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hudders
Caldari Demio's Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.29 02:11:00 -
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just a game guys, chill
If you dont like it dont play. [img]http://www.battleclinic.com/kill_sigs/signature_display |
URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2008.12.29 03:44:00 -
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One certianly has to laugh at this whole situation. I am glad it was (semi) uncovered that this was going on. Kudos to whoever dropped this dime in the 3rd party forum.
I'll throw a vote into the pile for transparency of the involved players and their corps.
I agree that this is CCPs ultimate fault.. but at the same time these players knew this was not how the system worked. If you are at this level.. you know!
So they are equally as guilty as CCP. CCP absolutely knows what is going on here. They are programmers.. nothing can happen unless the code is there to make it happen. Please do not insult my intelligence with this being an exploit you missed for a year or 4 years.. a month..whatever..
In 20 years of online gaming, and even being the marketing arm for a small UT mod..rest assured.. the programmers know every bug and exploit! Most exploits in a 3D game are map and object based... This doesn't exist.. but for example sake..say a ceptor is able to penetrate a pos shield by using a high end mwd and rams the shield to gain entry.
This bug/exploit (if you can call it that) is one that involves postive(i.e. mining yield) and negative (i.e. fuel consumption) numric quantities.. it HAS to be programmed in. As far as those who took advantage of the system.. I hope all your corps and accounts crumble to dust! It just makes it all the better for those who remain.
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Garnet Alf
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Posted - 2008.12.29 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: hudders just a game guys, chill
If you dont like it dont play.
Thanks for your well thought out and insightful comment.
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Garnet Alf
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Posted - 2008.12.29 11:42:00 -
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Originally by: URUS FORGE
This bug/exploit (if you can call it that) is one that involves postive(i.e. mining yield) and negative (i.e. fuel consumption) numric quantities.. it HAS to be programmed in.
I agree with this comment. It is well known in programming circles that you run sample information through some code to check that it is working ok. This "exploit" could stem from a simple programming test that was left in either because no one at CCP thought it would be found, or someone at CCP has used to further the aims of their own corp within the game.
Are there any corps that CCP has been involved in?
Pretty sure I have read that they have indeed been involved within the game as players. They do after all claim to be gamers themselves.
Are there any alliances who seem to be escaping these bans?
Word on the grapevine is that no one involved in a BoB corp has been banned. I don't know if that is true or not, but something smells distinctly piscean to me.
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Garnet Alf
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Posted - 2008.12.29 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Justice Starcatcher
What have you been reading, or smoking? There is no indication that CCP received a bug report on this.
Correction: There is no admittance by CCP that they received a bug report. That's very different from them not having received a bugf report.
Quote: The "supposed" bug report is just a fantasy created by the guilty to try to garner some sympathy.
The guilty who said it before any bans came in you mean?
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Garnet Alf
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Posted - 2008.12.29 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lucy'Lastic It's CCP. What did you expect?
Wow. I am startled by your ability to assess the situation.
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Nik W
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Posted - 2008.12.29 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Abulurd Boniface Edited by: Abulurd Boniface on 26/12/2008 15:04:40
I do not accept that this is an exploit. If CCP were indeed aware of how this functionality works and did nothing then it acquires the status of 'feature'. Obviously it has a very disruptive character, but CCP decided to ignore the issue. A major lapse of common sense.
The EULA statement that broken game mechanics are not to be used brings a warm smile to my face. It's the user now who has to be an expert on what constitutes broken game mechanics? I don't think so. It is the designer's product and their sole responsibility. The user has many things going on in their life: the kids are yelling, the wife is kvetching, the boss is nagging and 500 emails need urgent responses. The tax man wants part of your liver, the car dealer needs the last payment, mother-in-law is visiting for 2 weeks and the dog just emptied its entire gastro-intestinal tract on the new carpet. And oh yeah, about that online game thing you were playing? Please acquire expert knowledge of game mechanics so that when you find something that doesn't work as we intended [but we're not telling you how it is supposed to work in the first place], you can refrain from using it and report it to us so we can ignore it for 4 years.
No, my dear friends. CCP can scarcely be bothered to explain how the very basics of its game works and offers a laughable help system that does not address most of the questions the user has about how the environment works. Now an obscure feature in the game apparently malfunctions and the user who, after reporting it only to find their petition ignored, finds the functionality to keep working the way they found it to be working for YEARS ON END, can only conclude that this is in fact how the functionality was intended to work.
Thus, working within the limits of what the game allows, after having reported it and found their petition answered with deafening silence, it is the paying customer who bears the brunt of the belated wrath of the constructor for using functionality the constructor introduced and did not bother to adjust after having been notified of an apparent anomaly.
Tell me, in terms a lay men can understand, how it is the paying customer who has to suffer the consequence of the incompetence of the constructor's manufacturing process.
If this was, as it appears to be, a bug it is CCP's responsibility to fix it. They should restore the POS installations to their owners and reinstate the accounts deleted for using the system. If they knew about the problem and did not choose to address it, holding the customer responsible for manufacturing faults is a feat of astounding callousness.
Abulurd Boniface ME ME CEO
Are you for real? Do you think that you need to be an expert in game mechanics to know that your silos shouldn't fill up when your POS isn't being refueled? I have a perpetual motion machine for sale, would you like to buy it?
I'm not a mechanic, but I know my car stops working if I don't refuel it.
If I find a way to place a buy order without ISK leaving my wallet, should I be responsible if I use it?
It doesn't take a genius to see this is an exploit. The people involved admitted they knew the day would come. Just because you don't accept this as an exploit doesn't make it that way.
If those involved thought it was supposed to work the way it did they should be banned based on sheer stupidity.
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Krep
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Posted - 2008.12.29 17:43:00 -
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I've always objected to companies banning players for taking advantage of something the company in question broke in the first place. This is a game, not an online test of morality. If you find an exploit, fix it. Banning players doesn't reduce the damage and only introduces a small "now you know what happens to players to use exploits" element.
Just be quiet and fix your bugs/exploits and don't pretend this requires a glorified CSI:Eve Online investigation to cover up the fact that you let a major exploit exist for years. Do your job.
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Krep
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Posted - 2008.12.29 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Bruce Leroi Ha...well....those people will surely get their chance to be banned, eventually. And good riddance.
If your worry is that only luck and ignorance kept you from being guilty also, then you're not the type of player the rest of us want to have to deal with, anyway.
That will get no sympathy, here. Just quit Eve now so the honest people can have a better time playing.
Oh please. EVE was made to be harsh and cold. If CCP can't be arsed to unit test their code properly they shouldn't moan now, and neither should you. If you want fairness and excessive morality go have a browse on www.oprah.com. And spare me the honesty speech. The guy or girl you're responding to is honest, you're just politically correct.
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2008.12.30 00:44:00 -
[2680]
Is it right that CCP left this (without a doubt in my mind) known issue (to them) alone (for any amount of time) for people (of CCPs choosing) to exploit? no!
Did everyone at CCP know about it? I will give the benefit of the doubt here. Could be a few people with the intent on personal gain via real world dollars..GTCs etc.. I see recently one illegal isk seller now offers GTCs.. hmm?
Is it right that others found this exploit (they all knew it was an exploit) and used it to their advantage? no..
So whoever at CCP should be roasted at the stake along with all of their allies who used it.. it's that simple.
CCP has the ability to track this down instantly! We all know this from illegal isk sellers/buyers being caught, banned or heavily penalized with negative isk.
So CCP certianly knows the full extent of this.. do not fool yourself with their corporate mumbo jumbo.
That is my rational take..
If you want to go full blown conspiracy theory... one could say that CCP is actually behind their own illegal isk selling and have used it to manipulate us into paying more for the so-called legal way of GTC for isk trading.
And this whole thing is a way to make isk worth less, so that people ultimately will have to buy more GTCs to stay afloat.
I have no proof of any of that..and I am not one to draw way out conclusions.. but the dots certianly exist.
Will CCP punish ALL of those involved? doubtful
Will they reveal those involved? doubtful
Will I stop playing EvE.. doubtful.. it's the best MMORPG out, and it still has yet to reach its full potential.
If CCP takes full action on all those involved.. I will be satisfied.. again.. this is doubtful. So it sucks! but i'll live with it.
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Susung
Alt Anti-defamation League
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Posted - 2008.12.30 04:48:00 -
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Personally I think the punishment should be painfull and public, it helps to dissuade future exploiters. I do applaud CCP for bringing it right out into the open and dealing with the fallout and I trust them to do what is best for the game, in the long run that is what is best for me.
My biggest concern is the market. OF COURSE the exploitation has increased more recently invention has driven the demand for moon mins higher and higher. I have always wondered why prices seemed to not raise much from pre-invention levels, well here's the answer. There needs to be an analysis of the effects and a PUBLIC airing of the resolution. Finally something worthwhile for the CSM to ponder me thinks.
PS I am kinda fond of the idea of a moon mining COV OPS ship
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2008.12.30 05:48:00 -
[2682]
one more note.. it seems prices have already risen in hi-sec areas near jita. Some have as much as doubled.
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Bruce Destro
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Posted - 2008.12.30 10:11:00 -
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i have a few things to say. first i believe that the isk on the 70 or however many accounts AND the isk in the corp wallets should be distributed to all affected players depending on how long their accounts have been active during the exploit and to the total numbers of non trial accounts that were active for a certain peroid or longer during the exploit. im sure the isk will total in the billions. distributing this fairly to these members maybe difficult. but i see it as the only way to make it up to use who have had an unfair advantage gaining economic stability.
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2008.12.30 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Bruce Destro i have a few things to say. first i believe that the isk on the 70 or however many accounts AND the isk in the corp wallets should be distributed to all affected players depending on how long their accounts have been active during the exploit and to the total numbers of non trial accounts that were active for a certain peroid or longer during the exploit. im sure the isk will total in the billions. distributing this fairly to these members maybe difficult. but i see it as the only way to make it up to use who have had an unfair advantage gaining economic stability.
Actually that would balance it out. You offset the 0 cost product with 0 cost isk to those effected.
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Steph Wing
Gallente Wingnuts Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.31 10:56:00 -
[2685]
Posting in a threadnaught.
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Blonde Shopper
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Posted - 2009.01.01 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Blonde Shopper on 01/01/2009 01:47:32 New page for the new year? Perhaps in more ways than 1...
Or... Maybe not, same old, same old...
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JagdWulfe
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Posted - 2009.01.01 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Krep I've always objected to companies banning players for taking advantage of something the company in question broke in the first place. This is a game, not an online test of morality. If you find an exploit, fix it. Banning players doesn't reduce the damage and only introduces a small "now you know what happens to players to use exploits" element.
Just be quiet and fix your bugs/exploits and don't pretend this requires a glorified CSI:Eve Online investigation to cover up the fact that you let a major exploit exist for years. Do your job.
I have to respectfully disagree. Finding an exploit you should as a player report this. It is no different than the idiots that play BF2 and hide in bushes and such so they are unkillable. I have no pity on the people that got caught and they should be shamed publiclly.
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mythpilot
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Posted - 2009.01.01 20:06:00 -
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i agree with the guy above me (Happy New Year keep the threadnought STRONG)
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Quantum Pyre
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Posted - 2009.01.02 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Quantum Pyre on 02/01/2009 20:45:25 Edited by: Quantum Pyre on 02/01/2009 20:39:59 I don't exactly understand what they were making, minerals? Then high end goods? I've noticed mineral prices have been low. I've been training for tech 2 manufacture, that's a lot of training. Seems to be a profit in tech 2 items. Will the market price for the high tech items, needed for manufacturing, that I have been observing, go up and make that all moot? I haven't got a clue how they did this. ie click this button, then that...? I don't know, if I found that happening, whether I would worry, I'd probably keep doing it. But I don't steal or rip of other players. I don't attack weaker opponents, I'm not a pirate. I hope no good, innocent ppl got caught up. Ppl who spend hundreds of hours and isk helping and building their corp, unaware... I think we need more information!
"Destroying starbases", but they said they're still investigating. Shouldn't that be done after an investigation? Sorry, I worry sometimes, I'm enjoying this game, I'm investing a great deal too much time playing it. In a year or five it could just disappear, **** happens. BUT I DON'T WANT THE THREAT OF AN ARBITRARY CCP CLOSING MY ACCOUNT! My initial thought is a trial, we need more information! Not like a real world trial. A fact finding. Then a survey... vote?
And while I'm on the subject of a negative attitude: The text "select one item", using 'autolink', should be green, not red; When I select a destination, again, I want it to say "destination confirmed", NOT "You can not select the same destination twice", plz. I don't like my computer giving me 'attitude'.
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Anglo
Minmatar Astral Mexicans
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Posted - 2009.01.03 09:01:00 -
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so when will ccp compensate all of eve for this ??? it had impact on all of us.
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.01.03 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Anglo so when will ccp compensate all of eve for this ??? it had impact on all of us.
"Compensate" how? Should CCP dupe a few billion ISK for every character in the game? I hear printing vast sums of money is a great solution to all economic problems, c/d?
The damage is done, the only thing CCP can do is fix the code which allowed the exploit (which it seems they have done) and make sure it doesn't happen again. -----------
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.03 16:48:00 -
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My understanding is that the POS basically ran for free without fuel costs. Odds are unless you had access to these POS's you don't have to worry.
The reality is these are mostly alt chars in alt corps.. these are alts from some of the largest corps in game... used alts so CCP can create plausible deniability about this 100% intended flaw.
The impact is staggering.. some prices have risen as much as 50%
It would be easy to CCP to offset this problem. Calculate the illegal material in game as a percentage of the whole. Distribute equally among all active players this same % of isk. It would take time.. but it would ultimately balance out.
CCP should 1) fire their economist 2) fire the coder 3) ban everyone directly involved.
CCP will 1) ban alts but not the mains 2) find a new way for the major corps to exploit the game so they can fund these massive wars to continue rather than allow these major corps to lose their foothold in low/no sec..
In essence we are talking about a USA big 3 auto bail out being kept under the rug..
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Xarosa
Minmatar Red.
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Posted - 2009.01.04 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: URUS FORGE My understanding is that... <SNIP!>
Enough of this bulls**t!
Do you happen to know the meaning of libel, slander, vilification, disambiguation and defamation?
You sure say a lot but your words mean nothing without evidence. I suggest you keep your opinion(s) to yourself because that's all they are! Are you one of those involved in the moongate scandal and annoyed that you got caught, so you're starting a contemptuous smear campaign against ccp? Sure sounds like it to me. Petulant fool. -)(-
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.04 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Xarosa
Originally by: URUS FORGE My understanding is that... <SNIP!>
Enough of this bulls**t!
Do you happen to know the meaning of libel, slander, vilification, disambiguation and defamation?
You sure say a lot but your words mean nothing without evidence. I suggest you keep your opinion(s) to yourself because that's all they are! Are you one of those involved in the moongate scandal and annoyed that you got caught, so you're starting a contemptuous smear campaign against ccp? Sure sounds like it to me. Petulant fool.
Ya I am in on it .. you got me... thats why I want all the people involved banned. That is why I want CCP to be completely transparent. You have exposed my mastermind plot.
Please sue me! really.. I want to see the judge laughing as he slams the gavel down. CCP won't ban all the players involved in this .. because of $... you think they are gonna spend $ of a lawyer based on what I have written? laughable! They are more than welcome too.. I have 3 lawyer friends from college willing to be entertained.
Lets put the known pieces together
1-4 years of free fuel to MM and run several stations.
70 banned people (easily these are all over 1 year chars, and definatly alts to be able to pull this off. You don't just come in EvE as a noob and know how to set up a station and figure all this out your 1st year, let alone be allowed to have a station in low/nosec without any of the big 3 knowing about it or approving it)
CCP claims stations destroyed.. but offers no locations as to hide possible knowlededge of which of these major corps are involved?
The question begs.. why is CCP protecting these players and corps? What does CCP gain or lose by not being 100% transparent?
Every player of EvE not involved in this should be outraged. Your isk value has just declined, and it is going to be even more difficult to climb the ladder ..unless? you trade more GTCs? hmmmm?? and who would benefit from that? lets see.. not you... not me.. I wonder?.. it certianly is a mystery.. I can tell you with 99.9% certianty that either a) you have to hack the client side b) actually have programmed in this so-called "exploit" from CCPs side..
Odds of someone hacking a client like EvEs without CCP knowing for 1-4 years of patches and updates < 0
We now know for 100% fact the much hailed economist of EvE is a hack at best since he can't even see the obvious balance of fuel costs vs materials produced. Or he simply ignored them .. either way his credability is shot.
We know for a fact that illegal isk sellers are now offering GTCs at discounted prices. I find it very hard to believe that CCP somehow is in the dark and can't sew up all the illegal isk and now GTCs..
EvE is straight spread sheet stuff.. Everything from mining, salvaging to manufacturing is easily tracked.
Ok now follow closely I don't want to lose you here..because these are the absolutes we are left with.
a) CCP or individuals within CCP knew about it all the way from the start and have made gain from it
b) CCPs coders and economists are complete novice hacks who can't even see the most basic flaws of the game
Now which one of these seems more plausible? If you need help.. ask these guys. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcR-DQpuorE
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Xarosa
Minmatar Red.
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Posted - 2009.01.04 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: URUS FORGE Please sue me! really.. I want to see the judge laughing as he slams the gavel down. CCP won't ban all the players involved in this .. because of $... you think they are gonna spend $ of a lawyer based on what I have written? laughable! They are more than welcome too.. I have 3 lawyer friends from college willing to be entertained.
I'm talking about EvE issues not legal issues. Take, for example, the forum rules.
Quote: EVE Forum Rules
The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community. In order to maintain order and a sense of community, all users should read and follow these conditions. By participating in the forum, users are affirming their willingness to comply with these terms. This memorandum has been created to provide you with information about what you can expect here, what is expected of you, and to answer some questions you may have in your use of the EVE Online forums.
I believe you are well and truely in violation of Rule 5:
Quote: 5. Ranting is prohibited A rant is a post which is long-winded, redundant and filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents.
You have clearly NOT adhered to the Eve forum rules because you are ranting and raving (venting anger, inciting rebellion, etc.) about the same issue(s) in EVERY post you make! I sincerely hope CCP read this! -)(-
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Rancideous
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Posted - 2009.01.05 03:22:00 -
[2696]
When do you think CCP is going to provide information about this topic? It's going on three to four weeks now. I hope they aren't trying to sweep it under the rug...
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.05 06:02:00 -
[2697]
Originally by: Xarosa
Originally by: URUS FORGE Please sue me! really.. I want to see the judge laughing as he slams the gavel down. CCP won't ban all the players involved in this .. because of $... you think they are gonna spend $ of a lawyer based on what I have written? laughable! They are more than welcome too.. I have 3 lawyer friends from college willing to be entertained.
I'm talking about EvE issues not legal issues. Take, for example, the forum rules.
Quote: EVE Forum Rules
The EVE forums are intended to provide a warm, friendly atmosphere for the EVE community. In order to maintain order and a sense of community, all users should read and follow these conditions. By participating in the forum, users are affirming their willingness to comply with these terms. This memorandum has been created to provide you with information about what you can expect here, what is expected of you, and to answer some questions you may have in your use of the EVE Online forums.
I believe you are well and truely in violation of Rule 5:
Quote: 5. Ranting is prohibited A rant is a post which is long-winded, redundant and filled with angry, non-constructive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and helpful in the development of the game, but rants are disruptive and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise, clear manner and avoid going off on rambling tangents.
You have clearly NOT adhered to the Eve forum rules because you are ranting and raving (venting anger, inciting rebellion, etc.) about the same issue(s) in EVERY post you make! I sincerely hope CCP read this!
Well 1st off I have called no one a "fool" as you have done.. I prefer to explain in rigid detail what I see.. and what is clearly plausible and more than likely fact. 2nd .. they will see it. I reported your post ;)
I have mearly laid out the facts which were given and connected the dots.. being someone who worked closely with programmers in the old days of UT mods.. You could say I have some insider experience.
Lastly.. I have every right to be angry. How I express that anger is a different matter!
I am a paying CUSTOMER of a PRODUCT .. and I can and will expect a certian level of QUALITY of product & service as well as performance of said product.
Lets say you are correct, they knew nothing.. then CCP is basically a buncha people who have no idea about what is really going on in their game. They have put up a huge front, and the exposure of this so-called "exploit" has proven that point with out a shadow of a doubt.. there is no way this can be argued if you are correct.
Now from my perspective.. I am giving CCP (or someone at CCP) credit for having the brains to pull this kinda wool over the our eyes for 1-4 years. What I lay out is actually a smart albeit devious way to get more cash flow. I think dear sir, you forget that CCP is here to make money.. and this whole fiasco will make them more. Isk has been devalued throughout the entire game .. you can clearly see it with the prices that have risen. Now this means more work for some.. and more purchase of GTCs for others.
If you would like to dispute an actual point I have made with some valid evidence of even plain logic. I am more than open minded to listen to rational debate. In fact.. I would love to be proven wrong.
I think the only people I have thrown stones at, are the people I am paying for this game. And that is a right every customer has when they are not satisfied.
Cheers!
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Kaptain Kruncher
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Posted - 2009.01.05 08:03:00 -
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Xarosa, please don't feed the Troll. It just keeps him from his real job of goose-stepping around the french frier at McDonalds.
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Forum Chav
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Posted - 2009.01.05 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kaptain Kruncher Xarosa, please don't feed the Troll. It just keeps him from his real job of goose-stepping around the french frier at McDonalds.
ouch.
lmao
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Esha Latang
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Posted - 2009.01.05 11:53:00 -
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Imho if the exploit was there then they shouldn't have been punished for using it. If you discover one day that your ISK doubles by undocking, targeting a sentry gun, then redocking, what are you gonna do? Go run to CCP and tell them its happening? No, you're gonna keep doing it. The level of technology used to make Eve just means someone isn't doing their job correctly if things are allowed to continue.
Finding players had done this for four years would have been major egg on CCP's face, and instead of just tucking their tail between their legs and fixing it, and simply preventing the exploiters from continuing, they decide (unjustly I feel) to punish those responsible.
Eve is not a simple game. You can play it with varying levels of understanding, ranging from the very little. A total green noob can do anything he wants, target other players, etc, but he learns when he pulls that trigger that Concord is not very sympathetic. But what if said noob mines an asteroid and gets double the yield? Would he even know he was getting more than he was supposed to? So then he carries on doing this for four years and then gets an instant ban. Ridiculous.
However, if these exploits were used by developers who knew about them, then they should face a ban and dismissal from CCP. Imho I don't think developers (or anyone who works for CCP) should be permitted to have a standard player account. That would put an end to the real exploiters, and those with the clear advantage on the game.
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