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Damion Rayne
Lorentz Technology Group
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:33:00 -
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Daneel Trevize wrote:Edit: never mind all the below, I missed a key point about this Summer update, the release of these minor changes will be for Winter?!
- When are ASBs getting looked at? Dual XL all the things, armour aren't even 1/3 as capable for a meta0 module. Your latest new things are the least balanced yet.
- When Are Tier3s being checked? You think you got them right first time, with that speed & agility (best meta-tank)?
- When will ECM be something that you aren't embarrassed to put on an AT prize ship?
- How about a Cynabals and Macharials nerf just like the Dramiel got? At least fitting tweaks, force a choice.
- The other end of the spectrum, the Exequror needs the same slot swap as the T2 version got 6months ago now.
- Tengus, Drakes (you had a detailed change in the works last year), Canes. You know the usage numbers.
- Info links?
- Armour rigs & plates speed penalty (again you almost had a change for these)
- Cloaky Legion?
- We know the list of existing high priority things goes on and on...
You call this balance? This is the lowest hanging fruit, the easiest set of changes to please the most existing and new players? The most key elements to vastly improving this game?
I like how you think you know this game inside and out, you know what the dev's are doing, and how you think your little list is so damn perfect, right, and needs done NOW. Get over yourself, you're not anywhere near as important as you think you are.
Teamwork..
Maturity..
Tactics..
www.tacticalgamer.com |
Sovai Elaaren
KABS Deep Recon Unit
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:34:00 -
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Aemonchichi wrote:PLEASE CCP :
answer me this - what do you mean by -
Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up.
please explain WHAT protection you mean when you talk of this ? remote rep ? a low ehp ship? ever heard of alpha ? pretty please dear developer that is reading this explain what this protection could be in your eyes ? we need to understand what u think if you want us to give you feedback
Looks like we're still going to get players who must have the highest yield regardless of how safe they are or how their fleets are composed. That's good news for Goonswarm.  |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off
Imperial Ascension
419
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:34:00 -
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"Protection" cannot protect you from an alpha gank. |
Atomic Option
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:35:00 -
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Awesome! Love all of it! Can't Wait! |
darmwand
Repo.
49
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:35:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:"Protection" cannot protect you from an alpha gank.
Paying attention can.
darmwand
Repossession Agent
http://www.repo-corp.net/
Recruitment is OPEN |
Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
14
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:37:00 -
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These are all fantastic changes. Really looking forward to them!
Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home.
-Cold Wind |
Aemonchichi
Limited Access
Guardian Society
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:39:00 -
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well then ccp should clarify this
the hulk is designed to never come in a combat situation because its designed not to survie it - like that
not some vague "Protection" gibberish
how are we supposed to give feedback if ccp doesnt clarify what they are thinking when they talk like this |
Liam Mirren
551
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:41:00 -
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Proof CCP is full of carebears who want to empower non-effort lazy gameplay, mining barges with jetcan like cargo room?
Hello Kitty online, here we go.
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Chris Wheeler
Massively Motivated
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:41:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:This is an absolute outrage.
I just changed my desktop background to a picture of young ladies holding guns in their underpants,
and now you release a pic of this big exciting chunky yellow spaceship,
and the poor young ladies are sent back to C:/Users/Benny/My Pictures for a month while the spaceship sits on desktop.
I wish you'd consider the young ladies in their underpants before you did things like this. use photoshop or paint or something to resise the young ladies, their underwear and their guns into a decal and put it on the spaceship. There you will have fixed both your needs.
Or photoshop the frigs in place of the guns. Then everyone can ask "what are they mining?" |
ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:42:00 -
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Severian Carnifex
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:43:00 -
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If I am not wrong, there is one mining Cruiser for each race.
If you are making mining Frigates non-mining,
will you do the same with mining Cruisers?????
And, will we get mining ORE Cruiser too?????  |
Grog Drinker
The Tuskers
49
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:43:00 -
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Aemonchichi wrote:well then ccp should clarify this
the hulk is designed to never come in a combat situation because its designed not to survie it - like that
not some vague "Protection" gibberish
how are we supposed to give feedback if ccp doesnt clarify what they are thinking when they talk like this
No one hunts hulks in null with alpha squads. A logi or ECM boat will be able to provide plenty of protection to get a small mining fleet out. |
Thebriwan
LUX Uls Xystus
96
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:44:00 -
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THAT I call a good dev blog!
Well done in the mining department.
The first time I wish it to be xmas already ^^ |
Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:45:00 -
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This looks promising. Please keep us updated.
For the frigates the concepts look fine. Please give the bantam a new model as the current one is rather hauler-y. You might also want to add a logistic frigate later on to get those small remote reppers some use.
More destroyers are certainly welcome. For the cormorant I'd say the ship is fine but the chances to snipe are too difficult to arrange reliably. I'd also consider making a dedicated destroyer with a bonus to planetary bombardment rather than slapping it on existing ones. I'd see that the hull is too small to house enough systems for that many purposes and it's a chance to make another awesome hull line.
Miners were in destperate need of love. I don't think anyone would disagree with that. With the proposed changes there is now a real choice to be made between ships, which is a welcome change to the current covetor/hulk situation. And the new frigate looks just awesome. The art people really know their stuff.
Oh and the mining frigate picture has a typo in it. Topp on the top view.
The previous post was rated "C" for capsuleer. |
Kari Trace
Advanced Tactics and Manufacturing
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:45:00 -
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Good dev blog. This is the kind of stuff I Iike hearing about!
Side note: Frigate image: "TOPP" should be "TOP" :)
AVTM
Comms / PvP Officer
Kari Trace |
Drew Solaert
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
186
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:45:00 -
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CCP. I love you. That is all.
I lied :o
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Lelob
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:46:00 -
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Inquisitor, Breacher, Kestrel, Tristan: missile based ships
Please do not do this. The tristan does not function as a missile boat, nor should it be forced into this role. It functions as a BLASTER BOAT and it does so damn well, with a lot of dps and a respectable tank. Nerfing it by making it use missiles would just be a a depressing. It does not make sense from an RP perspective, and it certainly does not make sense from any other perspective, except for CCP to say "hurr look all the races are the same now." Please, if you must change the tristan, give it more hybrid slots like you did with the merlin. Do not make it garbage with rockets. |
None ofthe Above
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:46:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium, I've decided you need to be turned into a verb. Its the only way to describe the effect your missives have on me.
Ytterb
GÇé GÇé[ee-terb]
verb (used with object)
1.
to interrupt the quiet, rest, peace, or order of; unsettle. Resulting in mixed emotions: Rage, fear, grudging respect, and perhaps a little awe.
2.
to interfere with or interrupt the status quo; challenge preconceived notions; requiring thought and discussion to interpret
You ytterb me, sir.
Had to pick up my jaw from the floor a couple of times.
On specific points:
Frigates, Heavy Payload Delivery - Interesting. I think the specifics will have to be looked at. Several of the frigates might as well be new ships as they'll be changed so much (bantam comes to mind). Hard to say yet whether there will be any holes or unbalances left, but I think it will be very interesting to find out. Most of the Frigs will need bonus and slot increases to catch up to the Rifter class Tier for their role. I find myself looking forward to it.
Will Frigs also have the Level 1 to fly and level 4 to proceed to next hull size? Makes sense from a Tiercide standpoint.
FYI - I think maybe Caldari should nudge slightly more in the drone direction. In my experience they use drones a lot and fits very well into their racial combat doctrine. Snipers without drone support are not terribly viable. Not to edge out Gallente, but just a bit more than they have now. 5m3 drone bays on the frigs would be extremely handy, larger but sub-gallente (or match in cases where they already do) as you go higher.
Barge in on me - Uh wow. I don't disagree that the barges really needed a look at but am surprised you rethought the whole concept. It took a bit to wrap my head around your new plan, but I think it will work well. Retriever/Mackinaw may need some alterations to the model to not be incomprehensible with larger holds than the Covetor/Hulk. Finally, a reason to have a Procurer. The specializations for T2 for ice and gas mining will still apply? And kudos to the art Dept and yourself on the Mining Frig. Do want. Skill requirements change is huge. Covetor down from 5 to 1? Wow. I recently decided to give mining a try and really hated that train. I think that's a good change, but it'll take a bit to get used to.
Destroyer of Worlds - Gawd yes! Orbital bombardment is a bit of a surprise, but sure. I would think the larger class vessels would be more used for this, but it would make sense if the Destroyer was an entry level into orbital bombardment. Destroyer Missile Platform for Caldari!?!?!?! Do want! So needed. Drone for Gallente makes tons of sense. Coercer and Cormorant suffer for having only one mid or low slot, turns out to be pretty crippling, that would help if you fix.
Taking a look at the Aegis class of destroyer (defense) would be pretty interesting too. Granted that is probably a bit more complex than everything else you have here.
The Plan - Delaying the racial Destroyer and Battlecruiser shift till you actually get to those hulls makes sense. I am still not sure I am onboard with this idea, but am starting to think that in the scheme of things it may not suck too badly.
Tl;DR: I am ytterbed.
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Severian Carnifex
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:46:00 -
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And yea... i am hoping that Hulk will get EHP boost... because even in fleet you cant help it survive if you leave it like its now.
Like I said before, ORE ships are made of aluminum foil, and it just cant survive in space.
Even if you say its not for solo mining, you must make it so it can survive in space because now even the biggest fleet cant save if from alpha and it will pop in one volley. |
Krell Kroenen
Miners In Possession
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:47:00 -
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All looks good to me, looking forward to seeing my Breacher seeing some love. |
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JTK Fotheringham
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:48:00 -
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This looks like a jug of winsauce, ready to poured liberally on the neglected dish that is EVE mining.
I might even be tempted back to hear the droning noise again, we shall see.   |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY
Tribal Conclave
130
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:49:00 -
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YAy!!! Awesome!!! that is more than expected!!!!
CCP FTW! |
Maul555
Nuts and Vindictive
Remix Technologies
265
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:49:00 -
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I would just like to stop in and applaud the mining ship buffs and updates. This is perhaps the most significant update to industry since mining barges where introduced. I cant wait! |
Swearte Widfarend
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:49:00 -
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I'm glad to see the discussion start on the changes to the rest of the frigates, as well as the mining ships.
A couple of things:
Ship Skills
I know that ship skills provide bonuses based on the level of the skill, but I really think you should re-evaluate "all ships unlocked at level 1." Granted, with skills at such a low multiplier, the difference between 1 and 3 is only a couple hours, but I think you should consider unlocking hulls with skill level, with a cap that all hulls are unlocked by LV 4 for a Tech 1 ship. Logically, the hulls are different, and behave differently, so having a higher skill would also imply that the hull has a higher benefit in some way (which may even be true after the changes).
I really think skills are a whole can of worms - and maintaining just a little complexity here isn't a bad thing.
Frigates
Maybe I'm the only person who cares, but please ensure we still have a good selection of (inexpensive) Tech 1 frigates that can fit a cynosural field generator and 350 units of LO. in the cargo hold. Each race should have a semi-disposable frigate that can be a cheap cyno.
Mining Barges
I think there should be a tradeoff in tank and ore. Right now, all the barges are fairly thin, and easy to gank, but I like the idea that you can have a viable tank and still have a useful barge is interesting. Just don't go too far. The mining Rokh brought up earlier is an example of what's wrong with mining ships - if you have a BS-tanked ship it needs to compete (capacity and cycle time) with that. I also agree that gas mining needs to be addressed - although that brings all sorts of trickle-down issues with boosters and Tech3. Gas (like ice) is a fairly high-volume product, so perhaps an option like a T2 variant of the Retriever for gas mining (so you could invent Mackinaw or GasBoat) - that has bonuses for gas mining instead of ice?
Democracy is only as good as the despot managing the voting booth. |
Rrama Ratamnim
Phoenix Evolved Part Duo
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:51:00 -
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Holy crap thats some wicked changes for the ships in total especially the mining changes
but im confused....
are these summer inferno point things that are coming or are they winter expansion things?!?!?
winters mentioned but title says summer |
None ofthe Above
205
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:53:00 -
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Rrama Ratamnim wrote:Holy crap thats some wicked changes for the ships in total especially the mining changes
but im confused....
are these summer inferno point things that are coming or are they winter expansion things?!?!?
winters mentioned but title says summer
Its summer devblog on the work on the ship balancing for the winter update. That's how I read it, anyway.
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:53:00 -
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The only thing I don't like about this blog is the time frame for Cruiser Balance.
If it really will take so long some Powergrid / CPU Bandaids to say the Omen and others would be nice. Baby Stat adjustments to make certain ones flyable until everything is sorted.
I love the new Mining Frigate BTW. Absolutely gorgeous. This blog was the perfect thing to wake up to this morning. |
Rrama Ratamnim
Phoenix Evolved Part Duo
57
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:53:00 -
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Louis deGuerre wrote:My only concern is T1 destroyers might make T1 frigates obsolete due to sheer firepower.
the issue is destroyers are frigate killers but die to anything else easily due to there sig and crap tanks... frigates die to destroyers but can pretty much sig tank damn near everything else
Personally im interested to see if next year sees more t1 destroyer variants and t2 frigate variants |
Andrea Griffin
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:54:00 -
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Thank you for laying out a broad vision for us. It lets us know in general what to expect for the frigate line, something that the previous release didn't quite do. I'm excited, however; lots of interesting changes.
I'm still not sold on the concept of 'long range frigate' however. But that's okay I guess - everything else seems great.
CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
Project Wildfire
315
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Posted - 2012.06.14 13:55:00 -
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I'm disappointing that CCP didn't see fit to create a new gas mining ship.
It also sucks that the Hulk isn't getting an EHP boost... But who cares?! I stopped mining once i realize it was the dullest mechanic i've ever experienced in a game.
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