Originally by: Seibicoe

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This is rly cool cuz with ships getting XP to level up skills newer players can catch up to vets jus dont fly to pvp whit the ship and its cool. CCP jus need to make the FW battlegrounds better so we can get rewards to like and then we can level up and pvp to earn some epic stuffs we can use cccp are being very clever whit making it like this as wow is the bestest selling game and if atari wants some monies the boxed eve must sell lots off coppies.

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Originally by: Kiran

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I like this idea T3 ships are going to be rare for one, and so the skills to fly one should be like wise. This reminds me of the good old days of Jedi Permadeath in SWG. CCP please keep this in the game and dont let the whinning PvP'ers change this.

You guys want to pvp/fly T3 ships then prepare to lose it and your skills.

But then no one knows how tough these new ships will be yet so stop moaning.

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Originally by: Jack Gilligan

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Skill loss from losing a ship? Stupid. Unless these things are ridiculously overpowered, who would risk USING one in pvp?

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Originally by: Lethos Aranis

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I cbf reading through all this in detail right now and formulating another reply, but here's what I wrote on SHC that applies to this thread:

Originally by: "Garr Anders"

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I remember that somewhere someone from CCP said that your ship learns stuff, so when you disasemble it or loose it the stuff that was learned gets lost.

Yeah, I know thats very vague, but it could make sense, as in that when you fly your T3 assemebled, it gains SP to reduce drawbacks from whatever increasing its abilities/boost/boni, so being a different pool of SP.

If you dont fly it, it doesnt learn anything but well if you loose it, SP of that particular ship are gone.

But that just put together from hearsay....

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Best post so far. I think you're the closest to the truth out of anyone.

To expand on your thoughts, it seems that the Sleepers are some sort of sentient drones or maybe even infected Jove. Therefore the ships have a mind of their own and it also ties into the new AI and the fact they are meant to be tough.

Obviously if you take parts from these ships to assemble your own, you're taking characteristics of each part. In other words, you are no longer just a pilot in a hunk of metal, but a pilot in a ship that is "alive" and works together with you, not for you.

As you fly it the ship learns. Not only from it's own experience fighting but from you as well. You develop a sort of bond. It's stats increase and a parallel sort of SP increases. It might even reach into your own SP to boost it's attributes. Therefore when it dies, you don't lose a hunk of metal but a sentient ship. You are still there but the ships experience and everything it has learned dies with it. The trauma of the loss can also affect your own SP, hence the loss of it. We really do need details on whether it's a parallel SP, same SP or a combination of both. I'm not going to panic like almost everyone else about it but I can certainly see why people are complaining already and why it's such a ****storm. That's completely understandable. We just need more (much more) details before we can make a proper judgment and test it out on SiSi.

Now this also brings up an interesting thing about salvaging. If you salvage a T3 ship, is it possible to bring over some experience to the next ship that uses that T3 component? How do you determine the value of the T3 component? Do you see what attributes and bonuses it will have before you use it or do you only know that there is a bonus but have no idea what it is before it's used to make the next ship? Are the bonuses standard amongst the same components or are even the components sentient and carry their own individuality?

The possibilities with T3 in this way are endless and it's actually mind boggling how much potential this has if executed correctly. I'm more excited than ever about this.

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Originally by: Cailais

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I think what we'll see is something whereby T3 ships have their own skill paths.

Personally I think it's a brilliant concept - and Im stunned by the comments so far. I guess we can bin all the 'eve's a cold harsh universe' claims now huh? I really hope CCP keeps this concept and dont bow to the weak kneed whiners here.

C.

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Originally by: Grath Telkin

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In case you missed the clarification today:

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Hah! Clarified!

You lose one of your rank one subsystem skills when you lose a T3 ship.

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Originally by: Pottsey

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Nyphur said "If it's a maximum of 5 days that's alright I suppose. I was kind of hoping the ship itself would be the one with the skill, not the player. I'll wait for the devblog for more details."
The only thing that worries me is some of the older pilots have nothing left to train. I was hoping T3 would give us goals and training perhaps as much as 6months worth of training. But if the skills are mostly rank 1 we are talking under 1 month of training.

What I don't like is those who have invested more into the skills lose more. It might be worth keeping your skills at lvl 4 just so you don't lose that lvl 5. I dont see why someone with a lvl 5 skill should lose 5 days of skills while someone with a lvl 4 skill would lose much less. The better you are the more you lose. Surely the better the pilot is the less he would lose.

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