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Gierling
Gallente Viper Squad
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Posted - 2009.02.04 16:53:00 -
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Amarr are the only race that get a dedicated long range fleet gun incomparable to the other races.
Can we please get an equivelant for the other races already.
Say a 600mm railgun and 1500mm arty.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2009.02.04 16:57:00 -
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I rather have all weapon categories have different weapons than them all being the same.
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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Gierling
Gallente Viper Squad
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Posted - 2009.02.04 17:07:00 -
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Then you have a beef with CCP because Tach's are the only weapon that breaks thier pattern.
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GO MaZ
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.04 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling Then you have a beef with CCP because Tach's are the only weapon that breaks thier pattern.
Stop whining and train amarr already.
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Brodde Dim
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2009.02.04 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling Then you have a beef with CCP because Tach's are the only weapon that breaks thier pattern.
There are a few more like XL shield boosters etc. |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2009.02.04 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Gierling Amarr are the only race that get a dedicated long range fleet gun incomparable to the other races.
Can we please get an equivelant for the other races already.
Say a 600mm railgun and 1500mm arty.
Fine, as soon as Amarr get something in-between the stupidly weak Dual Heavy Pulse and Mega Pulse.
As soon as Caldari get ANY downgrade options WHAT SO EVER! The only "Downgrade" Caldari get is on cruiser sized vessels: Heavy Missiles -> Assault Missiles (Not Heavy Assault) But it actually Its more of a situational weapon system, not a downgrade.
As soon as Shield tankers get a midslot Shield extender that gives 3000+ hp. and can be fit onto cruisers.
Etc...Etc..
In other worse. Make every race the same!!!
Or not... Leave it be. Tachyons have enough drawbacks as it is. Fit Tachyons onto anything but an Apoc and you'll only be able to fire them for 2-3 minutes. not to mention a full rack of them needs at least a tech II RCU just to fit. and another RCU to fit anything else. They also have the shortest range of any long range weapon. |
achoura
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Posted - 2009.02.04 17:45:00 -
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I know, lets make everything the same! Then we can all fly the same ship the same way!! |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.04 17:48:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 04/02/2009 17:50:32
Originally by: Last Wolf
Fine, as soon as Amarr get something in-between the stupidly weak Dual Heavy Pulse and Mega Pulse.
Hello?...mega pulse on amarr BS are as OP to blasters and AC as tachs are to arties and rails. |
Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
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Posted - 2009.02.04 17:51:00 -
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There are already three models of battleship-class railguns. 425mm rails on a Rokh can already easily shoot past the maximum locking range of 249km. Railgun sniper BSes already have a hard time fitting a full rack of 425s along with a reasonable sniper fit because powergrid is too tight.
And you want to add a bigger model that will in all likelyhood shoot farther and require more powergrid?
I could almost see CCP introducing a third model of artillery for every sub-capital ship class but it wouldn't necessarily be a bigger model. |
Vanthropy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.04 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 04/02/2009 17:50:32
Originally by: Last Wolf
Fine, as soon as Amarr get something in-between the stupidly weak Dual Heavy Pulse and Mega Pulse.
Hello?...mega pulse on amarr BS are as OP to blasters and AC as tachs are to arties and rails.
this was just a sytax error on his part.
As soon as Amarr gets somthing in between the stupidly weak DHP and the (stupidly strong) MEga pulse.
and all the weapon systems are fine. "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up" |
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.04 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vanthropy
and all the weapon systems are fine.
As long as and especially if you fly amarr......
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Solo is all about skill not ship fits.....
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong ...The anti inty fit is absolutely crap against cruisers and AFs.
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7shining7one7
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.02.04 20:27:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 04/02/2009 20:28:55
Originally by: Gierling Amarr are the only race that get a dedicated long range fleet gun incomparable to the other races.
Can we please get an equivelant for the other races already.
Say a 600mm railgun and 1500mm arty.
try fitting tachyons and msg me ingame with a list of amarr ships where you can fit t2 tachs decently except mb paladin and nightmare, and even then you require hardwirings and/or fitting mods just to squeeze them in on those two..
also, armor tanking is low slot same as pg mods.
oh yeah.. and... the capacitor is empty, and tracking?
gotta love complaints without noting the context to their usage.
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.04 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
try fitting tachyons
Done, the apoc can hit at max with them, no gallente BS or mini BS can do the same.
Originally by: 7shining7one7 also, armor tanking is low slot same as pg mods.
So are rig slots pal, anyway range is the snipers tank and as such the rokh and apoc have the best BS sniper tanks in game by far.
Originally by: 7shining7one7 the capacitor is empty
It can be made cap stable or at least as stable as gallente sniper BS that have considerably less range and reload cycles.
Originally by: 7shining7one7 and tracking?
They have better tracking than rails or arties.
Originally by: 7shining7one7 gotta love complaints without noting the context to their usage.
Gotta love fools who do not even research the crap they post.... |
7shining7one7
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2009.02.04 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 04/02/2009 20:57:07 you need the rigs aswell as low slots to fit tachs unless you plan to vapour tank..
wtb cap stable tachyon sniping apoc that doesn't require rigs or hardwirings.
arties are capless, rails do kin/therm, the best all round dmg type combination in game, lasers do em/therm and has more range and less reload to compensate, and cap issues.
more base tracking but less if you don't want to gimp your fit..
grats you found a humongus list containing 1 ship that can successfully fit tachyons in a sniper fit run to the forum mobile...
obviously tach's are overpowered cause they are viable as sniper setup on 1 ship cause sniping doesn't require any tank or mid/low slot variation, and can barely be fitted on other ships. do call the ccp hotline. something must be done.
ps. train em armor compensation V.
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.04 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: 7shining7one7
you need the rigs aswell as low slots to fit tachs unless you plan to vapour tank..
wtb cap stable tachyon sniping apoc that doesn't require rigs or hardwirings.
As commented on range in a sniper = tank, and do you have a phobia against rigs?.
Originally by: 7shining7one7 arties are capless, rails do kin/therm, the best all round dmg type combination in game, lasers do em/therm and has more range and less reload to compensate, and cap issues.
Arties can hardy hit even at 200km, kin and therm dmg is no better than em/therm it just depends on what you are shooting at and how it is tanked. Cap and reload are not issues when fitting a sniper apoc correctly.
Originally by: 7shining7one7 more base tracking but less if you don't want to gimp your fit..
Nope always more tracking vs range actually....
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:02:00 -
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Edited by: Last Wolf on 04/02/2009 22:04:45
Originally by: Murina Done, the apoc can hit at max with them, no gallente BS or mini BS can do the same with their respective weapons no matter the fit.
So? What Exactly is your point? The Apoc and Rokh can snipe? OMG, they have sniping bonuses, how dare they snipe better than ships without them!!!!!
The eagle/vulture can hit to 200km with MEDIUM turrets. Not other medium sized ships can do that.
The Dominix/Ishtar can get 500 DPS from tech II sentries and Rigs, Not other ships can do that.
Minmatar Ships can web out to 40km, No other race can do that.
Gallente Ships can warp scram out to 60km, No other Race can do that
God, you're like that stupid spoiled brat in the toy store that screams and whines and cries for no other reason but to scream and whine and cry.
Originally by: Murina It can be made cap stable or at least as stable as gallente sniper BS that have considerably less range and reload cycles.
What the hell? Beams are the SHORTEST RANGE LONG RANGE weapon. You're comparing them as-if they have the Apoc's bonus built right into them and they work like that on all ships.
Heres some fits. I tried to fit them for 180+km optimal and 70k+ EHP with MWD
[Rokh, Sniper-DDD Tank] Reactor Control Unit II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II
425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L 425mm Railgun II, Spike L
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
DPS: 273 (With Reload time included) 285 without Aplha: 1597 ROF: 5.6 seconds Tracking: 0.00329 Optimal: 224km Falloff: 30km Targeting: 226km EHP: 90,295
[Apocalypse, Sniper-DDD Tank]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Adaptive Nano Plating II Tracking Enhancer II Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Tracking Computer II
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L Tachyon Beam Laser II, Aurora L
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
Needs +3% CPU implant to work.
DPS: 243 Alpha:2186 ROF: 9.0 Optimal: 200km Falloff: 25km Targeting: 205km EHP: 75,863
Anyways. I fail to see how Tachyons are so overpowered? They each have their pros and cons. Fitting them on a ship with similar bonuses the Rails outperform the Tachyons In every area except tracking, which means jack-**** at those ranges, and Alpha. And rails are stupidly easier to fit on the ships designed for them than Tachyons (Even Mega Beams) are on their ships. Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf So? What Exactly is your point? The Apoc and Rokh can snipe?
That is the point emo boy, the other races should have a sniper BS as well or tachs should be nerfed a little as range is the caldari area as the eagle and vulture show. Either that or the bonus on the apoc needs changing..
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Solo is all about skill not ship fits.....
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong ...The anti inty fit is absolutely crap against cruisers and AFs.
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:09:00 -
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I'll Compare the Abaddon/Armageddon to the Hyperion/Megathron If you'd like.
But It would still be the same. Rails would do the same or similar damage do to being able to use Damage mods instead of fitting mods. Rails have longer range, and hell of a lot more cap stable. Oh, but Beams have more tracking, so they are obviously overpowered because we all know how important tracking is at 200km!!!!!! (Err I mean 170km, because that is about as far as you'll get Beams on a non-apoc.) Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down |
Grista
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: GO MaZ
Originally by: Gierling Then you have a beef with CCP because Tach's are the only weapon that breaks thier pattern.
Stop whining and train amarr already.
Formerly T2 Tempest now T2 Apoc pilot checking in. |
Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 04/02/2009 22:15:21
Originally by: Last Wolf I'll Compare the Abaddon/Armageddon to the Hyperion/Megathron If you'd like.
Why would you fly sniper fitted Abaddon/Armageddons with beams when you have the option of the apoc, are you stupid?.
While gallente and mini have the option of????....oh thats right they do not have a range bonused sniper BS that can hit at max like amarr have. |
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Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 04/02/2009 22:15:21
Originally by: Last Wolf I'll Compare the Abaddon/Armageddon to the Hyperion/Megathron If you'd like.
Why would you fly sniper fitted Abaddon/Armageddons with beams when you have the option of the apoc, are you stupid?.
While gallente and mini have the option of????....oh thats right they do not have a range bonused sniper BS that can hit at max like amarr have.
So? No other race has an E-war based Battleship. No other race has a drone based Battleship. No other race has a tracking Bonused Battleship. No other race has a split weapon system Battleship.
It seems you just want everything to be grouped together.
Here this should make you happy.
Races and all but one ship have now been removed.
There is now only 4 skills. Ship Guns Tank Speed
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Christari Zuborov
Amarr Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 04/02/2009 22:15:21
Originally by: Last Wolf I'll Compare the Abaddon/Armageddon to the Hyperion/Megathron If you'd like.
Why would you fly sniper fitted Abaddon/Armageddons with beams when you have the option of the apoc, are you stupid?.
While gallente and mini have the option of????....oh thats right they do not have a range bonused sniper BS that can hit at max like amarr have.
Last I checked, there's no two races that can perform equally as well in any role.
You can fit x8 Nuets on a Domi, but it doesn't perform equally as a Curse...
I demand the Domi be limited to 2 Nuets/Nos and the Curse to be given 100mb/bandwidth, there, neener-neener!
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Murina on 04/02/2009 22:39:01
Originally by: Last Wolf
No other race has an.....
So your saying that no other race should share the racial characteristics of another?...
Range is the caldari characteristic as far as range/sniper ships are concerned as was clearly pointed out with the examples of the eagle, vulture rokh ect ect..
Nice to see you supporting the apoc amarr/nerf, especially considering im more about buffing than nerfing but hey some ppl cannot help but be negative i suppose.
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Solo is all about skill not ship fits.....
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong ...The anti inty fit is absolutely crap against cruisers and AFs.
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Xoth Freefall
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf Edited by: Last Wolf on 04/02/2009 22:04:45
What the hell? Beams are the SHORTEST RANGE LONG RANGE weapon.
Can you post a tempest or maelstorm artillery fit that can reach 200km optimal with comparable ehp to one of the setups you posted?
Thanks
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Graalum
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.04 22:52:00 -
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i can't believe that there are people posting about the mega not being good enough of a snipe. No realistic fc is going to have you shooing from more than about 210 km, and all but the tempest can hit that well enough |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr Divinity's Edge
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:01:00 -
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You're not limited to your races' default skillsets. Crosstrain if you want the advantages. Let me see how much you'll be rooting for Tachyons if you have trouble fitting 7 on an apoc with AWU 5 and an RCU. And don't get me started on the cap.
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx You're not limited to your races' default skillsets. Crosstrain if you want the advantages.
Or just train amarr as they seem to have a niche ship that slots into every other races "advantaged area" rather nicely....
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Solo is all about skill not ship fits.....
Originally by: Amira Shadowsong ...The anti inty fit is absolutely crap against cruisers and AFs.
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fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: fuxinos on 04/02/2009 23:32:49
Originally by: Gierling Amarr are the only race that get a dedicated long range fleet gun incomparable to the other races.
Can we please get an equivelant for the other races already.
Say a 600mm railgun and 1500mm arty.
You already have with hybrids.
Dual 250mm Rails, 350mm Rails, 425mm Rails are hybrid bs-class sniper-weapons.
Minmatar have 3 bs-class closerange weapons ( Dual 425mm, Dual 650mm and 800mm ) therfor and Amarr only 2 ( Dual Heavy Pulse and Mega Pulse ).
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Murina
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: fuxinos
You already have with hybrids.
Dual 250mm Rails, 350mm Rails, 425mm Rails are hybrid bs-class sniper-weapons.
And no matter how many tracking comps gallente ships or mini ships fit they can never reach the range that tachs do. |
fuxinos
Caldari Guys 0f Sarcasm
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Posted - 2009.02.04 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: fuxinos on 04/02/2009 23:44:24 Edited by: fuxinos on 04/02/2009 23:43:05
Originally by: Murina
Originally by: fuxinos
You already have with hybrids.
Dual 250mm Rails, 350mm Rails, 425mm Rails are hybrid bs-class sniper-weapons.
And no matter how many tracking comps gallente ships or mini ships fit they can never reach the range that tachs do.
425mm with max Skills and Spike (unbonused) have 130km optimal + 30km Falloff and Tachs with Aurora have 119km optimal and 25km falloff (unbonused).
Thx.
Its more like Gallente lack a ship with rangebonus rather then the weapons being imbalanced. |
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