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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have discovered an exploit involving starbases that made it possible for some players to gain an unfair advantage over others. We have taken measures to address this by removing the starbases used in the exploit. Additionally, assets gained from its use have been seized and bans levied against the players involved. We will continue to monitor the game for issues such as this one. We encourage players to create a petition if become aware of any activities which may permit others to gain an unfair advantage in the game.
That's it? That's all? After the time, money, and effort many here have made and given CCP... that's all you have to say about an exploit that some say has been going on for 4 YEARS! We deserve answers... we deserve the names... we deserve to have these people called out and hung infrom of everyone... we need names, alliances, corps, pos locations, amount earned, what they did, how much they built... the whole sha-bang.
Take accountability and show your paying customers what you intend to do to prevent things like this again. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: MyOwnSling Any word as to the economic impact?
Well if what is said is true then most who have ever bought T2 equipment have benefited by slightly decreased costs maybe?
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
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Dasfry
Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler We have discovered an exploit involving starbases that made it possible for some players to gain an unfair advantage over others. We have taken measures to address this by removing the starbases used in the exploit. Additionally, assets gained from its use have been seized and bans levied against the players involved. We will continue to monitor the game for issues such as this one. We encourage players to create a petition if become aware of any activities which may permit others to gain an unfair advantage in the game.
I just want to say thank you for posting this.
You could have just not said anything.
The right thing and the easy thing to do are rarely the same. *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation
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Moostang
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenus Edited by: Phoenus on 10/12/2008 21:33:01 It'd be interesting to know the extent to which this was being used.
You tell us....
Moostang Darkstar 1 Goonswarm
Priceless Necro Thread |
Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:05:00 -
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Will the repoman come for all their capital fleets of ill-gotten ships?
Then the velator inconvenience op might not just be a comedy option anymore.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:05:00 -
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Want to fix this, CCP? Remove the moon minerals from game, till you can come up with a new T2 recipe.
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Daelin Blackleaf
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:06:00 -
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The logs... they do nothing.
How did CCP's much lauded resident economist not spot this? Didn't a single soul with access to this data notice? Surely with how essential monitoring and reviewing such data would be to game balance we're talking about a lot of opportunities to notice such an exploit.
Also how many times has this exploit been petitioned over the last four years?
I'm highly disappointed, but I'm hoping CCP can manage to be honest about this so that the game can move on. Without knowledge of the level of impact this has had we're all in the dark left to ponder the worst.
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zenthral staichon
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:08:00 -
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I heard MM, RZR, TCF, GS, TRI, PL, BoB, Evoke, MH, SOT, AAA, RA, ROL, IRON, UNL will have their whole leadership banned, c/d?
Furthermore,
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Evie May
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:08:00 -
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ok... soooo.... ive read all the replies but i still cant figure out what the exploit was in the firstplace.
I'm just curious is all =/
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Underpaid Overworked
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:09:00 -
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Page 3 = Yet another request for a real statement by CCP that identifies the extent of damages done, the extent of players/corps/alliances involved in the exploit, how long CCP has know about this and done nothing, how may titans are being removed, etc.
Your statement is nothing short of a canned response and addresses nothing...
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mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:10:00 -
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Rather depressing tbh.. -----------
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:10:00 -
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Hooray for banning exploiters. A bit confused at some of the emo-raging posters, do you think CCP has a button that instantly shows how long an exploit has been going on and how many people have been involved, in what alliances and exactly how much isk was exploited? I mean varying market conditions and alts that put up POS alone must be a nightmare to keep track of.
The exploiter on SHC claims a lot, but do you really believe him? After he got his accounts banned, I expect him to try to dis-credit CCP. The exploit is real, but how long it has been going on and how much isk he exploited, and how much isk got banned we will never really know as you can always claim CCP or the exploiter is lying so who really gives a **** about the exact figures.
I expect there to be the usual speculators and then T2 prices maybe taking a small rise in prices, but some of you guys are freaking out over an exploit that may have been widespread or may have been just used by two guys. --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Relentless Phantsm
Eyes of the Night Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:10:00 -
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CCP for governor of Illinois.
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Avalira
Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:10:00 -
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Where's the CSM? This sounds like a job for them.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Its been fixed. All in all its one of the more embarrassing mistakes I made, but it made game design laugh. Now lets never speak of this again.
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Cmndr Griff
Opinicus Operations Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:11:00 -
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Interesting times ahead if the T2 market was based on this exploit as much as people suggest. Guess I should get to Jita and cash in... Where do ideas like these come from? Monkeys in hats? |
Amber Coldheart
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Evie May ok... soooo.... ive read all the replies but i still cant figure out what the exploit was in the firstplace.
I'm just curious is all =/
Had to do with moonmining, basically harvesting minerals even though half the PoS was offline or somesuch (and without using any materials to boot, so it was all free).
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Avalira Where's the CSM? This sounds like a job for them.
Heh. That was almost funny.
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:12:00 -
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Devs, might I suggest that you use this exploit as an excuse to remove all titans from the game, just claim that they were all funded by this illegal activity. Oh, and remove the BPOs too, also funded by that. Its the best excuse you'll ever get to fix your own biggest ****up without admitting it
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:13:00 -
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Originally by: Cmndr Griff Interesting times ahead if the T2 market was based on this exploit as much as people suggest. Guess I should get to Jita and cash in...
You're too late.
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Cardinal Harvest
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:13:00 -
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lol
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Dickens Cider
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:13:00 -
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Wait a minute!
This can't be true because we all know it was invention that drove T2 prices down!
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Deggins
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:15:00 -
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It has been said that the exploit involved, under certain circumstances, reactions at POSs running to completion (filling silos) without actually consuming any material inputs. |
hUssmann
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:17:00 -
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Bang up job guys, nice to know you're on the ball.
After numerous petitions by myself and hundreds upon hundreds of players petitioning obvious exploits and descrepencies to get them looked at and it being shrugged off by the GM team may I suggest internal affairs take a look at what they're actually doing when my petition is being processed and sitting in the cue decaying over weeks and months?
Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat. |
Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 10/12/2008 22:17:50
Originally by: Avalira Where's the CSM? This sounds like a job for them.
Agreed.
Hence I posted this thread.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:18:00 -
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What a huge conspiracy this must have been if several people in several big alliances did this for four (!) years, it is hard to believe nobody noticed and petitioned it.
Well, at least this time apparently people actually get the ban stick as opposed to the high end complex boss spawn exploits that fueled certain people's wallets over years as well and nobody suffered any consequences for it.
Or are the bans just some pawn sacrifice and the real beneficiaries go scot free again?
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Spindeln
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: royal killer
Originally by: Mioelnir The question I'd personally like to see adressed, is how much materials were created in relation to what the seeded (and mineable) moons in EVE can produce.
Is perhaps the whole t2 economy for some time (maybe years?) now running on exploited supplies? Is perheps the R64 bottleneck even worse than we always thought?
This has been going on for 4 whole years, We're talking 5 if not 6 digit number of amounts of tech 2 ships produced out of this, since for example 4 major t2 producing corps ingame just went bankrupt (I heard).
They never said it was 4 years, yet you seem so sure. Have you been aware of this for 4 years? Have you exploited it? Or did you read 4 years on the internet and therefore it must be the truth...
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Underpaid Overworked
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Underpaid Overworked on 10/12/2008 22:19:57
Originally by: Vaal Erit Hooray for banning exploiters. A bit confused at some of the emo-raging posters, do you think CCP has a button that instantly shows how long an exploit has been going on and how many people have been involved, in what alliances and exactly how much isk was exploited? I mean varying market conditions and alts that put up POS alone must be a nightmare to keep track of.
The exploiter on SHC claims a lot, but do you really believe him? After he got his accounts banned, I expect him to try to dis-credit CCP. The exploit is real, but how long it has been going on and how much isk he exploited, and how much isk got banned we will never really know as you can always claim CCP or the exploiter is lying so who really gives a **** about the exact figures.
I expect there to be the usual speculators and then T2 prices maybe taking a small rise in prices, but some of you guys are freaking out over an exploit that may have been widespread or may have been just used by two guys.
Yes, I do not think it should be an extraordinary act for CCP to know the extent of the exploit considering it may have been going on 4 years, considering it is there game that they designed and monitor.
Here we have the "expert" economist sporting charts and graphs on sales trends, yet a red flag never went up that more is being put out then could possibly be going in?
Simply saying, "yeah we banned a few players for unfair advantage" is not enough. Why wasn't a proper response with the actual impact on EvE thought out in advance prior to the mass bannings? Did CCP really hope/think no one would be the wiser?
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clone 1
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:21:00 -
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I always wondered how a certain alliance could keep loosing jump freighters as if they were frigates... now I know.
This has had a profound effect on the game, and you have had experience of how to deal with this type of news, deal with it the CORRECT way, look at the way CCP handled past issues and do not make the same mistake. If there was any time to SET UP, this is it. This is BIG, EPIC BIG.
For those of you who dont think its that big of a deal, I just ask you to sit back and watch this space. This is gona be one hell of a ride.
I leave you with these words... 'I have a bad feeling about this'
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nadarius Chrome 4 years aye. Time for a rapid response unit maybe?
How come this wasn't spotted earlier, for example by your much-vaunted economist? Surely gigantic piles of T2 reactions without corresponding amounts mined (or even mineable given the lack of Dyspro moons) should have given some sort of an indication something was wrong?
My bets on this guy has a BoB character somewhere along the line.
Lets see who no longer logs on in the coming weeks.
Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
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Hail Xenu
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:25:00 -
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hmmm this is interesting, the starbase setup described can be found all over delve in BOBs sov4 capital systems....
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