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7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:33:00 - [331] Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 22:31:46 Originally by: 7shining7one7 this shows hype with 2 dmg mods beating an armageddon with 3 dmg mods.. No its does not show the hype beating it, not even close, the geddon is owning the dmg amount in optimal. Originally by: 7shining7one7 it also shows a hype with null charges hitting out to 40-50km.. wtf? it's gotta be because the drone damage is factored in.. Its not hitting at 40-50km with null then is it...., These were realistic fits on properly fitted and tanked ships including drones. oh i get it, you're looking at it upside down.. that's why the teal scorch abaddon does most dmg in your eyes..
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:36:00 - [332] Originally by: NightmareX Murina, i forgot to tell you that i'm proud of your signature. Because it shows the true image of you. It actually showed me just how far you are willing to go and how much obviously deluded rubbish you are willing to support...Do you honestly think supporting ignorant and utterly wrong comments like that is a good idea?..... Its your rep dude, and if their one thing i know its that the truth trumps troll every time.... You failed. Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:37:00 - [333] Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 22:37:38 Originally by: 7shining7one7 oh i get it, you're looking at it upside down.. that's why the teal scorch abaddon does most dmg in your eyes.. Nope keep trying jr, you may get there eventually..its quite simple really. Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal
Letifer Deus 181st Legion	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:39:00 - [334] Originally by: 7shining7one7 lol? Please stop posting. Please. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:40:00 - [335] Originally by: Murina Originally by: NightmareX Murina, i forgot to tell you that i'm proud of your signature. Because it shows the true image of you. It actually showed me just how far you are willing to go and how much obviously deluded rubbish you are willing to support...Do you honestly think supporting ignorant and utterly wrong comments like that is a good idea?..... Its your rep dude, and if their one thing i know its that the truth trumps troll every time.... You failed. NO U.. seriously dude.. the amount of rubbish, ad hominems and contradictions you've made in this thread alone brings you quite close to the troll hall of fame.. if anything you are the last person that should be talking about rep right now... you're so far out that you are denying your own graphs just cause they don't consist with what you are now saying.. and cause you're tired of contradicting yourself.. and then you assault some random dude trying to give him a bad rep for calling you an idiot after you've stomped on his feet quite extensively.. that's awesome..
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:43:00 - [336] Originally by: Murina Do you honestly think supporting ignorant and utterly wrong comments like that is a good idea?..... The wrong comments?. Hahahaha, your so awesome dude, please continue to poast. Please JUST DO IT. Hah, this is getting funnier and funnier. Check out my new flash web page 'Dark Paradise'
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:44:00 - [337] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 07/02/2009 22:44:47 Originally by: Letifer Deus Originally by: 7shining7one7 lol? Please stop posting. Please. look at that.. that's how much sense you just made. you got a troll saying that megapulse in optimal beats blasters in optimal and he's using that to say that amarr are overpowered and you're telling me to shut up?
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:44:00 - [338] Originally by: 7shining7one7 you're so far out that you are denying your own graphs just cause they don't consist with what you are now saying.. I am denying nothing, you just need to learn the basics. Originally by: 7shining7one7 and then you assault some random dude trying to give him a bad rep for calling you an idiot.. Insults get responded to by insults, and he chose to back your silly "approaching inside optimal reduces laser dmg" idea when he, i and everybody but you knows how absurdly wrong it is. Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:46:00 - [339] Originally by: Murina Originally by: 7shining7one7 you're so far out that you are denying your own graphs just cause they don't consist with what you are now saying.. I am denying nothing, you just need to learn the basics. Originally by: 7shining7one7 and then you assault some random dude trying to give him a bad rep for calling you an idiot.. Insults get responded to by insults, and he chose to back your silly "approaching inside optimal reduces laser dmg" idea when he, i and everybody but you knows how absurdly wrong it is. Do you know why i back him up?. Dude i'm not an idiot when it's about fittings / ships and stats on ships / items. Check out my new flash web page 'Dark Paradise'
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:47:00 - [340] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Murina Do you honestly think supporting ignorant and utterly wrong comments like that is a good idea?..... The wrong comments?. Hahahaha, your so awesome dude, please continue to poast. Please JUST DO IT. Hah, this is getting funnier and funnier. OK mr pro, does approaching a laser ship inside its optimal with 0 transversal reduce the dmg you take (cos of beam fragmentation or whatever)?. I say no what do you say?. Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal

7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:47:00 - [341] Originally by: Murina Originally by: 7shining7one7 you're so far out that you are denying your own graphs just cause they don't consist with what you are now saying.. I am denying nothing, you just need to learn the basics. Originally by: 7shining7one7 and then you assault some random dude trying to give him a bad rep for calling you an idiot.. Insults get responded to by insults, and he chose to back your silly "approaching inside optimal reduces laser dmg" idea when he, i and everybody but you knows how absurdly wrong it is. what about when you say megapulse has more dps than blasters when they are both at optimal.. and how about when you said that it's easier to track once the target gets closer..
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:49:00 - [342] Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 22:47:53 Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Murina Do you honestly think supporting ignorant and utterly wrong comments like that is a good idea?..... The wrong comments?. Hahahaha, your so awesome dude, please continue to poast. Please JUST DO IT. Hah, this is getting funnier and funnier. OK mr pro, does approaching a laser ship inside its optimal with 0 transversal to effect dmg reduce the dmg you take (cos of beam fragmentation or whatever)?. I say no what do you say?. Why the hell do you bring up something i have never said?. Check out my new flash web page 'Dark Paradise'
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:51:00 - [343] Originally by: 7shining7one7 what about when you say megapulse has more dps than blasters when they are both at optimal.. They do, a lot more you just do not understand the graphs. Originally by: 7shining7one7 and how about when you said that it's easier to track once the target gets closer.. I said range makes tracking easier, it was you who wrongly interpreted it to mean closer. Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:51:00 - [344] Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 22:52:28 Originally by: NightmareX Why the hell do you bring up something i have never said?. It is summat you supported pal. When i asked you about that commentt you said... Quote: Yes i support 7shining7one7 in EVERY **ing way. Originally by:** NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:52:00 - [345] cause he's gone over to personal attacks since he realized that amarr wasn't overpowered dps wise but simply has more range which causes them to do less dps but more damage over time due to them just switching crystals to stay in optimal rather than having to move around like gallente has to.. unless gallente moves and gets within optimal in which case the tables turn.. the thread is over.. he's just going through the death cramps and throwing sjit at ppl..
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:54:00 - [346] Originally by: 7shining7one7 ignorant troll Go away even nightmare knows you optimal idea was stupid and ignorant. Originally by: NightmareX Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching them even with 0 transversal
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:54:00 - [347] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/02/2009 22:54:55 Originally by: Murina It is summat you supported pal. So only because i support 7shining7one7 in what he's saying, you have to write something that i have never said in your sig?. You have 30 mins to remove your sig or get reported. Check out my new flash web page 'Dark Paradise'
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:57:00 - [348] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 07/02/2009 22:57:23 Originally by: Murina Originally by: 7shining7one7 ignorant troll Go away even nightmare knows you optimal idea was stupid and ignorant. then why don't you flame me instead of nightmare.. ? he's got sjit to do with what i said.. trying to give him a bad rep or whatever.. what are you.. 5?
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:57:00 - [349] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Murina It is summat you supported pal. So only because i support 7shining7one7 in what he's saying, you have to have that in your sig?. You have 30 mins to remove your sig or get reported. I will remove it instantly if you use you amazing game knowledge to tell us if its accurate or not?, after all we are here for the truth are we not?. Il give you the geddon fit if you do, and all im asking for is honesty, hardly summat you should be afraid of.. Originally by: 7shining7one7 Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching with 0 transversal Originally by: NightmareX Yes i support 7shining7one7 in EVERY ing way
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 22:59:00 - [350] Originally by: Murina Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Murina It is summat you supported pal. So only because i support 7shining7one7 in what he's saying, you have to have that in your sig?. You have 30 mins to remove your sig or get reported. I will remove it instantly if you use you amazing game knowledge to tell us if its accurate or not?, after all we are here for the truth are we not?. Il give you the geddon fit if you do, and all im asking for is honesty, hardly summat you should be afraid of.. Time is ticking. Check out my new flash web page 'Dark Paradise'

Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 23:01:00 - [351] Originally by: NightmareX Time is ticking. Tell you what il change it, ccp cannot have a problem with accurate quoting................or the truth unlike you it seems... Originally by: 7shining7one7 Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching with 0 transversal Originally by: NightmareX Yes i support 7shining7one7 in EVERY ing way
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.07 23:02:00 - [352] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 07/02/2009 23:03:17 Originally by: Murina Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Murina It is summat you supported pal. So only because i support 7shining7one7 in what he's saying, you have to have that in your sig?. You have 30 mins to remove your sig or get reported. I will remove it instantly if you use you amazing game knowledge to tell us if its accurate or not?, after all we are here for the truth are we not?. Il give you the geddon fit if you do, and all im asking for is honesty, hardly summat you should be afraid of.. why don't you give us some truth and admit that this whole amarr is overpowered rant had diddly to do with dps and everything to do with amarr having more range on pulse than gallente has on blasters.. which means that gallente can do more dmg but has to move around more and keep the target more stationary in to do it.. and why do you then not also concede that amarr has a lot of fitting and cap issues to contend with, that seems to balance this out.. not to mention lack of dronage.. when has blaster megathron been useless.. it hasn't.. it's only since amarr has become more viable due to the speed nerf that you start to complain.. i bet you didn't complain all the time that the blasterhrons were owning anything that moved.. double standards are awesome aren't they.. oh and why is it your main is banned from posting?
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 23:02:00 - [353] Edited by: NightmareX on 07/02/2009 23:03:46 Originally by: Murina Originally by: NightmareX Time is ticking. Tell you what il change it, ccp cannot have a problem with accurate quoting................or the truth unlike you it seems... They will remove it when it's about insutling players for something that haven't been said. Check out my new flash web page 'Dark Paradise'
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 23:04:00 - [354] Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 23:04:44 Originally by: NightmareX EDIT. That was a better sig Murina. That one can stay. Like its up to you. Originally by: 7shining7one7 Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching with 0 transversal Originally by: NightmareX Yes i support 7shining7one7 in EVERY ing way
NightmareX Celtic Anarchy Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.02.07 23:07:00 - [355] Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 23:04:44 Originally by: NightmareX EDIT. That was a better sig Murina. That one can stay. Like its up to you. Believe it or not, if i had reported it, it would be removed. Check out my new flash web page 'Dark Paradise'
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 23:11:00 - [356] Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 23:12:08 Ok, it seems the silly trolls have gone so lets continue. The graphs clearly show that with such huge optimal and high dmg as well as the fact that with the available target selection BS have the reduced tracking on BS lasers is not significant enough to be a real limiting factor. This makes them considerably overpowered compared to blasters or AC and as such adjustments are required to one or all 3 of the systems. Originally by: 7shining7one7 Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching with 0 transversal Originally by: NightmareX Yes i support 7shining7one7 in EVERY ing way
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.07 23:11:00 - [357] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 07/02/2009 23:12:42 Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 07/02/2009 23:03:46 Originally by: Murina Originally by: NightmareX Time is ticking. Tell you what il change it, ccp cannot have a problem with accurate quoting................or the truth unlike you it seems... They will remove it when it's about insutling players for something that haven't been said. yeah, i was the one who said that, in hindsight it probably has more to do with the tracking than a dual issue of tracking and the laser properties.. but in my experience with rails, when a target gets closer and gets below optimal you do less damage on it because the optimal is so far out and because of the tracking and transversal more than anything else.. and with beams it seems same thing.. and with pulse and blasters.. well that's different cause when they get closer they go towards optimal rather than away from optimal and then you actually start to hit better as they get closer to you because the optimal is so close to 0km.. except in the case of scorch where they when they get closer go well below optimal so that's probably due to tracking and how that relates to the distance from the optimal to 0km.. at any rate i was the one who said that.. nightmare has diddly to do with that.. i've been right about most things i've said in this thread.. which is the parts he's referring to.. at any rate.. if you want to flame someone for saying something.. then flame the person saying it rather than someone else.. you're being a f'ing idiot and you know it. right is right.. and fair is fair also.
Zamolxiss Amarr ROMANIA Renegades Legiunea ROmana	Posted - 2009.02.07 23:12:00 - [358] lmao I thought it ended two pages ago, see you boys still going at it.. Murina, given that i think you fail at eve on every level.. i'm obviously a noob.. like most of the people here.. so i was wondering.. if we fail at understanding the game even thogh you tryied to enlighten us on countless ocasions, in numerous threads during recent times.. why don't you do it the hard way!?.. i mean why don't you shut our noobish, clueless mouths the way a true know it all, elite pvp'er like yourself would!? it gives you the chance to put your money where your mouth is and it also gives us the change to learn from a true master!? What do you say mate!? classic 1 vs 1 in bs's.. lets say 1 bil a match, best of 21!?.. easy 11 bil for a true master like yourself.. Don't let me down mate
Murina Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2009.02.07 23:15:00 - [359] Originally by: 7shining7one7 yeah, i was the one who said that, in hindsight it probably has more to do with the tracking than a dual issue of tracking and the laser properties.. Simple honesty apparently beyond nightmare... Now we can begin if you wish, wanna know the geddon setup?, or how i can easily show laser out damaging blasters in their respective optimals?.. Originally by: 7shining7one7 Lasers get reduced dmg inside optimal if you are approaching with 0 transversal Originally by: NightmareX Yes i support 7shining7one7 in EVERY ing way
7shining7one7	Posted - 2009.02.07 23:18:00 - [360] Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 07/02/2009 23:12:08 Ok, it seems the silly trolls have gone so lets continue. The graphs clearly show that with such huge optimal and high dmg as well as the fact that with the available target selection BS have the reduced tracking on BS lasers is not significant enough to be a real limiting factor. This makes them considerably overpowered compared to blasters or AC and as such adjustments are required to one or all 3 of the systems. isn't the adjustment just that you fit rails with antimatter or move around a bit more and get within optimal with blasters? i mean you can't just expect gallente to rival amarr in mid range just cause you want to sit still and pop them 40km out with blasters.. sure ccp could make blasters just like megapulse but how sad would that be.. it'd just be removing one fun way of doing combat and replacing it with more of the same.. so what if it's not viable right now.. or a bit harder to achieve with the speed and web nerf.. it's still fun when you get within optimal and do insane amounts of damage.. you can warp in straight on top of them or whatever..



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