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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:48:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote:
Also, I officially give up on this argument, apparently the vast majority of miners are useless sycophantic half wits without the brains to realise what the rest of EVE worked out years ago; you have to sacrifice something. Weather its Tackle\DPS\ECCM\Utility so you dont die.
\rage
No, wast majority of wuss gankers that only have balls to PVP against defend-less target are "useless sycophantic half wits without the brains to realise" that they got in last 6 months many boosts (dessy boost, hybrid boost and tier 3 BC) and miners none and that they are now even bigger wussies then before. Balance was broken before too, but now we can't talk about balance at all.
The flip side of your argument is that its a bunch of pansy ass miners who are too damn lazy to tank their ships, do any intel and expect to be able to afk mine coming on the forums crying how its unfair.
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Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:49:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:baltec1 wrote:Nura Taron wrote: Using a tank that costs thousands of times more than the tank others ships of its size need.
In high sec, it needs no tank mods at all. In 0.0 it can tank the belts with a token effort. That's rubbish, if I had not fitted the Hulk to tank in hi-sec I would have lost both Hulks that were suicided, both survived but that was before there were any t3 BC. I doubt either would have survived if a t3 BC had attacked them. The Hulk is a crap vessel to tank as it is, only way to get a reasonable (pre t3 BCs) tank is to make it less efficient for the job it's supposed to do. In short they need looking at and make them at least stand more chance of survival whislt they're doing the job they're supposed to do. I also hate how fitting tank makes my pvp ship do less dps and stuff. Buff megathron so I can skip armor plates and fit more gank. ... seriously....
Hulk has a base of 8000EHP. Also if you'll read the OP isn't complaining about loosing mining yield to tank. He is complaining about the fittings of the hulk making it literally impossible to fit a descent buffer tank.
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QU0RRA
Isomorphic Algorithms
5
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:50:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:Danny John-Peter wrote:
Also, I officially give up on this argument, apparently the vast majority of miners are useless sycophantic half wits without the brains to realise what the rest of EVE worked out years ago; you have to sacrifice something. Weather its Tackle\DPS\ECCM\Utility so you dont die.
\rage
No, wast majority of wuss gankers that only have balls to PVP against defend-less target are "useless sycophantic half wits without the brains to realise" that they got in last 6 months many boosts (dessy boost, hybrid boost and tier 3 BC) and miners none and that they are now even bigger wussies then before. Balance was broken before too, but now we can't talk about balance at all. The flip side of your argument is that its a bunch of pansy ass miners who are too damn lazy to tank their ships, do any intel and expect to be able to afk mine coming on the forums crying how its unfair.
This..... |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
78
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:50:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Buzzmong wrote:Malcanis wrote:I've yet to see a sensible (ie: game balance-based) argument against enabling Hulks to fit Large Shield Extenders.
I honestly don't care at all for the "but they're supposed to be non combat ships" arguments. Game balance is more important than fluff every time. Come to that, Amarr are supposed to be far more advanced than the other races, but CCP discarded the idea of making Amarr ships more powerful.
By far the greatest danager to Hulks comes from player ships, not rats. And the ability of player ships to attack Hulks has expanded far faster than the ability of Hulks to withstand them.
By all means jig the Hulk's fittings so that fitting a Meta 4 LSE means that you need a fitting mod and can't put in any MLUs - much like putting an MSE is now. But an LSE should indisputably be a viable module on a Hulk fit that's focused on tank.
It honestly won't make all that much difference: greedy idiots will still mine with 0 tank mods and 2x T2 cargo rigs. But the alert, capable player who wants to actually protect his ship should have a better option than a Frigate shield module. I'm fine with Hulks getting buffed to fit LSEs. Providing they lose the Exhumer 3% Mining Buff per level. I don't see why the gap between them and Covetors should be widened any more considering Hulks are the only non specialised T2 industrial ship. Find me what other BC size ship T2 version costs that much over T1 version. You see, Hulk costs 10 times more then Covetor.
Go compare Jita prices on a Prophecy and a Damnation, just sayin...
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Severian Carnifex
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DamnationArmored Warfare Link - Damage Control II Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense II Armored Warfare Link - Rapid Repair II Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers II Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment II Information Warfare Link - Sensor Integrity II 4+ù Command Processor I 6+ù Co-Processor II 2+ù Medium Trimark Armor Pump I GǪoh dear. At just under 50k EHP, It can also be ganked by a small gang of destroyers. It's obvious that the Damnation needs to have its tanking abilities drastically buffed because it's such a weak ship.
You see, it is fitted to completely use its bonuses and completely is spelialized for its purpose and it have 50k EHP. Hulk is aluminium foil when its specialized in mining. And completely tanked it cant completely use his bonuses (it looses them) and have slightly above half of Damnations tank. Give Hulk that tank and we are happy...
And, - Damnation is 2/3 of Hulks price. - Damnation does not costs 10 times more then Prophecy, like Hulk is then Covetor, its 4 times. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
530
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I quote you because you are the only one who can bump a thread forever. So you admit that what you said was completely nonsensical and irrelevant and had nothing to do with what was being discussed. Goodie. Yet another failure at explaining why the Hulk needs to be adjusted.
I admit I am using you to bump a thread where people can only see how it was good to buff the bejeezus of destroyers, implement T3 BCs, buff hybrids (all things needed or useful for PvP) while they can't see how the existing other ships get potently negatively affected.
Slowly, very slowly, the appropriate amount of social engineering plus the fact it's just true will make the exhumers reinforced up to standards. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:51:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Find me what other BC size ship T2 version costs that much over T1 version. You see, Hulk costs 10 times more then Covetor.
Er, most of them actually if we're going on mineral cost.
Don't forget prices of Hulks are inflated due to demand for the ultimate mining vessel and the market is current fubar anyway. |
Kinroi Alari
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Ocularis Inferno
18
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:52:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:26,700 EHP Iteron Mark V with 15,500 m3 cargo hold lol.
Passive Regen: 114 Resists: 75.9, 77.2, 72.8, 77.4
~grin~ I've done this.
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bornaa
GRiD.
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:55:00 -
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Buzzmong wrote:bornaa wrote:Find me what other BC size ship T2 version costs that much over T1 version. You see, Hulk costs 10 times more then Covetor. Er, most of them actually if we're going on mineral cost. Don't forget prices of Hulks are inflated due to demand for the ultimate mining vessel and the market is current fubar anyway.
so... when did Hulk Cost 120mill (thats 4 times over the price of covetor (today))??? - it was when tritanium was one third of todays price. That Ain't Right |
Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
78
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:56:00 -
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Severian Carnifex wrote:[quote=Tippia]
And, - Damnation is 2/3 of Hulks price. - Damnation does not costs 10 times more then Prophecy, like Hulk is then Covetor, its 4 times.
Em, lol
Jita Prices
Lowest Damna - 299,999,999.95
Lowest Prophecy - 32,899,999.97
So not quite no, but pretty much
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bornaa
GRiD.
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:58:00 -
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Danny John-Peter wrote:Severian Carnifex wrote:[quote=Tippia]
And, - Damnation is 2/3 of Hulks price. - Damnation does not costs 10 times more then Prophecy, like Hulk is then Covetor, its 4 times. Em, lol Jita Prices Lowest Damna - 299,999,999.95 Lowest Prophecy - 32,899,999.97 So not quite no, but pretty much
I think that guy used my data.
I used the cheapest prices in Hi-sec for both.
Don't tell me that you are the one who is only buying from Jita even there half of things cost much more then its worth. That Ain't Right |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:02:00 -
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You know what for the slow amongst the PvP community here are two Hulk fits showing exactly what the problem is:
Quote: [Hulk, Can't Tank] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Reactor Control Unit II
[empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Requires: 536 PG Has: 60.88 Needs and additional: 475.12 PG
Quote: [Hulk, Can't Tank] Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Requires: 148.5 PG Has: 70.01PG Needs and additional: 78.49 PG
Oh and also
Quote:[Hulk, Can't Tank] [empty low slot] [empty low slot]
Medium Shield Extender II [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Requires: 59.25 PG Has: 43.75 PG Needs and additional:15.75 PG
This ship cannot even fit a MSE without TWO ACR's and an RCU!
Yeah this ships could use some more PG. |
Prince Kobol
532
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:03:00 -
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bornaa wrote:
Find me what other BC size ship T2 version costs that much over T1 version. You see, Hulk costs 10 times more then Covetor.
Since you asked, I will even do cruisers for you as well
Lets do amarr cruisers using current Jita Prices.. can't be bothered doing the other races
T1 - Arbitrator 5.8mil - T2 Pilgrim 145m/ T2 Curse 153m
T1 - Augoror 4.5m - T2 Guardian 141m
T1 - Maller 12.4m- T2 Sacrilege 172m / Devoter 220m
T1 - Omen 6.9m - T2 Zealot 149m
Battle Cruisers - All Races
Amarr T1 Prophecy 31m - T2 Absolution 204m / Damnation 299m
Caldari T1 Ferox 32m - T2 Nighthawk 254m / Vulture 217m
Gallente T1 Brutix 38m - T2 Astrarte 189m / Eos 195m
Minmatar T1 Cyclone 28m - Claymore T2 259m / Sleipnir 245m
If you are going to complain about the cost between T1 and T2 ships then you should really be complaining about frigs as their T2 counterparts can cost up to 20x more. |
Prince Kobol
532
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:04:00 -
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Jas Dor wrote:You know what for the slow amongst the PvP community here are two Hulk fits showing exactly what the problem is: Quote: [Hulk, Can't Tank] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Reactor Control Unit II
[empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Requires: 536 PG Has: 60.88 Needs and additional: 475.12 PGQuote: [Hulk, Can't Tank] Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Requires: 148.5 PG Has: 70.01PG Needs and additional: 78.49 PGOh and also Quote:[Hulk, Can't Tank] [empty low slot] [empty low slot]
Medium Shield Extender II [empty med slot] [empty med slot] [empty med slot]
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Requires: 59.25 PG Has: 43.75 PG Needs and additional:15.75 PGThis ship cannot even fit a MSE without TWO ACR's and an RCU! Yeah this ships could use some more PG.
Please tell me you are trolling and are not serious.. please please please
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bornaa
GRiD.
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:05:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:bornaa wrote:
Find me what other BC size ship T2 version costs that much over T1 version. You see, Hulk costs 10 times more then Covetor.
Since you asked, I will even do cruisers for you as well Lets do amarr cruisers using current Jita Prices.. can't be bothered doing the other races T1 - Arbitrator 5.8mil - T2 Pilgrim 145m/ T2 Curse 153m T1 - Augoror 4.5m - T2 Guardian 141m T1 - Maller 12.4m- T2 Sacrilege 172m / Devoter 220m T1 - Omen 6.9m - T2 Zealot 149m Battle Cruisers - All Races Amarr T1 Prophecy 31m - T2 Absolution 204m / Damnation 299m Caldari T1 Ferox 32m - T2 Nighthawk 254m / Vulture 217m Gallente T1 Brutix 38m - T2 Astrarte 189m / Eos 195m Minmatar T1 Cyclone 28m - Claymore T2 259m / Sleipnir 245m If you knew what you were talking about you would know that the material costs for T2 ships in most cases are approx 10 times greater then their T1 counterpart If you are going to complain about the cost between T1 and T2 ships then you should really be complaining about frigs as their T2 counterparts can cost up to 20x more.
Ill repeat myself
"I used the cheapest prices in Hi-sec for both.
Don't tell me that you are the one who is only buying from Jita even there half of things cost much more then its worth. "
That Ain't Right |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
387
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:05:00 -
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Buzzmong wrote:bornaa wrote:Find me what other BC size ship T2 version costs that much over T1 version. You see, Hulk costs 10 times more then Covetor. Er, most of them actually if we're going on mineral cost. Don't forget prices of Hulks are inflated due to demand for the ultimate mining vessel and the market is current fubar anyway.
and hulkageddon
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:06:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Buzzmong wrote:bornaa wrote:Find me what other BC size ship T2 version costs that much over T1 version. You see, Hulk costs 10 times more then Covetor. Er, most of them actually if we're going on mineral cost. Don't forget prices of Hulks are inflated due to demand for the ultimate mining vessel and the market is current fubar anyway. so... when did Hulk Cost 120mill (thats 4 times over the price of covetor (today))??? - it was when tritanium was one third of todays price.
Looking at the year long price changes in Verge Vendor (where this toon is), Covetors cost 18 mill 12 months ago, Hulks 185m.
Which is the same jump up for pretty much all the T1 -> T2 ships, such as Vexor->Ishtar, Proph->Damnation (or Asbo) etc, the Cov->Hulk has an easier time of it.
Thorax to Deimos has been a x20 jump at times.
Or shall we look at Omen to Zealot, which is around a x30 jump. What about frigates to AF's? Looking at x100 figures here.
Battleships? Apoc to Pally is also around a x10 jump.
The market figures are showing the jump from Cov to Hulk is on par with the rest of the game.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6004
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:07:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:No, wast majority of wuss gankers that only have balls to PVP against defend-less target are "useless sycophantic half wits without the brains to realise" that they got in last 6 months many boosts (dessy boost, hybrid boost and tier 3 BC) and miners none and that they are now even bigger wussies then before.
Balance was broken before too, but now we can't talk about balance at all. Why is the balance now any worse than it was before? It used to be that years of security buffs made it silly safe in highsec; now the gankers have been given some tools to counter-balance those ridiculous safety levels. If anything, it is balanced now, when it was hilariously off-balance before.
bornaa wrote:Find me what other BC size ship T2 version costs that much over T1 version. You see, Hulk costs 10 times more then Covetor. Again: so what? Decreasing improvement for exponential cost. It's how all of EVE works. By the way, 10+ù more is a very very small markup in that segmentGǪ
-+ Bestower: 1GÇô2-+M GÇö Impel: 190-220M -+ Sigil: 1GÇô3M GÇö Prorator: 100M -+ Badger: 0.7M GÇö Crane: 100M -+ Badger II: 1.5M GÇö Bustard: 130M -+ Iteron: 0.8M GÇö Viator: 100M -+ Iteron III: 1M GÇö Occator: 135M -+ Mammoth: 2M GÇö Mastodon: 200M -+ Wreathe: 1M GÇö Prowler: 100M
GǪso that's maybe 100+ù on average.
-+ Prophecy: 32M GÇö Absolution: 210M / Damnation: 300M -+ Ferox: 35M GÇö Nighthawk: 250M / Vulture: 215M -+ Brutix: 40M GÇö Astarte: 190M / Eos: 200M -+ Cyclone: 29M GÇö Claymore: 280M / Sleipnir: 245M
GǪso quite close to that 10+ù markup. So even within your very limited selection, your argument doesn't particularly hold water (and if we look outside the BC-sized segment, we quickly notice how very small a 10+ù cost for a T2 upgrade is).
Severian Carnifex wrote:You see, it is fitted to completely use its bonuses and completely is spelialized for its purpose and it have 50k EHP. Hulk is aluminium foil when its specialized in mining. I suppose you missed the point that by the miners' logic, the Damnation needs to have its tanking buffed. The Damnation. If you cannot figure out why this is gut-bustingly laughably insane, you need to have a look at the ship in questionGǪ
Oh, and as mentioned above:
Damnation 300M vs. Prophecy 32M GÇö close enough to 10+ù to count. Hulk: 310M vs. Covetor 33M GÇö almost exactly the same multiplierGǪ and it's not 50% more than the Damnation / Prophecy either.
GǪbut of course, cost is not a balancing factor, so it wouldn't matter if you were actually even remotely close to being correct. These are the current Jita prices, by the way. You should probably use actual data if you're going to try that kind of argument (not that it really matters since it's an irrelevant argument anyway, what with cost not being a balancing factor and all thatGǪ). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
bornaa
GRiD.
206
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:09:00 -
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Buzzmong wrote:bornaa wrote:Buzzmong wrote:bornaa wrote:Find me what other BC size ship T2 version costs that much over T1 version. You see, Hulk costs 10 times more then Covetor. Er, most of them actually if we're going on mineral cost. Don't forget prices of Hulks are inflated due to demand for the ultimate mining vessel and the market is current fubar anyway. so... when did Hulk Cost 120mill (thats 4 times over the price of covetor (today))??? - it was when tritanium was one third of todays price. Looking at the year long price changes in Verge Vendor (where this toon is), Covetors cost 18 mill 12 months ago, Hulks 185m. Which is the same jump up for pretty much all the T1 -> T2 ships, such as Vexor->Ishtar, Proph->Damnation (or Asbo) etc, the Cov->Hulk has an easier time of it. Thorax to Deimos has been a x20 jump at times. Or shall we look at Omen to Zealot, which is around a x30 jump. What about frigates to AF's? Looking at x100 figures here. Battleships? Apoc to Pally is also around a x10 jump. The market figures are showing the jump from Cov to Hulk is on par with the rest of the game.
Thats why i said "BC size".
And Ill repeat myself again:
"I used the cheapest prices in Hi-sec for both.
Don't tell me that you are the one who is only buying from Jita even there half of things cost much more then its worth. "
I used data from web market site that compare prices between all EVE markets. That Ain't Right |
baltec1
1075
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:12:00 -
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Why are you lot comparing the hulk to t2 battlecruisers? The hulk is more of a cruiser sized ship... |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
6005
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:15:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Don't tell me that you are the one who is only buying from Jita even there half of things cost much more then its worth. Jita is the pretty much the standard point of comparison since it's where the market moves the fastest towards the current equilibrium, and since it's objectively true for, and available to, everyone.
If you want to use some other non-standard data for comparison, provide sources and links. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
bornaa
GRiD.
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:15:00 -
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Look people, I am not miner, I dont have not even one SP in industry, I am just saying what I think and I say it because my best RL friend who was miner quit EVE and i want to see him back.
I only want, if they boosted offence of combat ships by a third, boost defense on mining ships by third. That Ain't Right |
Shadowsword
The Scope Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:16:00 -
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What is the max amount of DPS a ganker can do in 0.5 before concord show up? |
Prince Kobol
532
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:19:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Look people, I am not miner, I dont have not even one SP in industry, I am just saying what I think and I say it because my best RL friend who was miner quit EVE and i want to see him back.
I only want, if they boosted offence of combat ships by a third, boost defense on mining ships by third.
Where did you get offence of "combat ships have been boosted by a third" from?
Just making up random numbers again?
Sorry if you friend got ganked and decided he couldn't cut in Eve, but that is no reason to talk rubbish. |
bornaa
GRiD.
206
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:19:00 -
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Tippia wrote:bornaa wrote:Don't tell me that you are the one who is only buying from Jita even there half of things cost much more then its worth. Jita is the pretty much the standard point of comparison since it's where the market moves the fastest towards the current equilibrium, and since it's objectively true for, and available to, everyone. If you want to use some other non-standard data for comparison, provide sources and links.
http://eve-central.com
See damnation price in like Rens or Amarr - and you cant say they don't follow the trend. and all other prices are there. That Ain't Right |
bornaa
GRiD.
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:20:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:bornaa wrote:Look people, I am not miner, I dont have not even one SP in industry, I am just saying what I think and I say it because my best RL friend who was miner quit EVE and i want to see him back.
I only want, if they boosted offence of combat ships by a third, boost defense on mining ships by third. Where did you get offence of "combat ships have been boosted by a third" from? Just making up random numbers again? Sorry if you friend got ganked and decided he couldn't cut in Eve, but that is no reason to talk rubbish.
No, i don't give random data. Dessys boosted by 25% and hybrids by like 15%. That Ain't Right |
Prince Kobol
532
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:23:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:bornaa wrote:Look people, I am not miner, I dont have not even one SP in industry, I am just saying what I think and I say it because my best RL friend who was miner quit EVE and i want to see him back.
I only want, if they boosted offence of combat ships by a third, boost defense on mining ships by third. Where did you get offence of "combat ships have been boosted by a third" from? Just making up random numbers again? Sorry if you friend got ganked and decided he couldn't cut in Eve, but that is no reason to talk rubbish. No, i don't give random data. Dessys boosted by 25% and hybrids by like 15%.
You said all "combat ships have been boosted by a third" not a class of ships and 1 weapon type were boosted.
Also "25%" and "like 15%" are not a third.
So yeah.. you do come up with random data |
bornaa
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:26:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:bornaa wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:bornaa wrote:Look people, I am not miner, I dont have not even one SP in industry, I am just saying what I think and I say it because my best RL friend who was miner quit EVE and i want to see him back.
I only want, if they boosted offence of combat ships by a third, boost defense on mining ships by third. Where did you get offence of "combat ships have been boosted by a third" from? Just making up random numbers again? Sorry if you friend got ganked and decided he couldn't cut in Eve, but that is no reason to talk rubbish. No, i don't give random data. Dessys boosted by 25% and hybrids by like 15%. You said all "combat ships have been boosted by a third" not a class of ships and 1 weapon type were boosted. Also "25%" and "like 15%" are not a third. So yeah.. you do come up with random data
Yea, i am talking about relevant class of ships and weapon type on dessys that are most used. And if you look at changes it really is 25% and 15%. And sorry, its not 33,333% its even more, its 40%.
I am talking with real data in every post here and you can see that they are true and 3,4 of you are attacking me... That Ain't Right |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
190
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:27:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Thats why i said "BC size". And Ill repeat myself again: "I used the cheapest prices in Hi-sec for both. Don't tell me that you are the one who is only buying from Jita even there half of things cost much more then its worth. " I used data from web market site that compare prices between all EVE markets.
And what we're saying is that irrespective of the moving prices and previous highs and lows, a x10 jump between T1 and T2 hull prices is on the low end for a large majority of the ships, it's sometimes much greater.
This means that the point you're claiming that the Cov->Hulk jump of x10 is too much compared to other ships is pretty much flat out wrong. |
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Posted - 2012.04.11 16:27:00 -
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bornaa wrote:http://eve-central.com Proxy error. So I'll go by the numbers that are easily available GÇö Jita, which is what all the numbers are trending towards anyway.
Quote:See damnation price in like Rens or Amarr - and you cant say they don't follow the trend. and all other prices are there. GǪand if you pick a specific spot, it's not a good idea to mix-and-match because then you're picking between places that are being affected by speculation and those that aren't. Going for GÇ£cheapest in highsecGÇ¥ is good if you're looking to find a deal GÇö it's not a good way of comparing things. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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