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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2009.01.31 15:05:00 -
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It has been well over a month... any updates?
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.31 15:40:00 -
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the last update was about 2 weeks ago from CSM.. saying there would be an extremely detailed report which would explain every thing except the names of the pilots.
Which basically is saying that they have proved the theory of relativeity.. but we can't show you the evidence. |
URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.31 21:50:00 -
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Ok I have continued to look around to find a reason why I should trust CCP on their handling of this issue.. In their last statement CCP said they couldn't see it until it was too late. I recently found something that was rather interesting and thought I would share it, and let folks make up their own mind.
As we all know EvE has an economist Dr.EyjoG http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=author&p=CCP%20Dr.EyjoG
The good Dr himself has professed that minerals and all building mats are the very Foundation of EvE.
I would like folks to look at the many indepth graphs posted by the good Dr here from 2007 http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=498
Clearly you can see the good Doc has access to massive ammounts of data involving the very foundations of the eve economy. Please pay particular attention to the smaller graphs noting TOTAL MINERALS in the game.... broken down by mineral types.
Now this 'exploit' if you can call it that.. was pumping out free mats every cycles x 6 stations .. per the Doc..In 2007 there was an avg of 1.6 trillion in minerals traded daily.
Now moon mats are not exactly as plentiful as trit.. pye.. ane possibly even as rare or rarer than zyd.
Now the Doc can track trillions of minerals.. but not moon mats? So to all those people who have simply tossed stones at me, rather than engaging in intelligent friendly discourse.. I must say.. check mate! I am now 99.999% confident that CCP can see every input/output of the game.
If they can pull data like that on minerals.. I know they have it all right at their fingertips.
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Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2009.02.01 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: URUS FORGE Ok I have continued to look around to find a reason why I should trust CCP [snip]...economist Dr.EyjoG[snip]... professed that minerals and all building mats are the very Foundation of EvE.
[snip] the good Doc has access to massive ammounts of data involving the very foundations of the eve economy. Please pay particular attention to the smaller graphs noting TOTAL MINERALS in the game.... broken down by mineral types.
Now this 'exploit' if you can call it that.. was pumping out free mats every cycles x 6 stations .. per the Doc..In 2007 there was an avg of 1.6 trillion in minerals traded daily.
Now moon mats are not exactly as plentiful as trit.. pye.. ane possibly even as rare or rarer than zyd.
Now the Doc can track trillions of minerals.. but not moon mats? [snip]CCP can see every input/output of the game.
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CCP admits to the existing disgrace only because they were irrefutably caught by out-of-game sources that "might" effect new customers joining eve play and inform existing client base that do not frequent these forums but haunt other forums.
Those of us that are upset by this uncaring unwillingness to accept responsibility for CCP employee actions coupled with tepid attempt at justification for abdicating our expectation of a fair game to all are in the "acceptable losses" column. We don't impact the financial bottom line.
You've proven CCP economist Dr.EyjoG, undeniably knew of manipulated market for nefarious reasons; continuing silence on CCPs part is habitual entrenched arrogant disdain for it's paying customer base.
Bet the good Dr. regrettably informs his 'unfortunate' omission of moon materials tracking in the upcoming report.
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.02.01 18:08:00 -
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Rata, it does not matter.. we now know they have the ability to see it. And since moon mats are as vital as trit to the economy.. only a fool would think they could not see this problem. |
PJRiddick
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Posted - 2009.02.02 13:37:00 -
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URUS,.. YOu my friend are on right, CCP DOSE have the ability to go back and see EVERYTHING that happens in there game. Not to change the subject here but,...to prove my point here a bit, A while back in was out missioning and due to a glitch in the mission i ended up loosing a mega. I went back to one of the game masters and explaned to him what had happened and by his own admittion what had happened should not have happened, and that it was a glitch in the mission. He further went on and explaned that with out proof of the insodent he could not reimburse me the ship. This insodent went on back and forth between me and this GM for about two weeks untill i thld him that i had hooked up with one of my corp mates in the mission and that there was a witness to the insodent that i was filing on. It was at that point that this GM finally went back and looked at the logs and reimbursed me the ship. NOW to get back to the problem at hand. It seems to me that this kind of attitude is very flagerent in the workings of not only the GMs but the developers and the people that run and manage the game. If this is true, "LAZYNESS" then the questin arises "Will we ever get the questions answered as to what actually happened" or will we just be shrugged off as we have been scence all this transpired. And to give a thank yo to the GM that i was working thru,.."Thank you for taking the time to look at the records and the reimbursement ofmy Mega". CCP,...take note,...this GM did a good job here and did what was right, Your turn,...give us what you have found so far. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I was told in the beginning not to trust anyone in EVE,...Im seeing that this thought extends well into life as it is. Clatu Verada Nicto Fly safe and watch your back,....you dont know whos looking to chew on it. >R<
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.04 07:15:00 -
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So CCP, its been almost 2 weeks since the last CSM meetings. We have information that they were presented with the final results of these findings and were told it would be made in short order.
Why the delay?
It was ready to show them, lets get it out and let folks see what's there. |
URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.02.04 14:41:00 -
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The delay is pathetic really.. |
Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:44:00 -
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Edited by: Rata Nrnima on 05/02/2009 01:17:37
Originally by: El'Niaga So CCP, its been almost 2 weeks since the last CSM meetings. We have information that they were presented with the final results of these findings and were told it would be made in short order.
Why the delay?
It was ready to show them, lets get it out and let folks see what's there.
We have to wait until we are closer to the new patch release so paying customers do not have time to obtain answers to inevitable questions. CCP will be entirely too busy to respond because of the impossible problems with releasing a patch way to early. BUT! It will divert attention. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
Our options:
1. Continue to pay and play. Ignor it all.
2. Take the advice of so many of the above and take our collective money and go play WOW/(Insert name of game).
3. Continue to pay whine until the next cheat is disclosed.
CCP cares less which any of us choose. |
URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.02.05 15:17:00 -
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In light of recent news...more light may be shed on this exploit. |
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.02.08 06:47:00 -
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I doubt it, they don't really want to tell us.
As previously mentioned, no way an exploit on this scale lasted for years without some sort of complacency on one or more CCP employees parts.
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Blue Harrier
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.02.08 11:20:00 -
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I canÆt understand why all the æconspiracy theoristsÆ havenÆt made note of the æmaster strokeÆ possibly pulled by CCP.
At the start of this thread much æfinger pointingÆ was directed at BOB and many accusations founded or unfounded were made at their possible use of this exploit.
So if CCP in their data mining found the accusations were true (personally I donÆt care either way), what better way to remove the embarrassment than disbanding BOB, giving the Goons the credit then launching the next expansion.
They now have a very big æcarpetÆ to sweep the rubbish under and all the pointing fingers get their æpound of fleshÆ (the demise of BOB) and everyone else comes out smelling of roses.
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Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2009.02.09 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Harrier I canÆt understand why all the æconspiracy theoristsÆ havenÆt made note of the æmaster strokeÆ possibly pulled by CCP.
At the start of this thread much æfinger pointingÆ was directed at BOB and many accusations founded or unfounded were made at their possible use of this exploit.
So if CCP in their data mining found the accusations were true (personally I donÆt care either way), what better way to remove the embarrassment than disbanding BOB, giving the Goons the credit then launching the next expansion.
They now have a very big æcarpetÆ to sweep the rubbish under and all the pointing fingers get their æpound of fleshÆ (the demise of BOB) and everyone else comes out smelling of roses.
Not all believe BOB is really gone. Your observations are dead on - Glaringly so. It drives home: Back to business as usual. The perfect coup.
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PJRiddick
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Posted - 2009.02.09 13:22:00 -
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As i said before,..those that were removed from game, more than likely now are back in the game under either another account or an alt. i cant see CCP removing so many players "just like that". Just like the liberals of this country,......>Back Room Deals<
Now THERES a Comspiricy theory for ya <----<<<
Just my thoughts,.... >R<
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Life is Experience Rally Against Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.10 05:15:00 -
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Personally I don't really care if people in 0.0 were getting reactions for "free". There is no end game in Eve, just the good people I fly with that makes the game fun.
What is concerning is the Dr's lack of quarterly reports, which I read when I found them and enjoyed them too.
However if you know that the maximum amount of x = 2 per year, yet 4.5 times as much had hit the market in the first twelve months then surely you'd realise something was wrong. Multiply that by four years and even at my imaginary figures it's impossible NOT to detect.
Of course, I'm assuming that CCP knows EXACTLY what moons, in what system has what moon materials at any given moment, and the fact that they don't change means it's pretty static. It's a case of how much can you get of x per moon per week/month/year. Not a difficult sum by any means. Might be a little harder in finding out where the minerals and items came from when produced so the sheer number of T2 ships might have been a second indicator as well.
Whatever the answers the dev's play the game. CCP has introduced the Internal Review guys, but CCP seem to be employing a lot more marketing speelers who are obviously more visual than the IR people. The only thing left to be said is that it's their sandbox. This is the only sci-fi mmo on the market and when a gambler is asked why they go to the crooked game the reply is "It's the only game in town".
-------------------------- Life is about memories the more the better.
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PJRiddick
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Posted - 2009.02.10 15:37:00 -
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Hay Guys,...i was just up on Battleclinic.com,...go look at there intro page. There is a blurb about BoBs disbandment. Thought you all might be interested,.. thats todays daate 10Feburary 2009
And for some of you,...this might answer some of your questions but raise more unanswered ones in the same breath.
>R<
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Shai'Hailud
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Posted - 2009.02.22 03:17:00 -
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Could we get an update about current investigations please, would be a shame to let this thread die a silent death.
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Cuchulain Spartan
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Posted - 2009.02.24 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Cuchulain Spartan on 24/02/2009 15:56:53
Originally by: URUS FORGE
I think it is high time for CCP to remove themselves and their employees as players of the game. They need to remove all suspect of them and their direct involvement surrounding these so-called 'exploits'
Anyone here ever enter a competition to win a car or the local lotto? Read the fine print and most of the time it says that employees and direct family member/friends of employees arent permitted to enter, why?
CONFLICT OF INTEREST, thats why !
I for one agree that no CCP employer should ever be allowed to play on a private account. Yes it would be hard to police but finding an employee who does should be an instant fire offence.
I dont trust CCP, why, because one or two bad eggs in the past have spoiled the whole pot for me (Vincent "t20" P, a core EVE developer anyone?)And yes I still play the game and pay because I like the game; I just dont like what goes on behind some of the closed doors.
Based on the t20 incident and this 4 year POS moon min exploit I cant trust CCP to do the right thing. After all t20 was never fired and the moon min exploit went "unnoticed" for so long. Both only came to light after players made them public, not CCP
URUS FORGE, I want to thank you for keeping this alive and agree with you 100% on all of your posts that I have read. Keep up the fine work.
Cuc
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