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Bek Thyron
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:10:00 -
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Who accidentially the whole eve?? 
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Aslan Inbarr
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Aslan Inbarr on 23/06/2010 22:21:31
 Originally by: Elessar Elian
Originally by: Aslan Inbarr
Edited by: Aslan Inbarr on 23/06/2010 22:01:19
Originally by: Cynical Attitude
Originally by: Aslan Inbarr
I have to say I'm amazed that there are people who play and understand eve that actually took the initial downtime estimate seriously.
You're amazed that Eve players assumed a basic level of competence at CCP. I doubt the point you are thus making was quite the one you intended. Yes, it's a complex task, but CCP's inability to come up with a realistic ETC is simply not good enough.
I haven't read every post in this topic, but the majority of the complaints are not, as you seem to think, about the length of time the changes are taking but the overrun. If CCP had originally given an ETC of 23:00, you would be making a valid point. They didn't. You aren't.
CCP, like any other gaming company out there, is going to put out their best (case) estimate. They are very rarely accurate. Therefore people are quite naive to believe them. That was my point. I expect a bit more wisdom, or at least cynicism, out of the Eve crowd.
As for the first part, you are right, I could have worded that a bit better.
And cynicism you will get. Their estimation was c*** and if you don't believe someone with which you have a serious relationship (they get paid right?), theres a problem. I don't care if it takes 3h or 2d, I only care about them giving completely remote ETCs to their customers.
Now that made me laugh. They get paid, that doesn't mean they are your *****. If you are unsatisfied with the service, don't pay for it anymore. Move on. If there is an equal or better product for you out there, pay for it instead. *shrugs*
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Ryel Theon
Aperture Ventures
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
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We actually did have a static page that we kept updated with delay times. We also updated our Facebook page, and I think I don't want to see Twitter again for a few days :)
Except the hour or two the server serving the static page was down and all we got for updates was "connection refused" :)
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Hauler Darby
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:19:00 -
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Two things:
1. These 'downtime threads' are one of my favorite parts of the Eve experience. Everything from conspiracy theories to recipes. Keep up the good work, people. 
2. For CCP, I always thought that it was best to say "Maybe we can have it running by tomorrow." Have it up in half an hour, and be thought a hero, than say "We'll have it up in half an hour." Not get it up til the next day, and look like a goat. I guess it's a management strategy thing, though.
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WhyteWulf
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Bek Thyron
Who accidentially the whole eve??
Blizzard did....lets go spam their forums.
On another note....forum blip or was it just me that got that?
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Datdaar Vanmestvaalt
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Aeri
Wow...
Calm down people. They are doing everything they can to get EVE back up and running. ...
Probably. I expect nothing less. Originally by: Lady Aeri
Go out, do something. Go to the beach, go to a friends, ...
Eh, in the middle of the night? It's dark outside, I am afraid of the dark, bad things can happen.... Originally by: Lady Aeri
do something other that sit here and complain that it's not up yet. ...
I am not complaining, I am quite enjoying myself reading this lovely little thread..... |
LordSwift
Caldari
Amigo Innovations
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Bek Thyron
Who accidentially the whole eve??
Yeah was it my end or did something cause the Bubble stabiliser to go nuts. hahahaha
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SomebodyKickedMyDog
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Raknav
Holy hell cant CCP keep a deadline....Why publish deadlines and such if you cant keep them.
they don't have any competition. they can do whatever they want lol.
i always think it's a good idea to announce a longer outage window than you expect it to be. that way you have yourself covered if things go seriously wrong, and if things go smoothly and you bring it back up before expected, people applaud you.
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Lederstrumpf
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Greygal
I can't upgrade my computer without something going wrong
Maybe that might qualify you for a well paid job at CCP?
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creativesparks
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:21:00 -
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sum of you guys must of missed the dev blog post detailing exactly what the upgrade involves...
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=769
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Rick Rothsar
Ghosts of Ragnarok
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:22:00 -
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1) People don't say 'set a long skill' because it sounds trendy. HTFU
2) u mad~~
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Nathan'Scope' McAllen
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:22:00 -
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Definetly a forum blip, blimp, whatever.
Lets do the 'what are you doing right now' game while we wait!
/me Playing random bass while listening to everadio, and watching this thread.
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Konoch
Caldari
Northstar Cabal
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: SomebodyKickedMyDog
Originally by: Raknav
Holy hell cant CCP keep a deadline....Why publish deadlines and such if you cant keep them.
they don't have any competition. they can do whatever they want lol.
i always think it's a good idea to announce a longer outage window than you expect it to be. that way you have yourself covered if things go seriously wrong, and if things go smoothly and you bring it back up before expected, people applaud you.
The rule in things like this is to try to do this in the quickest way possible. But when doing large things like this things go wrong. I do think CCP needs to compensate players for what happened today on the fact that this was supposed to be an 8 hour deal and now its going far closer to 18. I hope everything does end up alright but sometimes crap happens. Hopefully everything is now on the new schedule and we can get back to buisness when its over.
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rpriebe1979
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Leando
Hey CCp.......Tell that computer nerd , geeky **** thats doing ur install......the bloody thing needs to be turned on for it to work....
And to all you IT nerds that think its hard work ........well.......try dis arming land mines for a living ..,.....bunch of nubs
lulz
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Dr DustRemover
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:23:00 -
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Dear CCP,
Please delay the return of the server to sometime tomorrow. The tears provide me with much amusement.
Thanks.
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Janos Saal
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Leando
And to all you IT nerds that think its hard work ........well.......try dis arming land mines for a living ..,.....bunch of nubs
I hope your hands get blown off so I never have to read another one of your posts.
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Eternity 77RUS
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:24:00 -
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Ordinary fail.
Returned back home after a midnight and found EVE still laying down, although it was 8 hours after planned on-time. Can anybody explain me - why was I not surprised? :)
F... CCP
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Balsak
Minmatar
Friends of Bigfoot
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:25:00 -
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CCP should reimburse all the whiners for their lost game time. Mail out those cheques for 50 cents but don't forget the suitable shipping costs, 5 dollars should suffice I would think.
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente
No End To Infinity
Fleetingly Finite
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:25:00 -
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As a member of a technical change advisory board it just seems like a few key things were missed in the planning stages of this endeavor.
The reality is we are into an unscheduled downtime situation and if my organisation pulled that kind of stunt we'd be "fined" by our clients and suffer reputationally as well. The clients would not be asking us why we didn't come back at 2130 as per the last estimate, they would be asking why we were not up at 1500, what was being done to resolve the problem and what backup was in place to get us on in the mean time. Having a few problems with some pieces of kit doesn't translate as "dodgy kit from a supplier" it translates as "didn't have contingency in place"
As it stands, the EULA protects CCP financially so they know they can just take as long as they want, so it costs them nothing to give the best estimate time and then just extend the window until it's done.
Treat us users like we are your best client and the company next door offers a cheaper identical product.
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Sator Nyatt
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:25:00 -
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Its not CCP's fault its taken so long, the project will take what the project will take. Unfortunately, IT Project Managers go to the same school as Civil Service Project Managers - they never estimate the time right, and i think whoever teaches them how to use MS Project keeps making them look at the optimistic timeline.
Its just a fact of life. IT Project Managers have no idea how long things really take! Send them out to some construction sites - they're not quicker, they just learn how to set more realistic milestones.
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jona1
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:25:00 -
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"Update #4: Singularity has been returned to service and is now accepting connections."
Ummm no its not please update thread
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redtube lover
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:27:00 -
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C'mon Hurry Up! My Right hand is red raw iv been on redtube ALL DAY!, plzzzz i neeeed EVE...!
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Corbon Hydrashock
Raata Invicti
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dasola
Originally by: Raknav
Holy hell cant CCP keep a deadline....Why publish deadlines and such if you cant keep them.
Here is what I recommend set your dead line long enough to allow for issues (for ex you could have said it would come back at 23:00 in the first place to allow for issues even tho you expected it to come up at 15:00) and if the server comes back sooner then the posed deadline people will be happy instead of complying and ranting. Seriously it's not that hard of a thing to do.
+1 for this. Dont give us super optimistic deadlines, since we all know you fail at them anyways. In fact some one might make solid claim is misleading consumer advertisement on this.  Better to reserve enough time in advance and of all goes well come back online early then this rulette of 4-5*exteded downtime.
since we all know you fail at them anyways
lol - yeah, but I am against all the CCP-griefers complaining right now.
I didn't know about the server switch until an alliance member wrote in Alliance chat to make sure we set a very long skill to train for it - he nailed it on the head, but - to be honest - if I had been paying attention and read the news of what they are trying to do (right now), I, too, would have automatically guessed the server would never be up in the amount of time stated.
If any of you did believe it, well, welcome to eve, I'm sure your first week had you learning a lot of stuff! And now you just learned a little more. Still, we appreciate CCP (most times), and we play on.
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Frenzerelly
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: Greygal
I can't upgrade my computer without something going wrong
Maybe that might qualify you for a well paid job at CCP?
AMEN!!!
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gigitrix
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Schocko
I haven't read the Eve forums much until today. I wish I hadn't started, because up until now I had thought that the general maturity level of Eve players was more than that of World of Warcraft players.
Disappointed.
This ^.
And yes I do have legit concerns, having since I'm currently just going to sleep. But no. There's youtube. And TV. And even RL for those of you with Social V... (shoulda trained dammit)
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Aslan Inbarr
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan'Scope' McAllen
Definetly a forum blip, blimp, whatever.
Lets do the 'what are you doing right now' game while we wait!
/me Playing random bass while listening to everadio, and watching this thread.
/me gleefully reading through this thread, amused by the raw anger some have over a game being down for a few hours longer than expected and wanting a refund that might at top end amount to $1.
I now think that there might be more than one of these kids out there now...
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:28:00 -
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""Update #4: Singularity has been returned to service and is now accepting connections."
Ummm no its not please update threadRolling Eyes"
singularity is up and running. maybe you're thinking of tranquility?
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cluster 1
Gallente
GTE Limited
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: jona1
"Update #4: Singularity has been returned to service and is now accepting connections."
Ummm no its not please update thread
FALLOUT!!!!!!! I am gonna come and get you for this nonsense, and by come i mean imagine, and by get i mean tickle.
love and kisses
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Dr DustRemover
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Janos Saal
Originally by: Leando
And to all you IT nerds that think its hard work ........well.......try dis arming land mines for a living ..,.....bunch of nubs
I hope your hands get blown off so I never have to read another one of your posts.
I concur.
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Basta Kindred
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Posted - 2010.06.23 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: jona1
"Update #4: Singularity has been returned to service and is now accepting connections."
Ummm no its not please update thread
Ummm yes it is please ignore ^^that^^ and learn to read.
Singularity =/ Tranquility
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