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Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 10/12/2008 22:16:12
There are allegations of an exploit allowing for the creation of advanced moon materials without the raw materials, in other words making T2 stuff without buying the expensive moon minerals. There are claims that exploitation of this bug was done for 4 years on a massive scale among several of the major powers resulting in trillions of ISK.
CCP has thus far only confirmed the exploits existence.
CCP is being less than forthcoming, perhaps they plan to be, perhaps they don't. Either way, I believe the CSM, our representatives should call for transparency on this issue.
We are talking about the possible fraudulent creation of tens of trillions of ISK worth of T2 materials leading to the rise and decline of supposedly several of the major alliances. This needs to be investigated transparently, and the results published and debated publicly.
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Meganoita
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:20:00 -
[2]
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Electra Deis
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:22:00 -
[3]
Very much signed. IIRC part of the purpose behind the CSM was to provide transparency to CCPs actions wasn't it?
**** knows we need it on this.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:22:00 -
[4]
I don't know about naming names specifically - it's quite possible for individuals to have done this without ever mentioning it to others.
But I would like to know whether the problem is truely of this scale. -- 249km locking? |
Maximum Cash
Fiasko AB
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:23:00 -
[5]
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Jack's Rabbit
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:24:00 -
[6]
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:24:00 -
[7]
Signed, even though it'll never happen. |
Underpaid Overworked
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:25:00 -
[8]
Edited by: Underpaid Overworked on 10/12/2008 22:25:04 Agree 100%, You would have thought CCP learned from that whole T20 mess.
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Einstein's Ghost
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:25:00 -
[9]
yes
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zenthral staichon
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:26:00 -
[10]
Only signing this because I want to see people embarrassed and because I revel in the misfortune of others \o/
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Afale II
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: Afale II on 10/12/2008 22:26:10 x up for witch hunt
burn it, drown it!
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Political Prisoner
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:26:00 -
[12]
Definately ... I can barely scrounge a living in the game.
If one person has gotten away with it ... you know their buddies have gotten in on the action ...
Respectfully,
Political Prisoner
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Treelox
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:27:00 -
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I am fine with CCP refusing to name names, but I DEMAND that we know the extent of the damage. -- Chribba's LoveQuest 17:00hrs Dec. 20th (Prizes!!)
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Gnomes Rock
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:28:00 -
[14]
Signing before they lock this thread. |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:29:00 -
[15]
I would support this, that a detailed report about the issue and its impact is made known to the players.
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Mangala Solaris
Ma'adim Logistics
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Meganoita
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Arianhod
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:30:00 -
[17]
Haruhiists demand heads roll over this. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007. Haruhiists - Supporting Linkification since 2008
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Zhang Ramses
Chaos From Order Manifest Destiny.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:31:00 -
[18]
Yes please.
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fuze
Chosen Path Warp to Desktop
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:31:00 -
[19]
What's up with the petitions and bug reports about it and that it still could go on for this long. If IA isn't investigating this they really should. |
Emywn Vanya
Redemption or Retribution Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:32:00 -
[20]
Signed ----------------------- The answer is 42 |
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Mitel Necron
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:34:00 -
[21]
would like to see what happens
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Philip Richardson
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:37:00 -
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Edited by: Philip Richardson on 10/12/2008 22:36:54 Signed. We need info.
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GWB13
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:37:00 -
[23]
Signed
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Sloth Arnini
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:38:00 -
[24]
Signed. Whether it's being blown out of proportion or not, whether it's a massive speculation scam or whatever, the player base (especially those of us without ferrogel chains) needs full and thorough resolution as soon as possible.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:41:00 -
[25]
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Simi Terlin
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:42:00 -
[26]
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:44:00 -
[27]
I don't want a witch hunt here, but I certainly do want some answers. I hope and expect that CCP will provide them, but I'll certainly give the CSM a thumbs-up to go after them if they don't. ---------- Herschel's Lottery #3 - Win a Golem! |
Weavering
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:45:00 -
[28]
Signed
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TheG2
Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:46:00 -
[29]
Signed.
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Frug
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:46:00 -
[30]
Yes. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles |
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:47:00 -
[31]
Absolutly.
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ElweSingollo
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:47:00 -
[32]
signed even if I hold out zero hope of CCP being any more transparent about this than they have in regards to other scandals that have happened...
CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
In Before I Get M***** Again
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Jareck Hunter
Academy of Decadence Hereticus Aegis Communis
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:47:00 -
[33]
Since T20 i don't belive CCP, but they should tell us there version of the true things happening. ------------------------------------------------- Sorry for my bad english^^
Join public Channel "Decadence" or visit www.eve-decadence.de |
keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:49:00 -
[34]
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geomatica
Infusion.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:49:00 -
[35]
I concur.
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Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:50:00 -
[36]
/signed
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NaBeRa
DRUCKWELLE The Initiative.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:50:00 -
[37]
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AbosGER
Elite Aeronautic Developer Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:52:00 -
[38]
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Khyle
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:53:00 -
[39]
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:53:00 -
[40]
Unfortunately with the CSM Rules being the way they are, it's going to be a full week before the CSM can even consider this proposal. Which, given the massive impact this is currently having on the game is crazy.
We need answers and we need them Fast. Forget NDA, CCP need to be 100% Transparent on exactly what is going on here otherwise things could quickly start to hit their bottom line given the damage that this would do to their credibility if any part of this is unreported for any reason at all.
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Alerion
Freelancer Union Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:54:00 -
[41]
Signed.
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B'wana
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:55:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre Unfortunately with the CSM Rules being the way they are, it's going to be a full week before the CSM can even consider this proposal. Which, given the massive impact this is currently having on the game is crazy.
I think in this case CSM should call a "special" meeting, ASAP.
^^^sig zone indicator^^^
PR troll of Treelox |
Destoration
Amok.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 22:58:00 -
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:00:00 -
[44]
Yeah, it would be nice to know, if nothing else to avoid the not-so-guilty of beeing acused without ground |
Chienka
Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:00:00 -
[45]
Full transparency please. No guilty party should go unmentioned.
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Hertford
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:01:00 -
[46]
Absolutely. When a comedy of such dramatic proportions strikes the player base of EVE, it helps if we actually get to see the details to ensure chuckles.
Also, how else are we to run some books on which alliance bigwigs get banned? |
Allahs Warrior
Justified Hedonism And Dualism
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:02:00 -
[47]
Signed, and no Im not an alt...
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Valenthe
Point of No Return Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:04:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Valenthe on 10/12/2008 23:04:46 Yes, name and shame.
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Bartholomeus Crane
The Crane Family
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:05:00 -
[49]
Yes, it's not to late to give more information about what has been going on for so long. -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? |
Rheum Rhabarbarium
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:06:00 -
[50]
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:07:00 -
[51]
Taking bets on BoB involvement, offers accepted in ferrogel or any advanced material There was even talk of French toast
But there was none to be had |
Ima Alt
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:07:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Ima Alt on 10/12/2008 23:07:19 Transparency in my Eve!? That'll be the day.
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Datsun Achura
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:08:00 -
[53]
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Hei'di
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:08:00 -
[54]
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Horatius Caul
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:09:00 -
[55]
Sign and approve. -----
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:10:00 -
[56]
We NEED to know where the T2 BPOs are going, and they need to be reseeded. -----
CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander |
Darkeen
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:10:00 -
[57]
Regards,
Jason Brisbane
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Psy Co
Psy Co Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:10:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Psy Co on 10/12/2008 23:11:30 Yep, let's get some honest answers before the game suffers too badly.
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5pinDizzy
Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:10:00 -
[59]
Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 10/12/2008 23:10:39
I think this situation will be covered up as best can while just making off with a few scapegoats as there can be no way that not a single member of CCP knew anything about this at some level.
But signed if you think it'll help.
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Cas Ca'Dego
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:10:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Cas Ca''Dego on 10/12/2008 23:13:36 Agree |
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Quicksilver Industries and Painful Effects Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:11:00 -
[61]
totally agreeing with this.
I'd like some answers however on the BoB towers that remain in delve right now with the exact same setup described in the actual post.
why were the "offending towers" removed yet these ones obviously doing the same thing remain?
Even if no one gets banned on the bob side (that'll be the day), at least pull the towers because they do not deserve those assets.
Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
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SPQRMocton
Calmarr Technologies
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: SPQRMocton on 10/12/2008 23:13:23 I say enough is enough, All of eve needs to smash bob , They are the biggest bunch of cheaters in eve , I Must insist that there be an eve revolution and bob and whomever else was RIPPING the rest of us off get crushed like the s****they are , it wouldn't be hard to kill bob if all of eve just set them red and went bonkers on them.
The real truth is we don't need ccp to fix bob WE NEED TO FIX BOB FOREVER.
40 000 carebears could easily tank all of bobs titans and everything else they have.
ANYONE ELSE HAD ENOUGH?
Fly reckless and take chances..............it's more fun |
Etho Demerzel
Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:12:00 -
[63]
It is time for thus who abused the system to pay. And it is our right to watch the show. =====
"If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs." - CCP kieron... |
Tillmen
Underdog Revolution
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:13:00 -
[64]
Full disclosure on this is mandatory. Now lets really see if the Internal Affairs people are effective in their jobs
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Dr Nefarius
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:13:00 -
[65]
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Hasan Rachid
Madhatters Inc. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:14:00 -
[66]
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:14:00 -
[67]
I think this'll be the only saving grace for my subscriptions tbh.
Improve Market Competition! |
Friedrick Psitalon
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:14:00 -
[68]
Let's avoid the powerblock-partisanship, for the moment.
I'm more concerned about the effect this is going to have on the economy of EVE. If we've had a MASSIVE overstock of t2 components running for four years....
what in the blue blazes is going to happen to the t2 pricing economy now that the faucet is cut off?
Suddenly that "let's create some moon mins that can replace Dyspro/Promethium" economy move that made no sense before looks a little TOO educated and well-timed now... almost as if someone knew the "fake component" faucet was going to be turned off, and they wanted to make sure the market wouldn't go absolutely insane.
.....I'm very much not a conspiracy theorist at heart, but now is the time for some very clear and frank discussion, CCP.
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Grarr Dexx
Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:16:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Friedrick Psitalon Let's avoid the powerblock-partisanship, for the moment.
I'm more concerned about the effect this is going to have on the economy of EVE. If we've had a MASSIVE overstock of t2 components running for four years....
what in the blue blazes is going to happen to the t2 pricing economy now that the faucet is cut off?
Suddenly that "let's create some moon mins that can replace Dyspro/Promethium" economy move that made no sense before looks a little TOO educated and well-timed now... almost as if someone knew the "fake component" faucet was going to be turned off, and they wanted to make sure the market wouldn't go absolutely insane.
.....I'm very much not a conspiracy theorist at heart, but now is the time for some very clear and frank discussion, CCP.
Been thinking the same thing. +1!
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Ben Booley
Ben Booley Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:17:00 -
[70]
This is a potentially far reaching problem, and considering that it has potentially been going on for 4 years, CCP has to disclose exactly what they know. I'm ok with them not naming names, but I'd like to see the extent of the incident.
The NEW M.Corp Data Hub - Check it out! |
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Jeirth
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:17:00 -
[71]
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Tri Repetae
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:17:00 -
[72]
signed |
Prontifex
THE INTERNET.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:18:00 -
[73]
Signed |
Fyde Harkonnen
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:18:00 -
[74]
I feel this issue if handled incorrectly could cost CCP my custom. If it turns out that the exploit was ignored for as long as is being claimed and CCP's super economist couldn't see what was going on, it could well be time to bugger off to another game.
It appears EvE is on a downwards spiral. I truely hope CCP are honest here.
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Nessaji
Rosa Alba Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:18:00 -
[75]
This kind of stuff and need for transparency is what the CSM was founded for. ______________________________________ "Originally by: Tuxford It was a dirty hack to be honest but we couldn't find anyway around it. I hope we never have to do it again."
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Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:19:00 -
[76]
I agree
Name and shame the alliances that were in on this.
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Lasakywa
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:20:00 -
[77]
Good post. We want to know who profit of this bug.
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Grimpak
Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:20:00 -
[78]
crank up the IA department CCP. I wanna see what happened here, in fact. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
ain't that right. |
Ki Tarra
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:21:00 -
[79]
More information is needed from CCP on this issue.
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Tarron Sarek
Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:22:00 -
[80]
It's a strange dilemma.
Either no CCP employee knew about that bug. Then you got to ask yourself why they 'have to play their game so that they know it'. It would mean that no CCP employee really knows the game as much as some (a lot?) of players do. Questionable. Alarming.
Or one or some or even all CCP employees knew about the bug. Well.. in that case.. I mean, it's not allowed to cheat and exploit. Or is it? At least for a selected few?
See what I mean?
Please shed some light on this issue.
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Balance is power, guard hide it well
"Ceterum censeo Polycarbonem esse delendam" |
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Raik'en
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:22:00 -
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Jezala
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:22:00 -
[82]
Time for the CSM to earn their "pay". The CSM was born from all the fallout of the last major dev/exploit/cheat incident. This is where you guys get to prove the worthiness of your existence.
The CSM job in this incident should act as an independent 3rd party to investigate these allegations and the depth & severity of this exploit. If you find yourselves unable to be "independent" enough to maintain credibility to your reports then find and appoint a person or organization that can fulfill the requirements of an independent 3rd party.
You also have to act fast....probably faster than the CSM's "rules" normally allows. At stake here is the CSM's future and the possibility of a 2nd major crisis for CCP.
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ghost st
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:22:00 -
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There actually needs to be punishment this time CCP! This has been going on for years and there is no way in hell that those doing it can play innocent.
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Thynar
Melita Foundation
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:23:00 -
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Macmuelli
Meltd0wn The Black Isle
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:24:00 -
[85]
signed.
a questions:
How many bugreports/ petition within this 4 years about this exploit?
HStt de MSkelb÷rger ierst n Menschen in sin Haart inschlottn, denn kann diese Mensch sich opn Meckelb÷rger full und gonz verlatten."
evefan since 2003
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Neth'Rae
Decorum Inc Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:25:00 -
[86]
This is certainly interesting.. I want to know moar :>
I do Sigs, Banners and other Graphics for ISK. Click Here! |
Kira Star
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:26:00 -
[87]
/Signed.
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Mat rix
Final Destination.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:26:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Mat rix on 10/12/2008 23:26:35 signed
we need to know what went on and who benifited from it
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Verx Interis
Modicus Dementis
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:28:00 -
[89]
Agreed.
This has seriously existed for 4 years? ---- Logins required for this post: 927340 Modicus Dementis is recruiting, join the channel Internet Cafe |
Kuzya Morozov
L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:28:00 -
[90]
Great job again, CCP.
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Trillana
Xenocidal Uprising
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:28:00 -
[91]
A proper investigation of the pervasiveness and net effect of the use of this exploit if very necessary as so many aspect of this game very well may have been affected by its use.
CSM, time to prove you are not just eye candy.
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Yuri VanKaer
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:28:00 -
[92]
Soooo signed. CCP, for everyone here who lost all faith during the T20 fiasco, here's a chance to make things right. Don't blow it this time.
CSM/IA, we're waiting...
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MrYiff
Gallente The Industrial Consortium
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:28:00 -
[93]
/signed
A formal response from CCP would be appreciated to say the least :)
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Floryan Rotbart
Minmatar Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:32:00 -
[94]
signed
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Jack Mancetti
Minmatar Rennfeuer
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:32:00 -
[95]
*signed
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Resivan
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:33:00 -
[96]
I agree with the OP that these issues are not one that CCP can deal with entirely internally, but I do not think it necessary or useful to try and investigate them publicly.
This is exactly the type of thing that the CSM, back when CCP announced it, was intended to deal with. You don't have to go public with names and numbers, but you do need to level with our CSM delegates.
Banning the exploiting players accounts was the essential first step, but the GMs and any other staff who turned a blind eye need to be out the door with them. Satisfy the CSM that you've taken proper action and I'll be satisfied. But at at this point, CCP by itself doesn't have the credibility to just say, "We fixed it," and move on.
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keymaker
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:33:00 -
[97]
signed
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Snowcrow
Minmatar Lyonesse. KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:33:00 -
[98]
Signed
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Camilea
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:33:00 -
[99]
/Signed
I'm still not "in" the T2 economy myself, but I am interested in the outcome of this; esp. if there are internal shennanigans like in the BoB Titan affair...
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Viper ShizzIe
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:35:00 -
[100]
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Takara Rourke
Black Shamrock Pharmaceuticals
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:36:00 -
[101]
Takara Rourke CEO Black Shamrock Pharmaceuticals "We don't do combat, we make your combat better"
Booster FAQ (IGB or OGB) |
Chian XinLian
Darwin's Contraptions
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:38:00 -
[102]
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RicingStar
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:40:00 -
[103]
/signed Live one day at a time. |
Saruel
Order of the Domain Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:40:00 -
[104]
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StallioN SDK1
United Forces Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:40:00 -
[105]
singed
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Recusor
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:42:00 -
[106]
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Zalmoxes
Haita de lupi
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:46:00 -
[107]
signed
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Damien Jax
Industrial Research College Ltd
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:46:00 -
[108]
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Young Buck
StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:46:00 -
[109]
I'm tired of being left in the dark by CCP
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Sgt Napalm
Synergy Evolved Strength in Numbers.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:46:00 -
[110]
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Karentaki
Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:47:00 -
[111]
/signed, but to be honest I don't really care if some people did abuse it for a long time as long as CCP are clearing it up now. At least they aren't denying all knowledge of it, and they have stated that it is fixed and have banned the people responsible (I hope).
But yeah, I think it would be in their interest to have full transparency on this issue.
Quote:
EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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Ferenc Puskas
Vengeance of the Fallen CORPVS DELICTI
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:49:00 -
[112]
./signed
------------------------------- I LOVE TO PARTY HARDY! |
FunzzeR
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:49:00 -
[113]
signed
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adriaans
Ankaa.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:49:00 -
[114]
if this has existed for 4 years i truly want to know how it has effected eve and how eve will be effected by it's (finally about F**** time fix). -sig-
Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr!
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Falaricae
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:51:00 -
[115]
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Eragon Endymion
Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:51:00 -
[116]
signed
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Commander Yassir
The Seven Sins
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:52:00 -
[117]
The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. |
Endless Subversion
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:52:00 -
[118]
What basically amounts to an ISK hack on the tail of the worst patch in EVE history? I'm in!
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Soleramnus
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:52:00 -
[119]
Not as interested in name and shame as I am the economic impact and why it left unaddressed for so long.
I'm fine with keeping the banstick uses in the basement dungeon where no one is watching. Punish in private. I don't care who did it as long as they are gone/can't do it anymore.
But the rest needs to be in the open.
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Nephilim Xeno
Pimebeka Mining Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:53:00 -
[120]
signed
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Marfew Jae
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:53:00 -
[121]
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Lyra Myoisin
Caldari Suicidal Intentions STYX.
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:54:00 -
[122]
[x]signed
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:54:00 -
[123]
Here's the things that I think we should have answers to:
- What is the scale of the exploitation as a crude fraction of the total volume of the relevant markets (high end complex reactions)?
- How many people were involved? What sort of punishments were issued?
- How come the problem lasted so long? What plans does CCP have in place for improving future detection of exploits?
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Javelin6
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Associates
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:55:00 -
[124]
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Ris Dnalor
Ex Cruoris Libertas
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:56:00 -
[125]
signed
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Janu Hull
Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:56:00 -
[126]
Just the economic numbers, that's all... In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:56:00 -
[127]
Edited by: Karlemgne on 10/12/2008 23:57:49 Really? All of you vote yet? Let me be the first to say, who cares, nothing to see here. Go on flying your interweb spaceships and stop demanding to look at the bodies in the morgue.
-Karlemgne
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Evo Mannerheim
Butterfly Effect Corp. The Lorenz Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:58:00 -
[128]
/Signed
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Solomunio Kzenig
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:58:00 -
[129]
So supported, I remember the t20 scandal and this has the potential to be enormously worse, both for CCP and the playerbase. There needs to be a full and frank admission of what happened along with disclousure of how many were involved and thus banned, along with a run down of any assests etc. removed from game as a result of this.
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Amjax
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:58:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Amjax on 10/12/2008 23:58:22 Agreed.
One thing that strikes me though is if the issue was petitioned and that petition was not acted upon, does this mean one or several corrupt GM's?
If that's the case wouldn't it bring all the GM's and their decisions regarding the game into question?
Am only thinking out loud here! Don't bloody ban me ffs!
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:59:00 -
[131]
yep
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Red Katherine
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.12.10 23:59:00 -
[132]
The moment this was revealed it became the most important problem/bug/fix/whatever in EVE.
/signed
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Avalira
Pax Minor Asylum Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:00:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Avalira on 11/12/2008 00:00:05 I would like to know from CCP how long this has been going on and why they didn't fix it earlier.
But that aside, thank you CCP for fixing it! Now we have interesting times ahead
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Its been fixed. All in all its one of the more embarrassing mistakes I made, but it made game design laugh. Now lets never speak of this again.
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Karlen Velro
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:00:00 -
[134]
Edited by: Karlen Velro on 11/12/2008 00:01:15 Edited by: Karlen Velro on 11/12/2008 00:00:48
edit: actually forgot to sign, epic
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Kryztal
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:01:00 -
[135]
name and shame the durty xploiters
- WE ARE BETTER THAN YOU ! -
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Kweel Nakashyn
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:01:00 -
[136]
Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 11/12/2008 00:01:27 -edit- need blood. Fetchez la vache !
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Lawbringer Qtzr
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:02:00 -
[137]
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Mistress Frome
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:02:00 -
[138]
words
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Karbowiak
untaught
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:02:00 -
[139]
++++
LONG LIVE CONCRETE!
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mini moon
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:03:00 -
[140]
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FunGirl
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:04:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Amjax Edited by: Amjax on 10/12/2008 23:58:22 Agreed.
One thing that strikes me though is if the issue was petitioned and that petition was not acted upon, does this mean one or several corrupt GM's?
If that's the case wouldn't it bring all the GM's and their decisions regarding the game into question?
Am only thinking out loud here! Don't bloody ban me ffs!
^^ this.
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Astomichi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:04:00 -
[142]
Might be an actual use for the CSM for once...
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Addel Kwin
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:05:00 -
[143]
/signed
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:05:00 -
[144]
I don't see any reason why they should keep it secret, maybe if CCP provides one we can consider it.
CCP shouldn't go all **** Cheney on us
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Naomi Knight
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:06:00 -
[145]
Purge them all
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Dirk Culliford
H A V O C Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:07:00 -
[146]
Do it now!
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Bobbechk
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:09:00 -
[147]
.
...
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Gorn Sotrizo
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:09:00 -
[148]
I try to make money producing components for t2 ships. To find out that there's an easier way and the devs wont stop it is incorriglible.
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Kateryne
purple pot hogs
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:10:00 -
[149]
signed!
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Tristam Izumi
Izumi Enterprizes
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:10:00 -
[150]
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Djan Amitskaw
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:10:00 -
[151]
Edited by: Djan Amitskaw on 11/12/2008 00:13:46 So much for risk versus reward... |
Suitonia
interimo Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:11:00 -
[152]
Edited by: Suitonia on 11/12/2008 00:11:27 Signed.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:11:00 -
[153]
I'd like more info on the scale and timing of this, too, even if it'd just quash the rumors _____________________
R.I.P Old face |
Bock Shelf
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:13:00 -
[154]
aye
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armas
Minbari Research Institute
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:13:00 -
[155]
signed
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Murixo
CCCP INC
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:16:00 -
[156]
/signed
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:16:00 -
[157]
duh
_ Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Typhena
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:16:00 -
[158]
signed/ --- Sig Under Construction |
Selene Dukat
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:19:00 -
[159]
I strongly agree
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Math'ra Hiede
Quality Assurance Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:20:00 -
[160]
Would like to see this explained and with full acountability.
CSM - looks like you got the tough job
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A Sinner
THE MuPPeT FaCTOrY
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:22:00 -
[161]
let loose the angry mob ----------------------- "There are no ugly women, just men who didn't have enough to drink" |
Molly Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:23:00 -
[162]
Signed
I'd like to see a full list of what was taken offline, where it was, who owned it, who was banned for it and other assets seized in relation.
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:25:00 -
[163]
They'll never do it and even if, it'll be impossible to get a full idea of the enormity. Still, if only to show that they have learned from the past (and keep to their word) I'd like to see some facts.
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Tamper Magnitude
Amphibious Attack Tigers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:28:00 -
[164]
yep, this needs a full explanation.
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Your Dreaming
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:28:00 -
[165]
Edited by: Your Dreaming on 11/12/2008 00:28:23 /signed
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Axearm Thunk'um
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:29:00 -
[166]
aye
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Sorlac
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:29:00 -
[167]
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Darkdood
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:29:00 -
[168]
/signed
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ViperVenom
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:31:00 -
[169]
Edited by: ViperVenom on 11/12/2008 00:31:45 Well.. Many of us wondered why the T2 has been so low now we have a anaswer to what we already knew.. If u do some thing for 4 years and people know about it.. Its hard to call it cheating..More like turning a blind eye. I am glad this got fixxed.. A Time to buy up T2 mins.
And if u think about it.. 4Years.. That Ban would have to be massive Im sure alot of Sov was lost due to that. --Yarring in a system near you--
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Tobin Shalim
Vulcan Foundry OPUS Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:32:00 -
[170]
Transparency is needed, since after this latest pooch-screw (of which you KNOW CCP's buddies BoB benefited like hell from this exploit for 4 YEARS) I, as a paying customer, DEMAND to know everything CCP has data-wise regarding this travesty of the game. The last 4 years mean NOTHING now. -----
Originally by: Haakkon I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved Strength in Numbers.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:33:00 -
[171]
Signed == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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Leigh Goslin
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:34:00 -
[172]
signed
Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes |
Ion Bartzabel
Caldari Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:34:00 -
[173]
signed.
This has made it impossible for regular people to earn isk on moonmining the hard and honest way, by manipulating the market. Tbh, every person who did this should have his character banned, and all isk should be traced and removed. Titans/capital ships founded of this fraud isk should also be confiscated. No wonder big alliances bades in isk.
4 YEARS? Seriously. comeon..
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Kerrigan Brood
Sparta Holdings Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:36:00 -
[174]
/signed
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Jurgen Cartis
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:37:00 -
[175]
I don't care about names. I might want to know just how many got the banstick for this.
I do want to know how long this has been going on for, and ballpark figures for how much stuff came into the T2 economy illegally, and how much of a part of the total T2 economy it was. Considering the allegations of 2.5-3 trillion ISK, compared to the eve economy at 80 trillion last time it was measured (I'd guess 100 now), that's fairly major. -------------------- Originally by: Crumplecorn
I prefer launching bathtubs of antimatter at my opponents over pointing an open DVD player at them, even if the bathtubs do miss a lot. So no.
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Arkale Dark
Violent Solutions.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:39:00 -
[176]
signed.
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Namco
Balls of Steel
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:39:00 -
[177]
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Titus Vulso
Minbari Research Institute
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:40:00 -
[178]
speedboat
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Hermiod
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:41:00 -
[179]
signed
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Kwa Zulu
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:41:00 -
[180]
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Madius
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:43:00 -
[181]
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Acron Ishtal
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:43:00 -
[182]
Signed, for justice.
Operation Reciprocity |
Eve Noir
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:47:00 -
[183]
Witch hunt GOGOGOGOGO!!!
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Zostera
Domination. Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:50:00 -
[184]
Edited by: Zostera on 11/12/2008 00:50:11 A full and transparent account from CCP is needed. Even if players names and alliance names are kept out of the public domain it should be possible to state...
A. The systems and or regions these starbases have been removed from.
B. The number of players banned in association with exploiting starbases in each region.
If indeed major alliances/power blocks are involved, it could shed a whole lot of light on the debates over sovereignty and the difficulties faced by smaller alliances trying to break into 0.0
On the whole a very crappy situation across the board. Especially for the guiltless who will inevitably lose out with a major change in the economy.
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:52:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 10/12/2008 22:16:12
There are allegations of an exploit allowing for the creation of advanced moon materials without the raw materials, in other words making T2 stuff without buying the expensive moon minerals. There are claims that exploitation of this bug was done for 4 years on a massive scale among several of the major powers resulting in trillions of ISK.
CCP has thus far only confirmed the exploits existence.
CCP is being less than forthcoming, perhaps they plan to be, perhaps they don't. Either way, I believe the CSM, our representatives should call for transparency on this issue.
We are talking about the possible fraudulent creation of tens of trillions of ISK worth of T2 materials leading to the rise and decline of supposedly several of the major alliances. This needs to be investigated transparently, and the results published and debated publicly.
Agreed and supported. I've read the allegations from one particular anonymous apparently banned player on SHC - I would appreciate the CSM's input in clearing the air and restoring confidence in the wake of these rumours and uncertainty. I do think its too early to judge and certainly we can't automatically trust anonymous people trumpeting their own wrongdoings - but this is a serious allegation and we do need it investigated and this was certainly one of the jobs that the CSM was invented to do.
ISSUE - Bring back live events |
Cpt Lollercakes
Warriors of COAD
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:52:00 -
[186]
Edited by: Cpt Lollercakes on 11/12/2008 00:53:07 The 4 big power blocks always appeared to have absurd amounts of isk for supercaps - the same supercaps with which they have taken and defended space.
Should it transpire that the scale of this exploit is as astronomical (4 years and and literally thousands of trillions of isk) then there is clearly only one solution, that every alliance that has exploited this be removed of every single control tower after tomorrows downtime. Start again and see how it works out without the support of an exploit.
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thedudelebowski
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:53:00 -
[187]
/signed
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Tyremis
R.U.S.T. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:54:00 -
[188]
Edited by: Tyremis on 11/12/2008 00:53:53 get out the torches and pitchforks and beer...settle in its gonna be a long one.
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NookiEPoring
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:54:00 -
[189]
Edited by: NookiEPoring on 11/12/2008 00:54:10
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Pant Alones
Surge. Red Box.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:55:00 -
[190]
rocking the vote. ------------------------
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Wilson Klime
Caldari Naval Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:55:00 -
[191]
Signed
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Captain Tavius
Picon Fleet New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:55:00 -
[192]
Indeed.
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Comstr
Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:57:00 -
[193]
Ok, CCP, the CSM's were set up excatly for this sort of thing.
The public needs to know. You have a chance to make up for the previous fiasco- don't let this chance to come clean go.
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hakkiew365
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:57:00 -
[194]
Signed Cheers and fly safe |
Angharad Aerten
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Posted - 2008.12.11 00:58:00 -
[195]
signed
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Shade Millith
International House of PWNCakes B.L.A.C.K.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:01:00 -
[196]
Very much signed
To CCP, we want to know what's going on.
You keep claiming that CCP has nothing to do with it, that it's all speculation. Well people will keep thinking you had a hand in it unless you tell us whats happening.
Tell us whats happened exactly. Or did you forget about T20?
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Jordan Musgrat
H A V O C Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:01:00 -
[197]
ya -----------
Primary is family values, secondary is 0.0... |
Popperr
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:01:00 -
[198]
yes yes!! dance and squirm
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MrRookie
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:02:00 -
[199]
Signed Sig removed. Please email us at [email protected] if you would like to know why. -Conuion Meow
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Jimmy 4chan
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:02:00 -
[200]
signed.
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cockledoodle doo
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:03:00 -
[201]
signed
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TooNu
State Protectorate Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:04:00 -
[202]
Signed. Real honest answers please.
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Saizol Zjupkech
Strategic Restructuring
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:04:00 -
[203]
Onward to the castle!
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Haydee Onna
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:06:00 -
[204]
signed
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TYCONDEROGA
Amarr Malum Crusis IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:06:00 -
[205]
I'm onboard for a good lynchin' He who defends Everything, Defends Nothing! |
Reeban Starstrider
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:06:00 -
[206]
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Kuar Z'thain
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:07:00 -
[207]
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente Universe At War
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:07:00 -
[208]
Can I have a piece of the hemp ?
I could sell it to Entity for zillions in a year
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Flaming Lemming
Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:08:00 -
[209]
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Trypho
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:12:00 -
[210]
---
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Rebel16
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:12:00 -
[211]
This is a chance for CCP to step up and gain a lot of respect from many of their player base.
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Fesken Rans
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:13:00 -
[212]
/signed.
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Fruchten
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:13:00 -
[213]
signed
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LoneRider
Com-Star
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:14:00 -
[214]
signed.
these guys were able to play the game for years without paying anything - neither money nor time. Just exploiting. Most of us either pay money or game time (isk) to run the account(s), so we deserve names and numbers.
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Arasul
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:14:00 -
[215]
please.
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Krismata
Gallente Legion of Ascension
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:14:00 -
[216]
signed. :: Legion Of Ascension ::
PVE - Low-Sec Mining - FUN! |
BlueTest2
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:15:00 -
[217]
signed
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Das UBoatMan
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:16:00 -
[218]
The last time major cheating occurred CCP said they would be more forthright with the information and resolution. Have they done so now. It appears they have not. >:( or maybe they just need more time. >:( Or maybe the devs are in on it again. >:(
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Naridos
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:17:00 -
[219]
/signed
Quote: You Know you play too much Eve when you get into a car crash and you run away as fast as you can so that you don't get podded.
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GateScout
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:20:00 -
[220]
/signed
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Benilopax
Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:22:00 -
[221]
I would appreciate full info from CCP before I make a decison on this subject.
So signed.
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Inturist
Soviet Force Soviet Mercenary
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:22:00 -
[222]
signed --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Dark Sensei
Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:23:00 -
[223]
Edited by: Dark Sensei on 11/12/2008 01:23:03 Own up, apologise to your userbase, tell us where you went wrong, and tell us why it won't happen again.
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evePreD
Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:26:00 -
[224]
signed
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Triladir
Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:26:00 -
[225]
Name and shame...
I'm betting the smart ones did it on alts... Investigate the alts and see who they were regualrly receiving money to and from...
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Niraia
Zaratha Zarati
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:28:00 -
[226]
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Cyrus Ageis
Cohort One
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:29:00 -
[227]
Signed.
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Andre Marconius
House Of Troy
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:30:00 -
[228]
/signed
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Duskadantor
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:30:00 -
[229]
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Slade Trillgon
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:30:00 -
[230]
Thumbs up is all I have to say.
Slade
Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine.
≡v≡ |
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Miss Brunette
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:32:00 -
[231]
Edited by: Miss Brunette on 11/12/2008 01:32:53
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:33:00 -
[232]
burn them out!
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stadshage
Monkey Universe Corporation Monkey Religion
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:33:00 -
[233]
yup ccp sould make all investigation open
also think csm sould be alowd in on the talks on what is going to de done to clean this god onholy ....... this is gone be
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Rhaegor Stormborn
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:36:00 -
[234]
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Nouva MacGyver
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:37:00 -
[235]
Signed.
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Tyffanny
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:39:00 -
[236]
Signed
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Cmndr Griff
Opinicus Operations Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:40:00 -
[237]
Tell me more tell me more! Where do ideas like these come from? Monkeys in hats? |
mamolian
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:42:00 -
[238]
I would love to hear whos been profiting from this.. Name names.. and smash ****ing faces. -----------
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Qui Janador
Black Serpent Technologies Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:42:00 -
[239]
There is no reason NOT to sign this.
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain ITS ON THEE FOERUMS SO ITS MOEST BE TROE?
Pure. Win. |
Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:43:00 -
[240]
Many players are seriously looking at you right now for some of that advertised "transparency" that you claim to provide, CCP.
Or, will you simply lock or "misplace" this thread too?
There needs to be a lot of permanent account bans, and you also need to be very public about *all* of this CCP.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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Saju Somtaaw
Department of Defence
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:45:00 -
[241]
supported ---- --- --- Devs Sign Here; GMs and ISD welcome to :) |
Rin Ji
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:45:00 -
[242]
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Wladeck
Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:46:00 -
[243]
I support . .
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Tellnan Matkiel
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:48:00 -
[244]
Supported, but I would rather the information be delayed a day or two so that it is accurate, rather than be hasty and mistaken.
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Vire Amarr
Kernel of War Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:49:00 -
[245]
Signed
Co-CEO Kernel Of War Vire Amarr Capital Inc Kernel Of War >> Faites face a votre avenir
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:49:00 -
[246]
Supported Fully |
Nezdeuce
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:49:00 -
[247]
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LxTrigo
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:50:00 -
[248]
Edited by: LxTrigo on 11/12/2008 01:54:26 Signed.
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sg3s
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:53:00 -
[249]
It's about time I put something sensible in here, but I couldn't really come up with something so you'l have to do with this. Are you like really bored, or did you not notice this is my sig? |
Kauschovar
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:54:00 -
[250]
I sincerely hope that ALL those involved will get permabanned together with their alts and all their (in-game) possessions annihilated ... even if it does change the EVE political landscape which I think it will as it should. These people were mostly playing for free anyways by buying GTCs with their ammassed ISK, so it will be a good riddance from every possible perspective.
Anything less would be a gigantic slap in the face for all those that have worked hard in the past 4 years just to get a little bit ahead whilst others have ammassed BPOs and every other possible thing that has any worth in EVE just by exploiting a bug.
This will be a very important test for CCP to give EVE it's credibility back. This is not Currin Tradin or EIB ... this is 'knowingly' exploiting a bug that allows one to create somethign out of nothing (rather than steal or scam or whatever from another player). There are no excuses, no ifs and buts, and as a result there should be no mercy, and no leniency!
I just hope that all of the CSM member are 'clean', which would be my only assurance that this will have the consequences that it should.
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Marcus Neem
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:57:00 -
[251]
Please let the many suns shine in.
Names need to be publicly named.
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Green Cobra
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Posted - 2008.12.11 01:59:00 -
[252]
Signed |
Kahrek Laume
Infusion.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:02:00 -
[253]
Yup name, shame & spank.
This scale of abuse (If true) would definatly be one that has significantly influenced the game on a huge scale allowing for near limitless resources to certain power blocks, i think the usual hush hush & secrecy behind bugs, abuse & punishment needs to be lifted in this case.
Regards,
Kahrek Laume.
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Ivan Svyatoslav
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:02:00 -
[254]
Edited by: Ivan Svyatoslav on 11/12/2008 02:03:22 Signed |
StoreSlem
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:03:00 -
[255]
support
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Talsha Talamar
Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:04:00 -
[256]
Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 11/12/2008 02:04:38 Supported.
If even partly true:
Disclose, Seize and Destroy
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Calruthian
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:06:00 -
[257]
signed.
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Small fries
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:07:00 -
[258]
signed
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TheStonedMan
Knights of the Old Empire Warp to Desktop
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:08:00 -
[259]
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Nilian Test3
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:10:00 -
[260]
I demand full disclosure on this topic!
If there were no major alliance issues after the penalties were handed out this would in my own mind demonstrate CCP's failure for a IA policy!
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Biggs Montague
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:10:00 -
[261]
yep
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Bromboor
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:11:00 -
[262]
I'd like to see something happen on this as well, although I doubt they will do anything.
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Stikato
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:12:00 -
[263]
Yes.
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Lief Siddhe
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:18:00 -
[264]
name and shame would be in order to everybody else in EVE --- Beneath all of our differences there's a single bond between every living Gallentean that makes us hard as diamond: a love of freedom. |
R0ze
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:18:00 -
[265]
Signed
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Stromgren
Amarr Eye of God Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:19:00 -
[266]
/signed
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Fuddyduddy
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:20:00 -
[267]
Edited by: Fuddyduddy on 11/12/2008 02:21:21 Edited by: Fuddyduddy on 11/12/2008 02:21:02 /signed.
I, personally, don't care if names are given, but I think a total of accounts banned and isk taken would help put this into more perspective. As far as the market impact, we will see that once it stabilizes from this mess. I didn't have the pleasure of being around for the last CCP fiasco, but hopefully they are willing to be completely open with the playerbase. I end this leaving them with the benefit of the doubt. We'll see how well placed my trust ends up being.
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Falcon Troy
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:22:00 -
[268]
_____________ Hai. |
Daan Sai
Polytrope
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:24:00 -
[269]
We definitely need to get a full and open report, including what if anything happened to the alleged petition in 2004. Also I assume this affected *all* T2 materials, the original story mentioned ferrogel and fermion condensates, but implied that any T2 material worked. We need full diclosure on the economic impact as well.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:24:00 -
[270]
/signed.
***
Now what the frack happened?
The best I can gather was there was/is an exploit with moon mining. That this exploit was used by several individuals and three of the most powerful alliances in-game (I can think of one which is not unknown to controversy).
I want to know the extent of the damage. Will this cause Tech-II prices to skyrocket? Will tech-II manufacturing become even more viable than it is now? What are the pros/cons?
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anna8442
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:28:00 -
[271]
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Dragonz Fire
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:28:00 -
[272]
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Xeumai
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:28:00 -
[273]
/signed
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bankbankbank
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:28:00 -
[274]
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mishkof
Caldari Dirty Denizens
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:32:00 -
[275]
Congrats to the guy that made but loads of ISK, but signed none the less.
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Dathremar
The Maverick Navy Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:34:00 -
[276]
Agreed.
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Bextalol
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:35:00 -
[277]
signed... sorry to mention other evils but Blizzard wouldn't have a bar of it let alone most other mmo's -> permaban ftw for anyone involved.
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Carnun Blodeuwedd
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:36:00 -
[278]
Edited by: Carnun Blodeuwedd on 11/12/2008 02:36:01 We deserve to know the true extent of the use of this exploit.
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Myrkala
Aurora Acclivitous
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:36:00 -
[279]
I support, and I hope we will find out that this is a hoax.
Hopefully, merely a prankster posting news that coincide with CCP announcment. :| "Ruppie ain't no puppie." |
Squash Face
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:36:00 -
[280]
SIGNED!"!!!!"!"!" WE NEED ANSWERS!!!!!!!
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Zxmagus
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:40:00 -
[281]
hell yes i wanna know who has been abusing this system.
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Tsabrock
Circle of Friends
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:41:00 -
[282]
Signed --- AMD 64 4400+ X2 (Dual-Core) 4GB Corsair XMS Memory (2336) ASUS A8N-SLI Premium (1.09 Bios) GeForce 7800GTX 256 Megs; eVGA brand Windows XP Pro and Vista Ultimate 64-bit (Dual-Boot) |
Angel Scott
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:46:00 -
[283]
Signed
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Vuk Lau
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:55:00 -
[284]
I will fully support and pursue further investigation following this and any other exploit.
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Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:57:00 -
[285]
Originally by: mishkof Congrats to the guy that made but loads of ISK, but signed none the less.
And since CCP hasn't named any names, how exactly would you know this? Oh, that's right its pure conjecture.
Do we really need anymore proof that this is a lynch mob?
I don't think so. So you win eve for the day.
-K
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Karlemgne
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2008.12.11 02:58:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Vuk Lau I will fully support and pursue further investigation following this and any other exploit.
Yeah! The CSM supports it. We're saved!
Who has the pitch forks? We have to remember to bring fire, and ropes. Lots of ropes.
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Amarria Drezine
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:03:00 -
[287]
/signed
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Yunii
Gallente Black Serpent Technologies Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:04:00 -
[288]
/signed..
Lets not have another T20 case, mmmkay? ------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Arkanon I think this thread also illustrates perfectly that we neither censor nor do we try to silence our customers. |
mishkof
Caldari Dirty Denizens
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:06:00 -
[289]
Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: mishkof Congrats to the guy that made but loads of ISK, but signed none the less.
And since CCP hasn't named any names, how exactly would you know this? Oh, that's right its pure conjecture.
Do we really need anymore proof that this is a lynch mob?
I don't think so. So you win eve for the day.
-K
Relax buddy, it is obvious at least one person made money off this. I dont need details on anyone(s) individual wallet necesarily, although some explanation of the broader economic impacts would be nice though. Of course a Jerry Springer like skit with the tale of a thousand broken hearts would go good with my corn flakes tomorrow morning. So I will see what they come up with.
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GeneralNukeEm
Free Collective Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:07:00 -
[290]
You'd think you wouldn't need a massive petition for this, but this is CCP we're talking about here... >.>
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leboe
Dark Star Cartel
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:11:00 -
[291]
signing
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Hakaru Ishikawa
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:13:00 -
[292]
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Aura Seng
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:13:00 -
[293]
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hawat92
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:20:00 -
[294]
An exhaustive report of involved characters, corporations and Poses should be made public as well as amounts exploited. Same for banned characters.
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LvxAeterna
The Greater Goon
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:20:00 -
[295]
Signed
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Gabrialle
Amarr Sanctuary Logistical Industries Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:26:00 -
[296]
just some solid information regarding time, isk and number of banned accs.
No real need for names etc. (though how many from each alliance might be an interesting statistic)
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Sir Scorpion
Black Banners
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:33:00 -
[297]
agree
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:33:00 -
[298]
Originally by: Comstr Edited by: Comstr on 11/12/2008 01:14:47 Ok, CCP, the CSM's were set up excatly for this sort of thing.
The public needs to know. You have a chance to make up for the previous fiasco- don't let this chance to come clean go.
I can't begin to guess what the CSM can do but I have started a thread with the current CSM about our reaction and a call to consider what we might do to represent the pilots of Eve in helping understand the extent of the exploit and the actual CCP response once it was reveiled.
That said, someone once gave me a quote that went something like "Never assume an act to be maliciousness when stupidity is a possibility". I expect I mangled the quote but I think the sentiment is valid. Let's not assume that all of CCP is bed with a certain set of big alliances when this could have been a simple oversite, a break down in process or if a deliberate act, that of a one or a small number of individuals.
So for now, let's put away boiling oil and pitchforks and hope that CCP can provide whatever information required to let the pilots of Eve feel comfortable that their concerns are being addressed.
As for the CSM, I can assure you everyone in the CSM wants a fair Eve for all and if there is anything we can do to help put this situation to rest we will.
Issler
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rValdez5987
32nd Amarrian Imperial Navy Regiment.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:34:00 -
[299]
I support this motion
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Aya Nami
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:34:00 -
[300]
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Koronakesh
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:37:00 -
[301]
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Becka Call
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:37:00 -
[302]
Wasn't the CSM created to prevent and deal with these types of situations? If ccp doesn't give a full, all the dirty deteails, account names, alliances, amounts etc. briefing to the whole CSM. If they don't brief them, the CSM should come forward and tell us that CCP won't talk to them about it. Then they should bring it up at every official and unofficial communication with CCP.
If ccp still doesn't come clean thats proof that the CSM is purely a PR stunt and does nothing.
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Fung Ku
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:40:00 -
[303]
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Optical Illusion
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:40:00 -
[304]
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Imperian
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:42:00 -
[305]
+1
RAWR |
Mungaloid
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:43:00 -
[306]
Yes....
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Avalira
Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:50:00 -
[307]
I know what happened"
Player > Hey CCP I discovered a bug Bug Filter Guy > Thanks * a few hours later Bug Filter Guy is seen deploying POS's with his main *
/tinfoil hat
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Its been fixed. All in all its one of the more embarrassing mistakes I made, but it made game design laugh. Now lets never speak of this again.
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Barkaial Starfinder
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:53:00 -
[308]
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:54:00 -
[309]
CCP doesnt know what to do because the exploit hasnt just tainted much of the game - much of the current game is build off of the exploit.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Ti'anna
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Posted - 2008.12.11 03:54:00 -
[310]
Signed! With the addition of a suggestion to appease the community...100 million isk on Christmas day to every account that is active and has been active since dec 24th 2007! ( I could be real limiting and only include characters as old as myself;-) )
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Julianus Soter
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:05:00 -
[311]
/signed --- This post is not the official statement of my alliance or corporation.
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Mou'adib
Fluffy Rabbit Killers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:11:00 -
[312]
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:13:00 -
[313]
support, even though its likely CCP will just shut the door even to the CSM regarding the issue.
If they do, well, its going to be much worse. Damned if they did, damned if they didnt.
Sound familiar CCP? -
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Rommel Cervantis
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:13:00 -
[314]
.Signed
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:16:00 -
[315]
well, I support this (as I'm sure most of the CSM do). ----------------------
My Blog |
The Jackhammer
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:16:00 -
[316]
I've totally been in the dark about whats going on ... then i came across this post in my forum lurking ...
http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?t=21936
Thank-You,
The Jackhammer
Banners and Signatures by: Kalen Vox
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cirus670
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:18:00 -
[317]
"We are here for our fun, not yours". |
Garrick Packard
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:23:00 -
[318]
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MaDcRaZy
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:24:00 -
[319]
*signed*... CCP needs to put their game face on and come forward with the truth. Remember the truth shall set you free!
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Isil Rahsen
IsilZheHa Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:26:00 -
[320]
/signed
The logs damn well better show something.
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:34:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 10/12/2008 22:16:12
CCP is being less than forthcoming, perhaps they plan to be, perhaps they don't. Either way, I believe the CSM, our representatives should call for transparency on this issue.
Fixed that for you....
AK Honor is that which you do when no one else is looking.
Ethics, Honor and Respect. Without the first two, you can't buy the last one...
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Dr Keane
Jita Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:38:00 -
[322]
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Sevarus James
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:40:00 -
[323]
Ubuntu 3d Beryl-Linux Desktop+EVE |
IlluminatedOne
Tycho Brahe Fan Club
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:43:00 -
[324]
Signed.
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Ancis Calaudi
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:48:00 -
[325]
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Rassad
Interstellar eXodus Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:50:00 -
[326]
Edited by: Rassad on 11/12/2008 04:50:27 CCP fail, yet again.
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Rassad2
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:54:00 -
[327]
heh
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Rockstara
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Posted - 2008.12.11 04:56:00 -
[328]
above all else the game must be fair - action must be taken to return balance.
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JuneaBug
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:04:00 -
[329]
singed
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glas mir
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:05:00 -
[330]
how to reset the whole game???
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Sehpora
eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:08:00 -
[331]
signed
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Vikarion
White Rose Society
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:11:00 -
[332]
- The guilty parties should be identified. - Any involved devs should be fired (though I doubt any are) - Any alliances funded by this should be debited an appropriate amount, by removal of ships, isk, structures, and modules. -Those exploiting should be temporarily or permanently banned, based on the severity of their offense.
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Ash Vincetti
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:16:00 -
[333]
First, This needs to be addressed by the CSM to CCP. It's what the CSM is there for, and this is your opportunity to show us the system works, and is not just one massive PR stunt without any real teeth.
Second, CCP is going to claim their privacy policy preventing them from releasing account details.
That's fine. I don't care about the names, addresses and credit card numbers that are legally protected by the privacy policies and legal "coveryourbut" of ccp.
What I am interested in knowing, however, is how many towers, belonging to how many alliances, for how long, what their economic impact has been, and what steps are being taken to fix the problem.
I will say one more thing.
"Removing the assets from the players that cheated" is not enough. Having a banned account have a -400,000,000,000 isk balance does nothing to fix the problem. They still had a massive advantage over the rest of the playerbase, affected the market, and destabilized the economy. Simply removing "$X" isk is not a solution.
So the second thing I want to know, is how is CCP addressing the current situation and how do they plan to maintain the health of the Eve Economy after this. -----
free bree! |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:19:00 -
[334]
Well, this is obviously a very important issue to you guys. If we can, I will try to make sure it is raised.
But I don't want to promise anything. CCP doesn't discuss exploits at all. Nobody could discuss the damage without telling what the actual exploit is and things like that. So it seems really unlikely to me.
We should try however.
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Jesum
Crimson Pact
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:48:00 -
[335]
____________ [-..-] Jesum |
Karazack
The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:49:00 -
[336]
Now this is something where the CSM can actually show what it is worth and do what it is meant to do, something different then discussing musical instruments in ambulation
If the CSM does not get to investigate this matter on behalf of the players it is only a farce/marketing trick and should be dissolved as it serves no real purpose imho.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:51:00 -
[337]
Do eeet
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Saint Tetrimon
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Posted - 2008.12.11 05:51:00 -
[338]
Edited by: Saint Tetrimon on 11/12/2008 05:55:42 Edited by: Saint Tetrimon on 11/12/2008 05:51:21 What i would like to know:
1) How many titans and cap fleets were bought with this isk printing press?
2) How much in assets were actually seized?
3) What percentage of the moon minerals market was this?
If the posts on SHC are to be believed, whole alliances could have been financed using this.
edit for thumbs up.
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Shadowsword
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:00:00 -
[339]
/signed. ------------------------------------------
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DelboyTrotter
Trotters Independent Trading
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:02:00 -
[340]
o/
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:16:00 -
[341]
No! Those fortune enough to find this and use this should be left alone. It's not their fault that game is bugged.
This is like case in AoC was launched and I got myself pre-order collections copy. Few days later I found way to make "tons of gold". I got myself 10k gold at level 21 and was soon banned. WTF? I mean I found it legit and I don't PAY to BETA TEST. If company behind game makes frack ups and forces CUSTOMERS to pay for it .. time to pack up and leave.
I say that every exploit and bug found SHALL be done so and SHOULD be done without fear of punishment.
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Lakut
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:24:00 -
[342]
Signed. Most importantly, the issue is that this is already my signature. ---------- You get a wonderful view from the point of no return. |
Katini Ellegahn
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:25:00 -
[343]
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Tesal
Red Frog Investments Blue Sky Consortium
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:27:00 -
[344]
signed
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Gane Green
Dominus Imperium
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:28:00 -
[345]
Needs to happen ASAP. If God was a number he would be over 9,000!!!!!!!!! |
Miasia
Konstrukteure der Zukunft DOMINION.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:35:00 -
[346]
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JAK480
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:46:00 -
[347]
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Syn Exec
Synergy Evolved
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Posted - 2008.12.11 06:48:00 -
[348]
/signed
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attitude man
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:12:00 -
[349]
signed
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Jonathan Priest
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:12:00 -
[350]
signed |
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Invendi
Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:13:00 -
[351]
A day that shall live in infamy...
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:23:00 -
[352]
I'd so love to see list of ppl banned and assets seized, it should be epic _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button. |
freshjiive
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:25:00 -
[353]
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Napro
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:26:00 -
[354]
Ill be perfectly content if the alliances/corps using this exploit have their entire wallets seized
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Fuzuli
Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:26:00 -
[355]
Signed.
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Flawliss
Pilots of True Potential
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:31:00 -
[356]
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Kyle Cataclysm
Blue.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:33:00 -
[357]
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Del Girl
Shade. Penumbra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:34:00 -
[358]
Nothing less than full discolsure from CCP when they know the facts will be acceptable.
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StainLessStealRat
Firman AB 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:36:00 -
[359]
Time to hire the oh so needed public relations DEV
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BlondieBC
Ardent Industrial Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:36:00 -
[360]
Need detailed accounting, number of people banned, titans banned, etc.
We also need economic letter fast to explain impact.
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Venkul Mul
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:39:00 -
[361]
A good disclosure of data about who used it and the extent of damage is important.
But most people simply want a witch burning and have already decide who is the culprit: BOB/CCP/Goons/RED alliance (and that is why it has broken)/that guy with a lot of isk/ecc.
I hope calmer heads will prevail.
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General Kronus
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:39:00 -
[362]
All guilty parties should be stripped of all properties, be podded to noob status and all clones destroyed. Enjoy that ibis.
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Dal Deinvisu
Ventis Secundis Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:39:00 -
[363]
X
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Franga
Gristle Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:41:00 -
[364]
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Markus De'Helude
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:46:00 -
[365]
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Delta Kiri
Delta Innovative Tech and Cat House
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:52:00 -
[366]
Edited by: Delta Kiri on 11/12/2008 07:52:21 Maybe if they see 100 page thread they'll do it.
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Titos Polo
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 07:53:00 -
[367]
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:04:00 -
[368]
Giving thumbs up for transparency here.
They gave the extent of the damage with the t20 incident but then again, was that all he did or just what they caught him doing?
I'm not sure that CCP can keep track of the history of the exploit. How long has alliance history been in the game? How long do CCP keep records of POS anchorings and exactly how many versions are of the bug?
What is worse for CCP, telling us that they have no clue to how much was exploited or not saying anything? --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Philip Orbell
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:06:00 -
[369]
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Karanth
Independent Fleet Space Exploration and Logistic Services
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:07:00 -
[370]
Wheel of Whineage |
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Arous Drephius
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:09:00 -
[371]
Signed.
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Je'Nann
Cythraul Gyrru
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:13:00 -
[372]
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Ankhesentapemkah
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:15:00 -
[373]
I agree that an investigation is in order, and I hope the CSM can help on the transparancy end. Of course we have to keep in mind that CCP is not eager to discuss exploit details, but we will do what we can!
Please do not jump to any conclusions right now, we do not know the extent to which this was exploited and it is not a good idea to make assumptions or trust heresay and rumours at this point. Of course I support CSM escalation on this delicate subject. ---
NEW MOVIE! CSM Campaign Thread |
Hamarkon Isloan
Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:16:00 -
[374]
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Nadine Kiri
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:17:00 -
[375]
Yes
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Caldan Tarus
SolaR KillerS
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:33:00 -
[376]
Pretty much signed - lol 4 years
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Jaana Brill
Frequent Flyers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:37:00 -
[377]
signed
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Meuchelmorder
C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:39:00 -
[378]
Signed
Originally by: Zhulik I thought Premium graphics were supposed to fix that bug where people were trying to salvage Minmatar ships.
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Merindan
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:39:00 -
[379]
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Gone'Postal
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:40:00 -
[380]
I wants answers dammit..
Devs and there RL backhanders....
Boost SISI VOTE NOW! |
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Rock'n'Roll Lady
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:45:00 -
[381]
Edited by: Rock''n''Roll Lady on 11/12/2008 08:45:17 signed, get them all
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Kovid
Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:46:00 -
[382]
Name the offenders.
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Miep Miep
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:50:00 -
[383]
Name em ban em remove the ****ing isk they earned from game.
so i lost billions of isk for doing real reactions to those who exploited. f.u.c.k i want to see heads rolling enmasse
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Plejad
Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.12.11 08:59:00 -
[384]
Signed Plej... |
Zhora Six
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:03:00 -
[385]
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Chssmius
Capital Support
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:05:00 -
[386]
A vote for transparency.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:06:00 -
[387]
Well. First of all, I kicked off this process. Please understand that CCP does not want to discuss exploits under any circumstances, not even with the CSM.
However, I have pushed for CCP to work with us on resolving any issues the community might have, together with us. It's beneficial to everybody, so it's worth doing.
I will however have to ask everybody to manage their expectations. Please don't expect anything. CCP's stance is clear at this point. We might be able to work something out with them so we can make more people happy.
Any direct information, names, numbers of titan and what not people have requested, I will personally be VERY MUCH against that CCP discloses. It's unreasonable to expect and it will *NOT* help anything to the situation. It will only serve the people who wants to create drama in the forum.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:11:00 -
[388]
Originally by: LaVista Vista Well. First of all, I kicked off this process. Please understand that CCP does not want to discuss exploits under any circumstances, not even with the CSM.
However, I have pushed for CCP to work with us on resolving any issues the community might have, together with us. It's beneficial to everybody, so it's worth doing.
I will however have to ask everybody to manage their expectations. Please don't expect anything. CCP's stance is clear at this point. We might be able to work something out with them so we can make more people happy.
Any direct information, names, numbers of titan and what not people have requested, I will personally be VERY MUCH against that CCP discloses. It's unreasonable to expect and it will *NOT* help anything to the situation. It will only serve the people who wants to create drama in the forum.
Good work LaVista. You deserved your second term indeed.
CCP would immediately dive for their "non-disclosure of account holder information" line in their EULA anyway, so its highly suspect they'll even think of releasing objective information as to who/what/how many benefitted from the exploit. -
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RedClaws
Dragon's Rage KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:15:00 -
[389]
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rolland deschain
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:21:00 -
[390]
I'm surprised the thread is still working and not experiencing technical difficulties as when they announced they just figured out ghost training existed and decided to remove it, but yet again not as many care about this compared to that as was evident on the hundreds of pages of responses. In the end don't depend on CCP to help you in any way, shape or form so you're better off just taking advantage of what you can. It's not like they haven't helped their friends or anyone in-game before right? *cough* Band of Brothers *Ahem* Why bother if CCP acts innocent like this, they obviously aren't trying hard to come forth with everything if it took over 4 years to find just this exploit.
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Mr John22ta
Underworld Protection Agency
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:21:00 -
[391]
This really needs to be looked at, and a full report on the extent of the damage to the game in general needs to be published.
This bring up way to many questions to ask, and it's important that CCP is seen to do the correct thing, and come clean.
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Kwint Sommer
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:25:00 -
[392]
Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 11/12/2008 09:25:18
Originally by: LaVista Vista Well. First of all, I kicked off this process. Please understand that CCP does not want to discuss exploits under any circumstances, not even with the CSM.
However, I have pushed for CCP to work with us on resolving any issues the community might have, together with us. It's beneficial to everybody, so it's worth doing.
I will however have to ask everybody to manage their expectations. Please don't expect anything. CCP's stance is clear at this point. We might be able to work something out with them so we can make more people happy.
Any direct information, names, numbers of titan and what not people have requested, I will personally be VERY MUCH against that CCP discloses. It's unreasonable to expect and it will *NOT* help anything to the situation. It will only serve the people who wants to create drama in the forum.
I appreciate the fact that CCP is reluctant to give details about specific characters/accounts and in reality cannot say which Titans and Outposts were built with ISK from the exploit. However, there needs to be a thorough investigation of the scope and range of the exploits abuse.
We need to know if this was a multi-year, multi-trillion ISK disaster and if so we need to know what level of involvement each alliance had and what actions are being taken against them. Without that being a completely transparent process we will never see the end of favoritism accusations and rightfully so. To this day alliances and CCP are demonized over what may have been the comparatively trivial T20 incident. Unless CCP wants to see that x20 they need to make the investigation of this exploit and its consequences transparent to at least the CSM and to a lesser extent, the public.
I hope this exploit was never widely used and has had a trivial impact but if it is anything near what the accusations claim it is then we need a full and transparent investigation. I know that is not CCP's policy to do such things publicly but this situation is utterly without precedent and should be treated accordingly. This exploit may well have reshaped 0.0 and something of that magnitude cannot be dealt with quietly behind closed doors.
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Babbette
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:27:00 -
[393]
CCP needs to fill in the details or the tinfoilers will do it for them.
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Magmus Fieldgore
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:32:00 -
[394]
Signed ... I wanna know who has been doing this
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Elicetian
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:36:00 -
[395]
Edited by: Elicetian on 11/12/2008 09:36:32 Signed
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Yaar Podshipnik
Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:40:00 -
[396]
Signed.
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Baske
Space-Bar
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:43:00 -
[397]
Signed
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dookes
Gallente THE BLACK RAGE
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:45:00 -
[398]
Signed.
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Kal'Kalagan
Aggressive Tendencies Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:45:00 -
[399]
Signed!
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:46:00 -
[400]
Originally by: LaVista Vista Well. First of all, I kicked off this process. Please understand that CCP does not want to discuss exploits under any circumstances, not even with the CSM.
However, I have pushed for CCP to work with us on resolving any issues the community might have, together with us. It's beneficial to everybody, so it's worth doing.
I will however have to ask everybody to manage their expectations. Please don't expect anything. CCP's stance is clear at this point. We might be able to work something out with them so we can make more people happy.
Any direct information, names, numbers of titan and what not people have requested, I will personally be VERY MUCH against that CCP discloses. It's unreasonable to expect and it will *NOT* help anything to the situation. It will only serve the people who wants to create drama in the forum.
While I do agree with you LaVista, I really do, This ****up of deathstar size has effected everyone (if i'm reading the issue right) ingame thats ever paid for a T2 mod or ship? and yes CCP's stance is we don't talk about hacksploits but after the T20 deal CCP made the IA dept.. 4 years (they even petitioned it which was just closed IIRC)of the same bug, its just too hard to even think this was not noticed//covered up by Devs. TBH even with CCPs rules, I think the playerbase as a whole deserves a full rundown of events.
Boost SISI VOTE NOW! |
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Ekil Ix
Omega Wing R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:47:00 -
[401]
I demands to know
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Raist Varis
Sensus Numinis The Black Isle
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:48:00 -
[402]
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Carmine Morgan
The Chaotic Order Void.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:48:00 -
[403]
Edited by: Carmine Morgan on 11/12/2008 09:48:33 Signed
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sturmi
Liga Freier Terraner G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:50:00 -
[404]
Signed! Look on our Killboard: LFT Killboard |
3rr0rc0d3
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:51:00 -
[405]
Signed. ______________________
Originally by: CCP SessionChange tbh guys, you're all slaves to me...
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rusKGB
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:52:00 -
[406]
Signed!
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Schwarzlicht
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:54:00 -
[407]
Signed!
CCP, prove to us that we can trust you.
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davcin
davcin Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:56:00 -
[408]
signed!
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Soyseki Desu
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:56:00 -
[409]
+1
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Kronooo
Rastana CMP Motivated and Determined
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:57:00 -
[410]
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SanTechnic
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:57:00 -
[411]
yes.
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Jean Dessaut
DEATHFUNK Doctrine.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:59:00 -
[412]
signed
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ceaon
Porandor
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Posted - 2008.12.11 09:59:00 -
[413]
blah |
MataSanos
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:00:00 -
[414]
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:00:00 -
[415]
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Darth Felin
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:00:00 -
[416]
Edited by: Darth Felin on 11/12/2008 10:01:26 signed
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Fernomina
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:01:00 -
[417]
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Secondary ISprimary
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:01:00 -
[418]
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Doc Punkiller
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:03:00 -
[419]
supporting this topic Signature removed. Inappropriate. Navigator |
Dartuho
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:03:00 -
[420]
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Hesit
SoT
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:05:00 -
[421]
signed
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Grayfish
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:05:00 -
[422]
Signed.
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GreyerLander
GBTeam
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:06:00 -
[423]
signed
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Kravek
Lamb Federation Navy C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:07:00 -
[424]
Yours friendly Combat Boosters supplier!
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Frugal friend
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:09:00 -
[425]
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Jhonen Senraedi
Minmatar Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:10:00 -
[426]
Signed..
Needs to be full disclosure of how this has affected the economy..the power and assets attained by certain alliances and individuals due to this etc.No fumbling around like the T20 incident of the past... Also CCP need to come up with a plan of how to repair some of the damage done by this and how they intend to keep the market stable in the wake of this controversy.Just erasing assets..characters and isk...but allowing the t2 components market etc. to sort itself out..would be as bad as the problem as a new bunch of people would get insanely rich(Those who quickly snapped up such items effected by the problem)...thus compounding the whole issue..and in effect also profiting from the exploit!
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Artasu Esva
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:13:00 -
[427]
signed
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Sarah Carrigan
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:14:00 -
[428]
Signed
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Mister Zero
Synergy Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:15:00 -
[429]
This is nothing short of an utter disgrace, CCP.
Safe to say that the entire political landscape within the EVE Universe is entirely skewed based on what has been an on-going scam.
What's worse is, by their own admission, weren't even paying customers. THOSE OF US WHO ARE DEMAND JUSTICE, GAWDAMMIT! Threat Level: Interesting |
Salyna Voh'r
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:16:00 -
[430]
/signed |
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NerShag
Cluster Of Rebirth
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:16:00 -
[431]
Signed.
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Soteric
SB. INC
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:17:00 -
[432]
Signed
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Hebus Zanheros
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:17:00 -
[433]
Yes please.
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Zeta LaFrege
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:19:00 -
[434]
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Shalsi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:22:00 -
[435]
Signed
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Ivena Amethyst
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:23:00 -
[436]
transparency.... give
-------- Is that an Itty V in your pocket or ar you just happy to see me? |
Elena Shot
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:24:00 -
[437]
signed
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Ran
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:25:00 -
[438]
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Alex Foradlera
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:26:00 -
[439]
+1
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Zoola256
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:28:00 -
[440]
Signed.
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Evgeny Onegin
OMNYX
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:29:00 -
[441]
signed
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Dihania
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:30:00 -
[442]
thumbs UP !
Join "join sniggwaffe" in game. Good Service! |
Rey Oldridge
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:31:00 -
[443]
Signed
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Botikus
Twilight Inquisition Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:32:00 -
[444]
Edited by: Botikus on 11/12/2008 10:32:26 Signed
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Ivan Bold
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:32:00 -
[445]
Signed
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Taat Ricedi
Trade Guild Inperium
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:35:00 -
[446]
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Shaytanarh
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:40:00 -
[447]
Edited by: Shaytanarh on 11/12/2008 10:41:27 Signed!
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Demian Thorn
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:41:00 -
[448]
signed
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Besrezen Kantos
Trade Guild Inperium
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:43:00 -
[449]
signed
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Quakers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:43:00 -
[450]
Pos-gate needs to be reported fully!!
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Sanni Cantosa
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:44:00 -
[451]
Signed.
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Street Magick
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:45:00 -
[452]
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:49:00 -
[453]
Edited by: Malcanis on 11/12/2008 10:49:21 Yeah, it'd be nice, but frankly, having seen a number of epic scandals over the years, I think this request will be completely ignored.
Because, you know, granting it might overload the database. Or something.
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Nagash Liamyn
Twilight Inquisition Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:49:00 -
[454]
Signed. |
Crow Sword
Seven Crafts United Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:51:00 -
[455]
Signed.
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Joss Sparq
ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:53:00 -
[456]
Signed, especially since I love a good bit of gossip.
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Mannfred Von'Carstein
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:53:00 -
[457]
Signed. |
Xikin
Honour Bound
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:54:00 -
[458]
signed
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Arata Suona
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:55:00 -
[459]
up
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PirateGost
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:57:00 -
[460]
signed
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faromkbr2
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:58:00 -
[461]
Signed
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Funky Panky
AFX Corp CCCP
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Posted - 2008.12.11 10:59:00 -
[462]
Signed.
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Too Ducky
BROWBEAT Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:06:00 -
[463]
signed
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Moad Dip
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:07:00 -
[464]
signed |
Matt calvert
Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:07:00 -
[465]
signed
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Graf Ibori
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:08:00 -
[466]
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Lilly Chel
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:08:00 -
[467]
up |
Clansworth
Blackwater USA Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:09:00 -
[468]
I know it'll fall on deaf ears, but seriously people need to calm down. It's been less than a day so far since it was 'revealed' that there was an exploit that is being closed. The actual details are murky at best, and from a virtually anonymous source. Even if it WAS true, it would take days/weeks for them to even determine the extent of its use, if it is even possible. It depends on whether this even really shows up in the logs, which, as it is a bug, may not. Just calm down and give them some time to react properly. The last thing we need is them knee-jerking and 'fixing' the issue without properly weighing the options.
System Influence |
Lylyth
Gallente Defcon One Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:09:00 -
[469]
signed
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JMG
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:10:00 -
[470]
signed;
i think we will see a dramatic politic change after big names like RA, Goons, TCF BoB will disband cause their money making players got band and mostly all assets are removed cause gained due to exploid use......
all those exploiters had changed eve politics that much and enjoyed playing eve without "working" for anything" :( shame on u guys (and on CCP tbh, for that this Exploit is up and running for more than 4 years!!)
ban all those freaks and try to fix the universe; and then get some new GMs that will listen more to Players Petitions (voices) :(
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Khoann Sasz
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:17:00 -
[471]
signed
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Shibosu
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:17:00 -
[472]
signed
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Nicola Dzen
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:18:00 -
[473]
yes
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y0ric
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:20:00 -
[474]
/signed
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Bravest
Team Superbuddies
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:20:00 -
[475]
Yep signed
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DjLowballer
FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:26:00 -
[476]
I feel that if the CSM is a true bridge for transparency, that all delegates should be given full access to all data and allowed to report to us both here and any other outlet if CCP is planning censorship. Please Vote DjLowballer as your delegate to the CSM! |
SpadeWorker
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:26:00 -
[477]
Signed.
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DjHighballer
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:27:00 -
[478]
signed both accounts
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FlameOfSky
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:27:00 -
[479]
signed
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Trefnis
Viper Squad
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:27:00 -
[480]
|
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FURY EG
The Corrupt
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Posted - 2008.12.11 11:28:00 -
[481]
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Ackuula
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:32:00 -
[482]
/signed
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Merlin Athrawes
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:32:00 -
[483]
signed
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21 Salvager
Moons of Pluto Space Exploration and Logistic Services
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:32:00 -
[484]
signed ----- I'm a collector! Want to trade? See my Collection List and contact me. |
Flatter Memorial
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:33:00 -
[485]
signed
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J'Mkarr Soban
Proxenetae Invicti
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:34:00 -
[486]
-- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work. |
grandool
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:36:00 -
[487]
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Ouperia
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:37:00 -
[488]
signed
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Alkira B
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:41:00 -
[489]
Edited by: Alkira B on 11/12/2008 11:40:46 signed
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ddima7
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:41:00 -
[490]
Yes
|
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Takal Cylotar
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:41:00 -
[491]
____________________
Faith is my armor and Conviction is my sword. |
SikPuppy
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:41:00 -
[492]
/signed |
corban5
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:47:00 -
[493]
Signed
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Deleware
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:59:00 -
[494]
Signed
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SSDD24
Dirty Filthy Perverts
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:01:00 -
[495]
/signed
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Mike Check
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:02:00 -
[496]
I think this shows CCP that the way petitions are handled is not ideal, no matter what the measurements they use at the moment(and in the past) indicate...
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Ton'ko
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:03:00 -
[497]
signed
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Kamchedal
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:03:00 -
[498]
Yes
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Trebor Daehdoow
LEAP Corp Ursa Stellar Initiative
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:03:00 -
[499]
World Domination - It's fun for the entire family! EViE - The iPhone / iPod Touch Skill Training Monitor
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KopyM
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:12:00 -
[500]
signed
|
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olzi
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:13:00 -
[501]
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Jalif
Scorpion's Sting Blades of Serenity
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:20:00 -
[502]
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Shianeer Salvan
Jugis Modo Utopia Skunk-Works
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:21:00 -
[503]
Edited by: Shianeer Salvan on 11/12/2008 12:21:18 /signed
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Miyamoto Shigesuke
Jugis Modo Utopia Skunk-Works
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:23:00 -
[504]
We demand immediate investigation!
|
grafs
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:35:00 -
[505]
signed
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ZeaGate Ierihon
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:35:00 -
[506]
true
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Lady Leila
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:36:00 -
[507]
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Graall
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:37:00 -
[508]
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Sutskop
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:43:00 -
[509]
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Ferion Virian
War Tactical Groups Varangians.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:44:00 -
[510]
|
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Poreuomai
Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:45:00 -
[511]
Let My People Go |
Leo Kessler
The Geriatrics
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:54:00 -
[512]
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The Designer
HELLSING AGENCY Rebellion Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:55:00 -
[513]
I support this.
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Dariah Stardweller
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:56:00 -
[514]
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Xapeg
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:58:00 -
[515]
signed
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:58:00 -
[516]
This is getting close to the old 5% rule. I'm sure this will be raised.
|
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War United Legion
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:59:00 -
[517]
Hell, yes. ---
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zacuis
Great Big Research
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:01:00 -
[518]
signed
we must know how much this exploit has been used the scale and the corps/ alliences involved is info u must provide.
|
Trinneth
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:04:00 -
[519]
The economy's one of the cornerstones of EVE, so we need to know just how widespread this was.
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Captain Chip
Gallente Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:07:00 -
[520]
I'd say punish them and all that knew about it to the maximum extent. No names, just action against them.
|
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X3k5
The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:12:00 -
[521]
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Syrian FC
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:14:00 -
[522]
Signed
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Bupil
3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:14:00 -
[523]
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Takari TO
Nefantar Tribe
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:19:00 -
[524]
+ WTS list, works ingame too! |
Llaenia
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:26:00 -
[525]
Edited by: Llaenia on 11/12/2008 13:25:49 +1
|
Bastaardicious
Enrave Ethereal Dawn
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:29:00 -
[526]
Signed.
|
Myz Toyou
Tri-Mining Corp Shadow of xXDEATHXx
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:30:00 -
[527]
/signed -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [gold]Your signature image exceeds the maximum allo |
Freia Lenneth
The Wings of Maak
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:31:00 -
[528]
|
munchy
Filthy Scum
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:33:00 -
[529]
/signed
|
Miyamoto Uroki
Katsu Corporation
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:33:00 -
[530]
Also wanna know how wide this scaled
|
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Konika Mruse
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:35:00 -
[531]
Tell us those dirty secrets! |
Elliott Manchild
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:35:00 -
[532]
ccc c ccc
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Yogos
Xenobytes Stain Empire
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:37:00 -
[533]
c
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Cippalippus Primus
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:38:00 -
[534]
definitively -clp
|
Altherion
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:38:00 -
[535]
Edited by: Altherion on 11/12/2008 13:38:34
|
Zuiki
Ulysse Inc. ISULA
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:38:00 -
[536]
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Abarat Bax
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:39:00 -
[537]
We Deserv to know
|
herindoors x
ORIGIN SYSTEMS Atlas Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:39:00 -
[538]
Transparency would be a nice touch and allow for some significant boost to confidence in CCP actions. Not entirely convinced that transparency need go as far revealing players/alliances involved.
|
Commander BlackJack
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:40:00 -
[539]
|
Raguun
LDK Kraftwerk.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:40:00 -
[540]
|
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geno effort
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:41:00 -
[541]
Edited by: geno effort on 11/12/2008 13:40:44 Signed. This seems to have significant EVE-political implications, so "glasnost" in this matter would be quite appopriate.
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Gloria Khan
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:41:00 -
[542]
signed
Anyone care to gues as to which two Alliances were involved? (as if we need to know the second one).
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qKaC3K
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:42:00 -
[543]
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Nooto
Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:42:00 -
[544]
I truly hope that CCP realize what that means for us the playerbase and give out every single detail regarding this issue BEWARE!!!
All text above this sig represents my personal opinion. This in no way reflects the views of my corporation or alliance |
GulletSplitter
Maasai Tribal Products Independent Faction
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:43:00 -
[545]
signed |
EdFromHumanResources
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:45:00 -
[546]
Originally by: Issler Dainze
Originally by: Comstr Edited by: Comstr on 11/12/2008 01:14:47 Ok, CCP, the CSM's were set up excatly for this sort of thing.
The public needs to know. You have a chance to make up for the previous fiasco- don't let this chance to come clean go.
I can't begin to guess what the CSM can do but I have started a thread with the current CSM about our reaction and a call to consider what we might do to represent the pilots of Eve in helping understand the extent of the exploit and the actual CCP response once it was reveiled.
That said, someone once gave me a quote that went something like "Never assume an act to be maliciousness when stupidity is a possibility". I expect I mangled the quote but I think the sentiment is valid. Let's not assume that all of CCP is bed with a certain set of big alliances when this could have been a simple oversite, a break down in process or if a deliberate act, that of a one or a small number of individuals.
So for now, let's put away boiling oil and pitchforks and hope that CCP can provide whatever information required to let the pilots of Eve feel comfortable that their concerns are being addressed.
As for the CSM, I can assure you everyone in the CSM wants a fair Eve for all and if there is anything we can do to help put this situation to rest we will.
Issler
No.
I support this thread. ------------------------------------------------- Everyone hates goonswarm for one reason or another. ... And they promote ***gotism -Zurrar
|
Dally
Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:47:00 -
[547]
Signed
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Marc Isabel
Noir.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:48:00 -
[548]
Interesting allegations. They deserve attention. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Mal Lokrano
LFC Executive Outcomes
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:50:00 -
[549]
Edited by: Mal Lokrano on 11/12/2008 13:50:18 I would like to know more about who got away with this. ____________________________________________ When going to a party with wine, women, and song. Always acertain the vintage of the first two. |
DaRks7aR
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:51:00 -
[550]
|
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frsd
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:52:00 -
[551]
Supported because we all want to know how the markets will react and if T2 items are going up by a 100%
|
Dontlike light
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:53:00 -
[552]
signed
|
Kian Jorry
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:57:00 -
[553]
yep
|
Ar'tee
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:58:00 -
[554]
This
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David Godfrey
Noir.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:59:00 -
[555]
Signed |
Barrak Obama
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:01:00 -
[556]
|
Retklat
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:01:00 -
[557]
|
Tyemich
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:02:00 -
[558]
Signed |
Per Kopfhurer
Filthy Scum
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:03:00 -
[559]
/signed |
Anarich
Perkone
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:03:00 -
[560]
More information please, CCP and 4 years or however long it has been going on is too much. |
|
Rumata Est
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:04:00 -
[561]
Signed |
Shalantai
Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:05:00 -
[562]
The more info we can get, the better. Keeping quiet will only bring up more rumors further degrading trust. |
Hel'nurath
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:05:00 -
[563]
Signed |
Anderson
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:07:00 -
[564]
|
Lisatrommi
State War Academy
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:07:00 -
[565]
|
blh 42
Exotic Dancers Club Exalted.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:11:00 -
[566]
I vote YES. http://blh.scorpionshops.com/blh42_sign.gif http://sigs.griefwatch.net/phpbbsig.php/h4xx/argentblue/blh 42.jpg Please only use one image in your signature and make sure that it adheres to the 24000 byte filesize limit -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
Winchestori
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:14:00 -
[567]
drama, why not
|
Schwermetall
Bad Passion Sternhagel
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:15:00 -
[568]
______________________
|
Allayo
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:17:00 -
[569]
1
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Tal Notts
Divine Power.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:19:00 -
[570]
|
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Abernathy Wallace
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:23:00 -
[571]
|
Catturday
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:26:00 -
[572]
Givfz Intel!
|
Pazelya
R.U.S.T. Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:28:00 -
[573]
EvE should know their heroes
|
Kuranta
Pator Tech School
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:29:00 -
[574]
|
Tommy Rainbow
Terracorp Inc. Rebellion Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:30:00 -
[575]
SIGNED!
|
Voltain
BEER Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:34:00 -
[576]
DesuSig |
LENA LEE
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:35:00 -
[577]
Well at least we know who the realy isk sellers were and makes you wonder just how much real money the made outside of the game selling that isk and screwing with the market. Hopfully things will change and we will not only see bans and less is sales but a far better market now because of this
|
Kurt Ambrose
Point Blank.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:35:00 -
[578]
/Sign
|
Mia Tikuma
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:37:00 -
[579]
I want the full drama bomb. Give us the names.
|
Sabot Vakeil
PIE Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:38:00 -
[580]
|
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THE CHAOSMASTER
Gray Hunters White Noise.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:40:00 -
[581]
--------------------- Arrrrgh, i ll consume your brain and your market... |
Nomi S
Mystic Lion Hearts Sev3rance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:41:00 -
[582]
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MrRx7
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:42:00 -
[583]
full disclosure
they violated their rights to privacy, Name and shame Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected]) |
hfo df
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:43:00 -
[584]
+1
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Scott Woods
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:43:00 -
[585]
Signed.
|
Mr Fever
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:44:00 -
[586]
Signed
|
Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:44:00 -
[587]
NAME AND SHAME!
|
John'eh
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:46:00 -
[588]
|
Resetgun
Deep Core Mining Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:47:00 -
[589]
"As long as there are greedy people and the devs do nothing, it will work." - Dentara Rast, billionaire |
Kalrar Sut
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:48:00 -
[590]
Signed
|
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Mariokoli Mianana
Gallente Cloak and Daggers Ocularis Inferno
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:51:00 -
[591]
For something of this impact, I'd like to have a report delivered to the EVE community detailing who, what, and full details.
|
Big50
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:54:00 -
[592]
.
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gfldex
Evolution Band of Brothers
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:02:00 -
[593]
--
There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
|
Korvin Eeex
Kumovi Sons of Tangra
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:05:00 -
[594]
/signed ==================================================
Lag does not exist ... It is all just a matter of perception. |
Vampdragon666
Dragoon Systems Inc
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:05:00 -
[595]
|
Forceflow
Center for Advanced Studies
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:06:00 -
[596]
/signed
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Timotheus Siberius
Federation Navy Shipyards
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:07:00 -
[597]
I want full coverage on this epic news. * See you in space! |
itandehui
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:08:00 -
[598]
Signed!
|
jimera muroaga
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:09:00 -
[599]
Definitely signed!!!
|
Straikur
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:09:00 -
[600]
/signed |
|
necrocobra
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:10:00 -
[601]
signed
|
Ziester
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:15:00 -
[602]
Edited by: Ziester on 11/12/2008 15:15:23 Edited by: Ziester on 11/12/2008 15:15:05
Originally by: Es Hai Does anyone remember in the Delve campaign us capturing a BoB station and looking in their corp hangar and noticing they had like 3 years worth of ferrogel or something stockpiled?
/signed
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Iva Soreass
Pradamark Industries
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:15:00 -
[603]
I will sign just to show support.
But you know and everyone else with half a brain in this thread will know that CCP will do what they do best - Damage control sweep it under the carpet and make drastic changes to the game to divert people's attention.
We wont find out who the alliances or corps who are doing this are unless someone from inside it comes forward with 'proof'.
So again i give support but expect the cleaners out soon sweeping this up and under the carpet.
|
Lcdr Welcome
ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:21:00 -
[604]
signed ------------------- Lcdr Welcome
|
Laice
Judicial Blade Novus Aevum
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:22:00 -
[605]
signed
|
Indira Gandi
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:23:00 -
[606]
Edited by: Indira Gandi on 11/12/2008 15:24:18 signed
|
AS101101
Red's Swashbucklers Corp Legion of xXDEATHXx
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:24:00 -
[607]
+1 |
Tolein Nachura
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:27:00 -
[608]
/signed +1
|
Chap Man
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:28:00 -
[609]
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Vertex Eisenstein
Path of Now and Forever
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:29:00 -
[610]
The CSM should be involved in this immediately. If they are not used then they should be disbanded as they would clearly be a white elephant.
A full investigation should take place into what (if any) auditing procedures are in place to prevent this sort of cheating.
FULL disclosure about what alliances were involved should be given.
|
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:31:00 -
[611]
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jnb
Black Ash State Services Caeruleum Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:33:00 -
[612]
---------------------------------------------- Hulk Combat - When Carebears Attack! |
Raiden Volnar
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:36:00 -
[613]
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nadro
Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:36:00 -
[614]
bring the cameras
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Cat Molina
Psychotic Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:37:00 -
[615]
Supported.
While Eve is just a game, it is the responsibility of CCP to ensure a level playing field. Current developments (and past history) might lead prospective players to believe you run a crooked game.
|
Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:40:00 -
[616]
"we have banned 7 corporations" "which ones ?" "we cant tell anyone"
bunch of morons
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Criss Anthem
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:41:00 -
[617]
yeah
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Amoun Ra
Soulless Armada
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:44:00 -
[618]
Man my eve experience has just gone down by 50%, i mean what is the point of playing this game anyway if someone has been spending years exploiting it in such a horrible way.
CCP i hope you have an answer to my question and i hope you do the right thing |
Kalkin84
STK Scientific N.A.S.A
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:47:00 -
[619]
signed
|
Ja'Anarria
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:48:00 -
[620]
Yes, and yes.
"Sunshine is the best disinfectant" |
|
falcoon24
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:48:00 -
[621]
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Foomp
Xentech Research Division Dawn of Transcendence
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:48:00 -
[622]
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Sarah Meow
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:48:00 -
[623]
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Der Lemming
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:49:00 -
[624]
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Telore Dragonsun
Glauxian Brothers
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:49:00 -
[625]
Signed ---------------------------- God not only plays Dice, But the Dice Are Loaded,
And some are thrown into corners that no one can see. |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:49:00 -
[626]
support hence given
|
MSS Epica
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:53:00 -
[627]
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Sebastien LeReparteur
Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:53:00 -
[628]
Indeed
|
Pupel
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:55:00 -
[629]
signed
|
Riga Mortiss
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 15:55:00 -
[630]
Edited by: Riga Mortiss on 11/12/2008 15:56:48 The lack of response from CCP is startling, I would think they would want to do the right thing and clear the air for all of us who DID NOT find out / use this exploit, and ban / penalize those who did.
CCP, if you do follow this thread please do the right thing and make this open to all players so we know what is going on. NOTHING ruins player confidence in a game than the perception of "Secrecy and Back Door" dealings. Unless we the players can fully understand the extent of this debacle and are allowed to participate in its resolution there will likely be severe negative repercussions to the player base.
We are a resonably intelligent bunch (despite what some posts would imply.. ) and will understand when an honest mistake has been made, we will even understand if a coverup attempt has been made PROVIDED those guilty are dealt with accordingly and PUBLICLY.
On this issue CCP the ball is firmly in your court, we hope to see positive actions and full disclosure from you on this.
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the Entity
testicular Fortitude
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Posted - 2008.12.11 15:56:00 -
[631]
interesting times ahead regardless ...
well n truly signed.
Originally by: Acama Asante so clearly this thread is my punishment but what was my crime I wonder
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Kaihn
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.11 15:58:00 -
[632]
Edited by: Kaihn on 11/12/2008 15:58:01 We want the names...we want the alliances ...burn them!!!!
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Amethyst Savage
Hikage Corporation G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.11 15:58:00 -
[633]
Signed
exploiters to the hell
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ZacAllen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.12.11 15:59:00 -
[634]
Signed.
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Ruyter
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:03:00 -
[635]
Signed
Name & shame & burn them all!
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Muandir
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:07:00 -
[636]
yep!
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Shan Dollean
THE INSURGENCY
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:07:00 -
[637]
Edited by: Shan Dollean on 11/12/2008 16:07:43 Signed.
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Freya Selene
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:08:00 -
[638]
Signed. |
AAAF
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:08:00 -
[639]
Signed
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Spite4U
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:09:00 -
[640]
Signed
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SilentWinter
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:09:00 -
[641]
__________________ Twice the hate Twice the carnage |
Entaro
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:09:00 -
[642]
Signed
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Hagen Stein
Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:12:00 -
[643]
/signed
CCP, sort this out, see who did what and report *openly* to your player base (aka "paying customers").
CSM, hunt CCP to do so.
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Erfurt
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:19:00 -
[644]
We need to know. "Far better it is to dare mighty things, than to take rank with those poor, timid spirits who know neither victory nor defeat."
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Gig Hardpoint
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:21:00 -
[645]
Signed
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Klariso Troben
Vaportrail Logistics
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:22:00 -
[646]
/signed
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Rascle
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:22:00 -
[647]
TELL US
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MILK Monk
2nd Blood Raven Assault Squad
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:23:00 -
[648]
hmm, what else... what be good to know as much as possible __________________________________ I do it myyyy wayyyy... Milky Way. |
Tom Baley
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:26:00 -
[649]
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Yolkree
Kinkou.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:26:00 -
[650]
Signed
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:27:00 -
[651]
Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde on 11/12/2008 16:26:59 We need full transparency here, names need to be named and held accountable on the CCP and on the player/alliance side.
And we've all been wondering why there's so much super cap spam; ONE exploiter got enough isk to build several hundred of the things! ---
Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam |
Grendel Wulfsbane
Underground-Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:28:00 -
[652]
Signed
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Hope Baley
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:28:00 -
[653]
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xlam
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:29:00 -
[654]
signed
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Karina Redstar
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:30:00 -
[655]
signed
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Pizi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:31:00 -
[656]
Edited by: Pizi on 11/12/2008 16:31:11 Originally by: Lea Re What should happen is not banning 1. Check who was involved 2. Check the amount of isk that was made on suspicious transactions 3. Deduct that amount from wallets 4. Check large donations to other players 5. Check stated donation reasons 6. Deduct that money from players that were given isk 7. make the whole process transparent to eve community
it's a sad day for eve _______________________________________________ Mining Crystal II BPC Pricelist EVEpedia[Deutsch]
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Jasen Korr
Redstar Force LTD
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:31:00 -
[657]
/signed
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Ariana Redstar
FAUR INDUSTRIES
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:33:00 -
[658]
Signed
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Necrobils
UK Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:34:00 -
[659]
Signed.
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Betonela
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:34:00 -
[660]
SIGNED
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Leakim jones
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:35:00 -
[661]
definitely signed
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Black Adder
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:35:00 -
[662]
When do I get my compensation check.
A few trillion isk should be fine (for every charator on all my accounts).
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Kai page
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:35:00 -
[663]
witch hunt !
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Keeper ofDungeonSquad
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:38:00 -
[664]
Edited by: Keeper ofDungeonSquad on 11/12/2008 16:39:16 Signed
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Albed0
Strength Of New Ubik Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:38:00 -
[665]
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Darklord Scott
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:38:00 -
[666]
We need answers
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Halo58
eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:41:00 -
[667]
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Suchechka
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:42:00 -
[668]
signed
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Greg DaimYo
Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:42:00 -
[669]
Edited by: Greg DaimYo on 11/12/2008 16:42:12 Let's pile up the pyre.
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Rixt
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:42:00 -
[670]
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Merenid
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:43:00 -
[671]
CCP, please be honest to us, who played by the rules.
And please invesitigate it thoroughly. Banning a few alts won't stop people from exploiting in the future, once the word spreads that you can get away with a black eye, if you're smart.
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Xrak
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:43:00 -
[672]
name and shame tbh.
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Kathraine Avila
Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:44:00 -
[673]
signed
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jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:44:00 -
[674]
Signed... and where do I get my "thumbs up" icon from ?
destroy everything you touch |
Solaris04
Gallente Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:45:00 -
[675]
signed i wanna know what that 50 kia/evoke pos is doing on iitanmadan
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Medved 3
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:47:00 -
[676]
sign
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Acarina Tensukken
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:50:00 -
[677]
Signed, totally.
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Fzoul
KAOS. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:51:00 -
[678]
Yup
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Kiotsu Adler
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:53:00 -
[679]
It won't happen, sure they knew it all , alchemy was just a (fail) fix for the market to keep T2 prices low.
Anyway signed.
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Arri Gato
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:54:00 -
[680]
OUTRAGED!!!
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Garok Nor
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:56:00 -
[681]
/signed ------------------------------------------------- Items posted by me are in no way a reflection of the policies and/or opinions of my corporation or alliance. {though they maybe really ought to be} |
Haunting
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:57:00 -
[682]
All the fat people in the house say "I"; There should be names associated to this whole issue.
Accountability 101 ?
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Nomore Telindus
Pangalactic Punks n' Playboys HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:57:00 -
[683]
signed
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Delencia Lakat
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:57:00 -
[684]
Signed.
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Gamer4liff
Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:58:00 -
[685]
This is the kind of thing the CSM was created for.
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Aggememnon
Insurrection Inc Tygris Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:59:00 -
[686]
signed for sure, something for the CSM to do :)
------------------- Friendly fire isn't |
Aerick Dawn
Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.12.11 16:59:00 -
[687]
signed.
__________________ If I'm in a fair fight, i've done something terribly wrong. |
Major Deviant
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:00:00 -
[688]
Edited by: Major Deviant on 11/12/2008 17:01:11 signed
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DrefsabZN
Butterfly Effect Corp.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:00:00 -
[689]
/signed
This issue could be very very serious. At the moment there are some very heavy allegations and CCP has not even refuted them.
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Tahvo Tylynen
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:01:00 -
[690]
Signed. |
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RoxY Mowi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:01:00 -
[691]
/signed
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Mareike Feathermoon
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:02:00 -
[692]
signed
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GuerrilaRadio
Relentless Construction Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:02:00 -
[693]
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Jimmy Ray
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:03:00 -
[694]
/signed No Guts, No Galaxy!
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Linas IV
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:03:00 -
[695]
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Doublewhopper
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:03:00 -
[696]
Edited by: Doublewhopper on 11/12/2008 17:03:39 /signed
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gramafon
United Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:04:00 -
[697]
support
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Morasi Tereneth
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:04:00 -
[698]
signed
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MentaFox
The Maverick Navy Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:05:00 -
[699]
signed ____________________________________
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
EVE is EVE, it has it's own genre. Not generic space MMO #546.
It's always going to be a marmite game.
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Minious
Scheliax Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:05:00 -
[700]
signed
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Ticondrius
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:05:00 -
[701]
Indeed, signed. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- PROPOSAL: Chaos Incarnate's Face MMORPG: Many Men Online Role Playing Girls |
BloodyWomble
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:06:00 -
[702]
The only thing to support in any of these threads is the continual replenishment of emo carebear tears.
River emo is strong in this thread.
T2 prices will hopefully go up in price and a lot of you emos will be on the receiving end of piratey ass rapings, them lifting your modules drenched in hard earned emo tears.
It's a win win situation.
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HyPerRaZieL
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:06:00 -
[703]
signed !
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Jeiden Rougal
Katsu Corporation German Information Network Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:07:00 -
[704]
/signed Most of the time for a game its better if the Producer can work alone, but affairs of this scale need to be controllable by the public as it is a major stab in the thrustworthyness of CCPs ability to manage the Game
Tecam Hund - 2006.09.22 10:55:00 About Ransom: "It might not be profitable at once, but in the long run killing everything that moves is like skinning sheep instead of just cutting the wool." |
Morris Kane
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:08:00 -
[705]
signed
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roq deelim
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:08:00 -
[706]
/signed
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Koggull
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:08:00 -
[707]
signed.
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PRO TECH
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:09:00 -
[708]
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Shaden Nightwalker
Final Clarity
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:09:00 -
[709]
Signed.
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Fantom Ex
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:09:00 -
[710]
signed
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Liu
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:10:00 -
[711]
Originally by: Apertotes tbh, boot.ini was overpowered and needed a nerf
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Nihablo
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:10:00 -
[712]
signed!!
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WARDNER
Ma petite Entreprise ...
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:11:00 -
[713]
\signed
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Zabrint
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:12:00 -
[714]
signed..
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Darious Septim
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:12:00 -
[715]
signed
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Ripcha Headov
Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:12:00 -
[716]
Edited by: Ripcha Headov on 11/12/2008 17:12:45 signed
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Tjakka
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:14:00 -
[717]
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Sarin Adler
SPANI Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:14:00 -
[718]
/signed
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Sunabi
Shade.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:15:00 -
[719]
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:15:00 -
[720]
/Signed |
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Easy2kn0w
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:15:00 -
[721]
/signed
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Barga Hi'che
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:15:00 -
[722]
signed
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Tekatto
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:17:00 -
[723]
Signed
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Gnulpie
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:17:00 -
[724]
/signed
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Lanell Landrius
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:18:00 -
[725]
/signed
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Azel Efstar
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:20:00 -
[726]
/signed
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Aurora148
DBCI
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:21:00 -
[727]
/signed
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Echthalian
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:21:00 -
[728]
No cover ups CCP. Extend the BAN hammer!, and expose the guilty!
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Dallarra
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:21:00 -
[729]
X
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Saltire
Sekura-Corporation
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:24:00 -
[730]
/signed
The only reason this scam was discovered at all is probably because someone told their mates to help them make isk, then mate tells another mate and so on...
around placid, in uphallant and dastryns in particular i have seen chains of 15 large gallente towers each with the same silo setup, 1 complex reactor and loads of silos, if ferrogel was really selling for less than its production cost then someone making it buy buying the raws from jita and reacting it isnt making a profit.
I'l be watching these towers over the weekend, if they suddenly vanish i will name and shame all the people i have seen using the towers, their alliance and all corps.
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Metelus Aquila
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:27:00 -
[731]
Signed
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Migar
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:28:00 -
[732]
signed
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Gods Messenger
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:29:00 -
[733]
signed
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Rramar Claime
Amarr Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:29:00 -
[734]
too
------- "I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day, when he said; 'Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?' Grandpa said, 'No, but I served in a company of heroes." |
Lea Re
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:30:00 -
[735]
i concur
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:30:00 -
[736]
The exploiters and the "mains" they were connected to should be named and shamed. I seriously doubt it's a whole alliance issue. Cheaters are too greedy to be sharing their secrets. Boink! |
Zareph
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:32:00 -
[737]
Name and Shame. Just character names, and corporation, and alliance. We don't want you to post their home address or anything crazy, just we want to know who cheats.
While all answers are replies, not all replies are answers.
[orange]Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximu |
dezzybear
Diversity 101
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:32:00 -
[738]
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Heng Jin
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:32:00 -
[739]
/signed
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Saint Sebastian
ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:32:00 -
[740]
/signed
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Commander Solo
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:33:00 -
[741]
Signed.
BoB got it in the neck when the T20 debacle occured, lets see who was responsible for this.
*note, i/we are no longer affliated with the GBC
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Xanja
2H Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:33:00 -
[742]
name and shame ----------------- |
Cardinal Harvest
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:34:00 -
[743]
^
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Afale II
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:34:00 -
[744]
Edited by: Afale II on 11/12/2008 17:34:22 we know 1 alliance still 1 to go NAME AND SHAME or we will find out ourselves
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Robert0288
g guild Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:35:00 -
[745]
name and shame
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H3ndrix
Amarr freelancers inc KenZoku
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:38:00 -
[746]
name & shame
/signed I used to have a Sig but CCP Nerfed it !!!! It wasn't Nerfed, it was moderationally enhanced. -Darth Patches |
Pattern Clarc
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:39:00 -
[747]
I may not sign my NDA (thus resigning my CSM place) if this is not addressed ____
My Blog Is Awesome
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Del Torres
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:39:00 -
[748]
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Queitis
DBCI
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:40:00 -
[749]
signed Ahh i see you have that ship that goes pop |
More money
Erasers inc. Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:41:00 -
[750]
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Valeronx
Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:41:00 -
[751]
/signed
.
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Mira O'karr
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:42:00 -
[752]
supporting this.
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Mr Asgard
SolaR KillerS
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:42:00 -
[753]
Edited by: Mr Asgard on 11/12/2008 17:42:19 Signed
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Donkee Punch
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:42:00 -
[754]
Originally by: Pattern Clarc Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 11/12/2008 17:40:22 I may not sign my NDA (thus resigning my CSM place) if this is not addressed in the clear light of day
WELL SAID Pattern.. Kudos to at least one CSM that actually HAS a manly sized hairy set!
CCP.. we need / demand updates on this issue... how you as a company are perceived will hinge on how you handle this situation.
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Haakelen
Cassandra's Light Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:44:00 -
[755]
Hey, look, the CSM has something to do again!
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:45:00 -
[756]
Supporting.
The Star Fraction Communications Portal |
OverIke
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:45:00 -
[757]
/signed
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Randibuggah
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:45:00 -
[758]
Edited by: Randibuggah on 11/12/2008 17:45:29 I'm not sure how many of you are really P*O*'d about this.. but if there is enough support we should start a petition showing our willingness to if not outright cancel. at least put our accounts on a "hold" status until CCP addresses this issue to our satisfaction..
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Evil Pookie
BURN EDEN Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:46:00 -
[759]
signed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVrN-Rv2VEs |
J Rhill
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:46:00 -
[760]
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Serendipitously
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:47:00 -
[761]
Originally by: Pattern Clarc Edited by: Pattern Clarc on 11/12/2008 17:40:22 I may not sign my NDA (thus resigning my CSM place) if this is not addressed in the clear light of day
Pattern Clarc for ombudsman
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:47:00 -
[762]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Update: This matter will be brought up at a CSM and CCP meeting this upcoming weekend.
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Breaky Uzumaki
The Greater Moon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:48:00 -
[763]
By not being transparent on this issue you are further legitimizing Kugutsumen and others who have brought corruption to light in the past.
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acompton
Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:48:00 -
[764]
/signed... and ready to join lynch mob..
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Sir JoJo
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:49:00 -
[765]
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Lillianna Rose
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:49:00 -
[766]
/signed
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Thann Starlinbow
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:51:00 -
[767]
Signed.
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Masumi Meido
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:52:00 -
[768]
Edited by: Masumi Meido on 11/12/2008 17:52:05 Signed.
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:52:00 -
[769]
It's time for the CSM to show it's worth, this issue could be a turning point in regards to how many people actually take it seriously.
\o/ EON FICTION WRITER OF THE YEAR! \o/
>>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW <<< |
n5000
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:53:00 -
[770]
Singed! And unblock Kugutsumen! We have right to know the truth!
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joefishy
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:53:00 -
[771]
signed :)
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the member
Republic University
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:54:00 -
[772]
first?
Quote: "You're obviously from France." -- Intel CEO Paul Ottelini
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Captain Politics
JotunHeim Hird X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:56:00 -
[773]
signed
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Jirden T'zisaar
Dreams Denied Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 17:56:00 -
[774]
Edited by: Jirden T''zisaar on 11/12/2008 17:56:23 /signed
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The BigOne
Gallente Redheads and Railguns
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 17:58:00 -
[775]
Since scandals appear to be part of the game now I'll hop on board.
/sign me up
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Iron Golem
Third Return Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:00:00 -
[776]
Rabble
Rabble
Rabble
|
boazikos
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:01:00 -
[777]
Edited by: boazikos on 11/12/2008 18:00:59 Names and boot to the head! Out of ****ing nowhere is David HotDropOff |
Dal Thrax
Multiverse Corporation
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:01:00 -
[778]
/signed
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Barek
Amarr hirr Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:02:00 -
[779]
/signed ------------
Hk93g3 > i blame ****o for a lot of things....strong hand muscles...fast reflexes...lack of interest in my wife. |
Fejo
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:02:00 -
[780]
signed
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Kataru Hishen
Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:02:00 -
[781]
I support this motion. Not because of this exploit but that it will prevent future rug-sweeps.
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Frocke
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:03:00 -
[782]
:-) |
Lord Cath
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:03:00 -
[783]
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Leyla Anshley
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:03:00 -
[784]
yes!
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Dave PSI
Haendlergilde
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:04:00 -
[785]
I normally doesn't support a witch hunt, but in this case i want to see them burning.
T R U S T shop: http://www.evetrust.com // Haendlergilde [HAE]
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Fox'Ray
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:04:00 -
[786]
signed
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Pyro Miner
Andromeda Survey and Mining Division Eve Trade Union
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:05:00 -
[787]
/signed -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Selling Null Large T2 Hybrid Ammo,T2 scordite crystal |
Pyro NL
Andromeda Survey and Mining Division Eve Trade Union
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:06:00 -
[788]
/signed
______________________________________________
Pyro is the Name Burning is my Game |
PYR0's Exoticdancer
Garoun Investment Bank
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:06:00 -
[789]
Edited by: PYR0''s Exoticdancer on 11/12/2008 18:06:27 /signed
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Skyy
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:07:00 -
[790]
You bet I'm signing this.
|
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PYR0 EXOTICDANCER
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:07:00 -
[791]
/signed
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PYRO'S EX0TICDANCER
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:08:00 -
[792]
Edited by: PYRO''S EX0TICDANCER on 11/12/2008 18:07:45 /signed
|
Lemage
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:08:00 -
[793]
/signed
|
srezagrats iradlac
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:08:00 -
[794]
/signed get those bastards
|
Parallex Error
Andromeda Survey and Mining Division Eve Trade Union
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:09:00 -
[795]
Edited by: Parallex Error on 11/12/2008 18:09:17 agreed
|
Ionized Methane
EHRSO
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:10:00 -
[796]
I'm down with transparency.
|
DarkNefrite
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:12:00 -
[797]
Edited by: DarkNefrite on 11/12/2008 18:11:51 signed --------------------------------------- In Battle we Dance |
Trinity Faetal
Burn The Witch
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:12:00 -
[798]
.
I see their pain, on some level i even understand their pain... i just can't feel their pain. |
Osakasan
North Star Networks
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:12:00 -
[799]
Do it.
___________________________________ GENTLEMEN. |
Ehranavaar
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:13:00 -
[800]
this is a very large problem from the sounds of things so far and it must be dealt with properly and seen to be dealt with properly.
|
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Evitar
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:14:00 -
[801]
---------- |
Arcturus Io
Shade. Penumbra Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:17:00 -
[802]
/signed
|
Stelteck
Minmatar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:17:00 -
[803]
/signed
|
Charuo
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:21:00 -
[804]
|
Xonox Galatorg
Pulsar Combat Supplies Alternative Realities
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:22:00 -
[805]
-Xonox Pulsar Combat Supplies, Director of Production and POS |
Rosur
Phoibe Enterprises Shadow of xXDEATHXx
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:23:00 -
[806]
/signed
|
Usiri Sippy
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:23:00 -
[807]
|
Draycar Hazaran
Uninvited Guests Rote Kapelle
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:24:00 -
[808]
Concur, and Pattern, you rock.
|
donzie
Stormlord Battleforce
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:26:00 -
[809]
/signed ------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Atropos
I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" |
Arya Drottning
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:28:00 -
[810]
|
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Rebecca Ramos
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:28:00 -
[811]
Signed
|
Aryaine
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:30:00 -
[812]
|
Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:31:00 -
[813]
signing this just to test how much influence CSMs really have - putting the gist back into logistics |
Bad Borris
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:32:00 -
[814]
signed.
|
exxxie
The Scope
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:34:00 -
[815]
|
Jacque Custeau
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:36:00 -
[816]
Signed
An exploit of this magnitude requires full disclosure. How long has it been going on? How much ferrogel was introduced into the market because of it? How was it uncovered? -------------------
|
Johncrab
XBeyond
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:38:00 -
[817]
Agree. I want to know the names of every single alliance, corp and character that was in on this filthy cartel. |
Haldane IV
Einstein's Dreams
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:40:00 -
[818]
I agree with the OP
Signed
|
Tshien Tze
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:40:00 -
[819]
I'll sign...I don't need to know the "who" or even the specifics of the "how". But I would like to know the "extent" of the effects. Did this affect GTC's/ capital ship production & costs/ sovernty of space? I think at the very least these should be transparent as they truely do have an effect on all honest players.
|
Alien XS
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:41:00 -
[820]
|
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Imaur Valeth
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:41:00 -
[821]
It is only fair that we learn the extent and at the very least the alliances involved.
/signed |
Aragorn Angelus
Shade.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:42:00 -
[822]
Signed
|
Jukhta Mein
Domini Umbrus R.U.R.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:42:00 -
[823]
|
Claptonius
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:43:00 -
[824]
/signed
|
donVito Corleone
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:43:00 -
[825]
signed
|
Litiam Liani
NewDawn
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:44:00 -
[826]
|
Nova Satar
Shadow Company
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:45:00 -
[827]
signed,
open up before baby jesus judges you
|
Aikaterina Ning
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:46:00 -
[828]
|
Sierra Lima
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:46:00 -
[829]
Edited by: Sierra Lima on 11/12/2008 18:47:02 I know CCP don't normally name and shame, they don't even give a hint to the amount of isk farming that they deal with for instance. But in this case it's either something big, or someone quite incompetent.
I want to know what's going on for once.
RABBLE, RABBLE etc
|
Zaepho
JuBa Corp
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:50:00 -
[830]
Full Transparency and access to the CSM (due to their having NDAs to help cover the information they might gain from mucking about in the DBs with a CPP dev's assistance), with a full CSM report released with their findings Please.
Want to make a difference in the economy? Join the Party! eve-politico.net |
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Brendalin Kerr
The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:51:00 -
[831]
signed
|
Praesus Lecti
Blueprint Haus Shadow of xXDEATHXx
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:54:00 -
[832]
Signed. Full disclosure of all offenders from the individual(s) to the corporation(s) and on to the alliance(s).
|
Ender Fal
Destroyers Of the Freeworld THORN Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:57:00 -
[833]
CCP has said they have banned what 70+ accounts already?
Don't want or need to know the exact names but this demands a transparency not seen before by CCP.
|
Hannah Dottir
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 18:57:00 -
[834]
The full extend of these fraud will never be clear, but at least try...
|
Dei White
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:00:00 -
[835]
signed
|
Guth
Fatalix Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:04:00 -
[836]
must
|
Laiyna
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:06:00 -
[837]
simple: Agre on this one
|
Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:07:00 -
[838]
WTB CCP response now with clarity/transparency
Originally by: Frenden Dax My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
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Ilda Mrika
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:07:00 -
[839]
Signed. My soul will only rest when I see the full list. Give me names right now Oh, a comment of the acusation that ccp know's about this issue since the day starbases were deployed. |
roiddigger
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:08:00 -
[840]
signed
|
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ZEAs Helga
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:09:00 -
[841]
signed
|
Verlic
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:09:00 -
[842]
|
Rexi Calhoun
SUNDERING Zenith Affinity
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:12:00 -
[843]
After the previous "scandal" I feel that FULL disclosure is needed if CCP intends to have the continued backing of the Greater Eve Community. The extent of this "cheating" has and will have a vast impact on the game, some in ways we prolly have yet to see. Lets keep this honest and open so we dont have a massive drama bomb that will hurt the game we all love and loathe
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Burn Mac
The Tuskers
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:17:00 -
[844]
SIGNED! now where is that petition for Server reset?
|
XLR Eight
Viziam
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:19:00 -
[845]
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Marius Deterium
The Hull Miners Union
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:19:00 -
[846]
Name and shame. --- Mining hulls for the juicy goods inside.
Good...bad, I'm the guy with the gun. |
Solcypher
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:20:00 -
[847]
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Alaki Kant
Axiom Empire
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:23:00 -
[848]
|
Tryptic Photon
Mad Bombers Ushra'Khan
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:23:00 -
[849]
Edited by: Tryptic Photon on 11/12/2008 19:23:43 signed
|
Arthur Miller
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:24:00 -
[850]
Edited by: Arthur Miller on 11/12/2008 19:25:38 burn baby burn! signed |
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Fennore
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:27:00 -
[851]
|
Arkanjuca
D00M. Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:28:00 -
[852]
/signed
FA old timer AKA "the dude" |
M'erhold
Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:29:00 -
[853]
|
hilaw
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:32:00 -
[854]
No individuals, but a damage assesment.
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Amy Frost
eXceed Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:35:00 -
[855]
Originally by: t20 WE AER GIOGN FRO MROE BREE
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Braxo
Spathiwa Defenders
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:36:00 -
[856]
Edited by: Braxo on 11/12/2008 19:36:10 This would be a good oppertunity for the CSM's to prove their worth. The CSM's have been a matter of debate, let's see what they got. --- Captain Braxo - Manufacture & Production - Hadean Drive Yards |
Darth Hawkeye
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:39:00 -
[857]
signed
|
ajduB
Militaris Industries AKA-AHN KINGDOM
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:39:00 -
[858]
Originally by: Jim Lovell
Adjub im Shocked!
|
William Charmer
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:41:00 -
[859]
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Allanah
Caldari Caldari Provisions
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:42:00 -
[860]
Please, do not forget to mention this.
Quote: taken from eve-search http://eve-search.com/thread/216634/page/2#47
Maltroc
Posted - 2005.09.01 16:30:00 - [47] Edited by: Maltroc on 01/09/2005 16:31:30
Originally by: kieronWhat Hakera said is spot on. The directives for claim reimbursement that CCP has given the GM team is the most fair based on the tools available. To be honest, most companies have a zero reimbursement policy, so EVE is a bit more free than the others.
Kieron could you check your email (I know you receive loads and are quite busy :) because our corp suffered from POS exploit some time ago. We petioned the event with quite a bit of evidence (fraps, howto). The GM closed the petition while providing another "solution" for the events. This caused a lot of frustration. Their solution isn't possible the given game mechanics. A second unanswered petition is still going this ages without answer while the first was lost...
Now some days ago the same exploit happened again with another G POS.
Well you can guess that we are a bit frustrated since we provided information how it happened while we get told something that doesn't even work.
</understatement>
PS: I won't go into the details because it would just get the thread locked.
TeamSpeak/Vent and forum hosting services |
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Desparo
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:43:00 -
[861]
Totally agree. Many of us lost millions of ISK's to CCP because of server bugs and "empty" logs. Its a good time to review the whole process of how a few exploited the system for years while many of us have been exploited by CCP for cash.
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Real Poison
Stormlord Battleforce Vanguard.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:44:00 -
[862]
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Odewad
Geddonites
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:46:00 -
[863]
Spill da beans! ------
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5962/brightlc7.png
This ^^ sucks |
Ukiah
Imperium Technologies Sangre Azul
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:49:00 -
[864]
I have very little faith that this will matter, but I support this effort.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:49:00 -
[865]
Originally by: Red Katherine The moment this was revealed it became the most important problem/bug/fix/whatever in EVE.
This is going to reveal alot of CSM/CCP worth right here. Will they show they've learned from the previous scandals and will the CSM be A. active advocates of the players in a singularly important issue and B. respected enough by CCP for them to acknowledge the CSM's role.
Which aught to be if nothing else oversight and preferably advocates to get a more detailed and open account of what went on by whom. ---
Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam |
Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:53:00 -
[866]
sgwghwatgew Sig locked, please mail [email protected] with a new sig to be considered for use - Mitnal.
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Flow Befort
GoonFleet
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:54:00 -
[867]
sreegs
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Nilth Ra
Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:56:00 -
[868]
Signed.
I REALLY hope the "4 years" bit is a ****ing joke.
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FT Diomedes
Ductus Exemplo
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 19:58:00 -
[869]
Would like to see some more clarification from CCP, when they can give us definitive word. ------------ Improvize. Adapt. Overcome. |
Velvet69
eXceed Inc.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:01:00 -
[870]
IXC Velvet69 Proud Member of 'The House of Prawn' |
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Lofe sXe
Caldari SniggWaffe
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:06:00 -
[871]
Edited by: Lofe sXe on 11/12/2008 20:06:37 Signed
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Tiberius Doohan
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:07:00 -
[872]
Signed.
How long? heard 4 yrs is that just rumor or true? How many? Just a few bad eggs or very widespread? How much? How much damage to the economy has this actually caused?
I don't care who as long as they are out, employee or otherwise. "You kids have it easy, in my day Trolls had to use bridges." |
Trist Ian
Beyond Divinity Inc
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:08:00 -
[873]
100% agree
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Br127
Big Shadows Atlas Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:08:00 -
[874]
Support
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Nairb Ecrep
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:14:00 -
[875]
|
Olaf Magnussen
Alshain Defence Industries Shadow of xXDEATHXx
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:14:00 -
[876]
/signed
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Bellum Eternus
Death of Virtue
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:17:00 -
[877]
Supported!
Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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Threv Echandari
K Directorate
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:19:00 -
[878]
/signed CSM Time to Step up THIS is your hour and what your were made for. We want full disclosure, How long How much Who knew When did they know it
Name and shame! ---------------------------------------- Happiness is a Wet Pod
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:22:00 -
[879]
The reputation of all major alliances will be tainted forever unless CCP clarify, remove all doubt and speculation, as to who exactly was involved in this.
CCP have absolutely nothing to gain from keeping their names secret. They lose trust if they keep it secret. There's no good reason for making majority of EVE population suffer from wrongful accusations.
If CCP really cares for the good people in their game, they will clear their names.
CSM people - please add this argument to your case, I'm sure it would take a lot of convincing for CCP to do the right thing.
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:26:00 -
[880]
|
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Tekeran
Lone Star Joint Venture Wildly Inappropriate.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:28:00 -
[881]
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Bunyip
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:28:00 -
[882]
Well, it was a bit late, IMHO, but CCP finally resolved the issue. I give them kudos for making this front-page news, and commend them for releasing the statistics. We'll have to see how far the chief economist says it reached.
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
Hobby Cakes
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:29:00 -
[883]
/signed
|
Faxegio
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:31:00 -
[884]
|
Marianne Woods
Phoenix Researching
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:34:00 -
[885]
Edited by: Marianne Woods on 11/12/2008 20:34:27 /signed
|
Asaki Lilly
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:37:00 -
[886]
signed
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Jokurra
NeverMore EnterPrises
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:38:00 -
[887]
/signed.
Quote: Hierachy be damned, anarchists are the next step of evolution!
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Spawinte
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:41:00 -
[888]
Signed because the dirty details make it even more hilarious for those of us who don't really give a crap.
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Slinkus Gallentus
Infinite Order
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:41:00 -
[889]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 10/12/2008 22:16:12
There are allegations of an exploit allowing for the creation of advanced moon materials without the raw materials, in other words making T2 stuff without buying the expensive moon minerals. There are claims that exploitation of this bug was done for 4 years on a massive scale among several of the major powers resulting in trillions of ISK.
CCP has thus far only confirmed the exploits existence.
CCP is being less than forthcoming, perhaps they plan to be, perhaps they don't. Either way, I believe the CSM, our representatives should call for transparency on this issue.
We are talking about the possible fraudulent creation of tens of trillions of ISK worth of T2 materials leading to the rise and decline of supposedly several of the major alliances. This needs to be investigated transparently, and the results published and debated publicly.
Gets my vote.
cheers
"Life is not one big joke. Life is 40,000 little jokes all lined up" |
Velmak
Gray Hunters White Noise.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 20:46:00 -
[890]
|
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Qiurkian
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:51:00 -
[891]
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Alya Sunrise
P.B.C.H.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:54:00 -
[892]
signed
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Joker Deville
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:54:00 -
[893]
Yes
|
Hans Win
Gallente XYSTUS CONCILIUM
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:57:00 -
[894]
Yes
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Tanaa Rentac
Amarr A GmbH
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:58:00 -
[895]
signed Doubts? I 'm full of them! |
Thors Twins
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 20:59:00 -
[896]
signed
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Shoukei
Boobs Ahoy
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 21:06:00 -
[897]
The people demand to know!
|
D'ceet
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 21:19:00 -
[898]
big signed.
Originally by: Popperr
I resent the insinuation that we have intelligence, artificial or otherwise.
|
Testeri
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 21:26:00 -
[899]
signed
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Meriones
Shiva Morsus Mihi
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 21:32:00 -
[900]
Signed |
|
beerbuster
Infinity Enterprises Atlas Alliance
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 21:35:00 -
[901]
signed nullLinkage http://ineve.net |
Faekurias
Black Legion Command Black Legion.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 21:35:00 -
[902]
Of course! ------------------ Recruiting..
|
Limited Knowledge
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 21:40:00 -
[903]
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Kaiser128
Surge. Red Box.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 21:43:00 -
[904]
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MK Dom
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 21:47:00 -
[905]
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Edited by: Scagga Laebetrovo on 10/12/2008 22:29:25 I would support this, that a detailed report about the issue and its impact is made known to the players.
Edit: But please guys, I think it is at least fair to thank CCP for fixing this!
Four years after the fact. Epic fail ccp...
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Kurlieu
Gallente The Ore House
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 21:48:00 -
[906]
Sign me up.
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Jake Solaris
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 21:49:00 -
[907]
/signed
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Zarak1 Kenpach1
R.E.C.O.N.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 21:51:00 -
[908]
Signed. I hate to bring up the evil empire of WoW but **** like this doesnt happen there. What a shame. Things like this just wreak of poor management within ccp's organization. I wasnt around for the whole BOB scandal but i did hear of it. Shame on all of us for thinking they would change.
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Elder Langley
Langley Trading and Holdings
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Posted - 2008.12.11 21:52:00 -
[909]
Edited by: Elder Langley on 11/12/2008 21:51:57 /Signed
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Cannizza
BGG
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 21:55:00 -
[910]
/signed
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GrandMoff Smakdy
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 21:56:00 -
[911]
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Stop being so scandalous!
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Dominatus Crispus
Nation of Muppets
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 21:58:00 -
[912]
signed... ____________________
ravetrax.com ... player owned and operated |
Miss CutieTrader
Sandline International Trading Corp
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 22:02:00 -
[913]
Signed
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theme pending
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:02:00 -
[914]
A great test for the CSM, and with their comments in this thread, the outlook is good.
RIP EV0KE
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:06:00 -
[915]
The CSM should be able to find out the facts due to the NDA, so it's a double test for CCP; Both honouring the NDA and Transparency to the player-base.
2nd CSM - Don't let us down on either point!
≡v≡ Strategic Maps in Eve-Online Store | eve-maps.com |
Lue Tango
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 22:11:00 -
[916]
Signed.
How deep is the rabbit hole?
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Xeovar Stoner
Pink Bunnies C0VEN
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 22:14:00 -
[917]
Endorsed -- "Learning is not compulsory... neither is survival. "
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Dire Lonestar
Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 22:18:00 -
[918]
Signed
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Nebuchadnezzar I
Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:26:00 -
[919]
Signed.
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zaruxa
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 22:26:00 -
[920]
|
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Tozmeister
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 22:27:00 -
[921]
here here!
+++????+++Out of Cheese Error. Redo From Start+++
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Dr Fujikara
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 22:31:00 -
[922]
An explanation would be nice.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 22:35:00 -
[923]
Originally by: Bunyip Well, it was a bit late, IMHO, but CCP finally resolved the issue. I give them kudos for making this front-page news, and commend them for releasing the statistics. We'll have to see how far the chief economist says it reached.
Resolved it not quite the word i'd use to describe it. ---
Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam |
Pbs
Pumpkin Scissors
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 22:43:00 -
[924]
Long death to CCP
Signed
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Ilda Mrika
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 22:45:00 -
[925]
Edited by: Ilda Mrika on 11/12/2008 22:45:46 oops, wrong thread |
Neechi HollanderDanny
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.11 22:48:00 -
[926]
signed
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Cardassius
Seraphin Technologies Ev0ke
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 22:52:00 -
[927]
signed
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kyzzack
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 22:57:00 -
[928]
/signed |
Sexy Moped
N Goch Blaned Ddiwydiannau
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 23:16:00 -
[929]
Signed
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Killa Babe'Ruth
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 23:17:00 -
[930]
Also signing my alt up for this, more info on this!
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Fennore
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 23:18:00 -
[931]
Quote: Edited by: Decimus Octavius on 10/12/2008 23:40:37 Edited by: Decimus Octavius on 10/12/2008 23:40:37 Edited by: Decimus Octavius on 10/12/2008 23:39:35 from eve-online.de comes this
Quote:Hello Every one
I would like to tell you a short eve story Today all of my EvE Online accounts were banned I was sure that this day would come. What surprises me is that it took CCP this long to catch up with me. Even though they knew about it.
But now to the story:
The time is November 2004. The EvE Universe is excited about the Starbase patch. The new System Sov. is introduced. The face of Eve has changed. How right they are.
Two weeks after Patch day we built our first POS. We wanted a piece of the moon mining pie and also wanted to figure out how it word as none of us knew exactly. After our first try we were aggravated that we could get it working and decided to try again the next day to finish our project. The next day to our amazment we found that the silos in our unfinished POS chain were full. After a short time we found out the reason for this phenomenon. The POS system was BUGGED. Of course a petition was sent to CCP to make them aware of this situation and the answer was sobering.
ôYour petition has been receivedö CLOSE
But the phenomenon was still there. After a week we decided what to do. We built a POS network that included over a dozen POSÆs in lowsec and checked the market prices. After a short look we decided on Ferrogel and Fermionic Condensates.
The Story today.
The expanse of this so far is probably lost on most people so I would like to make a few facts clear. In the past 4 jears we are talking about ISK in value of 2.500.000.000.000 ISK to 3.000.000.000.000 ISK. ThatÆs 2500 û 3000 billion. Everyone that owns a T2 item can bet that it was build in part from resources due to this phenomenon. At this point I would like to thank CCP for making it possible to buy GTCÆs with ISK. So much about us.
What the other 3 large alliances did with this knowledge is unknown to me. But I can tell you that weÆve sat with coverts in front of POS chains and watched it happen.
Titans are expensive !
In closing.
Some IÆm sure will say ôwell are you proud of yourself?ö or ôYou cheater-exploiterö I only have one thing to say to that. . This issue allowed me to play Eve how and when I liked. It didnÆt matter what item or what happened in Eve. I spent ISK with out thinking about the price. I havenÆt paid a cent for any of my Eve accounts for 4 years now. And have had many amusing moments reading posts in EVE-O.
I donÆt know you and to be honest Eve and most of you I could care less about. But my thanks go out to you all, you were wonderful statistics on this virtual stage.
Regards,
The Writer
I dont know but id like to hear from ccp internal investigations regarding any previous petitions in regards to this bug (if any) and why if such petitions did exist were they closed without the bug being fixed.
Very good point.
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Xiaodown
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:18:00 -
[932]
yep. --
Sig under construction.
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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:30:00 -
[933]
Signed.
Proof one more time that games with online fees are not any more secure from scammers and cheaters than free games. Theoretically pay-to-play mmos have more resources to weed out cheats, but in reality, people have even more drive and incentive to find ways to cheat knowing how hard it is to gain virtual currency in such mmos.
The only way to ever make this right is to take away all the extra isk made through exploits and ban accounts permanently. It sucks to keep playing the game knowing that there are people out there that can crash the market with their endless money any time they want to, or buy a ten thousand titans with practically no effort, when making the same amount through casual playing would take many lifetimes. (Heh, I bet immediately, someone will come in and say "Well, dont play then!" lol)
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Hyjinx McStagger
Elko Bail Bonds
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:32:00 -
[934]
Signed It's a game, not a job! |
Kansas Winndu
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:32:00 -
[935]
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Saarin
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:35:00 -
[936]
signed
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Kirra Liu
Gemini Industries Inc Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:38:00 -
[937]
/signed
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minergreg
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 23:38:00 -
[938]
signed
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Truxzov
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 23:41:00 -
[939]
/signed
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Eyar
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:44:00 -
[940]
/signed
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Ceo Natala
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 23:45:00 -
[941]
/signed
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Olga Mokroff
School of Applied Knowledge
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 23:48:00 -
[942]
Edited by: Olga Mokroff on 11/12/2008 23:48:03 unoriginal signed
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Atari Starfire
Imperial Academy
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 23:48:00 -
[943]
/signed
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Cynofieldgen
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 23:51:00 -
[944]
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headweapon
Thrace Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:51:00 -
[945]
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Ceo natalie
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 23:52:00 -
[946]
/signed
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Eyar02
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 23:53:00 -
[947]
/signed
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Jacklin D
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:54:00 -
[948]
Edited by: Jacklin D on 11/12/2008 23:53:57 /signed
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Jin eyar
|
Posted - 2008.12.11 23:56:00 -
[949]
/signed
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Drzt
Domini Umbrus R.U.R.
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Posted - 2008.12.11 23:59:00 -
[950]
Abso-tootly /signed Adapt or die. |
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NereSky
Domination. Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:06:00 -
[951]
I vote for full disclosure and transparancy in regard to this, name and shame
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MMXMMX
Caldari
|
Posted - 2008.12.12 00:08:00 -
[952]
signed
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Esme Nomarra
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:10:00 -
[953]
Edited by: Esme Nomarra on 12/12/2008 00:11:08 It's important to all of us to know how long this exploit was going on - if it was four years, then we know we can expect turbulence on the markets as things adjust to the new (proper) situation. If it was only a matter of weeks, then we know that the effect would be minimal. And whilst it would certainly be highly embarassing for CCP if the exploit has indeed lasted four years, better to admit it, if it is so, than to say nothing. And of course, if it turns out that the claim of the exploit existing for 4 years is inaccurate, it's important that we know that as soon as possible too, so that confidence in CCP isnt dented too badly.
Personally, I would like to know the names of the Corps and Alliances that made use of this exploit, and what reparations are being exacted from them in punishment. If possible some published proof thereof would be nice, although I can well understand that that might be awkward to provide. Justice is best when it is not merely done, but is SEEN to be done.
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Irida Mershkov
El Bastardos EVESpace
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:10:00 -
[954]
Originally by: NereSky I vote for full disclosure and transparancy in regard to this, name and shame
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the rainingdeath
The humble Crew
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:15:00 -
[955]
singed
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Verite Rendition
F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:27:00 -
[956]
/signed ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
OZEPATHAN
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:28:00 -
[957]
Count me in Please resize signature to the maximum allowed size of 400 x 120 pixels. Navigator |
Hugo Kaviene
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:29:00 -
[958]
Vote Yes on Transparency! ----------------------------
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Dissociactive
Solar Dragons SOLAR FLEET
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:37:00 -
[959]
Signed pew pew |
Dough Boy198
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:40:00 -
[960]
agree
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Jahorscovich
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:43:00 -
[961]
Supported, let's get some names and digits
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Alois Hammer
Minmatar Dinochrome Brigade Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:43:00 -
[962]
signed
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LabBunny
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Posted - 2008.12.12 00:47:00 -
[963]
signed
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Keith Katar
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.12.12 01:07:00 -
[964]
/Signed. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Kei Masaki
Erebus Innovations
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Posted - 2008.12.12 01:08:00 -
[965]
/Signed
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TSAChaoticGhost
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.12.12 01:09:00 -
[966]
/ signed
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Aragane
Ferrozoica
|
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:11:00 -
[967]
I'd like to see how deep this rabbit hole goes. |
Olleybear
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.12 01:16:00 -
[968]
I agree with the poster. Issues like this are THEreason the CSM was made.
<<< From one warrior to another: Whether you fight with me or against me, the willingness to fight makes us brothers. >>> |
Gilgamoth
Eldritch Storm The Matari Consortium
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Posted - 2008.12.12 01:18:00 -
[969]
+1
Live on Eden Underground Radio every Wednesday 19:00 - 21:00 GMT. |
Katana Sengoku
The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.12 01:24:00 -
[970]
Edited by: Katana Sengoku on 12/12/2008 01:24:03 I support... and if this doesn't happen, one less account. I'm tired of CCP ****ups.
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takeaway1031
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 01:30:00 -
[971]
o/ signed pls expose those involved. As I'm sure certain groups will come up, it sucks that those not involved of it will be affected. example: We all know anything with in BoB gose thru molle yet I never see his acct banned but im sure some of his lackies will get the big stick. Same gose for others alliances involved, but bob being so well known in scandles makes the best known.
Unfortunatly i see a week of rants from players and again a brush it under the rug responce from ccp if we get one at all in the near future.
please CCP for once do whats right list those involved follow the money, Cause i'm sure otherwise they'll be claims made years down the road of those that got away with it on the next scadle. Who cares if you list names of players and what alliance there from there banned anyways but others in game may know of alts you missed...
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Foolish Bob
The Dirty Rotten Scoundrels
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Posted - 2008.12.12 01:50:00 -
[972]
public approbation of the chaps seems well in order.
also forward the subsidiary motion that the avatars of said be edited to show tarring and feathering of these miscreants
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barvo
ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:08:00 -
[973]
signed
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abraheam
Dirty Denizens
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:10:00 -
[974]
I would like to see more information please.
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Phelix Jung
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:18:00 -
[975]
signed
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Max Portis
Rennfeuer
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:34:00 -
[976]
Signed.
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Vicious Libido
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:35:00 -
[977]
Signed.
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LOL56
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Posted - 2008.12.12 02:46:00 -
[978]
please tell us WTH is going on, thanks
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miStarica
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Posted - 2008.12.12 03:34:00 -
[979]
Signed
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Cpt Underpants
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2008.12.12 03:38:00 -
[980]
|
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Halwith Virta
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Posted - 2008.12.12 03:39:00 -
[981]
Edited by: Halwith Virta on 12/12/2008 03:39:41 */ signed
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Kuroko Rei
Bellum Aeternus Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.12.12 03:43:00 -
[982]
aye supported
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TimeCode Seller
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.12.12 04:16:00 -
[983]
signed.
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Miyamoto Isoruku
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 04:17:00 -
[984]
/signed. Full audit would be nice... Dr. Eyjo?
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Dennaede Quango
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Posted - 2008.12.12 04:31:00 -
[985]
Edited by: Dennaede Quango on 12/12/2008 04:32:21 I remember getting killed by a BoB Sabre (among others in a fleet) back in 2006.
In 2007 I was (relatively) angered to hear about their secret source, half a year after it became known to CCP.
IA and CSM were introduced as a result of this, judging by the number of votes in this thread, the people have spoken.
I want to know who was involved in this latest situation, who was privy to the information and who profited...
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Miss Artica
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.12 04:34:00 -
[986]
Signed.
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Admiral Dan
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Posted - 2008.12.12 04:49:00 -
[987]
Signed.
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Xindi Kraid
Cerulean Sky Fire Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:13:00 -
[988]
We demand transparency.
How extensive is this issue and how long has it been going on for?
We also demand that any resources and persons related to this exploit be razed down the the ground of the nearest planetoid. We also demand that CCP takes a more active role in discovering and fixing exploits, If this was petitioned 4 years ago then it should have been fixed AT LEAST three and a half years ago. -Xindi Kraid CSFI lead engineer and shipwright
Improve POS cargo access |
Shmekla
Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 05:57:00 -
[989]
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Midfielder
Red Assault Brigades United Legion
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:33:00 -
[990]
Signed!
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AlexHunter
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:37:00 -
[991]
Yes.
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Clansy
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:40:00 -
[992]
Edited by: Clansy on 12/12/2008 06:40:04 Yes
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SajuukThanatoskhar
The Zoo
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:44:00 -
[993]
Supporting this
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Nesira
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:54:00 -
[994]
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Argonicus
Wastion Dominion W.A.S.T.Y.A.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 06:59:00 -
[995]
Signed, found them all
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Roymundo
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:30:00 -
[996]
signed.
ban all corps involved.
destroy all the items they own and wipe clean their portion of 0.0.
ccp, you need to send us all a signal once and for all that you actually discourage this kind of behaviour.
and no, we don't care if its bob doing this. ban em if they are.
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iulixxi
EVE-RO
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:32:00 -
[997]
---------------------------------- EVE Online - Romania www.eve-ro.net |
Paparihuana
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:48:00 -
[998]
singed
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Mikhale Romanov
Black Hats Delta
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Posted - 2008.12.12 07:56:00 -
[999]
GOGO SCAMS. But on a cereal note, are you guys foreeal CCP? **** like this has been happening since the inception of eve it seems. How the hell did CCP miss this for 4 years. This pre-dates the T20 crap (kinda funny tie in too.. T2 mats+t2 BPO's). ZOMG Communism! |
Taoism
Mentis Fidelis Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:07:00 -
[1000]
cavity searches all around!!!
In all seriousness there needs to be an accounting of the involvement and reach of this exploit.
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Carden
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:09:00 -
[1001]
signed
The mods fear my attack gerbil!
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James C00K
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:13:00 -
[1002]
Signed |
SkwisgaarSkwigelf
C.R.M Productions Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:26:00 -
[1003]
Signed in blood.
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Soushi
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:38:00 -
[1004]
Supported.
Such massive-scale exploits must be investigated thoroughly.
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Franks Aoado
Sturmgrenadier Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:48:00 -
[1005]
Signed |
Stygian Knight
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Posted - 2008.12.12 08:53:00 -
[1006]
signed
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CALDIRIA
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Posted - 2008.12.12 09:26:00 -
[1007]
signed for more vodka....umm the truth
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maya ibuki2
54th Knights Templar THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 09:35:00 -
[1008]
Originally by: Arianhod Haruhiists demand heads roll over this.
qft, suzumiya sama shant stand for less! maya ibuki2-currently thorn alliance pvper, proud member of the 54th knights templar and genral shooty type |
Acharan
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Posted - 2008.12.12 09:48:00 -
[1009]
transparency is what any good government will provide. we don't want code... we want data dumps that are then further organized... lets say starting with the banned accounts and the total values on those accounts plus corps, and alliances. then i suggest going into logs and seeing who they've given stuff to wholesale for the production of all the massive capital ships.
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SSMX VEGETA
Lethal Corp RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2008.12.12 09:51:00 -
[1010]
signed
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Ametiz
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Posted - 2008.12.12 09:58:00 -
[1011]
signed
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ASA VIKING
|
Posted - 2008.12.12 10:03:00 -
[1012]
Edited by: ASA VIKING on 12/12/2008 10:04:21 Signed |
Shaddn Arakh
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:04:00 -
[1013]
Signed. We need a thorough statement of the extent of the exploit, we need precise names and details, and we need to know that actions have been taken. Ban the players, seize their money is not enough -- everyone who profiteered here needs to be banned.
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JoelCoen
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:26:00 -
[1014]
I doubt we will get the truth but I support the motion none the less....
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Orb Vex
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:27:00 -
[1015]
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destruction monkey
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:29:00 -
[1016]
signed
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DaemonExodus
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.12.12 10:37:00 -
[1017]
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Dasfry
Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:11:00 -
[1018]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
We are talking about the possible fraudulent creation of tens of trillions of ISK worth of T2 materials leading to the rise and decline of supposedly several of the major alliances. This needs to be investigated transparently, and the results published and debated publicly.
I'm in favor of Transparency *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation
Military Tactics |
Sovarin
Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:18:00 -
[1019]
Signed.
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Pronas
Scoopex Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:21:00 -
[1020]
signed -- Scoopex CEO Scoopex is Recruting |
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:26:00 -
[1021]
Name & Shame
All the stuff above does not necessarily reflect my corp, my alliance or even me.. Drone guide.. |
gordon861
PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:30:00 -
[1022]
/signed
I'm sure CCP will claim that under data protection they can't name any 'players' that are banned. But we aren't asking you to name the 'players' we want the 'pod pilot' names these, are not protected by data protection due to the fact that they aren't real people and belong to CCP.
Originally by: CCP Arkanon I frown on employees being power players to the extent that their gameplay results in any sort of domination over others. I donÆt believe CCP employees should run the EVE universe. |
MS Stanis
Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:40:00 -
[1023]
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Mi Lin
A Few Killers
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:42:00 -
[1024]
/signed Don't always walk on the smooth roads, walk ways that no one has travelled before, so as to leave behind traces and not only dust ...
<Antoine de Saint-ExupTry - The little Prince> |
Dexter Greenman
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:47:00 -
[1025]
yes
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Munsahtan
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:47:00 -
[1026]
signed
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Imuran
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:50:00 -
[1027]
Realistically it is unlikley that we would see pod pilots names but I would like to know
Corps Involved Amount of Items involved How Long its being going on Approx Isk involved Plans to prevent it happening again (better data mining monitoring?)
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Ehris Bok
Stellar Research Incorporated DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:56:00 -
[1028]
yep name them & shame them
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Moo Master
Radically Awesome People Eaters La Cosa Nostra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 11:59:00 -
[1029]
/signed ---------------------------------------------- Violence is not the answer. It is the question. The answer is yes. |
place1
New Eden Research Organisation StarFleet Federation
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:05:00 -
[1030]
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groak
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:41:00 -
[1031]
Signature removed. Unsuitable for EVE forums. Navigator |
gorak cz
Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:43:00 -
[1032]
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Industry Queen
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:48:00 -
[1033]
Edited by: Industry Queen on 12/12/2008 12:48:38 Agrred on make this one transparancy.
As it will affect all eve players. Some harder as others but if true we all will be hit. |
Brother Benthor
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.12 12:49:00 -
[1034]
name & shame plix
-BACK SOON- |
Johnnokks
Caldari Stormlord Battleforce Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:06:00 -
[1035]
signed... name and shame.
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Tronjay
Caldari THE INSURGENCY DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:08:00 -
[1036]
SIGNED.
Also it would be only fair to disband the alliances involved, strip them from all assets and distribute the involved amount of isk amongst all other Alliances in EVE. Furthermore the banned accounts have to be unbanned but stripped from all assets and isk. CCP be fair, this exploit is a crime comitted towards the (fairer part of)Evecommunity.
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Jerus Light
The Mission
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:34:00 -
[1037]
Signed
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Neb ULar
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:42:00 -
[1038]
signed
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Kendolph
Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:43:00 -
[1039]
Signed
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senza nome
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:52:00 -
[1040]
yes
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Minny Sky
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Posted - 2008.12.12 13:53:00 -
[1041]
Course. Why would anything else be appectable.
CCP knows this and they are #$^&% themselves about what to do next.
-- oh yeah
I want my stuff back
k thx
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Grant Smith
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2008.12.12 14:01:00 -
[1042]
signed
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Block Ukx
Block Ships and Ammunitions
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Posted - 2008.12.12 14:06:00 -
[1043]
BSAC Mineral Market Manipulation (MinMa) Information Desk |
BogWopit
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.12 14:18:00 -
[1044]
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Duffy Duck
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Posted - 2008.12.12 14:24:00 -
[1045]
Signed
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Nick Partridge
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Posted - 2008.12.12 14:26:00 -
[1046]
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Gromilia
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Posted - 2008.12.12 14:36:00 -
[1047]
/Signed
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Volucer S
Noob Fight Club Noob Fleet
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Posted - 2008.12.12 14:41:00 -
[1048]
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Dianalexia
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Posted - 2008.12.12 14:52:00 -
[1049]
signed
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mindycs
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Posted - 2008.12.12 14:53:00 -
[1050]
/Signed.
Painful now... SOOO much better in the long run to have a player-base that trusts you...
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.12.12 14:57:00 -
[1051]
Sorry to go back a bit in the thread, but I'm catching up and wanted to respond specifically to something from you said earlier that I think is very important for CCP/CSM and indeed the player community here.
Originally by: LaVista Vista Well. First of all, I kicked off this process. Please understand that CCP does not want to discuss exploits under any circumstances, not even with the CSM.
Well, I think this might be one of those defining moments in Eve history where the rules need to be changed. This is potentially well beyond the simple kind of exploit where one player cheats and is punished and everyone carries on regardless. If what has happened here is anywhere near the scope we fear, then it has had a major impact on the game of eve online and its important that the air is cleared and we can see who is guilty and (more importantly) who is innocent in the realm of 0.0 politics and alliance game.
I'm not personally a fan of "name and shame" for ordinary transgressions and bans from personal exploits and minor villainy - but cheating on this scale demands more transparency and far more extensive disclosure of what has happened, how, and in which ways it impacted the political balance of 0.0.
We also need a far more detailed response from CCP on how long the exploit has been running and how it was missed. Is it really the case that the first time this was noticed was in the recent petition or was it reported earlier (as allegeded on 3rd party forums)? If it was known about a long time ago what went wrong?
Quote: I will however have to ask everybody to manage their expectations. Please don't expect anything. CCP's stance is clear at this point. We might be able to work something out with them so we can make more people happy.
Important to note that its not for players to manage their expectations - players obviously want to know whats going on here. If the exploit is on the scale it appears then there is a need to restore faith and trust again and assure us that all those responsible have been appropriately punished. We also need to know what happened to the proceeds of cheating - where did the ISK go? Which bpos got bought? Which titans were made? Which alliances were advantaged as a result?
Basically Lavista - I didn't vote for you last time because I lacked much faith in you being able to deliver results in a crisis. Time to prove me wrong. And for the people I did vote for, Ank, Omber, Pattern, - please get in there and don't take no for an answer. Its vital we get great transparency on this issue. This isn't an ordinary exploit, its not a case of ordinary bannings and naughty individuals being protected from the results of their shame. There is a need for the eve player base to know the full truth now otherwise ALL 0.0 POS owning entities are going to get viewed with suspicion henceforth and that isn't good for the game.
CSM was created in part as a result to the poor first response to the t20 scandal. Time to learn those lessons and give the degree of disclosure required to truly restore public confidence. And frankly - if you get stonewalled on this stuff you should be considering your positions not running spin.
Quote: Any direct information, names, numbers of titan and what not people have requested, I will personally be VERY MUCH against that CCP discloses. It's unreasonable to expect and it will *NOT* help anything to the situation. It will only serve the people who wants to create drama in the forum.
Names I agree on. But I do want to know which corporations, which alliances, how much ISK and where it went. And I do want to know how many titans got produced with this illicit income.
This situation created the drama. The cheats created the drama. CCP/CSM can control and reduce the drama but giving appropriate focus and transparency to this issue. Sweeping it under the carpet will not make it go away so again I urge you to be tough this weekend and get the answers we need.
ISSUE - Bring back live events |
Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:05:00 -
[1052]
Red letter day in history, but ingame drama aside: This ^^ In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Butzew
SRBI Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:06:00 -
[1053]
...
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Mark'us Ksir
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:13:00 -
[1054]
Signed
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Eszencia
Unknown Element Research
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:32:00 -
[1055]
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:38:00 -
[1056]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: LaVista Vista First of all, I kicked off this process. Please understand that CCP does not want to discuss exploits under any circumstances, not even with the CSM.
Well, I think this might be one of those defining moments in Eve history where the rules need to be changed. This is potentially well beyond the simple kind of exploit where one player cheats and is punished and everyone carries on regardless. If what has happened here is anywhere near the scope we fear, then it has had a major impact on the game of eve online and its important that the air is cleared and we can see who is guilty and (more importantly) who is innocent in the realm of 0.0 politics and alliance game.
Quote: update regarding the starbase exploit reported by GM Grimmi | 2008.12.11 13:29:29 | NEW
Update: This matter will be brought up at a CSM and CCP meeting this upcoming weekend.
I think this show that the CSM is getting somewhere.
We need a bit of patience as CCP too must keep up with the investigations. And surely they will check all the CSM members and surrogates before the meeting.
Strong disclaimer: I am not implying anything and especially that any CSM member or alternate has anything to do with this.
Simply it is a good procedure to check the people with wick you will be disclosing relevant data before doing that.
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elric gallach
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:38:00 -
[1057]
If its alliances that have done this,????
Do THEY have members on the CSM. If so how can the csm be involved, in the process of put it right.
CCP needs to be open about this. VERY OPEN
JUSTICE TO BE DONE MUST BE SEEN TO BE DONE
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Aypse
Infecti0n
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:40:00 -
[1058]
Supportin dis thred
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SSgt Sniper
MAIDS
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:46:00 -
[1059]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Massive content.
This is exactly why I wish you had run for another go in the CSM. You have your haters, but you have backbone I'm afraid some of the other members of the panel may not have.
Reconsider for next go round please.
And yes, I support this product and/or service. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.Poor PR in progress!
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Plundaar
Gallente Golden Orb Technology inc
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Posted - 2008.12.12 15:53:00 -
[1060]
well, they're having a meeting. I hope they intend to make this public.
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Xe na
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 16:06:00 -
[1061]
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Suva Orefinger
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Posted - 2008.12.12 16:08:00 -
[1062]
Signed.
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Lord Orefinger
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Posted - 2008.12.12 16:09:00 -
[1063]
Signed and approved.
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Tappits
Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 16:26:00 -
[1064]
This needs tracing all the way back, every one must be punished for this. ---------------------------------------------- Pro BOB????? I fail At forums |
JIexa21
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Posted - 2008.12.12 16:26:00 -
[1065]
!!!
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Eterador
Standing Issues
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Posted - 2008.12.12 16:36:00 -
[1066]
Supported, specifically regarding the supposed petitions/bug reports that were submitted when this exploit was first discovered. I've heard vague references and allegations regarding something called ghost mining over the last couple of years, I'm guessing this was it. Just how was it missed for this long?
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Celik Vernon
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Posted - 2008.12.12 16:48:00 -
[1067]
Jumping on the bandwagon of the "i want blood" people.
On another note, i wonder how the players that did not get banned but were drinking from the faucet of free flowing isk will fare once they have to actually earn their keep
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Lady Explosion
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:08:00 -
[1068]
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ParaTroop
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:10:00 -
[1069]
How can this have continued for four years? It's going to (and has) cause a rift in relations between CCP and the EvE community, transparency is the only way CCP can address this issue without further damaging trust.
Signed
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p4wl
Domini Umbrus R.U.R.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:10:00 -
[1070]
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:30:00 -
[1071]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
If what has happened here is anywhere near the scope we fear, then it has had a major impact on the game of eve online and its important that the air is cleared and we can see who is guilty and (more importantly) who is innocent in the realm of 0.0 politics and alliance game.
It's not a case of one player, or even a small isolated group of players. In the T20 scandal, it was clear: A CCP employee was giving players in BOB, and bob only, free stuff.
The scope of this was vast, and has been confirmed as far reaching by CCP itself. We need to know exactly how far because it's already been confirmed to be multi alliance and over 70 characters on the INITIAL RESPONSE. We need to know which corps and alliances weren't involved as much as we do those who were, otherwise many groups (including those to whom CSM are members of) will constantly operate with this scandal over their heads.
Investigate, dig deep, punish the offenders and/or remove the ISK, and put the information out so we know what happened and can move on as a community. Truth and Reconcilitation Commisions work for a reason. As long as the suspicion is allowed to continue the issue will never be truely settled. ---
Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam |
Nicoli Malthus
The First Somerset Strikers
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:40:00 -
[1072]
I'd like some answers please, where are our answers??
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The PitBoss
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:42:00 -
[1073]
Edited by: The PitBoss on 12/12/2008 17:47:39
WELL After 36 pages and collecting my thoughts ... Time for me to put in my 2 cents.
I've played and payed for the my subscription for ALMOST 5 years straight. Over that time I've witnessed ALOT of changes in the game. Some for the worst MOST for the better.
I ENJOY my hobby of playing this particular MMORPG. I've managed to play by the rules AND thoroughly enjoyed the game. BUT this exploit REALLY FRUSTRATES me.
To say that it was a 'select few involved' is ludicrous. YOU KNOW EVERYONE associated with the corp/alliance benefited (NO MATTER HOW LITTLE) and Had some IDEA something was up.
====================
To the specific corp/alliances who are in violation:
F uck YOUR apology
... and THANKS for ruining my faith in the GAME and my hobby.
WHO Likes to play a game when they are constantly put at a disadvantage from a GROUP of players ... Allegedly for the LAST 4 years !?!
- How many battles have I BARELY lost cuz some A$$hole made T2 items within the buying range of EVERYONE.
- How many people who produce T2 items aren't as well off isk wise as they should be because some A$$hole flooded the market with cheap goods.
- How many times have I killed a T2 fitted ship ONLY to cash the mods in and get shyte for ISK.
- HOW much Real-Life money did these people make off the exploit ... think about it .. BUY up GTCs and sell them for Real-Life money for less than the NORMAL price to their buddies ...
====================
ANWAY, I can go on and on ...
I DEMAND answers ... Punish them how you see fit BUT i want:
1. Names involved. 2. Corporations / Alliances involved. 3. The extent of the damage to the game. 4. What actions will be taken to ENSURE a LEVEL playing field for ALL subscribers.
====================
The way CCP handles this one WILL dictate if I continue to subscribe to their product -OR- make other arrangements to depart the game and move on to another MMORGP that can appease me CUSTOMER SERVICE wise.
PS: No you can't haz my stuff
Thank-You,
The Pitboss
Signatures by: Kalen Vox |
Arimathea Anthalas
Game-Over
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Posted - 2008.12.12 17:59:00 -
[1074]
.
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Shanzem
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.12 18:01:00 -
[1075]
. -------------------------------------------
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Darin Raltin
Two Brothers Mining Corp. Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 18:22:00 -
[1076]
.
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Zarch AlDain
Hematite Rose Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.12.12 19:08:00 -
[1077]
I agree, at the very least it needs to be announced which corps and alliances are responsible and how much/what has been removed from them.
If nothing else the fact that we have seen X field 3 Titans in the past means they still have an advantage of us assuming they still have 3 Titans even if they have all been removed unless CCP tells us they have been removed.
---
My corp is recruiting. Check out our recruitment thread here.
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Dismus
Universal Star
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Posted - 2008.12.12 19:08:00 -
[1078]
Originally by: Draeca Domi isn't ugly, it actually looks quite symphatic. I mean, a crossbreed of a whale and a potato.. Now how cute is that?
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zombiedeadhead
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.12 19:45:00 -
[1079]
Internet Drama Gotta love Eve for this
But seriously, supported, we need to know.
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Karrade Krise
Galatic P0RN Starz
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Posted - 2008.12.12 19:50:00 -
[1080]
signed
Voluntold, New Webcomic
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Cerlestes
Jagdkommando RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.12 19:56:00 -
[1081]
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LC Sulla
House Mekarae
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Posted - 2008.12.12 20:03:00 -
[1082]
Not so interested in every name, alliance and all that. Just how extensive all this is in the market. Kind of a pain to work and struggle when a few were bleeding the cash cow for free.
:/ ------------------
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Lars Matterson
Woopatang
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Posted - 2008.12.12 20:19:00 -
[1083]
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Brador
Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.12.12 20:35:00 -
[1084]
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Upvvay
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Posted - 2008.12.12 20:48:00 -
[1085]
Edited by: Upvvay on 12/12/2008 20:48:50 Signed
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Trojden's
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Posted - 2008.12.12 20:51:00 -
[1086]
Signed
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Cherybol
Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.12.12 21:05:00 -
[1087]
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Dorsa
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Posted - 2008.12.12 21:33:00 -
[1088]
Signed
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Listra Letoille
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Posted - 2008.12.12 21:37:00 -
[1089]
/signed
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Voltas Stormtide
Bagman's Bookkeeping Services LLC
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Posted - 2008.12.12 22:04:00 -
[1090]
Signed. Nothing short of a full expose will do.
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Crimson Hellkite
Gallentean-Minmatar Space POS Anchoring Service
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Posted - 2008.12.12 22:18:00 -
[1091]
/signed
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Xailz
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.12.12 22:18:00 -
[1092]
/Xailz ------ I came, i saw, i posted **** ITT.
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helpmeconcord
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Posted - 2008.12.12 22:37:00 -
[1093]
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Master Lomazter
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Posted - 2008.12.12 22:47:00 -
[1094]
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Plan R
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Posted - 2008.12.12 22:56:00 -
[1095]
/sine!
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Oron
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Posted - 2008.12.12 22:58:00 -
[1096]
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Zanpt
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Posted - 2008.12.12 23:21:00 -
[1097]
We want transparency.
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Konkubienchen
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Posted - 2008.12.12 23:21:00 -
[1098]
/signed! |
Batolemaeus
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.12 23:23:00 -
[1099]
+1 ----------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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ishkabibble
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.12.12 23:34:00 -
[1100]
+1 Always remember that it's never your fault when you lose.Ö |
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Ingor Torbu
SPANI Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.12.12 23:39:00 -
[1101]
+1
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Anne Archer
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Posted - 2008.12.12 23:50:00 -
[1102]
What I really want to know is: Did CCP really receive multiple petitions/bug reports on this over the years and not say anything until it came out on a third party forum?
This of itself will speak volumes for me. I would like the truth to this question answered.
If anyone has an old record of their report please step forward for all!
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Jaisan
Alcatraz Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.12 23:51:00 -
[1103]
/signed
I hope the CSM forces a full investigation and the necessary action taken to remove all assets gained from this exploit. Whoever the culprits are, and whenever they did it. Be it now or when the first petition about this issue was raised.
Just too orangey for crows. |
Kirgan
Pyrognome
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Posted - 2008.12.12 23:54:00 -
[1104]
It would be nice to see but unless BoB is dissolved or at least meaningful members banned amongst the rest of the alleged bans, then no one would beleive CCP anyway.
Quote: An old man goes to the Wizard to ask him if he can remove a curse he has been living with for the last 40 years. The Wizard says, 'Maybe, but you will have to tell me the exact words that were used to put the curse on you'. The old man says without hesitation, 'I now pronounce you man and wife.
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OsmonavT
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Posted - 2008.12.12 23:55:00 -
[1105]
I'll sign!
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Marlona Sky
Caldari Astroglide X
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Posted - 2008.12.12 23:55:00 -
[1106]
We need a bail out!!
Just don't fly to Iceland in a private jet...
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Marlona Sky
Caldari Astroglide X
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Posted - 2008.12.13 00:03:00 -
[1107]
Originally by: Jaisan /signed
I hope the CSM forces a full investigation and the necessary action taken to remove all assets gained from this exploit. Whoever the culprits are, and whenever they did it. Be it now or when the first petition about this issue was raised.
The CSM cant 'Force' CCP to do crap. So get those illusions out of your head already. If CCP wants to share info with us they will.
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Zbones
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Posted - 2008.12.13 01:27:00 -
[1108]
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Elizabeth Bowen
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Posted - 2008.12.13 02:08:00 -
[1109]
I concur with the original poster. This is a CSM job.
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Kittamaru
Democracy of Klingon Brothers G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.13 02:42:00 -
[1110]
I have to say... this has me VERY scared... to know that one of my past alliances may have dissolved simply because our enemies were cheating on a scale like this...
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.12.13 03:11:00 -
[1111]
Originally by: Kittamaru I have to say... this has me VERY scared... to know that one of my past alliances may have dissolved simply because our enemies were cheating on a scale like this...
Yeah, same here.
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LlamaOfDoom
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.12.13 05:47:00 -
[1112]
/signed
If this doesn't happen it makes a mockery of the CSM concept.
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Ulrich Sternaxe
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Posted - 2008.12.13 05:48:00 -
[1113]
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Bunyip
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Posted - 2008.12.13 06:01:00 -
[1114]
Hello all,
I agree that we should get some of the details of who/what/where/when/why/how. However, I'd rather have a complete and in-depth study of where the ISK went and which alliances profited, and perhaps a penalty for such massive influx of ISK, such as removing a few supercapitals if it was proven that the ISK gained from the exploit went to fund such ships.
Despite having an information trail, this is still going to take some time to backtrack and confirm all transactions. I'm there beside you guys on this one, as I paid for my game time with GTCs bought via ISK, and the influx of ISK has caused me to pay more for them (since there was greater demand and less supply).
I'll be there in the CSM to get some answers, and promise to reveal everything I'm legally able to reveal to you as soon as the answers are concrete. I've cancelled my topics of interest so we can devote more time to finding out any information that is immediately available. I'd like to talk to the chief economist as to how far this went. I know alchemy will help compensate for the massive losses, but I'd also like to see some other changes to help the system out.
Right now, the 4 years thing is just what one poster has said, and there's no corroborative evidence (as his account got banned, etc). We also have to consider that one careless GM let this petition go for whatever reason, and CCP honestly didn't know about it until the lit match was dropped in the can of petrol.
TL;DR: I want penalties to be applied and answers to the questions, but I want correct answers, and am willing to wait for an in-depth investigation before results are really known.
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
Hesod Adee
KDS Navy
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Posted - 2008.12.13 06:03:00 -
[1115]
---------------------------------------------- I support skill queues |
CottageCheese Discharge
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Posted - 2008.12.13 06:24:00 -
[1116]
signed.
I'd like to see Bob's gains from this publicized too, we all know they are far from innocent of this.
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Mordakai Drakken
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Posted - 2008.12.13 07:15:00 -
[1117]
Signed. Although honestly, depending on the truth, I doubt full transparancy is viable. But, at the very least throw us some numbers about how much was produced, how much that is in relation to possible amounts, and how much damage was done. Also, please let us know if "Alchemy" was in preperation for this exploit fix..... Seems to provide a solution to a problem before it was a problem.....
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Miss Moonwych
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Posted - 2008.12.13 07:30:00 -
[1118]
Edited by: Miss Moonwych on 13/12/2008 07:31:18 signed
I also think that CSM members should make a priority list (for themselves) of the things they think have to be addressed. And then not to leave the meeting(s) without either:
- CCP having clarified how and when they are going to reveal the demanded/requested information or
- being convinced themselves that its better that CCP doesn't reveal (some of) the information in order to convince us in turn.
No doubt these meetings will be the most important to date and we expect you not to walk out without a red face due to putting serious pressure on CCP to reveal as much information as needed.
M.M.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.13 08:47:00 -
[1119]
Originally by: Bunyip Hello all,
I agree that we should get some of the details of who/what/where/when/why/how. However, I'd rather have a complete and in-depth study of where the ISK went and which alliances profited, and perhaps a penalty for such massive influx of ISK, such as removing a few supercapitals if it was proven that the ISK gained from the exploit went to fund such ships.
Despite having an information trail, this is still going to take some time to backtrack and confirm all transactions. I'm there beside you guys on this one, as I paid for my game time with GTCs bought via ISK, and the influx of ISK has caused me to pay more for them (since there was greater demand and less supply).
I'll be there in the CSM to get some answers, and promise to reveal everything I'm legally able to reveal to you as soon as the answers are concrete. I've cancelled my topics of interest so we can devote more time to finding out any information that is immediately available. I'd like to talk to the chief economist as to how far this went. I know alchemy will help compensate for the massive losses, but I'd also like to see some other changes to help the system out.
Right now, the 4 years thing is just what one poster has said, and there's no corroborative evidence (as his account got banned, etc). We also have to consider that one careless GM let this petition go for whatever reason, and CCP honestly didn't know about it until the lit match was dropped in the can of petrol.
TL;DR: I want penalties to be applied and answers to the questions, but I want correct answers, and am willing to wait for an in-depth investigation before results are really known.
This exploit did not act as an ISK Faucet which you suggest it does.
The answer to all questions in regards to economy is that we have perfect competition. It means that the market will regulate itself extremely easily. I'm all for getting an idea about HOW many minerals were created out of thin air though.
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Disteeler
Segunda Fundacion INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.12.13 08:49:00 -
[1120]
Edited by: Disteeler on 13/12/2008 08:49:35 Seems like an exceptional moment for us to see if the CCP's comission of internal affairs and the CSM have a real purpose or are just propaganda.
Please, make all this mess very transparent and point clearly who are the responsables.
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BloodBird
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.12.13 09:24:00 -
[1121]
Thanks for dealing with this CCP; I would however, like to know what exactly goes on and how this fares. I don't need to know any names however.
Immortality is reserved only for my most hated enemies. |
Lee Gordon
Brothers Of The Steel Horses
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Posted - 2008.12.13 09:40:00 -
[1122]
I hope CSM and CCP can get to the core of this! if not alone, then maybe with the help of the rest of eve. I for one would like to know who has been in this, as i dont want anything to do with thous people anytime in near future!, also if it been going on for more than 4 year, howcome it has not been cort until now! It stinks bad, i just dont no were.. |
vftim
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Posted - 2008.12.13 10:06:00 -
[1123]
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Hatsumi Kobayashi
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.12.13 10:35:00 -
[1124]
signed
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Astro Glyde
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Posted - 2008.12.13 12:58:00 -
[1125]
Your signatures are meaningless.
CCP have a very serious problem on their hands and they know it. The one thing they're not about to do is publicly admit the magnitude of this and validate all the whine and cheese parties.
There will never be full transparency and the corruption will continue. As it always has.
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Snake Tanuki
ZiTek
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Posted - 2008.12.13 13:24:00 -
[1126]
[x] AOL me!
All your goats are belong to us! |
Smartislarti
HEART OF GOLD
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Posted - 2008.12.13 13:31:00 -
[1127]
[X] signed "Since we have to speak well of the dead, let's knock them while they're alive." -- John Sloan |
Pliauga
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.12.13 14:27:00 -
[1128]
This is exactly the type of situation that the CSM was engineered for. If CCP fail to go transparent with this, this..., well..., that means all this democracy thing is a farce. That would be sad. Please, don't screw up (CCP and CSM).
I think the loss of face because of the extent of the f***up would still be far less than the loss of face if they choose to sweep this under the rug.
---------- DRONE love rulez!! 'mkay?! . |
ex0toxic
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Posted - 2008.12.13 14:31:00 -
[1129]
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Sha'mem Sha'el
The Hive Mind
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Posted - 2008.12.13 14:32:00 -
[1130]
Signed
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Verena Intrefer
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Posted - 2008.12.13 15:07:00 -
[1131]
/signed
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Chi Quan
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.13 15:13:00 -
[1132]
---- Ceterum censeo blasters need some tracking love |
jason hill
Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.13 15:34:00 -
[1133]
just checked the bbc news website about this ....nothing yet
destroy everything you touch |
Afale II
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.13 15:59:00 -
[1134]
Originally by: jason hill just checked the bbc news website about this ....nothing yet
maybe that's because some american scammed 50 billion dollars (around 38 billion euros) from people irl.
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McFly
C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.13 16:49:00 -
[1135]
./signed
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Terradoct
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.12.13 17:20:00 -
[1136]
/signed
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Calgura
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Posted - 2008.12.13 18:02:00 -
[1137]
Signed
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Caryna
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Posted - 2008.12.13 18:22:00 -
[1138]
/signed
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.13 18:43:00 -
[1139]
Edited by: Alekseyev Karrde on 13/12/2008 18:43:20
Originally by: LaVista Vista This exploit did not act as an ISK Faucet which you suggest it does.
Are we all talking about the same one? Because I thought we were all talking about an exploit which, once set up for a paltry sum of time and money, produced lucritive finished reactions (profit in ISK) without any base products (no cost in ISK). ---
Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam |
Beaty Swollocks
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.12.13 18:57:00 -
[1140]
Nothing will happen but /shrugs will sign anyway.
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Tek'a Rain
Collegium Mechanicae Holding Dominus Bellorum
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Posted - 2008.12.13 19:18:00 -
[1141]
Lets have details. Secrets cause distrust
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BornCrunchy
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Posted - 2008.12.13 22:12:00 -
[1142]
/signed
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Quacka
Cogito Facio Fio Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.12.13 22:37:00 -
[1143]
/signed
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Dwight Hammerhead
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.12.13 23:06:00 -
[1144]
There should be massive bans for that ****. This scandal pretty much outranks the T20 disaster. This is EVE, not WOW where tossing a specific item to a player means ****.. dunno why i am still paying for this crap _____________________________________________ Too bad at photoshop and too poor to buy a sig. Amarr Victor? Unlikely. |
Rafael Cane
House of Stark FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.12.13 23:18:00 -
[1145]
If it was a pve game, sure, no need for disclosures. If you exploit, it¦s your decision of playstyle. But for such a pvp game as Eve, it matters heavily to others.
And these others need to know with what they had to deal and what the difference the fixing of this exploit brings.
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Shogun Archer
Gallente Brotherhood of Soban
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Posted - 2008.12.13 23:59:00 -
[1146]
/signed
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Veronica Mar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.12.14 00:18:00 -
[1147]
yes
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Klagknut Bonestalker
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Posted - 2008.12.14 00:46:00 -
[1148]
All guilty parties and their affiliations should be named. This could not possibly have persisted successfully for as long as alleged without CCP direct involvement, either on the DEV or GM level. We, most of us, are extremely 'puter literate, know what is and what isn't.
NAME AND SHAME ! ! !
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Ggrus
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Posted - 2008.12.14 02:00:00 -
[1149]
signed
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Arthas Wallace
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Posted - 2008.12.14 04:06:00 -
[1150]
We need names. In Real Life everybody can access the result of every trial, we have access to the name of all ppl charged for any crime, The justice is public, it only exist to serve and regulate the community. signed. |
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Princess 02
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Posted - 2008.12.14 04:16:00 -
[1151]
yes
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Sinsong
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Posted - 2008.12.14 04:20:00 -
[1152]
/signed
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Buoytender Bob
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Posted - 2008.12.14 04:50:00 -
[1153]
CCP News Service****
In a surprise weather event, Hell froze over for the first time. Reached by CCP, Satan voiced his concern by saying,"WoW, I've never seen something like this before. I mean, WTF is God thinking? I'm trying to make people regret their actions and this stuff comes along. God, you stay on your side and judge the carebears and I'll stay on my side and judge the pirates and those who lack a pirate's intestinal fortitude. I mean, jeeze, making the pirates regret their actions is a fulltime and almost impossible job and those cheaters are far worse. Arrogant bastards all, as far as I'm concerned...(I like them (the pirates, not those SOB cheaters) despite their attitude)"
In a related topic, CCP decided to list all those players and corps that took part in the POS scandel, as well as destroying any and all assets.
....well, it COULD happen this way...but I doubt it.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.12.14 06:32:00 -
[1154]
Originally by: Buoytender Bob CCP News Service****
In a surprise weather event, Hell froze over for the first time. Reached by CCP, Satan voiced his concern by saying,"WoW, I've never seen something like this before. I mean, WTF ....
In a related topic, CCP decided to list all those players and corps that took part in the POS scandel, as well as destroying any and all assets...
He he he...
I support transparency! And I support Satan in his assessment of the situation, CCP WTF?!
::::Click The Signature For the Blog::::
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Shakari Sween
freelancers inc KenZoku
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Posted - 2008.12.14 07:15:00 -
[1155]
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Lilandra Cross
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Posted - 2008.12.14 07:28:00 -
[1156]
signed
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Xaeon
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2008.12.14 09:02:00 -
[1157]
Chapter IX 15/06/08 |
Thanatomania
Darksaber Technologies Warp to Desktop
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Posted - 2008.12.14 10:31:00 -
[1158]
Signed
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Vaarmoth Malinigvious
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.14 10:55:00 -
[1159]
Originally by: CottageCheese Discharge we all know they are far from innocent of this.
Who is we?
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Vaarmoth Malinigvious
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.12.14 10:56:00 -
[1160]
Originally by: Kirgan It would be nice to see but unless BoB is dissolved or at least meaningful members banned amongst the rest of the alleged bans, then no one would beleive CCP anyway.
So, even if we did nothing wrong, we'll be penalized. Ok ******...
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Werewolfas
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Posted - 2008.12.14 11:12:00 -
[1161]
Signed
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Hobblah
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.12.14 12:32:00 -
[1162]
Edited by: Hobblah on 14/12/2008 12:34:03 Signed
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elric gallach
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Posted - 2008.12.14 12:36:00 -
[1163]
Originally by: Vaarmoth Malinigvious
Originally by: Kirgan It would be nice to see but unless BoB is dissolved or at least meaningful members banned amongst the rest of the alleged bans, then no one would beleive CCP anyway.
So, even if we did nothing wrong, we'll be penalized. Ok ******...
------------------------------------------------------- And there you have it Because there is no word from CCP, every alliance must be guilty, And CCP must be involved.
CCP must realise by now that saying nothing is not the answer.
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Ladin Avre'toc
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Posted - 2008.12.14 15:00:00 -
[1164]
signed lets get names on players corps alliances out. I don't care about them and i wan tto know who has been working to ruin the game for me for 4 years.
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Bunyip
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Posted - 2008.12.14 15:37:00 -
[1165]
Hello all,
Meeting is about to begin. For anybody interested, the chat channel 'CSM Chat' is available if you'd like to speak to a delegate. I, and the rest of the CSM team, look forward to getting some answers for you.
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
JABBIE
Gallente Alcatraz Inc. THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY
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Posted - 2008.12.14 17:30:00 -
[1166]
I'd really like to start the whole game over on a new server. If it's possible to ask if this could be a future option for a more fair game, please do so at the CSM meetings.
J
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AndzX11
Order of Anarchy
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:57:00 -
[1167]
signed
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Tal Rann
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Posted - 2008.12.14 20:59:00 -
[1168]
Signed. Let the guilty be named, let them be booted, their assets seized and destroyed. Let their 'associates' be stripped of their assets too. We must know how much was involved, the action taken to prevent a recurrence and a grovelling apology-well it is nearly Christmas and perhaps the best present of all for us. Then we can all party party!
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Garr Anders
Thukk U
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Posted - 2008.12.15 00:36:00 -
[1169]
Though I dont need a "name and shame" and I do understand CCPs "we dont discuss exploits" policy a detailed report on what happened and how it affected Eve and especially with our economist on board, this is a good time to regain trust from the community and would be very welcome.
----- Garr Anders
"The only winning move is not to play" is about the best damn advice anyone can get regarding arguing over the internet. - referring to the Movie WarGames 1983
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Dorsa
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Posted - 2008.12.15 00:53:00 -
[1170]
Originally by: Bunyip Hello all,
Meeting is about to begin. For anybody interested, the chat channel 'CSM Chat' is available if you'd like to speak to a delegate. I, and the rest of the CSM team, look forward to getting some answers for you.
Looks like I missed the meeting, will there be minutes posted...(or cliff-notes)?
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 01:29:00 -
[1171]
Originally by: Bunyip Hello all,
Meeting is about to begin. For anybody interested, the chat channel 'CSM Chat' is available if you'd like to speak to a delegate. I, and the rest of the CSM team, look forward to getting some answers for you.
Can we get some updates please?
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Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.15 01:42:00 -
[1172]
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Bunyip Hello all,
Meeting is about to begin. For anybody interested, the chat channel 'CSM Chat' is available if you'd like to speak to a delegate. I, and the rest of the CSM team, look forward to getting some answers for you.
Can we get some updates please?
yes, update is "we dont give a f.u.c.k about our customers and we will not even reply here, ever" now go to sleep
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Bunyip
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Posted - 2008.12.15 02:54:00 -
[1173]
Solomon, updates will be available in the Meeting minutes, which should be posted soon. I cannot go into detail beyond that.
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 05:46:00 -
[1174]
Thats what I am referring to. I am waiting for a new meeting minutes post.
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SickSeven
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Posted - 2008.12.15 05:48:00 -
[1175]
wth did or didn't they know?
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Zsani
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Posted - 2008.12.15 07:53:00 -
[1176]
Signed
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.15 08:38:00 -
[1177]
Guys,
we spent 4 hours in meeting yesterday on a sunday. The minutes has to be read trough by CCP to make sure no important information was left out and then later posted as a news item. They will be out today, but please be patient. We are all waiting eagerly, but there's not long to go.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.12.15 09:00:00 -
[1178]
Diary of a pod pilot |
Harriuos Potransky
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Posted - 2008.12.15 09:18:00 -
[1179]
Free all Martians! |
Bodo Bass
Fanta pants
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Posted - 2008.12.15 09:41:00 -
[1180]
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Aenikus
Freelancing Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.15 10:31:00 -
[1181]
Agreed there must be absolute transparency. There have been too many issues in the past:
- T2 BPO seeding favouritism - corrupt CCP staff giving extra support to their corps and alliances - boot.ini bug, an example of very poor quality control and very poor programming skills - the GTC marketing waffle about the 60 day cards - to align with other MMOs when we all knew it was about hiking prices
Lets be honest EVE is a great concept being run by a company CCP with very poor management, quality control,development and customer relations skills.
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Aenikus
Gallente Freelancing Corp
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Posted - 2008.12.15 10:46:00 -
[1182]
Further comment:
If any CSM member is in a corp or alliance that benefited from this exploit then they must stand down and elections held from people with a clean and untainted record. It is inconceivable that you could be a prominent member of a corp or alliance, well known enough to get CSM elected and not know that your corp/alliance was using this exploit.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.15 11:43:00 -
[1183]
Originally by: Aenikus Further comment:
If any CSM member is in a corp or alliance that benefited from this exploit then they must stand down and elections held from people with a clean and untainted record. It is inconceivable that you could be a prominent member of a corp or alliance, well known enough to get CSM elected and not know that your corp/alliance was using this exploit.
I can assure you that none on the CSM is at all connected to this exploit. I can't cover how I know this due to NDA however, but rest assured that nobody ever used it. If they did, they would have been banned.
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Megas Paolino
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Posted - 2008.12.15 12:30:00 -
[1184]
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Kiotsu Adler
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Posted - 2008.12.15 13:06:00 -
[1185]
Originally by: LaVista Vista I can't cover how I know this due to NDA however
Unfortunatlly we are going to listen this a lot, so I'm not very convinced about all this PR thingy about 'transparency'.
CCP using the CSM to say "hey, don't trust us if you want but at least trust this guys in the CSM, they're players after all, like you are!; even if they can't disclose information because they have signed this NDA".
Trust should be based on facts, not on faith.
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Katrina Bekers
Hikage Corporation G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.12.15 13:38:00 -
[1186]
FWIW, supported.
But this is just too big to not be drowned under a sea of NDAs. Little hope here.
Ah well. --- Kate [ Recruitment | HKG | G0DS ] |
Swarog Hjellstadt
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Posted - 2008.12.15 13:51:00 -
[1187]
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Blind Keeper
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Posted - 2008.12.15 16:23:00 -
[1188]
Good day!
I do not have a set opinion or conclusion at this time due to the lack of complete information. In other words..I don't know.
What I DO know is that during the course of any investigation...whether it be in law enforcement, military, or business (And Eve does have it's corporations, yes?)It is prudent not to make too much information public while the investigation is being conducted. I'm sure, with a little research (I encourage you to find out for yourself), you will find there are some rather good reasons for this. It's similar to insisting Jurors be uninformed in advanced before going over evidence etc and deciding a case as information that is incomplete or taken out of context could affect their final conclusion and decision. Such conclusions and decisions all to often end up not being the best one (Depending on point of view, of course).
All this means is if they are currently conducting the investigation to get a more complete picture and are honest and earnest about correcting any possible issues that may arise out of their investigations, then I will just content myself with impatiently waiting for a official final conclusion.
Right now, any conclusion I may draw on this matter would be opinion. I'm waiting for the complete Official facts just because I wont feel quite as stupid if I guessed and ended up wrong, lol. |
Ankhesentapemkah
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Posted - 2008.12.15 16:48:00 -
[1189]
Minutes just got greenlighted, so expect them up in the next hour or two! ---
NEW MOVIE! CSM Campaign Thread |
John'eh
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Posted - 2008.12.15 17:13:00 -
[1190]
Update?
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Kanoubi
Amarr Rytiri Lva R.U.R.
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Posted - 2008.12.15 17:22:00 -
[1191]
Edited by: Kanoubi on 15/12/2008 17:23:30 greenlighted by CCP = Censured all relevant information to the player community ?
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.12.15 17:37:00 -
[1192]
Originally by: Kanoubi Edited by: Kanoubi on 15/12/2008 17:23:30 greenlighted by CCP = Censured all relevant information to the player community ?
Don't expect anything else.
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Mr Fever
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Posted - 2008.12.15 17:57:00 -
[1193]
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Minutes just got greenlighted, so expect them up in the next hour or two!
We have waitedm its been about 2 hours, w t f is going on to delay this? What are they hideing?
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voidvim
Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:00:00 -
[1194]
Salvaging guide:moon materials guide |
TrojanFresh
Minmatar The Suicide Kings True Reign
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:07:00 -
[1195]
Sad thing about this matter is that there is no checks or balances its only when someone rats on someone that you ever see anything ever done. Of all things you would think that people would of noticed more complex of a product otu there than could be ever produced. Still everyone will pay to play a game even though the people in charge of keeping it fair and balance never do a good job. Its just hey lets not fix it and use it or turn the other cheek for certain members of CCP and with more bad media coming out this game will never become great. It will just be something that could of been because individuals who can do things never have to worry about being check of wrong doing until its way beyond the point of damage. So tell me how does someone who makes insane amounts of isk go for 4 years without ever being crossed check? or the countless others that do it. Sad part about it is such a great game but yet such poor management of ones employees
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:09:00 -
[1196]
Originally by: Mr Fever
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Minutes just got greenlighted, so expect them up in the next hour or two!
We have waitedm its been about 2 hours, w t f is going on to delay this? What are they hideing?
You have only waited for 1 hour
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John'eh
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:13:00 -
[1197]
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Mr Fever
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Minutes just got greenlighted, so expect them up in the next hour or two!
We have waitedm its been about 2 hours, w t f is going on to delay this? What are they hideing?
You have only waited for 1 hour
Why even edit it? We deserve the entire, raw, text. Anything else is just helpng a cover-up.
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Haakelen
Gallente Cassandra's Light Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:26:00 -
[1198]
Originally by: John'eh
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Mr Fever
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Minutes just got greenlighted, so expect them up in the next hour or two!
We have waitedm its been about 2 hours, w t f is going on to delay this? What are they hideing?
You have only waited for 1 hour
Why even edit it? We deserve the entire, raw, text. Anything else is just helpng a cover-up.
Yeah! It's not like this is a game or anything, and CCP has privacy policies! WITCH HUNT TIME!
You 'deserve'?
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KAELA MENSHA
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:34:00 -
[1199]
where are they posting ???
here or another thread
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Bunyip
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:36:00 -
[1200]
Edited by: Bunyip on 15/12/2008 18:37:00
Originally by: TrojanFresh Sad thing about this matter is that there is no checks or balances its only when someone rats on someone that you ever see anything ever done. Of all things you would think that people would of noticed more complex of a product otu there than could be ever produced. Still everyone will pay to play a game even though the people in charge of keeping it fair and balance never do a good job. Its just hey lets not fix it and use it or turn the other cheek for certain members of CCP and with more bad media coming out this game will never become great. It will just be something that could of been because individuals who can do things never have to worry about being check of wrong doing until its way beyond the point of damage. So tell me how does someone who makes insane amounts of isk go for 4 years without ever being crossed check? or the countless others that do it. Sad part about it is such a great game but yet such poor management of ones employees
Let me start out by saying that the exploit has been going on for less than a year. It wasn't even possible to do the exploit a mere two years ago, so that 4 year thing is rediculous.
Second, while the people did make a great deal of ISK, it wasn't an insane amount, and all those possessions are probably being siezed as we speak. The amount they made was less than the amount that exchanges hands in a single day in Eve, so while it may be noticeable, it's not significant or game-breaking.
Last, there will probably be a price spike on Ferrogel, but it will balance out due to Alchemy. The price might never be as low as it is now, but it will not spike through the roof either. If EyjoG notices the price getting extreme, I trust that he'll take steps to equalize it.
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
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Rock'n'Roll Lady
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:44:00 -
[1201]
Originally by: Bunyip Edited by: Bunyip on 15/12/2008 18:37:00
Originally by: TrojanFresh Sad thing about this matter is that there is no checks or balances its only when someone rats on someone that you ever see anything ever done. Of all things you would think that people would of noticed more complex of a product otu there than could be ever produced. Still everyone will pay to play a game even though the people in charge of keeping it fair and balance never do a good job. Its just hey lets not fix it and use it or turn the other cheek for certain members of CCP and with more bad media coming out this game will never become great. It will just be something that could of been because individuals who can do things never have to worry about being check of wrong doing until its way beyond the point of damage. So tell me how does someone who makes insane amounts of isk go for 4 years without ever being crossed check? or the countless others that do it. Sad part about it is such a great game but yet such poor management of ones employees
Let me start out by saying that the exploit has been going on for less than a year. It wasn't even possible to do the exploit a mere two years ago, so that 4 year thing is rediculous.
Second, while the people did make a great deal of ISK, it wasn't an insane amount, and all those possessions are probably being siezed as we speak. The amount they made was less than the amount that exchanges hands in a single day in Eve, so while it may be noticeable, it's not significant or game-breaking.
Last, there will probably be a price spike on Ferrogel, but it will balance out due to Alchemy. The price might never be as low as it is now, but it will not spike through the roof either. If EyjoG notices the price getting extreme, I trust that he'll take steps to equalize it.
hehe funny that CSM started talking like CCP after they got elected, not talking about you only but every one else too, we deserve transparency not hush hush cover up, and people were saying from the word go that CSM is a way to silence our voices i didn't believed them but now thinking about it being true.
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Banjo String
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip Edited by: Bunyip on 15/12/2008 18:37:00
Originally by: TrojanFresh Sad thing about this matter is that there is no checks or balances its only when someone rats on someone that you ever see anything ever done. Of all things you would think that people would of noticed more complex of a product otu there than could be ever produced. Still everyone will pay to play a game even though the people in charge of keeping it fair and balance never do a good job. Its just hey lets not fix it and use it or turn the other cheek for certain members of CCP and with more bad media coming out this game will never become great. It will just be something that could of been because individuals who can do things never have to worry about being check of wrong doing until its way beyond the point of damage. So tell me how does someone who makes insane amounts of isk go for 4 years without ever being crossed check? or the countless others that do it. Sad part about it is such a great game but yet such poor management of ones employees
Let me start out by saying that the exploit has been going on for less than a year. It wasn't even possible to do the exploit a mere two years ago, so that 4 year thing is rediculous.
Second, while the people did make a great deal of ISK, it wasn't an insane amount, and all those possessions are probably being siezed as we speak. The amount they made was less than the amount that exchanges hands in a single day in Eve, so while it may be noticeable, it's not significant or game-breaking.
Last, there will probably be a price spike on Ferrogel, but it will balance out due to Alchemy. The price might never be as low as it is now, but it will not spike through the roof either. If EyjoG notices the price getting extreme, I trust that he'll take steps to equalize it.
I thought a CSM member had confirmed already it had been going on for two years? I read it, not sure if it's further up in this thread or was during the chat session yesterday?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip It wasn't an insane amount... The amount they made was less than the amount that exchanges hands in a single day in Eve, so while it may be noticeable, it's not significant or game-breaking...
And why did CCP say then "Working with the Research & Statistics team we have established that the effects on the markets have been considerable and far reaching." (original post)
Funny, funny, aint it?
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John'eh
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Posted - 2008.12.15 18:55:00 -
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Bunyip, with all due respect, I really dont trust you becouse you are talking like a marketing guy and acting like a CCP shrill.
Have some orbs, be for the people who you are sopposed to represent.
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Bunyip
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie And why did CCP say then "Working with the Research & Statistics team we have established that the effects on the markets have been considerable and far reaching." (original post)
Funny, funny, aint it?
Don't get me wrong, the prices will spike and we'll have a bit of tumult on the markets, but a lot of people are exploding this far more than it deserves. This was a disaster that slipped through QA's hands, and I'm not trying to justify them or their actions. Sometimes, though, mistakes will happen, and then it goes down to CCP being on cleanup crew (as they are right now).
Ferrogel will probably never return to the price it is now, but if it gets too high, CCP will take action to normalize it to ensure the game doesn't shatter. The meeting minutes will explain all of this, but for now, all I can tell you is a taste of what was said in the meeting.
Originally by: Banjo String I thought a CSM member had confirmed already it had been going on for two years? I read it, not sure if it's further up in this thread or was during the chat session yesterday?
The exploit was available to be used for less than two years, and wasn't discovered by the exploiters until less than a year ago. FYI, about two years ago (as noted above) a patch was released that didn't affect POSes, but a line of code or something came in conflict, creating the exploit. That has been patched now, and CCP is working to make sure something like this never happens again.
If you could feel the tension in the meeting room, you'd understand how much CCP wants this resolved, and they're going to be going through their records for some time now making sure every possible exception is taken care of. If there were alliances that used this exploit to their advantage and knew it was occuring, I sense there will be a sudden power vacuum in 0.0.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip If you could feel the tension in the meeting room, you'd understand how much CCP wants this resolved, and they're going to be going through their records for some time now making sure every possible exception is taken care of. If there were alliances that used this exploit to their advantage and knew it was occuring, I sense there will be a sudden power vacuum in 0.0.
Well where are the meeting minute notes? We've been told 1-2 hours and we're far past that I believe.
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Kaijusan
Gallente gallach minig Corp New Eve Mining manufacturing Organisation
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Bunyip If you could feel the tension in the meeting room, you'd understand how much CCP wants this resolved, and they're going to be going through their records for some time now making sure every possible exception is taken care of. If there were alliances that used this exploit to their advantage and knew it was occuring, I sense there will be a sudden power vacuum in 0.0.
Well where are the meeting minute notes? We've been told 1-2 hours and we're far past that I believe.
They are removing the "names" that cannot be implicated in this.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kaijusan
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Bunyip If you could feel the tension in the meeting room, you'd understand how much CCP wants this resolved, and they're going to be going through their records for some time now making sure every possible exception is taken care of. If there were alliances that used this exploit to their advantage and knew it was occuring, I sense there will be a sudden power vacuum in 0.0.
Well where are the meeting minute notes? We've been told 1-2 hours and we're far past that I believe.
They are removing the "names" that cannot be implicated in this.
This is just one giant conspiracy and cover-up.
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TR4D3R4LT
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI This is just one giant conspiracy and cover-up.
Here little man, have more tinfoil.
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Klagknut Bonestalker
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip
Originally by: Gnulpie And why did CCP say then "Working with the Research & Statistics team we have established that the effects on the markets have been considerable and far reaching." (original post)
Funny, funny, aint it?
Don't get me wrong, the prices will spike and we'll have a bit of tumult on the markets, but a lot of people are exploding this far more than it deserves. This was a disaster that slipped through QA's hands, and I'm not trying to justify them or their actions. Sometimes, though, mistakes will happen, and then it goes down to CCP being on cleanup crew (as they are right now).[snip]
Originally by: Banjo String I thought a CSM member had confirmed already it had been going on for two years? I read it, not sure if it's further up in this thread or was during the chat session yesterday?
The exploit was available to be used for less than two years, and wasn't discovered by the exploiters until less than a year ago. FYI, about two years ago (as noted above) a patch was released that didn't affect POSes, but a line of code or something came in conflict, creating the exploit. That has been patched now, and CCP is working to make sure something like this never happens again.
If you could feel the tension in the meeting room, you'd understand how much CCP wants this resolved, and they're going to be going through their records for some time now making sure every possible exception is taken care of. If there were alliances that used this exploit to their advantage and knew it was occuring, I sense there will be a sudden power vacuum in 0.0.
You came to Tash-Murkon and asked for my vote. You promised to represent the players. Why are you quoting CCP montra? This has been going on longer than you state in this missive. Other personnel have admitted to it.
Too bad you invested so very much time with us! CCP and you do not have the same writing style. Someone other than you is penning these short inserts of misinformation. Why are you permitting it? They cheated. They got caught. They allowed others to benefit from it. The market and every other aspect of this game has been impacted. This is neither trivial nor incidental. Why are you attempting to pretend it is so?
When are the individual responsible going to be named?
When are we going to know the alliances involved?
When are we going to be told the names of the corporations involved?
When are you going to respond to us with honesty instead of the company coined utterance? If you are nothing more than their guise - why do it? Did you lie to me when I asked if you would be THIS and you said no? Obviously you did!
You are a liar!
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: TR4D3R4LT
Originally by: Solomon XI This is just one giant conspiracy and cover-up.
Here little man, have more tinfoil.
Thanks! I didn't have enough already.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip Ferrogel will probably never return to the price it is now, but if it gets too high, CCP will take action to normalize it to ensure the game doesn't shatter.
Remember that the game didn't 'shatter' when T2 prices were set by the BPO holders... It's not going to happen either even if T2 prices were to increase drastically...
There is plenty of reason to think that T2 as it is is actually too cheap. The main one being that it has completely made almost all named T1 items unused. If T2 prices got a kick upwards, you'd suddenly see a lot more of the available items actually being used.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.12.15 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kaijusan
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Bunyip
They are removing the "names" that cannot be implicated in this.
..Well thats just pathetic. The CSM couldnt even get transparency in the most fundamental area of the whole issue There was even talk of French toast
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KAELA MENSHA
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Bunyip Ferrogel will probably never return to the price it is now, but if it gets too high, CCP will take action to normalize it to ensure the game doesn't shatter.
Remember that the game didn't 'shatter' when T2 prices were set by the BPO holders... It's not going to happen either even if T2 prices were to increase drastically...
There is plenty of reason to think that T2 as it is is actually too cheap. The main one being that it has completely made almost all named T1 items unused. If T2 prices got a kick upwards, you'd suddenly see a lot more of the available items actually being used.
Very true Tech II is too cheap atm.
Lets see the meeting details, And then decide if CCP is covering its arse
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:15:00 -
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All I can say is we are getting the first results of the CCP investigation into the exploit. CCP is in no way finished with the investigation. My impression is that CCP takes this very seriously. You've heard some statements about the meeting and the realities of the exploit from the CSM. I'm only going to say I don't think CCP is far enough into their investigation to make definite statements about the scope of the exploit. There will be more definite releases from CCP when more is known.
I also share frustrations in regards to naming and shaming, but I also understand the CCP policies and respect their decision to not name involved parties. Please know these policies are NOT about covering things up, they are about concerns for individual rights to privacy.
I hope the pilots of Eve continue to demand transparency from both the CSM and CCP. You all need to decide for yourselves what that means but if something is not explained to your satisfaction you need to continue to make any dissatisfaction known.
Issler
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Issler Dainze All I can say is we are getting the first results of the CCP investigation into the exploit. CCP is in no way finished with the investigation. My impression is that CCP takes this very seriously. You've heard some statements about the meeting and the realities of the exploit from the CSM. I'm only going to say I don't think CCP is far enough into their investigation to make definite statements about the scope of the exploit. There will be more definite releases from CCP when more is known.
I also share frustrations in regards to naming and shaming, but I also understand the CCP policies and respect their decision to not name involved parties. Please know these policies are NOT about covering things up, they are about concerns for individual rights to privacy.
I hope the pilots of Eve continue to demand transparency from both the CSM and CCP. You all need to decide for yourselves what that means but if something is not explained to your satisfaction you need to continue to make any dissatisfaction known.
Issler
So where are the meeting minutes?
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Marlenus
Caldari Ironfleet Towing And Salvage Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:17:00 -
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Ktarr Rakillo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:21:00 -
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Edited by: Ktarr Rakillo on 15/12/2008 20:21:45 Unfortunately I guess, being heavily edited for "content".
Such a shame, I had high hopes for the CSM.
Well at least I might be able to see who asked what questions, provided those haven't also been edited.
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John'eh
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:22:00 -
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So when do we get that report?! We have been waiting...
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Havlentia Castigatrix
Gallente The Avalon Foundation Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Issler Dainze
I also share frustrations in regards to naming and shaming, but I also understand the CCP policies and respect their decision to not name involved parties. Please know these policies are NOT about covering things up, they are about concerns for individual rights to privacy.
As far as I'm aware, characters/ingame corporations are not classed as entities with regard to privacy rules, and it would go some way to showing actions rather than simply talking about them.
You have to admit that CCP's credibility to it's playerbase is taking a hell of a hit and the CSM was created as an answer to the concept of 'transparency'. At this juncture it would be interesting and possibly a PR coup to simply tell us numbers of the banned and dissolved corps rather than hide behind such vague concepts as 'far reaching' and 'many'.
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Kaijusan
Gallente gallach minig Corp New Eve Mining manufacturing Organisation
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:24:00 -
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Right to privacy for what? If they knowingly exploited the game they lost their right to privacy.
Mark my words if they do NOT release names this will just fuel the rampant speculation about WHO exactly was involved and it will only further diminish any trust the player base has in CCP with regards to Devs being in Alliances and so forth.
There comes a time when you HAVE to come clean and THIS is it.
Unless, of course, you discovered half your Dev team is involved in this.....right?
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Marlenus I'm not one of the peasants with pitchforks and torches, but I am avid to see those minutes. "An hour or two" has turned into three and a half plus, any idea when they'll actually go up?
Just as soon as CCP's ministry of information, PR and Marketing departments can apply enough polished Truth-Speak« to the meeting minutes.
Be prepared to hear all about how Alchemy is going to be double plus good!
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Haakelen
Gallente Cassandra's Light Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kaijusan Right to privacy for what? If they knowingly exploited the game they lost their right to privacy.
In the real world of grownups, that is not how it works. As a business entity CCP has certain obligations and responsibilities. They are obligated to follow their own terms of service and privacy policy, lest someone sue them. They are under no obligation to cooperate with a lynching party on their forums.
The nerdragers here talk a whole lot about 'respect' and 'trust' of the playerbase (nice of you to speak for all of us). I would have considerably less trust and respect for CCP if they revealed private information, or decided to point their fingers at people.
If you don't believe they're telling the truth about any facet of this, why, therefor, do you have such implicit trust in their naming of names? Anyone they referred to would certainly be banned, and would have absolutely no way to respond to it.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:30:00 -
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Well I can't wait for the Meeting Minutes all day - I have other stuff to do. This whole fiasco is just pure BS. *An hour or two?* my ass.
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI So where are the meeting minutes?[/quote
Because of the sensitive nature of the discussions CCP is reviewing the logs to make sure that nothing that would be considered sensitive, propriatory or in violation of policy to CCP is accidentally included. So there are several groups in CCP that need to complete the review. Given the fact the meeting was on a Sunday I expect a number of folks had a full plate of work first thing Monday to get these logs out to the community.
Bottom line, they are coming, so hang in there,
Issler
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loki gallach
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:32:00 -
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The level of disclosure about this exploit by CCP. Will either validate the CSM. OR prove its irrelevance.
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Havlentia Castigatrix
Gallente The Avalon Foundation Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Haakelen They are obligated to follow their own terms of service and privacy policy, lest someone sue them.
You'll find that everything they supply is their property, meaning the data.
Originally by: Haakelen
The nerdragers here talk a whole lot about 'respect' and 'trust' of the playerbase (nice of you to speak for all of us).
Yeah, it eventually translates into the commercial reality of people jumping ship once there is a competing product on the market.
Originally by: Haakelen
I would have considerably less trust and respect for CCP if they revealed private information, or decided to point their fingers at people.
Oh, you silly bear, a character name isn't private information. I can see hundreds in local on a daily basis. As for pointing fingers, a ban is pretty pointy.
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Agent Marvin
A Cell Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kaijusan They are removing the "names" that cannot be implicated in this.
They should name and shame.
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John'eh
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: John''eh on 15/12/2008 20:36:45
Originally by: Issler Dainze
Originally by: Solomon XI So where are the meeting minutes?[/quote
Because of the sensitive nature of the discussions CCP is reviewing the logs to make sure that nothing that would be considered sensitive, propriatory or in violation of policy to CCP is accidentally included. So there are several groups in CCP that need to complete the review. Given the fact the meeting was on a Sunday I expect a number of folks had a full plate of work first thing Monday to get these logs out to the community.
Bottom line, they are coming, so hang in there,
Issler
What this means folks, is that legal, marketing, and the CEO need to sign off on whats put out there:
Legal to make sure they cant be sued over it. Marketing to make sure it represents the right experiece. The CEO so he can find out what happened for the first time.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Issler Dainze
Originally by: Solomon XI So where are the meeting minutes?[/quote
Because of the sensitive nature of the discussions CCP is reviewing the logs to make sure that nothing that would be considered sensitive, propriatory or in violation of policy to CCP is accidentally included. So there are several groups in CCP that need to complete the review. Given the fact the meeting was on a Sunday I expect a number of folks had a full plate of work first thing Monday to get these logs out to the community.
Bottom line, they are coming, so hang in there,
Issler
TRANSLATION: It's taking so long because CCP is worried that something said/did will make them look worse than they already do.
I expected the CSM to stand up for us ... now I am beginning to wonder if they've become CCP's lapdog.
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Haakelen
Gallente Cassandra's Light Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Haakelen on 15/12/2008 20:40:01
Originally by: Havlentia Castigatrix Oh, you silly bear, a character name isn't private information. I can see hundreds in local on a daily basis.
http://www.vuklau.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5.
If CCP didn't think character names or anything else personally identifying was private, explain their policy of discussing GM activity. When someone comes onto the forums and yells about having a negative wallet balance, it's usually locked with a comment about 'make a petition'. Because CCP does not disclose 'disciplinary' activity publicly.
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Havlentia Castigatrix
Gallente The Avalon Foundation Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI
I expected the CSM to stand up for us ... now I am beginning to wonder if they've become CCP's lapdog.
It was always a political body and they're restricted by NDAs...so meh.
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Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Haakelen
Originally by: Kaijusan Right to privacy for what? If they knowingly exploited the game they lost their right to privacy.
In the real world of grownups, that is not how it works. As a business entity CCP has certain obligations and responsibilities. They are obligated to follow their own terms of service and privacy policy, lest someone sue them. They are under no obligation to cooperate with a lynching party on their forums.
The nerdragers here talk a whole lot about 'respect' and 'trust' of the playerbase (nice of you to speak for all of us). I would have considerably less trust and respect for CCP if they revealed private information, or decided to point their fingers at people.
If you don't believe they're telling the truth about any facet of this, why, therefor, do you have such implicit trust in their naming of names? Anyone they referred to would certainly be banned, and would have absolutely no way to respond to it.
There seems to be many people who have wrong understanding of what people are demanding here. We aren't asking for the real world names of the people involved. The privacy of real life person behind the game character will not be put at risk.
What people want here are names of the banned characters, which doesn't violate any privacy rules.
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John'eh
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: Haakelen
Originally by: Kaijusan Right to privacy for what? If they knowingly exploited the game they lost their right to privacy.
In the real world of grownups, that is not how it works. As a business entity CCP has certain obligations and responsibilities. They are obligated to follow their own terms of service and privacy policy, lest someone sue them. They are under no obligation to cooperate with a lynching party on their forums.
The nerdragers here talk a whole lot about 'respect' and 'trust' of the playerbase (nice of you to speak for all of us). I would have considerably less trust and respect for CCP if they revealed private information, or decided to point their fingers at people.
If you don't believe they're telling the truth about any facet of this, why, therefor, do you have such implicit trust in their naming of names? Anyone they referred to would certainly be banned, and would have absolutely no way to respond to it.
There seems to be many people who have wrong understanding of what people are demanding here. We aren't asking for the real world names of the people involved. The privacy of real life person behind the game character will not be put at risk.
What people want here are names of the banned characters, which doesn't violate any privacy rules.
And the name of every corperation and alliance doing it.
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:47:00 -
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Edited by: Issler Dainze on 15/12/2008 20:47:59 So I am frustrated as well, I pushed back on the privacy concerns and asked for character names to be released but CCP is firm about their policies. I expect this to be discussed in Iceland next month.
The CSM is going to get to see the "scrubbed" logs and we will make sure that the logs accurately represent the meeting.
I don't think it is unreasonable to take a day or so to get some logs reviewed and posted. Its not like a few hours changes anything. So some patience please! EVERYONE involved in the meeting Sunday wants you all to see these logs.
Issler
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John'eh
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Issler Dainze Edited by: Issler Dainze on 15/12/2008 20:47:59 So I am frustrated as well, I pushed back on the privacy concerns and asked for character names to be released but CCP is firm about their policies. I expect this to be discussed in Iceland next month.
The CSM is going to get to see the "scrubbed" logs and we will make sure that the logs accurately represent the meeting.
I don't think it is unreasonable to take a day or so to get some logs reviewed and posted. Its not like a few hours changes anything. So some patience please! EVERYONE involved in the meeting Sunday wants you all to see these logs.
Issler
No, they want us to see the version of the logs that make them look better. If they wanted us to see these logs, we would be already.
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Havlentia Castigatrix
Gallente The Avalon Foundation Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.12.15 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Haakelen
If CCP didn't think character names or anything else personally identifying was private, explain their policy of discussing GM activity.
Disclosure of exploits, reasoning behind the GM activity.
Incidentally, it should be NOT discussing GM activity...and this appears to have something to do with this exploit not being caught a lot earlier, if you've been following events. The thing is that there have been problems with recruiting GMs from 0.0 alliances for a very long time, and this is closely connected with other 'privileged' accounts having access to information and items over the past few years that have been misused to provide ingame advantage, not to mention a fairly dirty little backtrade in isk.
While some people are willing to stick their fingers in their ears and do an Officer Barbrady impersonation on the forums, quite frankly I'm bored of being told that they're handling things. I'd like to actually see the results of investigations, or something slightly more concrete than 'we did something about it' only for the relevant issues to crop up again.
I've spoken about auditing before now in relation to isk trading. They could be doing something about it, but we don't know. We saw what happened with T20, but we don't know how they're going to avoid it happening in the future. We've seen shenanigans with ships being moved during fleet fights, but we don't know what happened.
The people who're asking for accountability are after a bit of accountability; not a 'lynch mob' as you emoted...after all, it's difficult to lynch the non-existant.
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Shakari Sween
freelancers inc KenZoku
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While I can see why people want to know the names of both the corps and characters involved there are good reasons not to give them. Such as it could and probably would have a profound influence on 0.0 sovernty. After all if you knew that any of the major alliances had just lost 70 or so accounts, that were responsible for managing the industry side of things, what would you do? Press the issue, go to war and try and disrupt their industry even more, and efectivtly killing them.
While it would be nice to get the names it more than likley wont happen because it would have a negitave effect on those who had no idea that this had been going on inside those corps and even alliances. People need to realise that so far from what ccp have stated it was only 70 accounts, so could be less than 35 people(if they had 2 accounts each) even less. The implications for those who ARE inocent is greater than the name and shame of a handful of people who have allready been delt with.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:02:00 -
[1239]
Originally by: Shakari Sween Such as it could and probably would have a profound influence on 0.0 sovernty.
The alliances involved in this DESERVE to have their Sov stripped. How many super-capitals & outposts & POS's were funded by this exploit? How many wars were won BECAUSE of it?
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:03:00 -
[1240]
Edited by: RedSplat on 15/12/2008 21:04:40
Originally by: Shakari Sween While I can see why people want to know the names of both the corps and characters involved there are good reasons not to give them. Such as it could and probably would have a profound influence on 0.0 sovernty. After all if you knew that any of the major alliances had just lost 70 or so accounts, that were responsible for managing the industry side of things, what would you do? Press the issue, go to war and try and disrupt their industry even more, and efectivtly killing them.
While it would be nice to get the names it more than likley wont happen because it would have a negitave effect on those who had no idea that this had been going on inside those corps and even alliances. People need to realise that so far from what ccp have stated it was only 70 accounts, so could be less than 35 people(if they had 2 accounts each) even less. The implications for those who ARE innocent is greater than the name and shame of a handful of people who have allready been dealt with.
Exposure leading to large scale changes in sovereignty?
Where do i sign...
If 'X' Alliance has benefited from and been able to obtain sovereignty due to the exploit they should lose it. One way or another.
The CSM is truly just a toothless entity and just a sop to players if they cant actually influence CCP to release who was using the POS exploit.
Not disclosing names and alliances may well do more damage to CCP and simply fuel the rampant speculation that Devs were involved There was even talk of French toast
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Shakari Sween
freelancers inc KenZoku
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:05:00 -
[1241]
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Shakari Sween Such as it could and probably would have a profound influence on 0.0 sovernty.
The alliances involved in this DESERVE to have their Sov stripped. How many super-capitals & outposts & POS's were funded by this exploit? How many wars were won BECAUSE of it?
Because EVERY SINGLE PERSON in those alliances knew about it and was doing it....
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Doonoo Boonoo
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:07:00 -
[1242]
Originally by: RedSplat Edited by: RedSplat on 15/12/2008 21:04:40
Originally by: Shakari Sween While I can see why people want to know the names of both the corps and characters involved there are good reasons not to give them. Such as it could and probably would have a profound influence on 0.0 sovernty. After all if you knew that any of the major alliances had just lost 70 or so accounts, that were responsible for managing the industry side of things, what would you do? Press the issue, go to war and try and disrupt their industry even more, and efectivtly killing them.
While it would be nice to get the names it more than likley wont happen because it would have a negitave effect on those who had no idea that this had been going on inside those corps and even alliances. People need to realise that so far from what ccp have stated it was only 70 accounts, so could be less than 35 people(if they had 2 accounts each) even less. The implications for those who ARE innocent is greater than the name and shame of a handful of people who have allready been dealt with.
Exposure leading to large scale changes in sovereignty?
Where do i sign...
If 'X' Alliance has benefited from and been able to obtain sovereignty due to the exploit they should lose it. One way or another.
The CSM is truly just a toothless entity and just a sop to players if they cant actually influence CCP to release who was using the POS exploit.
Not disclosing names and alliances may well do more damage to CCP and simply fuel the rampant speculation that Devs were involved
bolded the important part
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:08:00 -
[1243]
Originally by: Shakari Sween
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Shakari Sween Such as it could and probably would have a profound influence on 0.0 sovernty.
The alliances involved in this DESERVE to have their Sov stripped. How many super-capitals & outposts & POS's were funded by this exploit? How many wars were won BECAUSE of it?
Because EVERY SINGLE PERSON in those alliances knew about it and was doing it....
The point is mute. What is the likelihood that the alliance DIDN'T know? They received dirty ISK to purchase X thing or win X ... they deserve to lose it, period.
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Havlentia Castigatrix
Gallente The Avalon Foundation Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:08:00 -
[1244]
Originally by: Shakari Sween While I can see why people want to know the names of both the corps and characters involved there are good reasons not to give them. Such as it could and probably would have a profound influence on 0.0 sovernty.
The research is already being done and there's one alliance that's going to lose a bunch of Sov shortly due to the mechanism of having a bunch of corps disbanded. Losing accounts and corps has an effect on the reality of the game, it's not like a bunch of people aren't checking the alliance lists in the corp tab for disappearances.
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Antar Neem
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Issler Dainze Edited by: Issler Dainze on 15/12/2008 20:47:59 So I am frustrated as well, I pushed back on the privacy concerns and asked for character names to be released but CCP is firm about their policies. Issler
Privacy concerns about a character, WTF. I understand releasing the name of the player might have privacy issues. But the name of an artificial digital creation, this is BS.
It smells, seems like they don't what anyone to trace the characters associations and activities.
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Kaijusan
Gallente gallach minig Corp New Eve Mining manufacturing Organisation
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:10:00 -
[1246]
Lets cut the BS...CCP is removing anything that makes them or their "friends" look bad. The odds of us knowing who did what are slim to none. All this is going to do is add fuel to the already rampant rumor mongering fires that burn here. CCP could clear up so much of the past allegations against them with regards to T20 and Bob and what not by naming the names of the characters/alliances involved. They could start to re-build that bridge of trust that got burnt down long ago. And the CSM should be threatening to resign as a united body if CCP doesnt tell us who is responsible for this.
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Havlentia Castigatrix
Gallente The Avalon Foundation Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:11:00 -
[1247]
Originally by: Shakari Sween
Because EVERY SINGLE PERSON in those alliances knew about it and was doing it....
No, just the ones with the roles necessary to setup the POS', maintain them, ask the inevitable question 'how cumz we so rich?'. Pilots without any culpability will move on, and the actual names will be listed elsewhere other than the official Eve site.
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Shakari Sween
freelancers inc KenZoku
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:14:00 -
[1248]
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Shakari Sween
Originally by: Solomon XI
Originally by: Shakari Sween Such as it could and probably would have a profound influence on 0.0 sovernty.
The alliances involved in this DESERVE to have their Sov stripped. How many super-capitals & outposts & POS's were funded by this exploit? How many wars were won BECAUSE of it?
Because EVERY SINGLE PERSON in those alliances knew about it and was doing it....
The point is mute. What is the likelihood that the alliance DIDN'T know? They received dirty ISK to purchase X thing or win X ... they deserve to lose it, period.
If every sinlge alliance member knew then all the alliances and everyone else in game would have known too, due to spies etc. The people who found this exploit more than likley saw its potential, figured that if they kept it withing a small group that they could trust they could get away with it for months, and thats exactly what happened.
The only reason why they were in an alliance in the 1st place was to get access to these moons so they could set it up. While it would be nice for ccp to name them, dont get me wrong i want to know too, I can see why they wont(even though it will be figured out eventualy). Most alliances have 300 or so people, the big ones have thousands. 70 characters for the big alliances isnt that big a loss, they loose 3+ characters a day from people leaving corps(of course prob gain a few but shh).
Basicly by nameing the corps ccp give everyone permision to black list anyone from those corps and alliances, even though they more than likley had NO IDEA what was going on or how said corp/alliance got so powerfull.
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:20:00 -
[1249]
Originally by: Shakari Sween
Basicly by nameing the corps ccp give everyone permision to black list anyone from those corps and alliances, even though they more than likley had NO IDEA what was going on or how said corp/alliance got so powerfull.
An alliance that has benefitted on a large scale from the exploit shouldnt simply be disbanded and every member kicked into an npc corp? There was even talk of French toast
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elric gallach
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:22:00 -
[1250]
Originally by: Havlentia Castigatrix
Originally by: Shakari Sween
Because EVERY SINGLE PERSON in those alliances knew about it and was doing it....
No, just the ones with the roles necessary to setup the POS', maintain them, ask the inevitable question 'how cumz we so rich?'. Pilots without any culpability will move on, and the actual names will be listed elsewhere other than the official Eve site.
and may have already been
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:27:00 -
[1251]
Originally by: elric gallach
and may have already been
Source/Link?
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:29:00 -
[1252]
Originally by: whiny idiots waaaaa coverup
Christ you people are dumb -----------
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Havlentia Castigatrix
Gallente The Avalon Foundation Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:30:00 -
[1253]
Originally by: elric gallach
and may have already been
I think the main point is there is an opportunity for CCP to take the word 'transparency' out of the hands of marketing and avoid looking dumb once we go and check out the wider convo in places on the internets where marketing have no pull.
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Havlentia Castigatrix
Gallente The Avalon Foundation Delta.Green
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:30:00 -
[1254]
Originally by: Scatim Helicon
Originally by: whiny idiots waaaaa coverup
Christ you people are dumb
Serious business.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:40:00 -
[1255]
Minutes are published -- Chribba's LoveQuest 17:00hrs Dec. 20th (Prizes!!)
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:41:00 -
[1256]
What I see so far is this:
1) Select few have been abusing the system for a very long time. At least for 2 years. 2) Somehow the "free ISK haxor" leaked, was discovered by a number of others. 3 CCP promptly steps in and "whacks things into place."
So, the deal is, what we see here with just Ev0ke thus far implicated, and just some silly 70 characters banned, is a tip of an iceberg, the tendrils of the massive corruption that has taken over many - and I am not saying all - 0.0 Alliances & Power Blocs.
There is no way on earth, as some might want us to believe, this thing has been going on a "wide-spread basis" for a mere few months, or for even 6 months. The problem is systemic, and has been present, as I only conjectured from my experience in an "official thread", and now have been confirmed by CSM, for at least 2 years.
The only way I can interpret the "wide-spread" of CCP is: "we saw that EVERYONE who is ANYONE, and THEIR PET GOLDFISH somehow found out about it, so we had to step in."
So, yes, a full disclosure is a must in this case, I am sure Ev0ke are not the only ones in this mess.
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Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2008.12.15 21:47:00 -
[1257]
Originally by: Kaijusan [snip] . . . the CSM should be threatening to resign as a united body if CCP doesnt tell us who is responsible for this.
Agree.
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John'eh
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:14:00 -
[1258]
Sad thing is, it would not be hard to add a few fields in the database to enable tracking of item ownership/creation/destruction. Triggers in the SQL DBA would do most of the work.
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:16:00 -
[1259]
Since when does personal privacy extend to alliances. I cant beleive the CSM just let that go either; characters i understand but corp/alliance? Come on.
We already know about Evoke, and if CCP wants to stop speculation (as they're locking all the threads) maybe you should, oh i dunno, TELL PEOPLE who the other alliance is, if indeed it *was* only two. ---
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Jen Lee
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:19:00 -
[1260]
[snip] . . . the CSM should be threatening to resign as a united body if CCP doesnt tell us who is responsible for this.
CSM members for the people or themselves?
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:26:00 -
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Quote: Vuk wanted to add quickly that the current petition system was not good, mostly due to the incompetence of the low level Game Masters
Best quote from the minutes, and may qualify as the understatement of the year.
LOL that we had to wait a week for these bunch of vague non-answers, but hey, that's the CCP way! I think the CSM have proven themselves to be irrelevant, we would have likely received the very same "answers" without their involvement.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Fury I think the CSM have proven themselves to be irrelevant, we would have likely received the very same "answers" without their involvement.
...but would we have gotten them as quickly without the CSM?
Remeber the t20 incident took months to get any sort of "answers". -- Chribba's LoveQuest 17:00hrs Dec. 20th (Prizes!!)
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Delos Korelian
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Since when does personal privacy extend to alliances. I cant beleive the CSM just let that go either; characters i understand but corp/alliance? Come on.
We already know about Evoke, and if CCP wants to stop speculation (as they're locking all the threads) maybe you should, oh i dunno, TELL PEOPLE who the other alliance is, if indeed it *was* only two.
QFT. LOL, CSM rolling over again and playing nice doggy with CCP.
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Doc Fury
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Doc Fury I think the CSM have proven themselves to be irrelevant, we would have likely received the very same "answers" without their involvement.
...but would we have gotten them as quickly without the CSM?
Remeber the t20 incident took months to get any sort of "answers".
We get "answers" quicker now because CCP can craft their spin with the CSM as their soundingboard and then just point back at the CSM (when the players rabble) and spout crap like "transparency".
IMHO the CSM is just another layer of damage control/insulation for CCP. It is so, so, truly sad the CSM's purpose and responsibilities aren't what was originally promised by CCP's CEO after the t20 incident.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.12.15 22:48:00 -
[1265]
Originally by: Doc Fury
We get "answers" quicker now because CCP can craft their spin with the CSM as their soundingboard and then just point back at the CSM (when the players rabble) and spout crap like "transparency".
IMHO the CSM is just another layer of damage control/insulation for CCP. It is so, so, truly sad the CSM's purpose and responsibilities aren't what was originally promised by CCP's CEO after the t20 incident.
I couldn't agree more with you. =====
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Delos Korelian
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Posted - 2008.12.15 23:28:00 -
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I think this is apt, considering that CSM is just a joke when it comes to its dealings with CCP, the first CSM was a resounding failure with issues unresolved, and they all went nicely home.
Originally by: Delos Korelian
Didn't you know, CSM is CCP's poodle, and it is growing big and strong, and is growing fast...
Its a good doggie, that loves to be petted, and is very pretty, especially to show to others on how democratic and transparent things are.
Well, I tell you, the problem is, which no one knows, but soon will realize, that CCP had the poodle fixed, and had its teeth pulled out. So, all it can do is wag the tail, bark, and roll over and play dead. Oh, and it loves its belly rubbed.
O7
Now, I am going to frog march myself out.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.12.15 23:36:00 -
[1267]
Edited by: Solomon XI on 15/12/2008 23:36:13 Alright, I just read the minutes ... what the **** was that, really?
***
Talk about dancing around a bush, here. I waited a week for this? Vague questions and even vaguer answers?
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Oh Hamburgers
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Posted - 2008.12.15 23:50:00 -
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Regat Kozovv
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.15 23:56:00 -
[1269]
Signed.
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KAELA MENSHA
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Posted - 2008.12.16 00:10:00 -
[1270]
Edited by: KAELA MENSHA on 16/12/2008 00:10:51 CCP = Crappy Code Purveyors
CSM = Corporate S**t Management
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Squirrrel
Gallente Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.16 01:41:00 -
[1271]
Originally by: Havlentia Castigatrix
Originally by: Haakelen They are obligated to follow their own terms of service and privacy policy, lest someone sue them.
You'll find that everything they supply is their property, meaning the data.
Originally by: Haakelen
The nerdragers here talk a whole lot about 'respect' and 'trust' of the playerbase (nice of you to speak for all of us).
Yeah, it eventually translates into the commercial reality of people jumping ship once there is a competing product on the market.
Originally by: Haakelen
I would have considerably less trust and respect for CCP if they revealed private information, or decided to point their fingers at people.
Oh, you silly bear, a character name isn't private information. I can see hundreds in local on a daily basis. As for pointing fingers, a ban is pretty pointy.
Spot on.
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Squirrrel
Gallente Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.16 01:55:00 -
[1272]
Originally by: Kaijusan Lets cut the BS...CCP is removing anything that makes them or their "friends" look bad. The odds of us knowing who did what are slim to none. All this is going to do is add fuel to the already rampant rumor mongering fires that burn here. CCP could clear up so much of the past allegations against them with regards to T20 and Bob and what not by naming the names of the characters/alliances involved. They could start to re-build that bridge of trust that got burnt down long ago. And the CSM should be threatening to resign as a united body if CCP doesnt tell us who is responsible for this.
... and is it just me or doesn't this seem very suspicious and sound like spin?
It really comes across as over-compensating for the real facts...
update regarding the starbase exploit reported by GM Grimmi | 2008.12.11 13:29:29
On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy, a petition from a concerned player alerted us to a serious problem with Starbase reactors. The petition had been filed five days earlier, a far longer waiting time than we can accept with our current queue status and we have now taken measures to fix that. We immediately started investigating the issue and found that there was indeed a problem and that it was being exploited to gain unfair advantages.
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Bunyip
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Posted - 2008.12.16 05:30:00 -
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You can never please some people...
I have been nothing but forthcoming to the events as I interpret them, without CCP intervention. Yes, QA screwed up on letting this exploit through, but it was inevitable that it would happen sooner or later. Yes, Petitions screwed up on letting this get caught in the paperwork for 5 days. Yes, the answers we have now are somewhat vague.
If something like this occured in another game, what kind of response do you think you'd get. I've played many other games, and the usual response is "It's something we can't fix, the code won't let us." What you have now is a corporation that admitted wrongdoing in the T2O scandal (although they didn't handle it well), and who is willing to devote a lot of their time to sifting through the old records to find any traces of wrongdoing and take irrevocable action to the accounts.
You call me CCP's lapdog, and you have that right. I have given you the answers based on what I got from the meeting, but I am still restricted by the NDA. This exploit was a disaster monetarily, and it will take some time to fix, but we're not talking about big brother here. I advise you to be patient, and you can always reach me in the chatroom titled 'CSM Chat' or via evemail or convo.
What more can I say?
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
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Posted - 2008.12.16 05:49:00 -
[1274]
Originally by: Electra Deis Very much signed. IIRC part of the purpose behind the CSM was to provide transparency to CCPs actions wasn't it?
**** knows we need it on this.
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shuckstar
Hauling hogs
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Posted - 2008.12.16 06:20:00 -
[1275]
Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd
Originally by: Electra Deis Very much signed. IIRC part of the purpose behind the CSM was to provide transparency to CCPs actions wasn't it?
**** knows we need it on this.
qft and signed.
Yep and signed again, tell us the ****ing full story
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Bunyip
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Posted - 2008.12.16 07:06:00 -
[1276]
Originally by: Antar Neem Privacy concerns about a character, WTF. I understand releasing the name of the player might have privacy issues. But the name of an artificial digital creation, this is BS.
It smells, seems like they don't what anyone to trace the characters associations and activities.
I'll probably have to put on my fire-******ant suit for this one, but I agree with what CCP is doing. If they release character names, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to link names to the alliances (unless they purged all info from that character's affiliation and all rosters) - People and Places can do that in a minute.
People know Eve better than that by now. We'd have people who had nothing to do with this scandal all the sudden hunted down wherever they go, and if they try to join another corp, only about 2% of the playerbase would even take them. Soon, they'd quit their accounts as they aren't able to do what they used to enjoy doing.
Yes, CCP is receiving a lot of flak for this, but I admire them for sticking to their guns. CCP is choosing to take the heat rather than innocent people in alliances which few people would be guilty, and playing the martyr.
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Squirrrel
Gallente Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.16 08:04:00 -
[1277]
Originally by: Bunyip
Originally by: Antar Neem Privacy concerns about a character, WTF. I understand releasing the name of the player might have privacy issues. But the name of an artificial digital creation, this is BS.
It smells, seems like they don't what anyone to trace the characters associations and activities.
I'll probably have to put on my fire-******ant suit for this one, but I agree with what CCP is doing. If they release character names, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to link names to the alliances (unless they purged all info from that character's affiliation and all rosters) - People and Places can do that in a minute.
People know Eve better than that by now. We'd have people who had nothing to do with this scandal all the sudden hunted down wherever they go, and if they try to join another corp, only about 2% of the playerbase would even take them. Soon, they'd quit their accounts as they aren't able to do what they used to enjoy doing.
Yes, CCP is receiving a lot of flak for this, but I admire them for sticking to their guns. CCP is choosing to take the heat rather than innocent people in alliances which few people would be guilty, and playing the martyr.
And here I was thinking that the CSM were supposed to be the players' representatives...
Regarding the previous post about some people never being happy etc. that may well be true. However, it's obvious from the published minutes that the exact nature of the length nd breadth of the issue from ALL angles is not yet established, or CCP were being evasive on purpose.
The jury is still out on which of the two is fact.
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Machachagogo
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Posted - 2008.12.16 09:15:00 -
[1278]
My understanding of the EULA was that even though we create the character we do not have any rights to it.
Name the involved characters, it's not like all of us have access to the player DB and can connect a charname (thats not even our property) to a real world person.
personally i feel that it is nessecary to at least "name and shame" the corps and alliances involved EVEN IF the characters involved are not named.
hell CCP, why not turn this around and have some news regarding low grade or impure Ferrogel being sold by these corporations and how they have been disbanded by the concord. just an idea but it may just dig your bums out of the fire here you could even write about it in eve chronicles
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Boomershoot
Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.12.16 10:04:00 -
[1279]
Edited by: Boomershoot on 16/12/2008 10:04:07 Signed. Because T20 wasn't that bad afterall.
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Squirrrel
Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.16 10:31:00 -
[1280]
Originally by: Machachagogo My understanding of the EULA was that even though we create the character we do not have any rights to it.
Name the involved characters, it's not like all of us have access to the player DB and can connect a charname (thats not even our property) to a real world person.
personally i feel that it is nessecary to at least "name and shame" the corps and alliances involved EVEN IF the characters involved are not named.
hell CCP, why not turn this around and have some news regarding low grade or impure Ferrogel being sold by these corporations and how they have been disbanded by the concord. just an idea but it may just dig your bums out of the fire here you could even write about it in eve chronicles
Nope. CCP don't want to "point fingers" (Although perma-banning an account is far more than pointing a finger) nor do they want to change their policy of revealing character names "on a whim."
I mean, this instance of exploiting having "considerable and far reaching" effects on the market is purely whimsical, nothing to see here, please move on etc. etc.
I for one cannot believe the arrogance of some of the minute responses, in addition to many other official responses.
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Tellnan Matkiel
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.16 11:16:00 -
[1281]
Originally by: Squirrrel
Originally by: Machachagogo My understanding of the EULA was that even though we create the character we do not have any rights to it.
Name the involved characters, it's not like all of us have access to the player DB and can connect a charname (thats not even our property) to a real world person.
personally i feel that it is nessecary to at least "name and shame" the corps and alliances involved EVEN IF the characters involved are not named.
hell CCP, why not turn this around and have some news regarding low grade or impure Ferrogel being sold by these corporations and how they have been disbanded by the concord. just an idea but it may just dig your bums out of the fire here you could even write about it in eve chronicles
Nope. CCP don't want to "point fingers" (Although perma-banning an account is far more than pointing a finger) nor do they want to change their policy of revealing character names "on a whim."
I mean, this instance of exploiting having "considerable and far reaching" effects on the market is purely whimsical, nothing to see here, please move on etc. etc.
I for one cannot believe the arrogance of some of the minute responses, in addition to many other official responses.
If it annoys you so much, quit.
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Posted - 2008.12.16 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Squirrrel
I for one cannot believe the arrogance of some of the minute responses, in addition to many other official responses.
If you want arrogance check some of the posts made by players demanding the naming and shaming of those involved. Nobody will be getting any names so wtf are you going to do about it.
Cry more [ ] stfu [ ] quit [ ]
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BECHA Lee
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Posted - 2008.12.16 12:19:00 -
[1283]
Signed.
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Jah'Ret Khan
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.16 12:40:00 -
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The sheer volume of nerd rage here is awesome.
CCP have punished the culprits, as is their mandate. They don't have to do anything else. No matter how much you rabble and cry or how important you think your opinion is.
Job done, exploit gone, move on.
You really want to try and figure out who was benefitting from this?
Look towards the alliances that have been churning out super caps like they were Rifters.
But don't forget to shake the blame at the thousands of people who innocently bought the components off the market.
And don't forget to scream at the people who made them into T2 items and ships and sold them.
And best get ready to pound on the door of the people that bought and used them.
A lot of EVE benefitted from this over the past 4 years.
The perpetrators are gone. Setting up innocent parties for persecution achieves nothing but satisfying fat hormonal nerd rage. It entertains me more to leave you unsatisfied.
Deal with it. Thanks for fixing this CCP. ************************** We go ZOOM-ZOOM! You go BOOM-BOOM!
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Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2008.12.16 13:56:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.12.16 17:11:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip We'd have people who had nothing to do with this scandal all the sudden hunted down wherever they go, and if they try to join another corp, only about 2% of the playerbase would even take them.
Did you ever think CEO's, like me (and I vote), would not LIKE to take those party to this exploit into our corps? There's a reason we name and shame corp thieves and dishonorable players like duel jumpers.
If them not being accepted to corps became a problem, there's not a damn thing stopping them from creating their own corps. ---
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La Sciura
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Posted - 2008.12.16 17:27:00 -
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.16 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip Edited by: Bunyip on 16/12/2008 05:58:52 You can never please some people...
I have been nothing but forthcoming to the events as I interpret them, without CCP intervention. Yes, QA screwed up on letting this exploit through, but it was inevitable that it would happen sooner or later. Yes, Petitions screwed up on letting this get caught in the paperwork for 5 days. Yes, the answers we have now are somewhat vague.
If something like this occured in another game, what kind of response do you think you'd get. I've played many other games, and the usual response is "It's something we can't fix, the code won't let us." What you have now is a corporation that admitted wrongdoing in the T2O scandal (although they didn't handle it well), and who is willing to devote a lot of their time to sifting through the old records to find any traces of wrongdoing and take irrevocable action to the accounts.
You call me CCP's lapdog, and you have that right. I have given you the answers based on what I got from the meeting, but I am still restricted by the NDA. This exploit was a disaster monetarily, and it will take some time to fix, but we're not talking about big brother here. I advise you to be patient, and you can always reach me or my alt (Krazeek) in the chatroom titled 'CSM Chat' or via evemail or convo.
What more can I say?
yes, some people will never be happy and much more are happy only if they can wave some "great conspiracy" theory.
I have some limited idea how a database search work and the thought of the time and manpower needed to check 4 years of game logs, probably needing CCP to set up several of the old builds on the internal server to see if the exploit was possible stagger me (think about it, boys, the need to load the old build and the old data to check for the exploit possibility and the towers using it, how much time that take? Doen for each old build?).
So while I want more informations when they will be available, what CCP has given so far is reasonable for the time elapsed. And remember, every hour they spend on this is 1 less hour on game development and optimization.
So thums up to CCP and CSM work so far. Continue with it.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.16 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
Originally by: Bunyip We'd have people who had nothing to do with this scandal all the sudden hunted down wherever they go, and if they try to join another corp, only about 2% of the playerbase would even take them.
Did you ever think CEO's, like me (and I vote), would not LIKE to take those party to this exploit into our corps? There's a reason we name and shame corp thieves and dishonorable players like duel jumpers.
If them not being accepted to corps became a problem, there's not a damn thing stopping them from creating their own corps.
The point is that someone that has been in the wrong corp or alliance for some time and did know nothing of the exploit and didn't even benefit indirectly from it will be treated as if he was one of the culprit. If you name and shame the alliance/corp people will not to differentiate between wrongdoers and simple bystanders.
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.12.16 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jinx Barker on 16/12/2008 22:32:06
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde
Originally by: Bunyip We'd have people who had nothing to do with this scandal all the sudden hunted down wherever they go, and if they try to join another corp, only about 2% of the playerbase would even take them.
Did you ever think CEO's, like me (and I vote), would not LIKE to take those party to this exploit into our corps? There's a reason we name and shame corp thieves and dishonorable players like duel jumpers.
If them not being accepted to corps became a problem, there's not a damn thing stopping them from creating their own corps.
The point is that someone that has been in the wrong corp or alliance for some time and did know nothing of the exploit and didn't even benefit indirectly from it will be treated as if he was one of the culprit. If you name and shame the alliance/corp people will not to differentiate between wrongdoers and simple bystanders.
Does that mean I have a misguided faith in good nature of most people? Because I believe the opposite, I believe that should we know the names of the characters banned, and their corporations, and alliances - community as a whole will be able to ferret out their associations. Someone remembers doing business with them, someone remembers a name mentioned briefly, someone remembers mistake on forums, etc, etc, and the bigger picture comes out.
For example, just because T20 was part of BoB, I do not think for a second that everyone in BoB are low life cheaters. Nor do I believe that all Goons are evil in game scammers, even though many are known for it.
I think we should give credit to sensible people who would not paint everyone with the same brush.
And, finally, the most important point for me personally: the scale of the cheating could not have gone unnoticed by the leadership of the corporation, and alliance. Regular grunts might have benefited because they got cheap/free ships, or some T2 on the side, but it is the leadership that either chose to turn a blind eye, or willfully ignored, or even worse, was complicit in this mess.
I personally am ready to believe a rank and file guys at Ev0ke that they were not in any way complicit or were aware of the issue. I am, however, less eager to believe the leaders. Because, should I be a leader of a corporation, or an alliance, whether I am a carebear, or I am an ardent FC, I am first, and foremost a manager of a large group of people - as a manager, and a leader, I have responsibility, for budgets, organization OPs, for the ISK spent and ISK gained, and I should, and honestly WOULD learn the sources and sinks.
So yes, grunts really do get a pass, leadership people do not. And we mostly know who were the grunts, and who were the leaders in 90% of the cases, and the associations.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.12.16 23:12:00 -
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I couldn't agree more with Jinx.
And I would like to add that it is our right, of each one of us, to judge the information as we see fit. If some of us will use it as excuse to go after supposedly innocent people is because they have an agenda against those people and they would use any excuse, really.
Saying what we should or should not know, because you feel we are not prepared to handle it, is trying to be our big brother. Which is not only offensive as it is dellusional. =====
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2008.12.17 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jinx Barker And, finally, the most important point for me personally: the scale of the cheating could not have gone unnoticed by the leadership of the corporation, and alliance. Regular grunts might have benefited because they got cheap/free ships, or some T2 on the side, but it is the leadership that either chose to turn a blind eye, or willfully ignored, or even worse, was complicit in this mess.
I must have missed the portion of the Corporation interface that shows what the production of each station is. Sure, I can see what's deployed in space. I can see the size of the wallet. But I can't see what people have put into or taken out of silos or reactors in a POS. I can't see what people have sold under their own name on the market.
So it's entirely feasible that the folks responsible for this fiasco were doing so on their own bat, using sovereignty POS to host their broken reactors, shipping goods on their own time and pocketing the profit themselves.
I would go so far to suggest that corporations which are still active are obviously not involved in the "grand scale" exploitation that was happening recently. So pointing fingers at currently-active corporations to suggest that they were exploiters looks to me like you're engaging in a witch-hunt.
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Squirrrel
Gallente Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.17 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tellnan Matkiel
Originally by: Squirrrel
Originally by: Machachagogo My understanding of the EULA was that even though we create the character we do not have any rights to it.
Name the involved characters, it's not like all of us have access to the player DB and can connect a charname (thats not even our property) to a real world person.
personally i feel that it is nessecary to at least "name and shame" the corps and alliances involved EVEN IF the characters involved are not named.
hell CCP, why not turn this around and have some news regarding low grade or impure Ferrogel being sold by these corporations and how they have been disbanded by the concord. just an idea but it may just dig your bums out of the fire here you could even write about it in eve chronicles
Nope. CCP don't want to "point fingers" (Although perma-banning an account is far more than pointing a finger) nor do they want to change their policy of revealing character names "on a whim."
I mean, this instance of exploiting having "considerable and far reaching" effects on the market is purely whimsical, nothing to see here, please move on etc. etc.
I for one cannot believe the arrogance of some of the minute responses, in addition to many other official responses.
If it annoys you so much, quit.
Yeah, why fight for change when you can just run away like a little girl?
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.12.17 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
I must have missed the portion of the Corporation interface that shows what the production of each station is. Sure, I can see what's deployed in space. I can see the size of the wallet. But I can't see what people have put into or taken out of silos or reactors in a POS. I can't see what people have sold under their own name on the market.
So it's entirely feasible that the folks responsible for this fiasco were doing so on their own bat, using sovereignty POS to host their broken reactors, shipping goods on their own time and pocketing the profit themselves.
I would go so far to suggest that corporations which are still active are obviously not involved in the "grand scale" exploitation that was happening recently. So pointing fingers at currently-active corporations to suggest that they were exploiters looks to me like you're engaging in a witch-hunt.
You can see:
1) What is in each person's hangar (you should check from time to time your directors...
2) How much money and assets are your operations generating and what these operations are.
Sure if the person in question used all the cheat money for personal gain, and personal gain only, it is harder to realize. But if your Corp or alliance is receiving extra hundreds of billions of ISK from nowhere each month, you would be stupid not to ask yourself how...
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Squirrrel
Gallente Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.17 02:18:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel
You can see:
1) What is in each person's hangar (you should check from time to time your directors...
Depends where they kept it. If it wasn't in a Corporate Office or HQ - you'd never see it.
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
2) How much money and assets are your operations generating and what these operations are.
How so? If I deploy a corp POS it will register as deployed in space and evemails will come in from time to time about fuel or combat, but what I put into it or take out of it doesn't show anywhere. If I transfer it to an alt for selling on the market or sell it personally and not via a corp wallet - that won't register either.
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Sure if the person in question used all the cheat money for personal gain, and personal gain only, it is harder to realize. But if your Corp or alliance is receiving extra hundreds of billions of ISK from nowhere each month, you would be stupid not to ask yourself how...
Thats a different story for sure, however many players would say the sold GTC's, ratted, pirated, scammed - and hit the jackpot with a working system.
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.12.17 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Jinx Barker And, finally, the most important point for me personally: the scale of the cheating could not have gone unnoticed by the leadership of the corporation, and alliance. Regular grunts might have benefited because they got cheap/free ships, or some T2 on the side, but it is the leadership that either chose to turn a blind eye, or willfully ignored, or even worse, was complicit in this mess.
I must have missed the portion of the Corporation interface that shows what the production of each station is. Sure, I can see what's deployed in space. I can see the size of the wallet. But I can't see what people have put into or taken out of silos or reactors in a POS. I can't see what people have sold under their own name on the market.
So it's entirely feasible that the folks responsible for this fiasco were doing so on their own bat, using sovereignty POS to host their broken reactors, shipping goods on their own time and pocketing the profit themselves.
I would go so far to suggest that corporations which are still active are obviously not involved in the "grand scale" exploitation that was happening recently. So pointing fingers at currently-active corporations to suggest that they were exploiters looks to me like you're engaging in a witch-hunt.
I think you are working very hard at trying to twist things out context, and excusing an unacceptable behavior with willful obfuscation.
If you are a leader of an alliance, or a CEO of a corporation, or even a member of the council or directorship - you have to ask questions about things, and learn about operations of your entity. What you have described above as an excuse for "not knowing" is exactly what I mean by "turning a blind eye" to the problem.
If you run an alliance, or a corporation, you learn how ISK coming in, you learn the numbers, which are pretty standard, you will learn the general lay of the land, so to speak. You would also be able to compare numbers and contributions coming in from different corporations, and how all things interact. You many not learn significant intricacies, but I am sure as hell you would notice if one or two of your corporations would start posting record gains and contributions.
I am sure as hell that those with ISK will always will out, and if I was in a possession of the exploit, and wanted to keep it quiet I would subvert the leadership with the unlimited spending power I posses. In any event, what you said equates to "blind eye" and "willful ignorance" and as such can be used as justification.
The whole thing operated like a criminal enterprise, and the trillions of ISK acquired were at least partially spent on propping up the Alliances involved, and if the leadership of those alliances and corporations chose to ignore the seemingly inordinate, and somewhat large sums of ISK coming from limited sources, they are guilty due to their ignorance.
I am not on a witch hunt, no matter how hard you would want to make it so. I am certain however, that the exploit was too big to be just a small hiccup in one or two 0.0 entities, and is actually a systemic problem that existed in limited circles for a very long time, again, due to the sheer scope of it - Evoke and some "other" alliance are not the only guilty parties, it does not make sense if they are the only ones.
Best of luck in your further obfuscation efforts, they are rather transparent.
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Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.12.17 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Etho Demerzel on 17/12/2008 02:53:49
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How so? If I deploy a corp POS it will register as deployed in space and evemails will come in from time to time about fuel or combat, but what I put into it or take out of it doesn't show anywhere. If I transfer it to an alt for selling on the market or sell it personally and not via a corp wallet - that won't register either.
If you are a corp CEO you know how many towers your corp has and where they are and what modules are present in each of them. You will also know the modules existant in such poses and what they are there for.
The quality of the moons and what come from them are also a very important information, as you will have to decide what needs to be protected.
So basically you know all the activities your corp does to produce large amounts of money. If the incoming money is considerably greater than those activities could produce you should ask yourself where it is coming from.
Originally by: Etho Demerzel
Thats a different story for sure, however many players would say the sold GTC's, ratted, pirated, scammed - and hit the jackpot with a working system.
In none of these cases a player would be able to pour several hundreds of billions of ISK into a corp. And even if by some miracle he would it should arise at least the curiosity of the CEO and directors of such corp to know where the hell it is coming from. =====
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Scatim Helicon
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.17 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel In none of these cases a player would be able to pour several hundreds of billions of ISK into a corp. And even if by some miracle he would it should arise at least the curiosity of the CEO and directors of such corp to know where the hell it is coming from.
You assume that the ferrogel dupers were donating their profits into the corp, and not using the exploit for themselves. Just because they were 'able' to put billions into the corp wallet, doesn't mean they were doing so.
If I had been running a scheme like this, the vast bulk, if not all of the profits would be going to my own NPC corp alts. -----------
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fuze
Gallente Chosen Path
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Posted - 2008.12.17 12:41:00 -
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CCP won't disclose anything when its not spilled out by someone on a 3rd party forum. Even then they try to tell just enough to silence the majority. Best thing we the players can do is ask more and see what the response is.
How big was ev0ke's and affiliates stake in this all?
What happened with the isk anyway? Was the most of it spent or sitting in some accounts?
Will CCP try and hinder people trying to find out the names of the rest of those 70 people?
Did CCP caught laundering alts suspected ask ISK farmer white washers which turned out to be affiliated with one of these 70 people?
Were there cases of those 70 people related to RMT deals?
Will CCP try to take legal actions against some of these 70 people who violated the EULA in such a way it can be proved that CCP was damaged financially?
Will CCP disclose information if there were CCP employees involved?
Since CCP already confirmed that once petitions and bug reports are submitted its impossible to remove them did they investigate what happened with them and who handled them? And if so will they disclose this information?
Will CCP research the effects of yet another scandal and if so will they make the results public?
Even when a player is smart enough not to get greedy with his undetected duping and using a anonymous alt for this will it still be possible to get caught by some randomized CCP investigation?
Does CCP investigate reports of misconducts submitted by people who read it on 3rd party forums?
Did this whole scandal result in a renewed discussion about prioritizing resources on eg. GM/QA/Dev?
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Squirrrel
Gallente Squirrrel Industries
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Posted - 2008.12.17 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Scatim Helicon
Originally by: Etho Demerzel In none of these cases a player would be able to pour several hundreds of billions of ISK into a corp. And even if by some miracle he would it should arise at least the curiosity of the CEO and directors of such corp to know where the hell it is coming from.
You assume that the ferrogel dupers were donating their profits into the corp, and not using the exploit for themselves. Just because they were 'able' to put billions into the corp wallet, doesn't mean they were doing so.
If I had been running a scheme like this, the vast bulk, if not all of the profits would be going to my own NPC corp alts.
Exactly. And they could easily be donating enough of the proceeds to the corp to qualify as "standard" moon mining. By donating masses amounts in the manner you should suggest probably would raise alarm bells, and therefore risk the exploiter becoming exposed to spies or his own corp/alliance ratting him out.
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Tellnan Matkiel
Gallente The Industrial Consortium
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Posted - 2008.12.17 17:00:00 -
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Posted - 2008.12.17 21:48:00 -
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Damion Jawface
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.17 23:06:00 -
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Support + 1
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ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2008.12.18 01:50:00 -
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Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected]) |
XLzd Commander
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Posted - 2008.12.18 09:51:00 -
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perpetrators put on stake
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Vexara
Mentat Assassins
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Posted - 2008.12.18 10:55:00 -
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I agree it will never happen, but support this 100% even a detailed nameless list of all the steps that CCP is going through and what they have discovered during the search would be an amazing turn around for them. The entire game is tainted by this going on, I mean what is the point of playing this game when its filled with cheaters? |
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Minmatar PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing
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Edited by: gordon861 on 18/12/2008 12:29:27 Edited by: gordon861 on 18/12/2008 12:28:55 I seem to remember one game a while back that went so far as naming and shaming exploiting characters, and then went on to have them publicly crucified in a major city in the game and left them up for a week for all to see and abuse.
Concord needs to act...
edit : found the link http://news.mmosite.com/data/p/u/2006/03/23/1665892620.html
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Prostomaria
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Lrrp
Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.12.18 14:23:00 -
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So the "weekend" has come and gone and 44 pages of text here and 76 pages in the ccp originated thread and still no open "transparency". CCP seems like the politician caught red-handed doing something wrong and then hopes by not saying anything interest will wane and go away.
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Neti Keire
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.12.18 15:51:00 -
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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.12.18 20:56:00 -
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Absolutely no to the list of names.
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Mr Maestro
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Top Trader
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Posted - 2008.12.19 03:55:00 -
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Edited by: Top Trader on 19/12/2008 03:54:55 Name and shame the cheaters. Full transparency!
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Jedefhor
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JorEl Tarasque
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Posted - 2008.12.19 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: gordon861 Edited by: gordon861 on 18/12/2008 12:29:27 Edited by: gordon861 on 18/12/2008 12:28:55 I seem to remember one game a while back that went so far as naming and shaming exploiting characters, and then went on to have them publicly crucified in a major city in the game and left them up for a week for all to see and abuse.
Concord needs to act...
edit : found the link http://news.mmosite.com/data/p/u/2006/03/23/1665892620.html
This was actually pretty clever. Thanks for the post.
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.12.19 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: CCP: Exploit Update for the 19th of December
Update: (12/19/2008)
Here is an update on the investigation into the Starbase reactor exploit that we are currently conducting:
1. CCP has confirmed that this bug has been exploitable since February 2007. Changes to the Starbases code from launch until February 2007 are minimal and very unlikely to have caused the bug. So at this point we are working on the assumption that this bug has been exploitable since the release of player owned structures on November 24th, 2004. We will therefore focus solely on looking at Starbases data in order to determine who has been using this exploit, and for how long.
2. CCP has been able to restore older databases that show us that the bug has been exploited since at least January this year, but at a lower scale than in the last few months. The players involved then were the same ones that we found and banned recently. We are now working on restoring data from 2006 which will take us several days. It is uncertain if we will be able to have answers on that before holiday vacations.
3. CCP has been able to access data from our old petition system. We have been unable to confirm that a petition was filed in 2004, 2005 or 2006 pointing out this bug with Starbases. We urge anyone with information on who and when a petition on this issue was filed to contact us directly through the petition system under the Exploit Category. Alternatively, an email sent to [email protected] with details on the matter would be much appreciated.
4. The full investigation will take several weeks. CCP will be in direct contact with the CSM to discuss this issue and we will provide information to the community as it becomes available.
5. We have done a thorough investigation on our staff members and CSM members and found no links to this exploit.
6. Our actions so far have included the eradication of 178 starbases that were exploiting this issue. Some had multiple reactors running in the bugged state. We have also banned all those we have found directly involved and all accounts we have found to be connected to those players. The investigation is still under way and will take a while to conclude.
We will continue to work hard to understand the overall impact of this exploit and how widespread it was. We ask for your patience until more information becomes available....
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GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.12.19 22:36:00 -
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butbutbut I thought CCP were sweeping all this under the rug to cover up for their cheating friends???? How can they be releasing more information now and continuing with their investigation this is all so confusing! -----------
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Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2008.12.19 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Bunyip Yes, CCP is receiving a lot of flak for this, but I admire them for sticking to their guns. CCP is choosing to take the heat rather than innocent people in alliances which few people would be guilty, and playing the martyr.
Justify this:
Started playing eve May this year. I played for months, then they put a major patch in. Some things changed and I put in a petition. Discovered I was playing a game no one else had access to. Being a Noob, I didn't belong to a corp or alliance, didn't know the game I was playing was different from the one everyone else was playing. To make an incredibly long story short, CCP GMC was provided screen shots,databases, etc., and to this day they insist the game we were playing did not and does not exist. They removed "non-existent" items from my hangar; got all the details from me; had eye-witness account from one of their "players" befriending me in-game and actually playing that game with me. I didn't know the rats didn't talk to everyone, etc., announce when enemies entered the system, etc. I know now, so I played for 5 months this game.
It was a game code hidden in EVE that I stumbled upon and won! and they took it from me. They know one of theirs is cheating for someone. I won a game I wasn't suppose to. They took it from me. They deny to this day that game exists.
CCP will never oust the culprits because the culprit is CCP. That game was entirely too extensive for it not to have been programmed. Told me I was finding a series of plexes, and explorations that never appeared in my tabs. In other words, they lied and when the lie didn't work they denied, then closed their eyes and blamed it on my noobiness.
I have pages and pages of communications between my self and CCP petition personnel. They insist, "if the people who wrote the program say that game does not exist, it doesn't. They would know". If they didn't investigate that - they won't investigate this. People who have viewed my documentation agree - THIS WAS FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN ME ! ! ! It is not an exploit, not a bug. It is programed cheating.
If this body wants copies of my documentation and correspondence between CCP and myself and all others involved, we will gladly provide it. Those who quit over this cheat are willing to come back and provide evidence. Others are too disgusted and won't.
Now, Mr. Bunyip, are you for us or them. You have a viable, genuine, living willing victim here. Are you, this body, going to investigate and prevent further cheating? WE are proof CCP not only condones but programs these cheats into their game. Why else would they not investigate when all proof is provided?
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Issler Dainze
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Posted - 2008.12.20 03:10:00 -
[1319]
Originally by: Rata Nrnima
Originally by: Bunyip Yes, CCP is receiving a lot of flak for this, but I admire them for sticking to their guns. CCP is choosing to take the heat rather than innocent people in alliances which few people would be guilty, and playing the martyr.
Justify this:
Started playing eve May this year. I played for months, then they put a major patch in. Some things changed and I put in a petition. Discovered I was playing a game no one else had access to. Being a Noob, I didn't belong to a corp or alliance, didn't know the game I was playing was different from the one everyone else was playing. To make an incredibly long story short, CCP GMC was provided screen shots,databases, etc., and to this day they insist the game we were playing did not and does not exist. They removed "non-existent" items from my hangar; got all the details from me; had eye-witness account from one of their "players" befriending me in-game and actually playing that game with me. I didn't know the rats didn't talk to everyone, etc., announce when enemies entered the system, etc. I know now, so I played for 5 months this game.
It was a game code hidden in EVE that I stumbled upon and won! and they took it from me. They know one of theirs is cheating for someone. I won a game I wasn't suppose to. They took it from me. They deny to this day that game exists.
CCP will never oust the culprits because the culprit is CCP. That game was entirely too extensive for it not to have been programmed. Told me I was finding a series of plexes, and explorations that never appeared in my tabs. In other words, they lied and when the lie didn't work they denied, then closed their eyes and blamed it on my noobiness.
I have pages and pages of communications between my self and CCP petition personnel. They insist, "if the people who wrote the program say that game does not exist, it doesn't. They would know". If they didn't investigate that - they won't investigate this. People who have viewed my documentation agree - THIS WAS FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN ME ! ! ! It is not an exploit, not a bug. It is programed cheating.
If this body wants copies of my documentation and correspondence between CCP and myself and all others involved, we will gladly provide it. Those who quit over this cheat are willing to come back and provide evidence. Others are too disgusted and won't.
Now, Mr. Bunyip, are you for us or them. You have a viable, genuine, living willing victim here. Are you, this body, going to investigate and prevent further cheating? WE are proof CCP not only condones but programs these cheats into their game. Why else would they not investigate when all proof is provided?
I would be very interested in seeing what you have to document the situation you describe.
Issler
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William Pierce
Universal Army
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Posted - 2008.12.20 05:07:00 -
[1320]
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Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2008.12.20 06:02:00 -
[1321]
Edited by: Rata Nrnima on 20/12/2008 06:08:14
Originally by: Issler Dainze
Originally by: Rata Nrnima
Originally by: Bunyip Yes, CCP is receiving a lot of flak for this, but I admire them for sticking to their guns. CCP is choosing to take the heat rather than innocent people in alliances which few people would be guilty, and playing the martyr.
Justify this:
Started playing eve May this year. I played for months, then they put a major patch in. Some things changed and I put in a petition. Discovered I was playing a game no one else had access to. Being a Noob, I didn't belong to a corp or alliance, didn't know the game I was playing was different from the one everyone else was playing. To make an incredibly long story short, CCP GMC was provided screen shots,databases, etc., and to this day they insist the game we were playing did not and does not exist. They removed "non-existent" items from my hangar; got all the details from me; had eye-witness account from one of their "players" befriending me in-game and actually playing that game with me. I didn't know the rats didn't talk to everyone, etc., announce when enemies entered the system, etc. I know now, so I played for 5 months this game.
It was a game code hidden in EVE that I stumbled upon and won! and they took it from me. They know one of theirs is cheating for someone. I won a game I wasn't suppose to. They took it from me. They deny to this day that game exists.
CCP will never oust the culprits because the culprit is CCP. That game was entirely too extensive for it not to have been programmed. Told me I was finding a series of plexes, and explorations that never appeared in my tabs. In other words, they lied and when the lie didn't work they denied, then closed their eyes and blamed it on my noobiness.
I have pages and pages of communications between my self and CCP petition personnel. They insist, "if the people who wrote the program say that game does not exist, it doesn't. They would know". If they didn't investigate that - they won't investigate this. People who have viewed my documentation agree - THIS WAS FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN ME ! ! ! It is not an exploit, not a bug. It is programed cheating.
If this body wants copies of my documentation and correspondence between CCP and myself and all others involved, we will gladly provide it. Those who quit over this cheat are willing to come back and provide evidence. Others are too disgusted and won't.
Now, Mr. Bunyip, are you for us or them. You have a viable, genuine, living willing victim here. Are you, this body, going to investigate and prevent further cheating? WE are proof CCP not only condones but programs these cheats into their game. Why else would they not investigate when all proof is provided?
I would be very interested in seeing what you have to document the situation you describe.
Issler
Please provide an avenue for me to contact you in-game so I can give you the extensive files; Provide you contact information of all players, present and past involved. I have the original petition; data base of all evidence provided; screen shots of events we came across as we continued to play and report to CCP; we have a record of all reports to CCCP concerning this game; We have shots of the stargates before they were in this game; we have copies of the clues; copies of the conversations with the rats; copies of . . .
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Svender Atreides
A Few Killers
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Posted - 2008.12.20 14:34:00 -
[1322]
Edited by: Svender Atreides on 20/12/2008 14:34:31 Full disclosure after teh FACT's ahve been reviewed is the only way to restore confidence to the palyer base.
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Tempest Inferno
Davy Jones Locker
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Posted - 2008.12.20 15:02:00 -
[1323]
I agree that they need to disclose more information on this issue. Once the facts have been reviewed and ALL action has been taken CCP should release a full report to the players. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Arkinara
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Posted - 2008.12.20 16:50:00 -
[1324]
Must be done.
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Sharkk
Stinkys Clam Shack
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Posted - 2008.12.20 22:08:00 -
[1325]
would like full discloser on issue
not because I believe it is owed to me
but just cause I'm curious
if CCP knew about the exploiting I highly doubt they would admit to any knowledge of it at any rate which is what people seem to expect they might get...lol
If my tech 2 market was suffering a missive bottle neck in supply of raw materials I might turn a blind eye to a few discreet people making a lot of Isk to prop up the market with exploited materials until I could implement a feature to increase production of those raw material...ala alchemy
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Feyd'Rautha Harkonen
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Posted - 2008.12.21 03:09:00 -
[1326]
Signed. Public Vetting of Exploiters is necessary to give us the ability to independently verify that characters DID exist and WERE booted. Somebody knew these people after all; and a flood of alts would only demonstrate that the alt system may need attention.
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Feyd'Rautha Harkonen
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Posted - 2008.12.21 04:08:00 -
[1327]
Quote:
I'll probably have to put on my fire-******ant suit for this one, but I agree with what CCP is doing. If they release character names, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to link names to the alliances (unless they purged all info from that character's affiliation and all rosters) - People and Places can do that in a minute.
People know Eve better than that by now. We'd have people who had nothing to do with this scandal all the sudden hunted down wherever they go, and if they try to join another corp, only about 2% of the player base would even take them. Soon, they'd quit their accounts as they aren't able to do what they used to enjoy doing. Quote:
Well, here comes the flame thrower
If CCP wants to protect the innocent characters by inventing the virtual equivalent of the Witness Protection program allowing them to change names and portraits so they can go about their happy little virtual lives fine by me. But the solution should NOT spare the guilty OR the organizations founded on illicit gain. For that matter maybe CEOs need to pay attention to why "Mafia Corp" is posting ridiculously disproportionate profits.
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Chomp Rock
Phantasmal Collective
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Posted - 2008.12.21 18:57:00 -
[1328]
CCP, give us a running commentary on what you're currently in the process of digging up with speculations on who and where it might....
oh wait, no, that would be stupid.
give us a full report on your findings and actions taken (with due respect for privacy and EULA) AFTER you've gotten to the bottom of the issue and done everything you can.
in other words, keep doing what you're doing and ignore the nerd-rage and fake indignity in this thread. i trust the company single-handedly running every aspect of the most complex MMO on the market to handle a handful of cheaters that left a huge trail of archived evidence.
Originally by: Lui Kai Chribba - when you log in next, let us know what the end credits to the game say
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Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2008.12.21 21:22:00 -
[1329]
Originally by: Issler Dainze [I would be very interested in seeing what you have to document the situation you describe.
Issler
Please provide an avenue for me to contact you in-game so I can give you the extensive files; Provide you contact information of all players, present and past involved. I have the original petition; data base of all evidence provided; screen shots of events we came across as we continued to play and report to CCP; we have a record of all reports to CCCP concerning this game; We have shots of the stargates before they were in this game; we have copies of the clues; copies of the conversations with the rats; copies of . . .
Ingame contact made. awaiting response from Issler
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Political Prisoner
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.12.23 03:31:00 -
[1330]
II'm not ready to let this rest
Back to the top with you .... Respectfully,
Political Prisoner
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Xeno Xandovar
Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2008.12.23 09:47:00 -
[1331]
/signed
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Felysta Sandorn
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.12.23 13:49:00 -
[1332]
I'm down with this, this is the whole reason the CSM was founded in the first place, so that we (as players) could understand what was involved, how much ISK was wrongfully gotten, and what CCP are really doing... Just saying "Yeah, we banned a few accounts" is great, but we want real justice, not just a slap on the wrist that you give people that swear in-game.
This is a major issue, and requires major action!
.: A Vagabond's Requiem (Blog) :.
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JorEl Tarasque
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Posted - 2008.12.23 22:54:00 -
[1333]
I have to throw in my bump again.
Also, I thought this page was longer than 45 before. (May be thinking of the wrong thread) My family always told me I wasn't right...
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Svender Atreides
Gallente A Few Killers
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Posted - 2008.12.24 15:22:00 -
[1334]
bumpage
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Marleena DeNocca
DeNocca Research and Investments Inc.
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Posted - 2008.12.24 19:04:00 -
[1335]
Bump and agree with the op! Hang the heretics!!
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John'eh
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Posted - 2008.12.24 19:15:00 -
[1336]
Edited by: John''eh on 24/12/2008 19:15:28 The fact is the people who play eve - us - need to police ourselves and I for one will happily host any proof people have that an alliance, corp or person cheated, ccp cheated, outside the network that CCP controls.
All you have to do is contact me in game. In fact, think I may start a website devoted to that sort of thing.
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Holding Kwint
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Posted - 2008.12.26 05:26:00 -
[1337]
We demand a transparent investigation of this exploit!
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Anya Zymandi
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Posted - 2008.12.26 21:51:00 -
[1338]
Signed.
Names, alliances, amounts, total ISK. It should all be in the records, so let's see it.
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Macita DePuerco
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Posted - 2008.12.27 02:41:00 -
[1339]
signed
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BigJohnStudd
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Posted - 2008.12.27 10:44:00 -
[1340]
signed
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Antman159
Caldari Super Awesome Villains Forever
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Posted - 2008.12.27 13:19:00 -
[1341]
Signed
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Macita DePuerco
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Posted - 2008.12.27 16:12:00 -
[1342]
To me their is no doubt that if the exploit actually took place to the extent as stated by one of the individuals involved that the market affect has been staggering.
However in trying to think through this and although I signed earlier for transparency, we should honestly take a moment and think about a few things.
If CCP knew about this exploit, from their prospective why announce it now and bring all this drama to their door step.
If the (OP in the link) stated all truths then by pure future alone every single recorded transaction from the recorded estimated time these moon facilities went on line by the exploiters every single Isk handed out and or items purchased would have to be confiscated, this would include all Isk that was given to other players in the course of the 4 years.
The above as I have stated although would be only fair it would also mean the end of Eve, because essentially all would have to start from scratch and I don't mean all involved I mean all players.
Saying that NO you should only punish those directly involved will only stem the perpetrators it will not however stem the effect that the exploited Isk has already done.
Revealing who these Peps are or where and banning said people would lead to a total breakdown of the Eve Universe, lets face it if as stated earlier all things reported by the (OP Link) was true and there was a monopoly within the affects of a total cut off would bring the Eve Industrial Economy to a grinding halt.
It is the same like in the U.S. if the Giants of the Industries were to be closed down due to illegal activities, or a monopoly the effects would be felt world wide.
So what could you actually do because it can not go simply unpunished nor can it be allowed to continue?
The (OP Link) said that he estimates 4 trillion went into the coffers of his corps pockets and that 3 other alliances were involved on just a fair average that would be almost 16 trillion Isk total.
I propose this (I know this is going to sound crazy but hear me out)
1. Don't ban the people involved, name the Alliances that were directly involved.
2. Fine Each Alliance 2 Trillion Isk.
(Each Alliance would be given a reasonable time frame to pay these fines, failure or refusal of the Alliance to pay said fine would result in a per-ma band of the Alliance and the inability of said corps in the Alliance of being able to rejoin another Alliance under their current Corp name and would also result in immediate confiscation of All Assets owned by the Alliance even if the assets were transferred to others)
IE: Alliance (WE RULE) has 4 Corps A, B, C, D they refuse to repay the fine, When the fine was first levied All assets were recorded and logged these assets such as towers, operational equipment etc can not be transferred and would be confiscated by CCP, Corp A,B,C,D Under the (WE RULE) Alliance would be disbanded and corps A,B,C,D can NEVER rejoin nor start another Alliance again.
3. 7 day loss of all sovereignty to said Alliances.
4. These moon-es in question that would have produced these conglomerate resources remove their setting from current locations and re-stage them in totally different system unknown to any one so that the moon is still there but no longer able to produce said resource.
If these Alliance where to comply with this, these alliance's would still be able to operate, they would still be able to function although severely hampered for they would no longer have the constant cash cow used in the monopoly exploit, the financial burden in of it self is staggering to any Alliance and a fair playing field is levied with removal of sovereignty from each Alliance for 7 days giving what would be other Alliances or Corps the opportunity for retaliation.
This would also however bring a temporary slow down in ship production but not a grinding halt, it would stage a level playing field as this monopoly would have created in it's 4 year total in-balance
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KalEl Trask
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Posted - 2008.12.29 17:26:00 -
[1343]
Ban them. No bailouts A free economy will recover with out the industrialist monopoly that may have been in place.
Also didn't want this thread buried to page 3, lest it be swept under the rug!
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Jericho thePure
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.12.29 23:46:00 -
[1344]
Cheaters suck. ------------------------------------------------- - Sig
"All those moments, will be lost in time like tears in rain...... time to die ..." |
farnly
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Posted - 2009.01.02 03:00:00 -
[1345]
Ban em. to heck with the economy they cheated and thats that. It is after all a game it will survive.
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Generalissimo Apathico
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Posted - 2009.01.03 15:26:00 -
[1346]
Originally by: farnly Ban em. to heck with the economy they cheated and thats that. It is after all a game it will survive.
--------------------------------------------------------- WILL IT?
Does anybody read other posts?, or just this one? CCP is looking for new home! people are closing accounts because of real life money worries CCP is trying to encourage people back into the game with five day free playing! If this cheat is so widespread, and I believe it was can they afford to lose so many accounts.? If they do ban everybody involved will it put an end to game development for the present. Far better to strip them of corp/alliance and isk/skill points, let them start again as newbs.
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Dionisius
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2009.01.05 00:35:00 -
[1347]
Edited by: Dionisius on 05/01/2009 00:35:43 Ok ,
1. I really think the CSM business is a pille of rubbish.
2. Etho was one of the players first screaming for transparency and i am enjoying seeing alts of people that flammed him now asking for the same he did. Despite not knowing you, good one Etho.
3. Funny thing here i would like to see is, how much did CCP lost in RL money, because i would like to extrapolate from those figures the aproximate amount these guys didn't pay to play while i had to.
4. Also knowing the peoples names but more important, what is CCP doing.
5. I said it once and i say it again, the CSM is a pille of rubbish, time to prove the non believers that we are wrong... if you can... wich i seriously doubt.
Oh and click* _____________________________________
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Flaming Lemming
Caldari Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2009.01.05 20:19:00 -
[1348]
Any more updates yet? Or is it "It's quieted down, sweep it under the rug" time?
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Akiba Penrose
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Posted - 2009.01.05 21:49:00 -
[1349]
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Dr Westler
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Posted - 2009.01.05 21:56:00 -
[1350]
Edited by: Dr Westler on 05/01/2009 21:56:49
Originally by: Flaming Lemming Any more updates yet? Or is it "It's quieted down, sweep it under the rug" time?
I feel like reporting your post tbh.
Not because there is anything wrong with it - just because that way, if lots of people did it, it would be a sign to CCP that we demand they take notice of the content and provide an update on this fiasco.
Yet again, CCP continues to amaze me how their PR can be so appalling. They seem to have no clue when it comes to customer service and in this economic climate they need it more than ever.
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Kiss TheBlade
Sparta Invicta
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Posted - 2009.01.06 07:39:00 -
[1351]
Edited by: Kiss TheBlade on 06/01/2009 07:40:56 Edited by: Kiss TheBlade on 06/01/2009 07:40:18 Edited by: Kiss TheBlade on 06/01/2009 07:39:30 not interested in a witch hunt/ naming names (although one game that caught cheats used to crucify the characters in public and you could throw rotten fruit at them ), but would like to know the extent of the problem and a detailed account of the action taken in light of it.
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Gregory Makinch
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Posted - 2009.01.07 20:37:00 -
[1352]
signed
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Solon Mega
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Posted - 2009.01.08 14:59:00 -
[1353]
Asking for name here is just being purely unrealistic... It just isnt going to happen. But EVE is a game universe with a complex economy that affects the lives of all players. We need to knoe the extent of this "crysis". |
Solon Mega
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Posted - 2009.01.08 15:03:00 -
[1354]
SIGNED in Blood |
Saphirro
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Posted - 2009.01.09 22:26:00 -
[1355]
Can't believe there are still no updates at all.
Pathetic.
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Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2009.01.11 17:42:00 -
[1356]
Originally by: Saphirro Can't believe there are still no updates at all.
Pathetic.
Time is on their side. With the passage of enough time this too will just fade away, left to seethe just below the surface. Eve will go on, advantage will continue to be given, and no one will care.
On March 10, it is all over and nothing will matter. The investigation will be moot. Advantage and point to CCP. Thanks for that shot of hope Issla.
Rata
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Saphirro
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Posted - 2009.01.11 21:31:00 -
[1357]
Originally by: Rata Nrnima
On March 10, it is all over and nothing will matter. The investigation will be moot. Advantage and point to CCP. Thanks for that shot of hope Issla.
Rata
So you passed all those details over to Issler?
If so, Issler, can you please follow this up and tell us: is there anything to what Rata has stated? |
Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2009.01.12 05:45:00 -
[1358]
Originally by: Saphirro
Originally by: Rata Nrnima
On March 10, it is all over and nothing will matter. The investigation will be moot. Advantage and point to CCP. Thanks for that shot of hope Issla.
Rata
So you passed all those details over to Issler?
If so, Issler, can you please follow this up and tell us: is there anything to what Rata has stated?
I provided and put on my blog so it would be easy to find everything. Kept it private per EULA and requirement not to share communication between ccp and myself. Offered to go through logs to pull them for the panel. Have heard nothing. Trying to be patient as there were quite a few holidays in there. Holding onto hope since Issler asked for the documentation.
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Saphirro
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Posted - 2009.01.12 23:24:00 -
[1359]
Edited by: Saphirro on 12/01/2009 23:29:15
Originally by: Rata Nrnima
I provided and put on my blog so it would be easy to find everything. Kept it private per EULA and requirement not to share communication between ccp and myself. Offered to go through logs to pull them for the panel. Have heard nothing. Trying to be patient as there were quite a few holidays in there. Holding onto hope since Issler asked for the documentation.
Searched your name, reaped rewards.
Unstable wormhole, Particle Acceleration SuperStructure - those screenshots are interesting to say the least.
Issler, or any other CSM - Please respond to this, at least to state you have or are looking into it.
There is enough evidence there for it to be at least troubling.
Google - 'Rata Nrnima bunyip issler' |
Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2009.01.15 23:35:00 -
[1360]
Originally by: Saphirro Edited by: Saphirro on 12/01/2009 23:29:15
Originally by: Rata Nrnima
I provided and put on my blog so it would be easy to find everything. Kept it private per EULA and requirement not to share communication between ccp and myself. Offered to go through logs to pull them for the panel. Have heard nothing. Trying to be patient as there were quite a few holidays in there. Holding onto hope since Issler asked for the documentation.
Searched your name, reaped rewards.
Unstable wormhole, Particle Acceleration SuperStructure - those screenshots are interesting to say the least.
Issler, or any other CSM - Please respond to this, at least to state you have or are looking into it.
There is enough evidence there for it to be at least troubling.
This has been swept under the rug and forgotten. No investigation, not one involved person has been contacted except to ask for my vote.
You know who I am In-game. Contact me for a copy of the database. CCP has already said it isn't an exploit. Follow a few and you will know. Then talk to me, I'll show you how to see their "cheats" and where.
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URUS FORGE
Caldari THE TRUST INCORPORATED
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Posted - 2009.01.17 17:41:00 -
[1361]
Adding my voice to the call for trasparency!
Quote: A tragic situation exists precisely when virtue does not triumph but when it is still felt that man is nobler than the forces which destroy him. - George Orwell
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Saphirro
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Posted - 2009.01.17 23:17:00 -
[1362]
Originally by: URUS FORGE Adding my voice to the call for trasparency!
Or at least acknowledgement of an overdue issue....
Conspiracy theory or not, the fact that CCP have now gone quiet on yet another issue AGAIN certainly raises some eyebrows.
They really don't help themselves. In the eyes of at least some, if not many - it makes them appear guilty of something themselves.
____________________________________ Google - 'Rata Nrnima bunyip issler' |
Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2009.01.18 01:11:00 -
[1363]
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=970671&page=1#9 ----------------------
My Blog |
Yarik Mendel
Privateers
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Posted - 2009.01.18 15:40:00 -
[1364]
Thursday 15th January 2009 Informal meetings I. Moon Material Exploit Taskforce CCP discussed the Moon Material Exploit with CSM. This presentation was highly indepth and a lot of things were mentioned. A full devblog comprising what CSM was shown (and the answers to some questions during the meeting) will be posted at the end of January. |
Darth Shenron
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Posted - 2009.01.19 16:44:00 -
[1365]
About time
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NereSky
Gallente Domination.
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Posted - 2009.01.19 23:33:00 -
[1366]
looking forward to the publication :)
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SilverSwann
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Posted - 2009.01.20 11:52:00 -
[1367]
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BlackHawk2022
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2009.01.26 23:22:00 -
[1368]
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Lucas Tigh
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Posted - 2009.01.27 18:41:00 -
[1369]
Stupid question: what is all this about, short and sweet? What's this conspiracy with the rat logs? And how is it related to the POS bug/exploit?
...I told you it would be a stupid question.
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Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2009.01.27 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lucas Tigh Stupid question: what is all this about, short and sweet? What's this conspiracy with the rat logs? And how is it related to the POS bug/exploit?
...I told you it would be a stupid question.
Two totally separate incidents. My input concerns viability of CSM. Whom do they serve? We, the customer base or CCP.
One Elected Member asked me personally for my vote with a guarantee that HE would NOT become a puppet of CCP. The first time I see him in action he grabbed both ankles and spread the collective cheeks, spewing company rhetoric - placations, insults to intelligence. In the event I was mistaken, I injected my not so humble opinion, hoping to find this body was indeed as advertised, not just a gimic. To date the CSM are performing as predicted by protractors verbalizing the reality of the CSM as justification for not becoming involved in the election processes.
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Posted - 2009.01.27 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rata Nrnima
Two totally separate incidents. My input concerns viability of CSM. Whom do they serve? We, the customer base or CCP.
One Elected Member asked me personally for my vote with a guarantee that HE would NOT become a puppet of CCP. The first time I see him in action he grabbed both ankles and spread the collective cheeks, spewing company rhetoric - placations, insults to intelligence. In the event I was mistaken, I injected my not so humble opinion, hoping to find this body was indeed as advertised, not just a gimic. To date the CSM are performing as predicted by protractors verbalizing the reality of the CSM as justification for not becoming involved in the election processes.
I wish I could provide another thumbs up just for the contents of this post.
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Lucas Tigh
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Posted - 2009.01.27 23:36:00 -
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Edited by: Lucas Tigh on 27/01/2009 23:45:15 Alright, I can see the problem there (obviously).
But what about the logs and images that can be seen on the blog that contains your name, Rata (I did a little digging)? There are images of wormholes, etc. What is this evidence of, and how is this "troubling?" It's just a game mechanic...right?
You'll have to excuse my ignorance; I don't frequent the forums.
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ZappfBrannigan
The 5th Freedom
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Posted - 2009.01.27 23:41:00 -
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Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2009.01.28 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Rata Nrnima on 28/01/2009 15:38:21
Originally by: Lucas Tigh Edited by: Lucas Tigh on 27/01/2009 23:45:15 Alright, I can see the problem there (obviously).
But what about the logs and images that can be seen on the blog that contains your name, Rata (I did a little digging)? There are images of wormholes, etc. What is this evidence of, and how is this "troubling?" It's just a game mechanic...right?
You'll have to excuse my ignorance; I don't frequent the forums.
This was my original post: Quote:
Originally by: Princess Jodi CCP, if this was just a bug then I understand how it was not found. But look at the code closely, please.... you just might find something that shouldn't be there.
Started playing eve May this year. I played for months, then they put a major patch in. Some things changed and I put in a petition. Discovered I was playing a game no one else had access to. Being a Noob, I didn't belong to a corp or alliance, didn't know the game I was playing was different from the one everyone else was playing. To make an incredibly long story short, CCP GMC was provided screen shots,databases, etc., and to this day they insist the game we were playing did not and does not exist. They removed "non-existent" items from my hangar; got all the details from me; had eye-witness account from one of their "players" befriending me in-game and actually playing that game with me. I didn't know the rats didn't talk to everyone, etc., announce when enemies entered the system, etc. I know now, so I played for 5 months this game.
It was a game code hidden in EVE that I stumbled upon and won! and they took it from me. They know one of theirs is cheating for someone. I won a game I wasn't suppose to. They took it from me. They deny to this day that game exists.
CCP will never oust the culprits because the culprit is CCP. That game was entirely too extensive for it not to have been programmed. Told me I was finding a series of plexes, and explorations that never appeared in my tabs. In other words, they lied and when the lie didn't work they denied, then closed their eyes and blamed it on my noobiness.
I have pages and pages of communications between my self and CCP petition personnel. They insist, "if the people who wrote the program say that game does not exist, it doesn't. They would know". If they didn't investigate that - they won't investigate this. People who have viewed my documentation agree - THIS WAS FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN ME ! ! ! It is not an exploit, not a bug. It is programed cheating.
Since you found the blog, you also found the interaction between myself and CCP GMs documenting it all. The problem is we played that game for minimum of 5 months. Was invited to play by the rats, followed clues provided by them in the ships logs. When we found the wormhole a particular device was required to stabilize(See tab on image of wormhole as i went through). I went away for holiday and when I returned CCP had taken the logs out. The clue to the last thing we needed to claim the prize and wormhole was taken out. I petitioned CCP for a copy of the clue database or an indication of how close we had gotten to obtaining the prize. The rest is self-explanatory.
The GM had us continue and report our findings to him as we went as documented. We did everything asked, we even took screenshots of items as we found them, the other end of the wormhole, screenshot of it's destruction to prevent someone else claiming it in our stead while CCP debated how to deal with this.
We don't demand anything other than acknowledgment that we played the "Wormhole Game". If it truely was plexes, prove it - let someone else, you for example run these same plexes and let's compare db's and screenshots!
My point, Why would they take the loot / drops / devices / etc. if that game did not exist? why has no one talked to those involved? All of a sudden that game is coming 03/2009.
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Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:22:00 -
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continuation:
Originally by: Lucas Tigh Edited by: Lucas Tigh on 27/01/2009 23:45:15 Alright, I can see the problem there (obviously).[snip] You'll have to excuse my ignorance; I don't frequent the forums.
Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: Rata Nrnima In little over a few weeks (March 10th) this will be forgotten in the excitement of the modular vessels, the worm hole,and all the overlooked programming issues in rush to get the patch out to divert attention.
Whatever excitement that would have been there for me has been dampened by foreknowledge that BOB or whomever will already have the advantage,the modules, the what-evers. They will have the wormholes, the tech 3 minerals, access to the bpo's, etc. And all of it will be FREE.
There are a mere handful of customers that frequent these forums and even less bother to comment. Those that do are either CCP stooges reiterating adnausium the company line, or customers genuinely upset getting spammed by CCP stooges. Easily recognizable by rhetoric and strict adherance to company defense. Then there are those whose sole purpose is to divert the conversation to the assinine.
CCP does not have to care. Most of it's client base is totally unaware of the scandal and the rest don't care. Ironic that the isk vendors / a few exploiters are banned / denigrated and CCP gets another pass.
It's exactly how they always have operated.
About 3-5 days before the expansion is to launch on say a Friday night they'll release their report. Then quickly bury it with a number of other expansion related Blogs.
They'll then not comment at all on the exploit or its report as they'll not have "time" to do so being consumed by the new stuff.
It is how they have handled every scandal since the dawn of the game.
Frankly there is no way an exploit could have existed for so long without some sort of complacency on the part of one or more employees at CCP. No way it existed for 4 years without someone else duplicating the set up by mistake and reporting it, it is just unreasonable to assume that no one else stumbled upon it. Given that it then becomes that since a report was filed who covered it up and why.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.01.28 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 28/01/2009 18:34:22 I demand some pitchforks and torches. And don't stop until CCP goes over every entry in their records and puts things right. Jesus!
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Ephemeron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.01.28 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 28/01/2009 18:34:22 I demand some pitchforks and torches. And don't stop until CCP goes over every entry in their records and puts things right. Jesus!
I'm pretty sure this issue is already closed and forgotten. CCP knows that no matter what bad decisions they make, if they ride out the storm for 2 months - they get away clean. The player base is quick to forget
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.29 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron
Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 28/01/2009 18:34:22 I demand some pitchforks and torches. And don't stop until CCP goes over every entry in their records and puts things right. Jesus!
I'm pretty sure this issue is already closed and forgotten. CCP knows that no matter what bad decisions they make, if they ride out the storm for 2 months - they get away clean. The player base is quick to forget
If you had done your research properly, you would know that CCP is about to release an extensive dev blog with the conclusion on this whole case.
So it's definitely not forgotten.
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Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2009.01.29 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ephemeron
If you had done your research properly, you would know that CCP is about to release an extensive dev blog with the conclusion on this whole case.
So it's definitely not forgotten.
Originally by: El'Niaga
It's exactly how they always have operated.
About 3-5 days before the expansion is to launch on say a Friday night they'll release their report. Then quickly bury it with a number of other expansion related Blogs.
They'll then not comment at all on the exploit or its report as they'll not have "time" to do so being consumed by the new stuff.
It is how they have handled every scandal since the dawn of the game.
[snip] Given that it then becomes that since a report was filed who covered it up and why.
The Dev Blog is CCP's report to the community. What of the CSM's Investigative Report of it's conclusions? Or, are you saying that your body did not conduct it's own investigation but are relying on what CCP decides your investigations reveal before presentation to us?
For my education concerning CSM role - Did the CSM investigate or merely wait for notification of what to say to us? If you did not, what was your role - to placate or what, exactly?
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CommanderData211
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Posted - 2009.01.29 06:19:00 -
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It is not the CSM's role to investigate the inner-workings of CCP at all. Their role is to articulate the voice of the player base.
They did this.
Transparency was asked for in the investigation conducted by CCP (as only CCP has the ability to do so) and we await the forthcoming results in the devblog.
There is no need to call out the CSM for something that they have no control over, and rightly so. They are the ambassadors of the player base, chosen from the player base. They do not recieve a salary from CCP, or any compensation for that matter (other than a free flight to Iceland and what sounded like a night of moderate drinking) and thus they have no grounds for conducting any sort of investigation.
If it is not good enough that CCP conduct the investigation and post the result of their finding (which according to the EULA, they really don't even have to do) then nothing will be. I really don't see CCP outsourcing an exploit investigation to a small fraction of the player base that were banded together to represent the larger player base.
In short, if you've lost your support in CCP, they're pretty much the end of the line in this regard. They have the good grace to release what sounds to be a substantial report on the issue so why don't we just wait for that.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.29 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Rata Nrnima
The Dev Blog is CCP's report to the community. What of the CSM's Investigative Report of it's conclusions? Or, are you saying that your body did not conduct it's own investigation but are relying on what CCP decides your investigations reveal before presentation to us?
For my education concerning CSM role - Did the CSM investigate or merely wait for notification of what to say to us? If you did not, what was your role - to placate or what, exactly?
Originally by: CommanderData211 It is not the CSM's role to investigate the inner-workings of CCP at all. Their role is to articulate the voice of the player base.
They did this.
Transparency was asked for in the investigation conducted by CCP (as only CCP has the ability to do so) and we await the forthcoming results in the devblog.
There is no need to call out the CSM for something that they have no control over, and rightly so. They are the ambassadors of the player base, chosen from the player base. They do not recieve a salary from CCP, or any compensation for that matter (other than a free flight to Iceland and what sounded like a night of moderate drinking) and thus they have no grounds for conducting any sort of investigation.
If it is not good enough that CCP conduct the investigation and post the result of their finding (which according to the EULA, they really don't even have to do) then nothing will be. I really don't see CCP outsourcing an exploit investigation to a small fraction of the player base that were banded together to represent the larger player base.
In short, if you've lost your support in CCP, they're pretty much the end of the line in this regard. They have the good grace to release what sounds to be a substantial report on the issue so why don't we just wait for that.
This guy is entirely right. If we were to actually get access to the logs in the first place, CCP would have to terminate our accounts and then kill us after we saw them, most likely.
It's unreasonable to expect that the CSM should make a report. CCP has spend over a month working on this exploit now. Do you expect the CSM to do that over an extended weekend where we had a busy schedule in the first place? |
Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2009.01.29 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Rata Nrnima
For my education concerning CSM role - Did the CSM investigate or merely wait for notification of what to say to us? If you did not, what was your role - to placate or what, exactly?
Originally by: CommanderData211 It is not the CSM's role to investigate the inner-workings of CCP at all. Their role is to articulate the voice of the player base.
They did this.
Transparency was asked for in the investigation conducted by CCP (as only CCP has the ability to do so) and we await the forthcoming results in the devblog.
There is no need to call out the CSM for something that they have no control over, and rightly so. They are the ambassadors of the player base, chosen from the player base. They do not recieve a salary from CCP, or any compensation for that matter (other than a free flight to Iceland and what sounded like a night of moderate drinking) and thus they have no grounds for conducting any sort of investigation.
If it is not good enough that CCP conduct the investigation and post the result of their finding (which according to the EULA, they really don't even have to do) then nothing will be. I really don't see CCP outsourcing an exploit investigation to a small fraction of the player base that were banded together to represent the larger player base.
In short, if you've lost your support in CCP, they're pretty much the end of the line in this regard. They have the good grace to release what sounds to be a substantial report on the issue so why don't we just wait for that.
This guy is entirely right. If we were to actually get access to the logs in the first place, CCP would have to terminate our accounts and then kill us after we saw them, most likely.
It's unreasonable to expect that the CSM should make a report. CCP has spend over a month working on this exploit now. Do you expect the CSM to do that over an extended weekend where we had a busy schedule in the first place?
I was not attempting to be snide but to ascertain what your roles were. Thank you for making it clear. My expectation did not equal the reality. My apologies to the panel - When the candidate explained what CSM was it wasn't what you just said. I was lead to believe you were there to assist the player base resolve our concerns, an avenue to facilitate communication to achieve resolution that is mutually respectful. My mistake. |
Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2009.01.29 09:10:00 -
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Edited by: Rata Nrnima on 29/01/2009 09:11:52
Originally by: CommanderData211 It is not the CSM's role to investigate the inner-workings of CCP at all. Their role is to articulate the voice of the player base.[snip]
Thank you for the clarification. My mistaken understanding of their function in Eve. I was led to understand they were more.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.29 09:10:00 -
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Originally by: Rata Nrnima
I was not attempting to be snide but to ascertain what your roles were. Thank you for making it clear. My expectation did not equal the reality. My apologies to the panel - When the candidate explained what CSM was it wasn't what you just said. I was lead to believe you were there to assist the player base resolve our concerns, an avenue to facilitate communication to achieve resolution that is mutually respectful. My mistake.
No problem. There has been some confusion about our role due to an interview Hellmar did with NYT, where he suggested that the CSM will be an oversight committee. But that's not the case.
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Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2009.01.29 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista No problem. There has been some confusion about our role due to an interview Hellmar did with NYT, where he suggested that the CSM will be an oversight committee. But that's not the case.
Read the article. If not oversight, what is the function of the CSM? Since you do this, can you tell me what CSM really does.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2009.01.29 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rata Nrnima Read the article. If not oversight, what is the function of the CSM? Since you do this, can you tell me what CSM really does.
Ideas change and morph to new things as they are put to the test. The original idea was heavily influenced by the T20 incident, etc. However, when they started working on the CSM concept they seemed to have realized what they needed was to communicate with a group of people whom represent the player-base. |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.29 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Rata Nrnima Read the article. If not oversight, what is the function of the CSM? Since you do this, can you tell me what CSM really does.
Ideas change and morph to new things as they are put to the test. The original idea was heavily influenced by the T20 incident, etc. However, when they started working on the CSM concept they seemed to have realized what they needed was to communicate with a group of people whom represent the player-base.
To be fair, that's not the complete truth.
CCP Xhagen has been pushing for this idea for quite a while. The current implementation is what he wanted it to be. I assume the NYT article after the T20 incident was Hellmar pushing forward the idea as well, but with too much focus on CSM as an oversight.
CCP has been very open to our questions about the exploit. So in a sense we are overseeing what they are doing. But we have no direct oversight as such. We are just representing the players. |
Saphirro
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Posted - 2009.01.29 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista If you had done your research properly, you would know that CCP is about to release an extensive dev blog with the conclusion on this whole case.
So it's definitely not forgotten.
I still can't quite work out why a news update about the upcoming release of information was not published, only a entry by the CSM in the thread that only a portion of EvE players read. Maybe that's just it though, since it's bad press if it makes the news pages right? Of course it will when they make the final statement, but why stoke the fires with a few updates that leave the issue longer in players memories?
For all the good work that the CSM may do, I don't want to hear it from them - I want updates and assurance from CCP themselves in an official capacity. This was a serious issue, not just another "We want our missile range back!" matter.
An update or two since the 19th Dec, even if it contained nothing more than "we are still investigating this" would have be welcome and taken only a minute or two to type up publish.
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Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2009.01.30 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Rata Nrnima on 30/01/2009 01:56:47
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Rata Nrnima Read the article. If not oversight, what is the function of the CSM? Since you do this, can you tell me what CSM really does.
Ideas change and morph to new things as they are put to the test. The original idea was heavily influenced by the T20 incident, etc. However, when they started working on the CSM concept they seemed to have realized what they needed was to communicate with a group of people whom represent the player-base.
To be fair, that's not the complete truth.
[snip]...we have no ... oversight ... We are just representing the players.
Thank you for your unexpected candor. Your response resolved for me my issue.
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Saphirro
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Posted - 2009.01.30 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Rata Nrnima Read the article. If not oversight, what is the function of the CSM? Since you do this, can you tell me what CSM really does.
Ideas change and morph to new things as they are put to the test. The original idea was heavily influenced by the T20 incident, etc. However, when they started working on the CSM concept they seemed to have realized what they needed was to communicate with a group of people whom represent the player-base.
Or to put it another way:
It was deemed important that in reply to the T20 incident that the playerbase was reassured to what would be thought of as an acceptable level. i.e The creation of the CSM as an oversight committee.
Once things had died down a bit the CSM was morphed into a role that would render them utterly powerless yet provide a good meat shield for bad PR. |
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Terrigal
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Posted - 2009.01.30 10:14:00 -
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I've only seen the broom used to sweep it under the table
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Flaming Lemming
Caldari Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2009.01.31 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Saphirro
Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Originally by: Rata Nrnima Read the article. If not oversight, what is the function of the CSM? Since you do this, can you tell me what CSM really does.
Ideas change and morph to new things as they are put to the test. The original idea was heavily influenced by the T20 incident, etc. However, when they started working on the CSM concept they seemed to have realized what they needed was to communicate with a group of people whom represent the player-base.
Or to put it another way:
It was deemed important that in reply to the T20 incident that the playerbase was reassured to what would be thought of as an acceptable level. i.e The creation of the CSM as an oversight committee.
Once things had died down a bit the CSM was morphed into a role that would render them utterly powerless yet provide a good meat shield for bad PR.
As much as I hate to say it,,,this seems pretty accurate
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Rata Nrnima
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Posted - 2009.01.31 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming Lemming
Originally by: Saphirro [snip] Once things had died down a bit the CSM [snip]was ... utterly powerless [snip]a ... shield for bad PR.
As much as I hate to say it,,,this seems pretty accurate
The CSM is the dummy-hand at the bridge table. I will not waste effort in here again.
Fly safe
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2009.01.31 15:04:00 -
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So what happened, I have been gone a month, and since then CCP did not even have pip come out to the public. Is CSM pushing for the detailed information regarding what happened or what?
Anyone knows what the deal is? Other than the polite noises from CSM and CCP? And, has this become a dead issue as well, simply because CCP knows if they keep quiet long enough we will just go away.
Okie Dokie...
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.01.31 16:45:00 -
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Geaux Tiger
Tigris Cleptum Gaza
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Posted - 2009.02.01 00:20:00 -
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Alex Logan
Brutor tribe
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Naru Kraurr
24th Imperial Crusade
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari XERCORE
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Posted - 2009.02.02 23:04:00 -
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It's February and we have seen almost nothing from CCP.
Where is the report? Where are the names? Where is an accounting of the fraudulent materials? Where is even the smallest measure of transparency on this important issue?
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.02.03 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer It's February and we have seen almost nothing from CCP.
Where is the report? Where are the names? Where is an accounting of the fraudulent materials? Where is even the smallest measure of transparency on this important issue?
I don't know how many times by now I have had to say this. But CCP is obviously busy.
As for the names, you should know by now that you will never get them.
Just wait and you will get the report. It's not that hard . I will however shoot CCP another mail to CCP to hear what's up. |
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Flaming Lemming
Caldari Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Kwint Sommer It's February and we have seen almost nothing from CCP.
Where is the report? Where are the names? Where is an accounting of the fraudulent materials? Where is even the smallest measure of transparency on this important issue?
I don't know how many times by now I have had to say this. But CCP is obviously busy.
As for the names, you should know by now that you will never get them.
Just wait and you will get the report. It's not that hard . I will however shoot CCP another mail to CCP to hear what's up.
Any reply to your mail?
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Jinx Barker
Caldari GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2009.02.05 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista Please just read the minutes. It says clearly that by the end of January/Start of February, a detailed dev-blog will be released.
Let's hope the dev blog comes "soon."
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.05 06:26:00 -
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Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 05/02/2009 06:28:27 Geez, you guys are a bunch of hypocrites. If you and CCP were to switch shoes all of the sudden, I HIGHLY doubt that you would reveal the names of those responsible. Why? Because if you did reveal them, you would be violating your company promise to its customers. That would make everyone leave you because we, the customers, would no longer trust CCP with information that is supposed to be incredibly secret. If a bunch of ppl could demand transparency on this banning, what is to stop the next group from demanding credit card information from CCP? It shows weakness and loss of integrity.
Do not kid yourselves. CCP will never reveal it and I hope they never do. For if they did, I, and many others, would quit Eve immediately and remove all information that is important to us such as credit cards because we would feel it is safe any longer.
Get over yourselves. CCP is not Gods and neither are you. Mistakes were made and we are ALL HUMAN. Its has and it will happen again. Nothing, I repeat NOTHING will stop another "T20 incident" or "POS exploit". There is simply no way to do that. You are asking the impossible. They will try their hardest to avoid another incident but it will happen in some form or some way. It is human nature and it is how life goes.
--Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.02.05 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming Lemming
Any reply to your mail?
The dev-blog is still on track. I have faith that it will be out soonÖ
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.02.05 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Isaac Starstriker Edited by: Isaac Starstriker on 05/02/2009 06:28:27 Geez, you guys are a bunch of hypocrites. If you and CCP were to switch shoes all of the sudden, I HIGHLY doubt that you would reveal the names of those responsible. Why? Because if you did reveal them, you would be violating your company promise to its customers. That would make everyone leave you because we, the customers, would no longer trust CCP with information that is supposed to be incredibly secret. If a bunch of ppl could demand transparency on this banning, what is to stop the next group from demanding credit card information from CCP? It shows weakness and loss of integrity.
Do not kid yourselves. CCP will never reveal it and I hope they never do. For if they did, I, and many others, would quit Eve immediately and remove all information that is important to us such as credit cards because we would feel it is safe any longer.
Get over yourselves. CCP is not Gods and neither are you. Mistakes were made and we are ALL HUMAN. Its has and it will happen again. Nothing, I repeat NOTHING will stop another "T20 incident" or "POS exploit". There is simply no way to do that. You are asking the impossible. They will try their hardest to avoid another incident but it will happen in some form or some way. It is human nature and it is how life goes.
--Isaac
This guy is right. Names will never be made public
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Flaming Lemming
Caldari Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2009.02.05 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Flaming Lemming
Any reply to your mail?
The dev-blog is still on track. I have faith that it will be out soonÖ
Thanks for the reply...keep on them if it's not out soon.
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Flaming Lemming
Caldari Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2009.02.07 02:07:00 -
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Keeping this on the front page until Dev blog appears
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Zenethalos
Minmatar Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.08 20:02:00 -
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Friendly bump. Or is CCP just hoping all the attention is averted to the bob incident and everyone forgot that our T2 market got hit hard so they dont have to reveal the truth. |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.08 21:24:00 -
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If they were banned, they arnt customers anymore are they ;) ---
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Flaming Lemming
Caldari Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2009.02.09 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zenethalos Or is CCP just hoping all the attention is averted to the bob incident and everyone forgot that our T2 market got hit hard so they dont have to reveal the truth.
Between this, and T3 on Sisi, I'm getting the feeling they're hoping it drops off the radar.
I hope I'm wrong though |
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2009.02.10 02:43:00 -
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i spoke to Diagoras yesterday, they're hoping to have it out later today/tomorrow. He was suggesting that it is the largest dev blog ever written for EVE... |
Flaming Lemming
Caldari Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2009.02.10 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Omber Zombie i spoke to Diagoras yesterday, they're hoping to have it out later today/tomorrow. He was suggesting that it is the largest dev blog ever written for EVE...
Thanks for the update OZ. |
Rascal Peterson
Caldari League of Generals Sev3rance
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Posted - 2009.02.10 06:44:00 -
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I don't care about individual names, but I would like to see which corporations and alliances were involved. That which does not kill you, makes you stronger... |
Flaming Lemming
Caldari Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2009.02.10 16:34:00 -
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Dev blog is up!
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Isaac Starstriker
Amarr Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.02.10 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rascal Peterson I don't care about individual names, but I would like to see which corporations and alliances were involved.
That still violates their rules so no. Live with it.
The Dev Blog was as thorough as I had hoped and I applaud CCP for being as frank as they could have been. Thanks.
As I also suspected, this POS bug didn't hurt EvE as much as everyone said it did. A testament to the game.
Thanks CCP!
--Isaac Isaac's Haul*Mart
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Dragonwell
Ashen Rain
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Posted - 2009.02.11 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Isaac Starstriker
Originally by: Rascal Peterson I don't care about individual names, but I would like to see which corporations and alliances were involved.
That still violates their rules so no. Live with it.
The Dev Blog was as thorough as I had hoped and I applaud CCP for being as frank as they could have been. Thanks.
As I also suspected, this POS bug didn't hurt EvE as much as everyone said it did. A testament to the game.
Thanks CCP!
--Isaac
This. A good step toward general transparency in dealing with violations. |
Marlona Sky
Caldari Astroglide X
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Posted - 2009.02.12 08:44:00 -
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Get over it already.
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Darth Shenron
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Posted - 2009.02.21 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming Lemming Dev blog is up!
WHERE IS IT CANT FIND IT
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Efrim Black
Gallente Apellon
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Posted - 2009.02.21 21:43:00 -
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Originally by: Darth Shenron
Originally by: Flaming Lemming Dev blog is up!
WHERE IS IT CANT FIND IT
Try using the Archive Loser.
Can a Dev lock this please? No reason for this to keep getting bumped to the front page when the issue has been dealt with.
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