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Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:21:00 - [301] Originally by: NightmareX Can you please post a setup that "might" be somewhat dangerous to my Tempest?. Or to a Megathron. How the hell should i know this is the first time i have really used eft and all i did was pile on the sameish mods mr optimal muppet did on the hyperion but the laser versions. Originally by: NightmareX I have fought many Abaddons on sisi with almost the same setup. And i hope i don't have to tell you how badly ***d those Abaddons got by my Tempest. Whoopie yip da fking do for you then bud, wanna cookie?. Originally by: NightmareX Because you would cry like a baby if i told you. Actually you would proly find that i was paralyzed into immobility by not giving the slightest carp about some eft/sisi bf area hero... Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Solo is all about skill not ship fits..... Originally by: Amira Shadowsong ...The anti inty fit is absolutely crap against cruisers and AFs.
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:23:00 - [302] Originally by: 7shining7one7 rant Just stop dude, you have no clue. Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Solo is all about skill not ship fits..... Originally by: Amira Shadowsong ...The anti inty fit is absolutely crap against cruisers and AFs.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:27:00 - [303] Originally by: Murina Originally by: 7shining7one7 rant Just stop dude, you have no clue. Says the right person. Check out my new flash web page 'Dark Paradise'
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:31:00 - [304] Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 21:35:58 Originally by: 7shining7one7 below falloff is not falloff.. Below falloff is called optimal and you will hit a stationary battleship for your max dps less his resists. Originally by: 7shining7one7 it sure also depends on if the target is moving away from your optimal or towards your optimal. (this is shown by your curve graph but you don't notice) NO IT DOES NOT FFS, the optimal range dmg was reduced in the graph cos the ship was orbiting and orbiting at closer ranges increases transversal, a ship directly approaching or moving away inside optimal will not get hit for more or less no matter if its approaching or moving away no matter the system your using. Originally by: 7shining7one7 projectiles or hybrid charges can't be equated with beams.. because they are not a beam but a moving object if you will..only lateral movement affect guns.. but lasers don't fire projectiles.. they fire a beam.. (this is shown by your curve graph but you don't notice it) OMG... in RL laser may work like that but in eve you aint firing real lasers and the calculations to decide hits and misses are done with the same math as the other turrets ffs. OMG JUST STOP. Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Solo is all about skill not ship fits..... Originally by: Amira Shadowsong ...The anti inty fit is absolutely crap against cruisers and AFs.
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:35:00 - [305] Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal Really?. Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Solo is all about skill not ship fits..... Originally by: Amira Shadowsong ...The anti inty fit is absolutely crap against cruisers and AFs.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:38:00 - [306] Originally by: Murina Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal Really?. OMG, learn to quote noob. I have never ever said that sentence.
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:39:00 - [307] Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 21:40:37 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Murina Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal Really?. OMG, learn to quote noob. I have never ever said that sentence. Are you sure?, it sounds exactly like summat you would and have been saying and i cannot be bothered to recheck, are you saying its wrong?.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:41:00 - [308] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/02/2009 21:41:26 Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 21:39:33 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Murina Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal Really?. OMG, learn to quote noob. I have never ever said that sentence. Are you sure?, it sound like summat you would say and i cannot be bothered to recheck, are you saying its wrong?. I have some few words to say to you. Learn to quote. Or read on the other hand.
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:44:00 - [309] Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 21:46:09 Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal Im not gonna go and troll over your silly posts bud but if you say you did not post that i may believe you, but to be clear do you agree with the comment or not?. Cos it was you or the other fella and you seem to be supporting him and telling me im wrong when i point out his mistake????.
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:48:00 - [310] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 07/02/2009 21:53:46 actually it's quite accurate what i've said.. your first graph shows how the neutron hyperion hits around 1200 dps with the fit you put in it (2 damage mods).. and showing how ** poor the abaddon scorch is compared to that.. the other abaddon that comes closer to the dps of the 2 dmg mod hyperion has 3 damage mods on it (hardly a fair comparison) it also shows how the line is nicely and slowly curving into optimal for the null.. and gradually becoming greater damage with the scorch.. so regardless if the ship is moving away or towards the ship in this situation (it is quite relevant which is the case please clarify) it clearly shows that hyperion blasters does more damage and is graceful in falloff.. and that lasers are poor in falloff.. and that the scorch is below optimal rather than outside optimal in falloff which is why it does not loose as much dps when it is below optimal, than it does when it goes over optimal and into actual falloff.. because there.. it drops allmost instantly.. as expected.. the next graph where the ships are stationary.. (apparently you chose to pick ION blasters and MEGATHRONS this time to show less dmg than what the hype delivers.. now you are comparing tier2 gallente ship to a tier3 amarr ship) but nonetheless this also shows how graceful the blasters are in falloff.. and shows how scorch maintains dps since the target is not moving and how lasers are ** poor in the falloff.. thus showing that falloff is not just falloff.. you apparently say "best navy" with the yellow abaddon with megapulse.. which charge is that again.. and what is the optimal for it. because as you can clearly tell the low optimal progression is totally inconsistant with how the scorch behaves... here we see a loong gradual falloff.. totally inconsistent with lasers when they are beyond their optimal.. it even goes so far as to cross scorch and level out at the same time.. yeah right.. whichever the case is with these two... what you have shown is... a) hybrids are graceful in falloff.. b) hybrids do way more dmg than lasers c) you've compared a midrange weapon (which scorch becomes when you put it in a megapulse) to an extreme short range weapon, and then saying that dps is the issue when really the dps is less on lasers but they have more range and thus have to move less to get within optimal.. and thus lasers do more damage over time unless hybrid users move and get within their optimal in which case the tables turn.. d) shown clearly that amarr is not overpowered to any degrees with regards to dps.. and that they are indeed kings of mid range, and that gallente are kings of short range.. which is exactly the opposite of what you have been whining about the entire thread.. great job

NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:49:00 - [311] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/02/2009 21:50:37 Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 21:47:44 Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal Im not gonna go and troll over your silly posts bud but if you say you did not post that i may believe you, but to be clear do you agree with the comment or not?. Cos it was you or the other fella (7shining7one7) and you seem to be supporting him and telling me im wrong when i point out his mistake????. Dude, your so boring. Do you really think we will agree with you when you don't agree on the true facts we have told you like 10 times here?. Yes i support 7shining7one7 in EVERY ****ing way. If you don't know why, then your lost. And i mean really really lost. Check out my new flash web page 'Dark Paradise'
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:49:00 - [312] Originally by: 7shining7one7 rant Grown ups are talking be quiet pls. Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:51:00 - [313] Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 21:52:41 Originally by: NightmareX Yes i support 7shining7one7 in EVERY **ing way So you support this post and its content?. Originally by:** NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal YAY I GOT A NEW SIG THEN... Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:53:00 - [314] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/02/2009 21:54:09 Originally by: Murina Originally by: NightmareX busted/owned So you support this post and its content?. Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal Wow, are you braindamaged or what?. It's something i'm not asking normally, but when it's going this far, then i just have to ask. Sorry if i did hurt your feeling by asking this. I think your out of words on what to say now. Check out my new flash web page 'Dark Paradise'
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:55:00 - [315] Originally by: NightmareX EMORAGERANT So do you think my shiny new sig needs emo cons or is it ok as it is?. Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:58:00 - [316] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/02/2009 22:01:15 Originally by: Murina Originally by: NightmareX EMORAGERANT So do you think my shiny new sig needs emo cons or is it ok as it is?. Oh noes, Murina is trying to hurt my feelings, oh noes. Doesn't you have anything better to say lol?. Or are you completely out of words to say to what we have told you?. And also, if you have seen earlier topics like this when i have been in those topics, your going to lose this BAAAAAADLY. Discussing like this is not going to get you anywhere. But plase just continue. I'm enjoying this, because both me and 7shining7one7 are right about this.
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.07 21:58:00 - [317] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 07/02/2009 22:03:47 what you have shown is... a) hybrids are graceful in falloff.. b) hybrids do way more dmg than lasers, when ignoring resists and dmg types and especially when factoring them in to find the actual dmg inflicted.. c) you've compared a midrange weapon (which scorch becomes when you put it in a megapulse) to an extreme short range weapon, and then saying that dps is the issue when really the dps is less on lasers but they have more range and thus have to move less to get within optimal.. and thus lasers do more damage over time unless hybrid users move and get within their optimal in which case the tables turn.. d) shown clearly that amarr is not overpowered to any degree with regards to dps.. and that they are indeed kings of mid range, and that gallente are kings of short range.. good at long range, and mediocre at mid range. and has the best base resists and damage type combination to battle amarr than any other race in game. (which is why amarr has gotten shafted by gallentean megathrons for ages) which is exactly the opposite of what you have been whining about the entire thread.. great job cmon.. where's your amarr is overpowered rant.. when all your graphs show otherwise.. what a f'ing failure.. you forgot what you were ranting about.. and went on a great trolling adventure till you forgot what you were actually talking about and then decided in your rage to prove yourself wrong.. and now you're going after nightmare cause he stepped on your toes after you stomped on his.. cheers..
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:01:00 - [318] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Murina Originally by: NightmareX EMORAGERANT So do you think my shiny new sig needs emo cons or is it ok as it is?. Oh noes, Murina is trying to hurt my feelings, oh noes. Doesn't you have anything better to say lol?. Or are you completely out of words to say to what we have told you?. Well other than whining about me not telling you my baddon fit, making emo insults and supporting nonsensical posts about fragmenting laserbeams by approaching them(im gonna eat out on that one for a looong time) and such you have told me nothing at all. Oh you did give your sissi bf area 1 v 1 BS epeen a stroke...
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:02:00 - [319] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/02/2009 22:05:42 Originally by: Murina Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Murina Originally by: NightmareX EMORAGERANT So do you think my shiny new sig needs emo cons or is it ok as it is?. Oh noes, Murina is trying to hurt my feelings, oh noes. Doesn't you have anything better to say lol?. Or are you completely out of words to say to what we have told you?. Well other than whining about me not telling you my baddon fit, making emo insults and supporting nonsensical posts about fragmenting laserbeams by approaching them(im gonna eat out on that one for a looong time) and such you have told me nothing at all. Oh you did give your sissi bf area 1 v 1 BS epeen a stroke... Oh, you still haven't learned to read or quote, awesome. Keep up the awesome poasting dude. And you know that sisi and TQ are exact the same when it's about DPS, webs and tracking right?.
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:09:00 - [320] Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 22:12:35 Originally by: 7shining7one7 b) hybrids do way more dmg than lasers, when ignoring resists and dmg types and especially when factoring them in to find the actual dmg inflicted.. Actually lasers do a lot more raw dmg in optimal than blasters do (MF vs antimatter or scorch vs null)...a lot more you just are not smart enough to do the math.

Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:12:00 - [321] Originally by: NightmareX And you know that sisi and TQ are exact the same when it's about DPS, webs and tracking right?. And you can sit all day in local with a faction fitted implanted BS looking in local for the 1 v 1 BS fights you are specifically fitted for, and have a designated area that is enforced by ccp where everybody honors the rules....
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:12:00 - [322] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 07/02/2009 22:13:12 Originally by: Murina Originally by: 7shining7one7 b) hybrids do way more dmg than lasers, when ignoring resists and dmg types and especially when factoring them in to find the actual dmg inflicted.. Actually lasers do a lot more dmg in optimal than blasters do (MF vs antimatter or scorch vs null)...a lot more you just are not smart enough to do the math. why do all your graphs show that hybrids do more damage? even when you did the megathron ion 2 dmg mods vs abaddon megapulse 2 dmg mods or the hyperion with 2 dmg mods vs an abaddon with 3 dmg mods.. it didn't matter .. the megathron and the hyperion still f'ing beat it in dps it's priceless.. also.. speaking of math.. i'd love to see you do 200 dps using scorch at a target that's 75km away.. when your optimal with scorch is 45km.. apparently amarr according to your graph are absolutely awesome in falloff.. even more so than minmatarr.. who would've thunk it.. totally contrary to the ingame experiences.. but you're probably right..
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:15:00 - [323] Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 22:15:45 Originally by: 7shining7one7 why do all your graphs show that hybrids do more damage? They do not show that, you just cannot read them properly.
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:16:00 - [324] Originally by: Murina Originally by: NightmareX And you know that sisi and TQ are exact the same when it's about DPS, webs and tracking right?. And you can sit all day in local with a faction fitted implanted BS looking in local for the 1 v 1 BS fights you are specifically fitted for, and have a designated area that is enforced by ccp where everybody honors the rules.... My Tempest is faction fitted?. Wow, what kind of a ****tard have told you that?. My tempest is ONLY t2 fitted. And my fitting is never changed only because i'm gonna fight a megathron or a geddon. I always use the same PVP setup.
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:17:00 - [325] Originally by: Murina Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 07/02/2009 22:13:12 Originally by: Murina Originally by: 7shining7one7 b) hybrids do way more dmg than lasers, when ignoring resists and dmg types and especially when factoring them in to find the actual dmg inflicted.. Actually lasers do a lot more dmg in optimal than blasters do (MF vs antimatter or scorch vs null)...a lot more you just are not smart enough to do the math. why do all your graphs show that hybrids do more damage? They do not show that you just cannot read them properly. i see hybrids doing most damage on all of them.. and i see you trying to fudge the numbers by comparing hypes and megathrons with 2 dmg mods.. to abaddons and geddons with 3 dmg mods and even then they still fail to do more dmg at optimal than the aforementioned. how do you explain that?
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:19:00 - [326] Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 22:21:17 Originally by: 7shining7one7 i see hybrids doing most damage on all of them.. how do you explain that? Slot and pg availability and ehp nublet, and if you cannot see pulse doing massive amounts of more raw dmg in their optimal than blasters thats your problem cos its there to see.
Christari Zuborov Amarr Ore Mongers	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:20:00 - [327] This whole argument means zilch - Even if it were 1000 dps at 90km, it would still mean nothing...Picking out a very narrowed aspect of any ship in game and crying OP is ludicrous. Murina, stop trashing up our forums with this garbage. Your quickly reaching the same level of annoyance as Skydancer.
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:22:00 - [328] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 07/02/2009 22:24:37 linkage this shows hype with 2 dmg mods beating an armageddon with 3 dmg mods.. it also shows a hype with null charges hitting out to 40-50km.. wtf? it's gotta be because the drone damage is factored in.. hey that graph utill.. is it in beta by any chance?
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:28:00 - [329] Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 22:31:46 Originally by: 7shining7one7 this shows hype with 2 dmg mods beating an armageddon with 3 dmg mods.. No its does not show the hype beating it, not even close, the geddon is owning the dmg amount in optimal. Originally by: 7shining7one7 it also shows a hype with null charges hitting out to 40-50km.. wtf? it's gotta be because the drone damage is factored in.. Its not hitting at 40-50km with null then is it...., These were realistic fits on properly fitted and tanked ships including drones. Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:32:00 - [330] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/02/2009 22:34:42 Murina, i forgot to tell you that i'm proud of your signature. Because it shows the true image of you. I feel kinda special that my name is on a sig to someone else here. Now, only if you could have said something that i have said my self, then it would be even more cool. Check out my new flash web page 'Dark Paradise'



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