Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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Tech 3 ships and the subsystem skill loss mechanic will be detailed by Nozh in his blog which is due out soon. As with everything, things always change before release and when Apocrypha arrives on sisi next week, we can and will be making changes based on feedback there. If it turns out that this mechanic or any other is not working out based on that feedback then we will change it or remove it.

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Originally by: StevieSG

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Verone looks like data from star trek. that is all.

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Originally by: Isil Rahsen

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I approve of this development.I find I can't F5 fast enough for all the tears.

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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it's like 34 hours to testing :P

and we won't even have a write up on were testing :P

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Originally by: Threv Echandari

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Edited by: Threv Echandari on 08/02/2009 05:22:42
Throwing my ill informed 2 isk in; I'm going to have to agree with the "Ship has SP" and its tied to your Pilot somehow in terms the T3 skills used to pilot it.Thats going from what I read in EON, the Fanfest Video and the other carp floating on the forums. So yeah if you lose it, its going to hurt, like you lost a freind.
Yeah Bellum, you may have been on track with that but its also the similar to "Crew Ideas" that have been floating around too.
As for Meryn's comments about "Cooking" ships with alts; if the ship is tied to YOU then you will only be able to "Cook" one ship at a time no "alt cooking". Regardless of whether the ships gains SP by mere time spent flying, or by actually killing stuff (hi-sec rat farming),like Neocron where you got better in a particular skill by using it, your Char will not be doing anything else and you will get bored sooner than later and want to take it out (or you know go out in one of your old T2 ships and have fun like you used to).
So you tell me Meryn, given the circumstnaces above would YOU tie up your combat main flying afk for days on end in a cloaker, or blasting an alt in bantam knowing that all that (non-fun)cooking time will go straight down the toilet when your ship gets popped?

Meh.. It doesn't matter really, we are going to find out soon enough. The fact that T3 is going to be on SISI next week is the really big news . Speculate, cry, whine all you want (a general you not a specific "you"), we will have the answers to all these questions soon enough.

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Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

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Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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Tech 3 ships and the subsystem skill loss mechanic will be detailed by Nozh in his blog which is due out soon. As with everything, things always change before release and when Apocrypha arrives on sisi next week, we can and will be making changes based on feedback there. If it turns out that this mechanic or any other is not working out based on that feedback then we will change it or remove it.

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Do I actually need to test that or can I tell you what I think of this kind of game design right now?

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Originally by: Trind2222

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Edited by: Trind2222 on 08/02/2009 05:45:13
Hope the T3 ahips will be like illegal goods it is risk to take it to empire

You will not lose any thing else sp then t3 ships skill tree as I understand?

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Originally by: John'eh

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I will tell you; This is the most epic fail I have seen from CCP in terms of game design yet. I'm not a PVP'er either; I just think that this is a waste. Why would you do something as stupid as make SP the basis for something that can be lost to easy? You know that any t3 ship will be called primary, so it will be lost the second it un-docks. The risk for this is too great because no matter how good the ship is, its going down asap.

CCP has once again proven that they dont know squat in terms of game design; nobody will use Tech3 except people in NPC corps who sit in empire all day. And even then, no doubt they will not be usable for missions so they will be worthless.

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Originally by: OffBeaT

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you should not be able to use your jump clone in a t3 ship. not lose skill points for it.

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Originally by: Cailais

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And yet, when CCP add risk apparently this is a 'bad idea'?

I was originally of the opinion that many EVE players embraced risk, and really enjoyed the fact that EVE was one game where 'loss' really meant something. Sadly from the comments I've read so far I cant hold to that view any longer. I think its safe to say that those players who deride the risk averse "carebears" only do so provided its on their terms, and its not actually them risking anything at all really.

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Originally by: Mecinia Lua

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Originally by: Trind2222

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Edited by: Trind2222 on 08/02/2009 05:45:13
Hope the T3 ahips will be like illegal goods it is risk to take it to empire

You will not lose any thing else sp then t3 ships skill tree as I understand?

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I see that as the problem really. It means your essentially trapped in that ship. Much like a Mothership or Titan pilot, but your only in a cruiser.

I don't see many folks going to want to lose skills just to switch ships, and heaven help you if you have to leave the ship to change out the configuration.

In essence seems like a hair brained idea. Sadly though CCP has not really impressed much in the last few expansions.

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Originally by: Mecinia Lua

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Originally by: Mecinia Lua

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I see that as the problem really. It means your essentially trapped in that ship. Much like a Mothership or Titan pilot, but your only in a cruiser.

I don't see many folks going to want to lose skills just to switch ships, and heaven help you if you have to leave the ship to change out the configuration.

In essence seems like a hair brained idea. Sadly though CCP has not really impressed much in the last few expansions.

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That's another problem which will hamper their use. Many folks in 0.0 use JC especially to go to empire to get skillbooks and such.

If the ship impairs that it'll be just like a prison that impedes growth.

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Originally by: Tiirae

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Originally by: Cailais

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And yet, when CCP add risk apparently this is a 'bad idea'?

I was originally of the opinion that many EVE players embraced risk, and really enjoyed the fact that EVE was one game where 'loss' really meant something. Sadly from the comments I've read so far I cant hold to that view any longer. I think its safe to say that those players who deride the risk averse "carebears" only do so provided its on their terms, and its not actually them risking anything at all really.

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You are kidding, right? Most people in this game are extremely risk averse, for example those kiddies who call themselves 'pirates' and just blob low-sec gates all day. it's the most carebearing profession there is.

Believe me, the risk of losing an expensive ship is extremely scary for a lot of people. it's why solo pvp is so hard to find in many places. it's why people blob. 90% of the people who used to fly nano ships weren't doing it for the tactical challenge, they were doing it so you had a95% chance of being able to run away.

I have _no idea_ where you would get the impression that eve players enjoy risky activities. The only risk that people learn to live with is (riskofdeath=(1/fleetsize))

Look, for a lot of people, losing 100m in t2 HACs every week is a royal pain in the butt, because almost all activities to earn isk are just not fun. Adding the likelihood that you will also lose a week's worth of training makes it unpalatable. Before, at least while you were grinding to get back to previous level of ISK, you could be training new skills. Now, you'll only just get back to the prvious level of skill as well.

Sure, it would be better if people were prepared to face bigger risks and put it all on the line. but they won't. So the upshot is just that people won't fly the ships. You can't change people.

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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it's like 34 hours to testing :P

and we won't even have a write up on were testing :P

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Originally by: Isil Rahsen

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Edited by: Isil Rahsen on 08/02/2009 06:58:37

Originally by: Mecinia Lua

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Originally by: Mecinia Lua

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I see that as the problem really. It means your essentially trapped in that ship. Much like a Mothership or Titan pilot, but your only in a cruiser.

I don't see many folks going to want to lose skills just to switch ships, and heaven help you if you have to leave the ship to change out the configuration.

In essence seems like a hair brained idea. Sadly though CCP has not really impressed much in the last few expansions.

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That's another problem which will hamper their use. Many folks in 0.0 use JC especially to go to empire to get skillbooks and such.

If the ship impairs that it'll be just like a prison that impedes growth.

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Did you bother to engage your brain when you typed this? Where does it say you lose skillpoints for leaving the ship. All i've seen indicates SP loss upon destruction of ship via explosion or repackaging.

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