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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:43:00 -
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Edited by: Pr1ncess Alia on 11/12/2008 04:46:43
biggest kick in the **ts is knowing how hard you work will never compare to how hard someone else cheats.
you'll never know.... did you lose a match/battle/fleetfight/station/system/region etc all because some guy had the code to get isk when you had to actually work (GRIND) to replace your stuff?
i know ccp doesn't have a practice of discussing too much about stuff like this, but ffs we should hear SOMETHING estimating just how much isk is in the game because of this exploit and damn straight if they even THINK someone is related to it, and they also happen to have 900billion-37trillion-99gabolaizillion in their wallet, that isk goes bye bye.
edit: oh, and lets not forget the assets. the pos's, the capitals and supercapitals... lets not forget the thousands of pos's that secure the regions and the massive fleets that defend them.
oh, and i dont just want an estimate. i want to know alliance names. BoB? Goons? (wouldn't that be ironic), RA? (no, NOT RA!  ), how about up north?
name and shame. feed them to the angry mod. we are the angry mob and we demand it
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Garrick Packard
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:46:00 -
[392]
 Originally by: Ghoest
It turns out the entire EVE game is built on cheating.
You didn't get the memo?
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HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:48:00 -
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When I lose a ship, i gotta go grind money to replace it 
I can haz free trillions from thin air please?
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Tirym
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:51:00 -
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Edited by: Tirym on 11/12/2008 04:53:02
Now... it's so complicated. The fact is that even by removing all isks from wallets would definetly NOT be enough, nor would the banning.
The problem lies in the fact that ISK can be invested and so it turns out that without cheating someone couldn't buy T2 // capital // etc BPs of any form, or maybe could not win the battle for that system with so rich moons, could not finance this or that activity that generated X ISK...
Nothing short of a complete reboot can fix this IF this has been going on for four years and IF more than 2/3 alliances did it.
Even by wiping the entire 0.0 sov CCP cannot fix it: they could have invested in huge isk producing machines in empire or whatever...
wow this is really a big turn around... and I think it's REALLY funny but probably because I'm a total casual (and crappy) player.
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Bodhisattvas
Crepitus Ventris
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Vitrael
test
I'm Sparticus!!!
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IonHammer
Minmatar
Black Avatar
Lost Sheep Domain
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:57:00 -
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:) another day in paradise.
If thats your real life i'm very jealous - Petwraith |
HankMurphy
Minmatar
Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tirym
Edited by: Tirym on 11/12/2008 04:53:02
Now... it's so complicated. The fact is that even by removing all isks from wallets would definetly NOT be enough, nor would the banning.
The problem lies in the fact that ISK can be invested and so it turns out that without cheating someone couldn't buy T2 // capital // etc BPs of any form, or maybe could not win the battle for that system with so rich moons, could not finance this or that activity that generated X ISK...
Nothing short of a complete reboot can fix this IF this has been going on for four years and IF more than 2/3 alliances did it.
Even by wiping the entire 0.0 sov CCP cannot fix it: they could have invested in huge isk producing machines in empire or whatever...
wow this is really a big turn around... and I think it's REALLY funny but probably because I'm a total casual (and crappy) player.
a reboot would be ridiculous.
however, if a regular joe can get a character banned for the HINT that he received illegitimate isk what is the reprocussions for this?
will the people that did it get off the hook because it hadn't been discovered as an exploit? Or because it was rotten businesss will ccp be lopping arms and legs of some of the larger isk holders? (we probably will never know).
It is discouraging to think there are/were legitimate alliances out there that probably got snuffed out by a 'better' one (better at cheating)
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Vigilant
Gallente
Vigilant's Vigilante's
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:57:00 -
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CCP will not name and shame... They will fix the problem, punish the idiots who exploited, and EVE will move onward
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Yaay
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:57:00 -
[399]
Originally by: Lady Karma
Edited by: Lady Karma on 11/12/2008 00:57:01
Originally by: Solostrom
As for the use of this exploit, so far it has been evoke and MM admitting it. You can go on the witch hunt for bob and goons if you like, but there are guys raising their hands.
err, did i miss something?
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Goedekke Michels
Caldari
Rhinemetal Steelworks
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:59:00 -
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Will CCP react in the same style they do with the Daisho Titan?
Did CCP got the balls to remove every Titan from a big alliance build with using this exploit?
Or will it just be banning 3 Hauler or Pos Alts per Corp/Alliance as they do normaly without harming "their friends"?
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Sarah Elkadar
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:12:00 -
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Players or even aliances will not be named \ shamed but this is massive. if what I am reading on other threads \ sites is even partialy correct this has huge implications.
Since a POS is a corp asset were CEOS banned, corp members who received isk for the sale of the exploit materials. Were the people selling the product banned.
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assets gained from its use have been seized
This seems a bit too general. This was a huge isk fountain, Short of a huge audit of the material sales I fail to see how you can say assets gained were removed. For other sites it seems we are talking about Trillions of isk. One person from scrapheap is estimating his gain was 3 Trillion over 4 years. Did every titan, station, and BPO from this exploit get removed? All corp assets locked and seized.
Banning one person that was doing it is a start but I would be interested in a list of items seized as it would give an idea of how wide spread this was.
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Harrigan VonStudly
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:13:00 -
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If the poster on SHC is to be believed this is yet another allegation, rumor, whatever you want to call it concerning the deep seeded connection between CCP and (a well known 0.0 alliance) and their cheating ways. Full disclosure and apologies for the lack of honesty and insider alliance building with unfair advantages are due a lot of players. If it's true, of course.
Of those banned, CCP, can I has their stuffs
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:17:00 -
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Quote:
Rumour has it that...
I'm smelling a lot of rumor from this thread. Rumor is not usful.
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Day Prichard
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:20:00 -
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I am sure all of the traders that do data dumps for most of the t2 component pre-cursors will notice that there are some irregularities that exist between the manual data download (from prior days) and what the market is showing now.
Interesting times we live in....
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Farret
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:23:00 -
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Rumor has it that ppl have nothing better to do then figure out rumors.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:36:00 -
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Rumor has it that all of 0.0 will get rolled back to the state it was in 2004, including supercap production.
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Ideas for: Mining
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Aaron Static
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:37:00 -
[407]
RESET TRANQUILITY
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:41:00 -
[408]
Originally by: Ghoest
If you removed all the money the keys players would all be Bliiions in debt and everyone in their alliances that got free stuff would still be ahead.
the alliances need to lose all their POS immediatly.
It turns out the entire EVE game is built on cheating.
Our server that we play on has turned out there it is completely rigged. Without CCP slashing and burning down 0.0 to fix this I'm out sure how they could put this all back together.
I'm not normal one of the emo kids, but I have to say that this is deeply disturbing and I'm not sure if I will continue to play, if I do go I will take the things and reprocess them with the chars.
CCP, I don't think I want to play in your game anymore. With or without full disclosure.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:47:00 -
[409]
Originally by: Goedekke Michels
Will CCP react in the same style they do with the Daisho Titan?
Did CCP got the balls to remove every Titan from a big alliance build with using this exploit?
Or will it just be banning 3 Hauler or Pos Alts per Corp/Alliance as they do normaly without harming "their friends"?
wow you put to much faith in the new business model CCP has. CCP aren't cool anymore, they willbring down the hammer whille thier "friends" scream for mercy. At least thats what I would do to my "friends" if those friends where nothing more than people I meet in a game about spaceships, they don't know I' a dev remember? I just play with them, it's not ok to release my name. Suddenly I find out they have been expoilting MY GAME, those mother ****ers, it's on.
At least that's what I would do I would lose faith in my friends.
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Zaethiel
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:51:00 -
[410]
Originally by: Vigilant
CCP will not name and shame... They will fix the problem, punish the idiots who exploited, and EVE will move onward
CCP can ban their accounts but they can never take back the 4 years of unlimited money, their affect on the economy and politics, or any "contributions" to others.
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:52:00 -
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Sigh - another one of those silly threadnoughts where the tinfoil hats form insta-mobs.
Rumor is taken as fact. Wild assumptions are made and reasoning abilities get self-nerfed. Typical aspects of your standard mob.
A self-confessing cheater claims that something went on for 4 years. His words are taken at face value - while nothing CCP says gets any credibility. The source is somebody who claims not to care about EVE - but keeps playing for years. Why do so few see the obvious contradictions here?
CCP is accused of having known about it for years - but not bothered to fix it. What could have their motivation been? None of this is in CCPs best interest. Self-interest is usually the best indicator of what's really going on.
The fact alone that CCP did not act sooner makes it more reasonable to assume it either wasn't widely used during last few years - and that CCP simply didn't know about it until recently.
Even the economic effects are wildly speculated without bringing much reason into the mix. Sure making up wild numbers is way more fun and helps if you like to predict doomsday now and then.
1) If we assume that it was widely used by large alliances - then the effects between them cancel each other.
2) It's silly to assume that prices for T2 components are one-dimensional and static. CCP would not notice an exploit for a long time when prices are roughly were they want them to be. If that is the case then without such an exploit CCP might have tuned some other variables - like BPC quality and number of runs, and/or material output etc....
Worst case - a bunch of cheaters profited from this way too long - but now get banned. Alliances profiting from this cancel each other out. Pilots everywhere (except some manufacturs) were happy about the prices - and the prices would have fallen anyway.
Anyway - calm down - let the devs finish their sleep and give them *reasonable* time to get to the bottom of this.
No - a few hours is not reasonable. Analyzing a large amount of data with care and doing something with that will likely take days.
Expecting detailed reports while CCP is still working on finding out themselves is not reasonable.
Assuming worst case scenarios on the unverified rumors by some is not reasonable.
Assuming CCP guilty of incompetence or conspiracy until proven otherwise is not reasonable.
As with all other previous cases of flash-mobs this will not be the end.
Be reasonable. Try it - works better than you think.
Bye to the 5-10 emoragequitters who really quit. Perhaps a bit less whining then.
I don't want you stuff. And you'll need it when you come back. ;-)
Some predictions of my own:
1) This is not the end of EVE
2) 0.0 alliances will not suddenly collapse
3) T2 prices will not explode in the long run. When prices rise more manufacturers will enter the market - creating new downward pressure. If current prices were roughly what CCP wanted then they can tune other variables.
4) Overall political and economic effects will be negligible beyond the short-term.
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ISK BUYER = LOOSER
EVE TV- Bring it back!
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jeffb
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Glengrant
3) T2 prices will not explode in the long run. When prices rise more manufacturers will enter the market - creating new downward pressure. If current prices were roughly what CCP wanted then they can tune other variables.
How are people supposed to produce more moon minerals? Some other duping exploit?
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Jesum
Amarr
Crimson Pact
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:00:00 -
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Restart the servers, this is insane. If the RA were using this to make the mothership I scammed illegally which ended up in my 2003 character's wallet being set to -10bn isk I kinda want it back. This would explain why they didn't say a word about it, like nothing happened, when I took their Nyx.
This is an outrage.
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Baske
Space-Bar
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:05:00 -
[414]
Originally by: Jix Star
Perhaps the patch was delayed as CCP had to upgrade the hardware that runs the forums due to the incomming Threadnought.
qftw
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ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:08:00 -
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quick way to drain isk out of the system is to simply encourage more pvp
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:10:00 -
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I always thought moons were the new static plex. Little did I know how right I was.
/Ben
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1TheOneAvenger1
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:13:00 -
[417]
If I was CCP I would press charges. Might see some major fines and penalties for the perpetrators of the act.
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Baske
Space-Bar
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:14:00 -
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Logic says that the major power-blocks are the ones who benifitted from this, or they wouldn't be powerblocks. No names mentioned, You know who you are !
Wipe 0.0 clean, blow up all those titans. I am inclined to say that nothing but a server semi-reset will be close to fixing the impact this bug have had over the years.
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C4w3
Minmatar
Corp 1 Allstars
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:18:00 -
[419]
Edited by: C4w3 on 11/12/2008 06:20:18
I refuse to wordfilter R..E ,, T A ..R D --E D 
ANGRY INTERNET GAMING MOBS IRL are bad MKAY!
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Baske
Space-Bar
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:24:00 -
[420]
Originally by: 1TheOneAvenger1
If I was CCP I would press charges. Might see some major fines and penalties for the perpetrators of the act.
Yeah, if this has screwed the game balance all up, and CCP loses tons of customers because of it's exposure, they might have a valid case in court....interesting.
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