their decisions then you are pretty much out of the discussion.

Yes, to change the cost of items. And no it is exactly what they have done.

No. They changed the price to match the performance; they didn't change the performance to match the price or to balance the ship, because price is not a factor in determining performance and dictating balance.

You keep confusing cause and effect, factor and result.

Gotta agree with most of the above. It's a mining ship not a battleship or even a cruiser. You might find trucks full of expensive equipment in a warzone, but that doesn't mean it can or should have the defences of a tank. The hulk is designed to extract ore quickly and absolutely nothing else. If it had an amazing tank it would be unrealistic IMHO.

I am only repeating what CCP said. You need to talk to them when you think their reasoning was wrong.

Then they can choose not to buy that ship and get something that fits their price/performance requirements betterGǪ which will eventually make that ship price come down to where they start to afford it again.

Alternatively, they'll notice that jumping ships will not let them earn as much as the new baseline for the economy, and realise that those 300M is actually not expensive any more compared to what you earn when flying it.

Either way, the price is not an argument for buffing or nerfing a ship, especially not when the price is subject to player control to such a large extent.

GǪbut, again, not to affect their balance, since cost is not a factor for balance. What they've done in all those cases is the exact opposite.

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No, of course, but not because I want to own a Falcon, but because Falcon is a better tool fo achieving my goals.

Ok, you need to provide an actual example and reference now.

Then why is it's ore extraction less than twice that of a mining Abaddon with very high EHP?

Or mining Rokh.

No, if you do not read the devblogs on a regular basis then it is your loss and not mine.

No, if you do not read the devblogs on a regular basis then it is your loss and not mine.