your point is that if you fit for isk per hour then you deserve to die but you also claim the ship has a good tank that it can defend its self against ganks " that it's your decision to make it a crappy tank. You can also decide not to make it crappy."

your argument is fit either for tank or for income... but even if you fit for tank you will still die... so what exactly is your point?

you own a 1400 II bpo and nuetron blaster cannon II bpo or something?

We seem to be moving in circles. You can choose:

(a) Tank the ship at the expense of mining yield
(b) Have a friend or alt fly escort for you
(c) Fly a different hull that is safer, but yields less

It is not a stupid ship, unless you personally choose to ignore all the options and continuously beat your head against the wall. I can't help you with that. You need to make the choice to step away from that wall.

your point is that if you fit for isk per hour then you deserve to die but you also claim the ship has a good tank that it can defend its self against ganks " that it's your decision to make it a crappy tank. You can also decide not to make it crappy."

your argument is fit either for tank or for income...

We seem to be moving in circles. You can choose:

no, my argument is that complaining that it can't tank if you fit no tank is stupid and it's not something that requires a change to the game to fix. In fact, changing the game doesn't fix it at all, so that's the wrong way to go regardless. As it happens, you can fit for both tank and income.

gank talos with heat on does 6507 alpha ever 4.1 seconds... so lets say you have two talos thats 1314 alpha every 4.1 seconds that means 14/4.1= 3 - 4 shots before cc arrives... 1314*3= 3942 or 40k damage... so even in the best case you will die to just two of these...

in today's game you can not effectively tank a hulk against gank...

i mean 3 of these things can kill an orca before cc arrives in a 0.6 system!

The circles are the result of the narrow focus of the debate, a narrow focus the gankbear community wishes to maintain.


a) And get almost the same yeild as C for less cost and Risk.
b) Consume somone else's time and share profits, which will profit below A or C.
c) Profit, because the hulk is a stupid ship in the current environment.

D) Other options where the circles end.

d.) dont tank it and mine in systems where there are NO PEOPLE

why do ppl ignore that?

My main's been mining since the age of T20 minus skill time to get into a hulk and I tink the only ship ive ever lost was a noctis running missions when there was a war

oh wauit no, got killed by arcturus deathbane and thesleeper before ther ewere warnings about what happens when you go into .4 an below

or if there were warnings I was new and stupid vOv

The circles are the result of the narrow focus of the debate, a narrow focus the gankbear community wishes to maintain.


a) And get almost the same yeild as C for less cost and Risk.
b) Consume somone else's time and share profits, which will profit below A or C.
c) Profit, because the hulk is a stupid ship in the current environment.

D) Other options where the circles end.

Also, try to AVOID the more populous mining systems. Because you have so many in local, you can't accurately use d-scan to check for gank-built ships (catalysts, tornados, hurricanes, etc). Also when people know they can count on hulks or covetors to sit almost afk, it really makes it attractive.

By the way the hulk's tank is compromised because the hardware is dedicated for the strip miners and ore processing. If you want a damn tank then go fit mining laser IIs on a Rokh and use that instead.

I think the hulk is actually a bit overpowered. It has too many low slots.

GǪso how many 1600mm plates do you usually fit your Iterons with?

For one, I am not a ganker. You are welcome to look for any killmails related to me. (This is my main character) Hint - you won't find any. I am primarily an Industrialist, operating around low sec areas with a love of hauling cargo (Crane based), the odd mining trip and the odd bit of exploration for fun and seeing the universe. So, no, not a part of the gankbear community.

However, I can see that you are looking for a ship that can fill all roles or will be overpowered for what it is doing. You're essentially saying "I want full safety from gankers without having to sacrifice mining yield".

You imply I make assumptions about you, then turn around and do the same in addition to making assumptions about my motives. Good luck with it.

Why do people still insist on mining in hisec?

High security space is an area meant for new players to learn the game, and for people to come together to trade. The idea is clear, once you get the hang of the game, you move out of the noobzone and start playing.

If you can fly a T2 fitted Hulk, you should leave the cradle and join or form a corporation. There are no suicide gankers outside hisec, you can mine your heart out in corp/alliance mining operations in environments that you and your friends can control. Now is the the perfect time to leave cesspool behind and get rich.

Free your mind and your Hulk fill follow!

However, I can see that you are looking for a ship that can fill all roles or will be overpowered for what it is doing. You're essentially saying "I want full safety from gankers without having to sacrifice mining yield".

Or you can keep on deflecting and jumping around the fringes.

Too be fair, the iteron was never meant to be used in hostile environments. The hulk is designed for mining in hostile envrionments, as stated in the description. You really cant compare them.

That would make the buff pointless, so why on earth would they do something that stupid?

Since it's the player who chooses to make himself easier to kill, and then complain about how easy he is to kill, yes. It is 100% the idiot's fault.

GǪand it requires no capital skills; no capital arrays; and CCP lists it in their ship charts as a GÇ£largeGÇ¥ ship, together with the battleships (and, incidentally, the freighters). So no, the Orca isn't really a capship GÇö the Rorqual is.

Yes you can. Both are non-combat ships for the industrial sector. What the flavour text says isn't particularly important (it says the Ferox is a very scary killing machine).

We seem to be moving in circles. You can choose:

(a) Tank the ship at the expense of mining yield
(b) Have a friend or alt fly escort for you
(c) Fly a different hull that is safer, but yields less

Yes you can. Both are non-combat ships for the industrial sector. What the flavour text says isn't particularly important (it says the Ferox is a very scary killing machine).

Yes you can. Both are non-combat ships for the industrial sector. What the flavour text says isn't particularly important (it says the Ferox is a very scary killing machine).

Both are non-combat ships for the industrial sector. What the flavour text says isn't particularly important (it says the Ferox is a very scary killing machine).

So, could any of you EFT warriors give tank fit for Hulk with align time of less than 14,60 seconds.

Anyway, the entire point here was that your claim was silly to begin with: the training times you mentioned were not true and the reasons miners earn less is because they have been receiving undue competition from other sources.

No, I'm asking you: what scenario is that? If you're going to take the Adunh route, I will treat you the same as Adhun and keep repeating the question, either until you answer it or until it becomes abundantly clear that you were just
trolling and failed to score a cheap point. As always, I hope it'll be the first one.

if enough get killed, then maybe they will start thinking about it, but so far, nothing seems to suggest that anything of the sort is happening.

I happily admit my opinions are just that and don't present them as the Bible laws carved in stone.
Therefore while I don't need buffs for Hulks (I'd like Macks were less pathetic though), others seems to.
The majority usually wins. If you'll see 100 threads like this in the next months (just let enough people jump into mining and get their slap) it's quite possible a buff will happen.

As for the BPOs, no. I'm thinking about getting a Thrasher BPO, if people are actually as bad at fitting their exhumers as this thread (and others) suggests, but I don't think it'll be ready in time. All my research slots are taken for more interesting things.