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Deerin
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.09.07 13:28:00 -
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I see so many new uses for breacher it is not even funny....not all of them are shield tanked even.
Also: The ancillary Shield booster gets overpowered when it is a XL one. The med ones are meh and small ones suck. A small calculation for you:
Considering 2x em 1x Therm rigs and Overheating. Non bonused ship.
ASB case 10 cap booster 50's => 25.5 seconds Considering 2 devoted tank slots => 1 SBA 1 MASB Obtained EFT tank 157 Obtained extra EHP before reload = 25.5*157= 4003.5
t2 medium shield Booster Case 2 tank slots = 1 MSB 1 capbooster Obtained EFT tank 73 Time required to reach ASB EHP= 4003.5/73 = 54 sec So any frig fight that gets longer than 54 sec favors the t2 medium shield booster.
t2 medium shield extender case 2 tank slots = 1 Medium Shield Extender 1 Invul Obtained Extra EHP (1 em 2 extender rigs invul OH) 4452
As you can see it is not THAT good. When you do the same calculations for XLASB though you'll notice that it is MUCH MUCH MORE effective. Hence your disappointment with XLASB cyclone and Maels.
TL;DR Ancillaries on frig size vessels are overrated. Breachers are going to rock neverthless. |
Neville Smit
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
13
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Posted - 2012.09.11 13:18:00 -
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Neville approves.
I especially like the new Tristan drone boat. Who needs missiles, anyway? |
Klarr Vaine
Funkwagen Broadcasting
3
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Posted - 2012.09.11 13:28:00 -
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I'm sure I'm echoing here, but switch the Inquisitor with the Tormentor to keep things in sync with the whole T1 Frig to Stealth Bomber progression? ATM the changes are nice, but this particular point bothers me. It would be awesome to see an Inquisitor with the same slot layout + drone bay as the current Tormentor, but with missile/rocket goodness. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
419
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Posted - 2012.09.11 14:33:00 -
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Strange that the new drone frigate has turret bonuses instead of drone damage bonuses but whatever, i won't be flying any of these. They see me trolling, they hating... |
LawlSTi
The Imperial Fedaykin
5
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:25:00 -
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Would you like to know more? |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:28:00 -
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I'm confused about the Kestrel bonuses changes. The Kestrel already has a 5 percent damage bonus to all missile types. It looks like the only changes to the bonuses is they're replacing the 10 percent kinetic damage bonus with a 10 percent velocity bonus... wait you're reducing damage and adding range to a weapon that already has extreme range for a frigate... Unless you make the bonus apply to rockets it's worthless IMO... Hint hint CCP. A rocket bonus would make it a really sweet PVP ship.
I do like some of the changes to shield HP etc though. |
hercules fitch
Don't Regret Until Next Keg
3
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:35:00 -
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I can see it now... a swarm of tristans camping a gate, each with a garde II out. Quick lock and blap
If it doesn't sound like a good idea, you need moar booze! |
Recoil IV
Knights of the Posing Meat
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:38:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Like I said, some plans have changed in the past few months. The Navitas will be in the last set of frigates we reveal, but it's no longer planned as a drone damage frigate.
I'm looking forward to that last reveal most of all. Running the latest design past the CSM now, will get it to you asap.
is the kestrel bonus apply to rockets aswell? |
Marcus Gideon
Federal Defense Operations Gentlemen's Interstellar Nightclub
29
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:43:00 -
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19 pages?
TLDR
Why is the Incursus, which grows up to be a droning Ishkur, considered a gunboat...
While the Tristan, which grows up to be a bomber, using drones now?
This does not make sense... |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2012.09.11 18:40:00 -
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So if I get this right, there is not going to be a single missile platform among the Tech I Ammar ships anymore.
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Lili Lu
418
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:03:00 -
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Marcus Gideon wrote:19 pages?
TLDR
Why is the Incursus, which grows up to be a droning Ishkur, considered a gunboat...
While the Tristan, which grows up to be a bomber, using drones now?
This does not make sense... No problem. Have some imagination. The engineers just gutted the inards of the drone bay and support infrastructure and constructed missile and warhead storage and support infrastructure in its place, and vice versa, or whatever. nbd. The new nemesis is not the same hull as the tristan anyway (at least atm). PLEASE IMMEDIATELY FIX THE POOR AGILITY ON THE NEMESIS BTW
As for tristans plopping one sentry and camping, i doubt it would be seen much. It is a lot more training to field a sentry than light drones. And if one is going to sentry camp a gate just do it with vexors. 3 sentries > 1 sentry. As long as you have some dedicated tackle on the gate the scan res advantage of the tristans means nothing. |
Seminole Sun
Galactic Industrial Explorers
0
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:09:00 -
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Is there a reason to NOT have the Tristan be missiles and drones?
I too am bothered by the fact that the very first gallente "missile" boat is essentially the stealth bomber... That state of affairs argues in FAVOR of the Tristan having launchers... not against...
If you REALLY want to think outside the box, give the Tristan two launchers and a bonus like covert ops gets but that reduces the fitting cost for missile launchers such that the Tristan could fit a single heavy missile launcher or two light/rockets
As it is right now, what gallente ship will EVER use lights or rockets?? |
Iam Widdershins
Sebiestor Tribe
720
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Posted - 2012.09.11 22:45:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Tristan: Frigate skill bonuses: 7.5% Bonus to Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level 10% Bonus to Drone tracking speed and hitpoints per level ... Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 (+20) / 40 (+35) I am concerned that the Tristan now almost entirely outmodes the Ishkur in applied drone DPS. Am I wrong to think this? Is there any possible reason why I should not be concerned? Lobbying for your right to delete your signature |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
548
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Posted - 2012.09.11 22:50:00 -
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Seminole Sun wrote: As it is right now, what gallente ship will EVER use lights or rockets??
around the same time you see a drone ship for caldari. Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
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Posted - 2012.09.11 22:53:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Seminole Sun wrote: As it is right now, what gallente ship will EVER use lights or rockets??
around the same time you see a drone ship for caldari. The Worm!!!! Caldari drone ship + Gallente rocket ship |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
548
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Posted - 2012.09.11 23:02:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Seminole Sun wrote: As it is right now, what gallente ship will EVER use lights or rockets??
around the same time you see a drone ship for caldari. The Worm!!!! Caldari drone ship + Gallente rocket ship
pirate faction does not count...
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.09.12 00:46:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote: pirate faction does not count...
Or it also count as a gallente missile boat ; but I prefer to not count it. |
Kintaana
Ghosts of Ragnarok Tribal Band
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Posted - 2012.09.12 00:56:00 -
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So the kestrel gets a range bonus yet is slower and less agile than the Breacher, which also gets a range bonus + a tank bonus + higher mobility? How does that make sense? Light missiles with 40km range isn't going to give it more survivability or any sort of advantage over short range frigates that can easily overcome it and out-tank it.
Once again this would make minmatar unbalanced while shoehorning caldari into a non-pvp role. It would be more balanced if the Breacher was slower due to the beefy tank or if the Kestrel had 3 low slots and the Breacher had 2, allowing the Kestrel to fit a nano to compensate for it's lack of mobility and be in harmony with it's bonuses. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2416
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Posted - 2012.09.12 01:52:00 -
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Kintaana wrote:So the kestrel gets a range bonus yet is slower and less agile than the Breacher, which also gets a range bonus + a tank bonus + higher mobility? How does that make sense? Light missiles with 40km range isn't going to give it more survivability or any sort of advantage over short range frigates that can easily overcome it and out-tank it.
Once again this would make minmatar unbalanced while shoehorning caldari into a non-pvp role. It would be more balanced if the Breacher was slower due to the beefy tank or if the Kestrel had 3 low slots and the Breacher had 2, allowing the Kestrel to fit a nano to compensate for it's lack of mobility and be in harmony with it's bonuses. I believe the Kestrel will have considerably more than a 40km range when all is said and done.
To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Dr Sheng-Ji Yang
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
6
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Posted - 2012.09.12 06:32:00 -
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Quote:So the kestrel gets a range bonus yet is slower and less agile than the Breacher, which also gets a range bonus + a tank bonus + higher mobility? How does that make sense? Light missiles with 40km range isn't going to give it more survivability or any sort of advantage over short range frigates that can easily overcome it and out-tank it.
Once again this would make minmatar unbalanced while shoehorning caldari into a non-pvp role. It would be more balanced if the Breacher was slower due to the beefy tank or if the Kestrel had 3 low slots and the Breacher had 2, allowing the Kestrel to fit a nano to compensate for it's lack of mobility and be in harmony with it's bonuses.
You are completely right. But don-¦t forget: Who gets a completely new stabber and vagabond model? Who got a stealth uber buff with asb? Who has the best Tech1 destroyer, cruiser, battlecruiser and with asb now also battleship in the game? Who had the monopol on the best tech1 frig in the game for years (Rifter)? Who has the most overpowered pirate frigs like dram? Winmatar. It is always the same. Probably minnies were winning about the fact that they hadnt the only one T1 frig in the game, CCP feared about our spoiled minnie players and now they get this breacher stuff. I had to laugh in the last dev blog that not only the other cruisers but also rupture should get a buff. ROFL. The best Tech1 cruiser in game gets a buff. Wow.
Well you are completely right: Kestrel looks like a complete loser against the Breacher. Let us not talk about the Tormentor... That is a total epic fail. But look only at the dram: CCP wants it so. Minnies always had the best ships (lets not talk about their weapons) and it will be so forever until the whole universe is flying minnie ship only. If I were you I would start training for minmatar frigate. CCP WANTS this frigate to be overpowered. So: working as intended |
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Deerin
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
14
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Posted - 2012.09.12 06:50:00 -
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Kintaana wrote:So the kestrel gets a range bonus yet is slower and less agile than the Breacher, which also gets a range bonus + a tank bonus + higher mobility? How does that make sense? Light missiles with 40km range isn't going to give it more survivability or any sort of advantage over short range frigates that can easily overcome it and out-tank it.
Once again this would make minmatar unbalanced while shoehorning caldari into a non-pvp role. It would be more balanced if the Breacher was slower due to the beefy tank or if the Kestrel had 3 low slots and the Breacher had 2, allowing the Kestrel to fit a nano to compensate for it's lack of mobility and be in harmony with it's bonuses.
I miss the part where breacher gets a range bonus and you miss the part where kestrel gets 4 launcher slots. It is not as unbalanced as you make it out to be.
I think I'll be using both ships. The range bonus on kestrel allows some niche setups that will be very useful in FW. |
Mike Flynn
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.09.12 16:34:00 -
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Ummmm.... The t1 frigs progress to t1 cruisers. Not stealth bombers. Jus sayin |
Koujjo Dian
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
18
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Posted - 2012.09.12 19:27:00 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:So if I get this right, there is not going to be a single missile platform among the Tech I Ammar ships anymore?
That's what it looks like. All other races got 2 attack frigates with different weapon systems. Amarr got TWO frikken laser frigates. Although I enjoy the tormentor (mostly because the punisher sux solo with only 2 mids) it would have been nice to have a T1 missile frig or drone boat to branch off of. |
Nagarythe Tinurandir
Random Rule Conform Corpname A Point In Space
48
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Posted - 2012.09.12 19:34:00 -
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Dr Sheng-Ji Yang wrote:Quote:So the kestrel gets a range bonus yet is slower and less agile than the Breacher, which also gets a range bonus + a tank bonus + higher mobility? How does that make sense? Light missiles with 40km range isn't going to give it more survivability or any sort of advantage over short range frigates that can easily overcome it and out-tank it.
Once again this would make minmatar unbalanced while shoehorning caldari into a non-pvp role. It would be more balanced if the Breacher was slower due to the beefy tank or if the Kestrel had 3 low slots and the Breacher had 2, allowing the Kestrel to fit a nano to compensate for it's lack of mobility and be in harmony with it's bonuses. You are completely right. But don-¦t forget: Who gets a completely new stabber and vagabond model? Who got a stealth uber buff with asb? Who has the best Tech1 destroyer, cruiser, battlecruiser and with asb now also battleship in the game? Who had the monopol on the best tech1 frig in the game for years (Rifter)? Who has the most overpowered pirate frigs like dram? Winmatar. It is always the same. Probably minnies were winning about the fact that they hadnt the only one T1 frig in the game, CCP feared about our spoiled minnie players and now they get this breacher stuff. I had to laugh in the last dev blog that not only the other cruisers but also rupture should get a buff. ROFL. The best Tech1 cruiser in game gets a buff. Wow. Well you are completely right: Kestrel looks like a complete loser against the Breacher. Let us not talk about the Tormentor... That is a total epic fail. But look only at the dram: CCP wants it so. Minnies always had the best ships (lets not talk about their weapons) and it will be so forever until the whole universe is flying minnie ship only. If I were you I would start training for minmatar frigate. CCP WANTS this frigate to be overpowered. So: working as intended
please whine more. cause you haven't enough already...
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Aaron Greil
Royal Imperial Navy Reserves
22
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Posted - 2012.09.13 22:33:00 -
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I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but will the ishkur hull be moved from the incursus to the tristan? It would be pretty sweet to have a tristan hull as an AF. |
Ares Desideratus
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.09.14 00:10:00 -
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So when someone uses a Tristan and they want to upgrade to the next drone boat, instead of going to the T2 variation of the ship they already use, they have to search up a new hull based off an Incursus and train for the Ishkur? Either the Incursus should be the T1 drone boat, or the Tech 2 version of the Tristan should be a drone combat ship. The Tristan as a drone boat doesn't make any sense at all really, cause now the Nemesis is kind of left in the cold, disrespected, and the T2 frigate drone boat is a completely different hull from the T1, CCP you must order some more common sense and dumb it into this game |
Martin0
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.14 06:43:00 -
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Ares Desideratus wrote:So when someone uses a Tristan and they want to upgrade to the next drone boat, instead of going to the T2 variation of the ship they already use, they have to search up a new hull based off an Incursus and train for the Ishkur? Either the Incursus should be the T1 drone boat, or the Tech 2 version of the Tristan should be a drone combat ship. The Tristan as a drone boat doesn't make any sense at all really, cause now the Nemesis is kind of left in the cold, disrespected, and the T2 frigate drone boat is a completely different hull from the T1, CCP you must order some more common sense and dumb it into this game
Dude you are really so pissed because the ishkur have the incursus hull? Be happy that we will have a t1 Droneboat Frig. We will have also a Drone destroyer SoonTM, i think new players after the tristan will upgrade to said destroyer not to a 30million isk ship. |
Dr Sheng-Ji Yang
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
6
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Posted - 2012.09.14 14:49:00 -
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Well. CCPs argument for shooting away dmg bonus for kinetic on the Kestrel: It can choose dmg types then and does all dmg types same good. Super. With this argumentation: Minmatar can also use all damage types with the same effiency. Shouldn-¦t CCP then decrease dmg on Minmatar ships? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Belsina
STAHLSTURM Test Friends Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.09.15 17:12:00 -
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NO NO and again NO
i will NOT support that dicision
i am willing to support the idea where the --> Kestrel, Iquisitor, Breacher and my favorite hull-design the Tristan <--
are rocket-/light missile platforms
obviously because they are the tech 1 variations of the Covertt-Ops-Bombers
and as simple as that: DO NOT MAKE THEM INTO SOME OTHER STRANGE STUFF |
Lady Gwendolyn Antollare
Federal Logistics Initiative Conglomerate
4
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Posted - 2012.09.15 21:42:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Why aren't we making a Gallente tech one missile frigate?: Some of you have expressed concerns about our change of plans that will leave Gallente and Amarr without tech one missile frigates. It's true that both races have missile ships later in their tech two lines (Bombers, Khanid, Roden (kinda)) but they do not have any other tech one missile ships. We decided that the benefits of providing a missile frigate when the race does not use missiles at the tech one level was minor at best. Tech two and faction ships often require significantly more training to be effectively used, and each individual size of missiles are actually quite fast to train into. Getting new Gallente players to train rocket and light missile skills would mean that only the missile support skills would be of any use until they cross trained to another race. Giving a real droneboat option at the T1 frigate level and creating new gameplay with the Navitas were both higher priorities. To a large extent bombers are a special snowflake when it comes to training, we have no plans to change the weapon systems that bombers use.
The Celestis cruiser has 2 missle launcher hardpoints. Nerfing Hisec has never fixed Losec or Nullsec |
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