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Deerin
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
26
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:07:00 -
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Milton Middleson wrote:Also, if you can't kill a rifter with a slicer, you should probably stop flying frigates.
This.
I've been trying to find a 'role' for the rifter post patch.....but everytime I find myself back looking at the slasher. The 'roles' in minmatar frig line are blurred atm.
Brawl (Puni, Merlin, Incursus, Rifter) : Traits: Damage bonus + tanking bonus (except rifter) Attack (Exec, Condor, Atron, Slasher) : Traits: Damage bonus + some other bonus (Lol Exec) Combat (Tormentor, Kestrel,Tristan, Breacher): Traits: drones/missiles + some other bonus (why does breacher have tanking bonus? wasn't it a trait of brawl frigs)
Make rifter 3 4 3 with rof and tanking bonus (like incursus) (...and say goodbye to firetail) Make breacher 4 3 3 with rocket rof and missile explosion radius
This might make the 'roles' more clear.....I don't know if we really want these lines so clear cut though.
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Nagarythe Tinurandir
Random Rule Conform Corpname A Point In Space
53
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:23:00 -
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Deerin wrote:Milton Middleson wrote:Also, if you can't kill a rifter with a slicer, you should probably stop flying frigates. This. I've been trying to find a 'role' for the rifter post patch.....but everytime I find myself back looking at the slasher. The 'roles' in minmatar frig line are blurred atm. Brawl (Puni, Merlin, Incursus, Rifter) : Traits: Damage bonus + tanking bonus (except rifter) Attack (Exec, Condor, Atron, Slasher) : Traits: Damage bonus + some other bonus (Lol Exec) Combat (Tormentor, Kestrel,Tristan, Breacher): Traits: drones/missiles + some other bonus (why does breacher have tanking bonus? wasn't it a trait of brawl frigs) Make rifter 3 4 3 with rof and tanking bonus (like incursus) (...and say goodbye to firetail) Make breacher 4 3 3 with rocket rof and missile explosion radius This might make the 'roles' more clear.....I don't know if we really want these lines so clear cut though.
hm, weather rifter or breacher gets a tanking bonus isn't really important, is it? both are combat frigs, and each race seems to get a tanky one and another one, but the rifter really should be more distinct to slasher. maybe make it an arty platform (as was planned for the burst before it was changed to be a logi frig) ?
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Rakkas Kanenald
Sal's Waste Management and Pod Disposal The Mockers AO
1
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Posted - 2012.10.03 23:52:00 -
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All these T1 frigate changes have been great, I do agree that the Rifter needs some love, it just is too unfocused now not really doing any job as well as the other options available to you, and not versatile enough to keep up. Are there plans for faction frigate rebalance? As much as I love seeing the t1s become awesome, I get sad everytime I try to compare my firetail, to them |
Mirei Jun
Right to Rule Test Friends Please Ignore
42
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Posted - 2012.10.05 05:23:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:
Tristan: Frigate skill bonuses: 7.5% Bonus to Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level 10% Bonus to Drone tracking speed and hitpoints per level Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 3 M, 3 L, 2 turrets, 0 launchers (-2) Fittings: 35 PWG (-3), 130 CPU (+5) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 350(-41) / 450(+20) / 550 (+167) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 350 / 175s (-59.38s)/ 2 (+0.5) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 310 (+4) / 3.44 (-0.21) / 1106000 (+100000) / 3.56s (-0.02) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 (+20) / 40 (+35) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 40km (+12.5) / 600 (+10) / 5 Sensor strength: 9 Magnetometric Signature radius: 41 (-1) Cargo capacity: 140
Sure would love to see that tracking bonus added to the Ishkur... Might be nice to just give it 50m^3 base drone bay and replace the expanded bay bonus per level. The HP per level bonus alone is somewhat silly, as it stands now.
Damage wise this ship will actually do about the same as the current Ishkur.
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Major Killz
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
86
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Posted - 2012.10.09 19:21:00 -
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Just here to support the new Kestrel and Breacher. [SMUG]-áSORRY for party rocking! v0v
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Kaikka Carel
White syndicate Wormhole Holders
84
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Posted - 2012.10.13 12:37:00 -
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Tristan: Frigate skill bonuses: 7.5% Bonus to Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level 10% Bonus to Drone tracking speed and hitpoints per level Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 3 M, 3 L, 2 turrets, 0 launchers (-2) Fittings: 35 PWG (-3), 130 CPU (+5) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 350(-41) / 450(+20) / 550 (+167) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 350 / 175s (-59.38s)/ 2 (+0.5) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 310 (+4) / 3.44 (-0.21) / 1106000 (+100000) / 3.56s (-0.02) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 (+20) / 40 (+35) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 40km (+12.5) / 600 (+10) / 5 Sensor strength: 9 Magnetometric Signature radius: 41 (-1) Cargo capacity: 140
1. Less slots total than other ships of its class. Is going to be very stressing in this type of class.
2. Least amount of fitting resources again. Did you calculate the numbers or just gave gimped stats to gallente by an old habbit?
3. Tracking bonus for 2 turrets... Daresay its a waste just like a rep bonus on Brutix.
4. Slot layout. Given that the drones deal damage overtime I'd like to have some slots to fill the tank in. Unfortunately there are only 3 available both in mid and lows. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
120
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Posted - 2012.10.13 12:40:00 -
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lol at those that think the Punisher / Rifter aren't ****.
Punisher might not be terrible, but has 2 mids so its crap.
Rifter is just bad all around, pretty much any frig rapes it quite easily. |
Lavitakus Bromier
The Scope Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.10.13 15:05:00 -
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Can we see the tormentor rebalanced kinda like the tristin. With some minor changes.
2turrets 20 drone bandwidth 50 drone bay and a.bonus to drone speed and damage. But not to health.
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Goldensaver
Vorbild Industries Inc. State Section 9
26
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:55:00 -
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Kaikka Carel wrote:Tristan: Frigate skill bonuses: 7.5% Bonus to Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level 10% Bonus to Drone tracking speed and hitpoints per level Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 3 M, 3 L, 2 turrets, 0 launchers (-2) Fittings: 35 PWG (-3), 130 CPU (+5) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 350(-41) / 450(+20) / 550 (+167) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 350 / 175s (-59.38s)/ 2 (+0.5) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 310 (+4) / 3.44 (-0.21) / 1106000 (+100000) / 3.56s (-0.02) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 (+20) / 40 (+35) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 40km (+12.5) / 600 (+10) / 5 Sensor strength: 9 Magnetometric Signature radius: 41 (-1) Cargo capacity: 140
1. Less slots total than other ships of its class. Is going to be very stressing in this type of class.
2. Least amount of fitting resources again. Did you calculate the numbers or just gave gimped stats to gallente by an old habbit?
3. Tracking bonus for 2 turrets... Daresay its a waste just like a rep bonus on Brutix.
4. Slot layout. Given that the drones deal damage overtime I'd like to have some slots to fill the tank in. Unfortunately there are only 3 available both in mid and lows.
I can see the reason for you complaints. I don't think the Tristan's going to turn out like they expected it to. But I see your point number 2, and laugh, especially since it follows right on the heels of number 1. 2 is the way it is because of 1. With less slots overall, you don't need as much powergrid or CPU in order to fit the thing fully. Do I agree the slot layout, number of slots, etc works? I don't know. I do know these are supposed to be "long range damage support" ships, so you're not supposed to have lots of tank. |
Johnny Bloomington
Justified Chaos
22
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Posted - 2012.10.15 19:22:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:Just here to support the new Kestrel and Breacher.
Use the manicore body for the Kestrel! |
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Sang-in Tiers
Hedion University Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2012.10.15 23:12:00 -
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AAWWWWWW! Is your dear rifter not completely made out of win in comparison to the other races anymore? For some reason I cant feel any sympathy. |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
304
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Posted - 2012.10.15 23:22:00 -
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That it loses to other frigs is just a footnote to how badly it loses to the Slasher, and talking about that might make you more sympathetic to people who complain about it: Punisher/Merlin/Incursus/Rifter are supposed to win on tank+gank when compared with Executioner/Condor/Atron/Slasher. Presently none of them have a gank advantage. Presently all of them have a really substantial tank advantage - except for the Rifter. |
Davo OHno
The Sagan Clan Pax Romana Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.10.15 23:32:00 -
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Question for anyone really.
With the given launcher changes, will this have any effect on the T2 versions (Stealth Bombers)? |
Dato Koppla
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
80
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Posted - 2012.10.16 06:18:00 -
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Davo OHno wrote:Question for anyone really. I'm sure it's been asked, but wasn't going to scan 24 pages of posts.
With the given slot changes, will this have any effect on the T2 version layouts(Stealth Bombers)?
There's been some talk but nothing definite, what is most likely is t2 ships are going to be balanced on an entirely different basis rather than just across the board improvements. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
126
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Posted - 2012.10.16 09:05:00 -
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Kuehnelt wrote:That it loses to other frigs is just a footnote to how badly it loses to the Slasher, and talking about that might make you more sympathetic to people who complain about it: Punisher/Merlin/Incursus/Rifter are supposed to win on tank+gank when compared with Executioner/Condor/Atron/Slasher. Presently none of them have a gank advantage. Presently all of them have a really substantial tank advantage - except for the Rifter.
They aren't supposed to win on gank. Attack frigs are supposed to be ganky.
Merlin/incursus are fine..
Puni rifter are utter **** though. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
1905
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Posted - 2012.10.16 12:16:00 -
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Davo OHno wrote:Question for anyone really. I'm sure it's been asked, but wasn't going to scan 24 pages of posts.
With the given slot changes, will this have any effect on the T2 version layouts(Stealth Bombers)?
None of the T1 changes we do in our balance pass will necessarily apply to the T2 versions. We may carry some stuff on if it's appropriate but that will be on a case by case basis. Game Designer | Team Game of Drones https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
70
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Posted - 2012.10.16 13:44:00 -
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The tristan might be more viable like this, previously it was very difficult in the early stages of skill training to get a tristan's orbit "sweet" enough to inflict daamge proportionately. |
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2012.10.16 13:47:00 -
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well hopefully they will remove the hybrid bonus for a drone bonus on the pair of them And sort out the vexor dronebay/bandwidth 50/100 would be nice |
Valleria Darkmoon
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
29
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Posted - 2012.10.26 00:46:00 -
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Kaikka Carel wrote:Tristan: Frigate skill bonuses: 7.5% Bonus to Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level 10% Bonus to Drone tracking speed and hitpoints per level Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 3 M, 3 L, 2 turrets, 0 launchers (-2) Fittings: 35 PWG (-3), 130 CPU (+5) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 350(-41) / 450(+20) / 550 (+167) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 350 / 175s (-59.38s)/ 2 (+0.5) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 310 (+4) / 3.44 (-0.21) / 1106000 (+100000) / 3.56s (-0.02) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 (+20) / 40 (+35) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 40km (+12.5) / 600 (+10) / 5 Sensor strength: 9 Magnetometric Signature radius: 41 (-1) Cargo capacity: 140
1. Less slots total than other ships of its class. Is going to be very stressing in this type of class.
2. Least amount of fitting resources again. Did you calculate the numbers or just gave gimped stats to gallente by an old habbit?
3. Tracking bonus for 2 turrets... Daresay its a waste just like a rep bonus on Brutix.
4. Slot layout. Given that the drones deal damage overtime I'd like to have some slots to fill the tank in. Unfortunately there are only 3 available both in mid and lows.
A dev mentioned in another thread (the attack cruiser thread i believe) that drone centered ships always have one fewer slot than ships with few or no drones. This is because the damage can quickly get out of hand when they have a larger than typical drone bay AND the ability to fit the full gank of other ships.
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Aglais
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
140
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Posted - 2012.10.26 02:52:00 -
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Valleria Darkmoon wrote:
A dev mentioned in another thread (the attack cruiser thread i believe) that drone centered ships always have one fewer slot than ships with few or no drones. This is because the damage can quickly get out of hand when they have a larger than typical drone bay AND the ability to fit the full gank of other ships.
But the Tristan can't. Honestly, I think it should get a fourth low slot. It's only got two guns, and it's not very fast. As it stands it's an almost-kiter that'll be sending out drones at silly long ranges, but then probably die because something else got too close too fast because it couldn't stay away. |
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Dato Koppla
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
89
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Posted - 2012.10.26 08:00:00 -
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Drones at the frigate level are especially hard to use as enemy frigates can eliminate drones in the blink of an eye forcing you to choose between microing them in and out of your drone bay (which will probably lead to them just shooting you while the majority of your dps is wasted) or let the enemy shoot them and lose most of your dps. |
Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
125
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Posted - 2012.10.26 10:23:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Drones at the frigate level are especially hard to use as enemy frigates can eliminate drones in the blink of an eye forcing you to choose between microing them in and out of your drone bay (which will probably lead to them just shooting you while the majority of your dps is wasted) or let the enemy shoot them and lose most of your dps. You are forgetting that drones are also a very potent anti-frigate weapon for all larger hulls. That's the reason why gallente drone ships always have guns : while the ennemy focus on drones, he's not focusing on you, and you melt him. By the time your drones are dead, he is dead too. Ever faced an ishkur in a frigate ? As fast as you can kill the drones, you still die doing it, and the ishkur is still there shooting at you. |
Dato Koppla
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
89
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Posted - 2012.10.26 11:23:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:Drones at the frigate level are especially hard to use as enemy frigates can eliminate drones in the blink of an eye forcing you to choose between microing them in and out of your drone bay (which will probably lead to them just shooting you while the majority of your dps is wasted) or let the enemy shoot them and lose most of your dps. You are forgetting that drones are also a very potent anti-frigate weapon for all larger hulls. That's the reason why gallente drone ships always have guns : while the ennemy focus on drones, he's not focusing on you, and you melt him. By the time your drones are dead, he is dead too. Ever faced an ishkur in a frigate ? As fast as you can kill the drones, you still die doing it, and the ishkur is still there shooting at you.
Yes the Ishkur does well in frigate battles for the reason you mentioned, but don't forget that is at point blank and more of the ishkurs dps comes from blasters, any decent pilots knows that if you can keep out of the Ishkurs blaster range, you can easily eliminate its drones and kite it to death, if you're point blank brawling a blaster Ishkur and shooting its drones you're doing it wrong. |
Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
125
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Posted - 2012.10.26 12:25:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Bouh Revetoile wrote:You are forgetting that drones are also a very potent anti-frigate weapon for all larger hulls. That's the reason why gallente drone ships always have guns : while the ennemy focus on drones, he's not focusing on you, and you melt him. By the time your drones are dead, he is dead too. Ever faced an ishkur in a frigate ? As fast as you can kill the drones, you still die doing it, and the ishkur is still there shooting at you. Yes the Ishkur does well in frigate battles for the reason you mentioned, but don't forget that is at point blank and more of the ishkurs dps comes from blasters, any decent pilots knows that if you can keep out of the Ishkurs blaster range, you can easily eliminate its drones and kite it to death, if you're point blank brawling a blaster Ishkur and shooting its drones you're doing it wrong. And what will you do against a railguns ishkur ? :-) BTW, its drones have friends in the dronebay, only waiting for their turn.
And I'm pretty sure you can have most of your dps with blasters too on this tristan. You don't need a lot of blasters to outdps some lightdrones.
And still, a lot of large ships manage to defend themselves with only one flight of light drones. Either most frigate pilots are bad or light drones are pretty good at killing frigates already ? Droneboats also had always been renowned for their frigate killing capabilities, and that's certainly not because of medium or heavy drones.
And yes, kiting is the death of blaster boats, and that shouldn't be different, nothing new here and that's not the debate. Any competent blaster ship pilot know it BTW, and will do everything to trap it's target in its bloody claws. That's the blasters game. |
Sard Caid
Gunpoint Diplomacy
57
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Posted - 2012.10.30 03:46:00 -
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I wasn't able to play with these as much as I'd like, however they feel very powerful with great damage output and amazing projection for frigates. I'd like to spend a few more hours with each of the new frigate's match ups, though I can tentatively say that they're quite dominant versus the current iterations of combat and attack frigates. I'll say more if Duality can go up again soonGäó. |
Jet Lazuli
Perkone Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.10.31 07:48:00 -
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I know this question isn't THAT important. But.... wondering if the Kestrel will get the same revamped ship model that the Manticore has ATM? |
Sheynan
Lighting the blight
105
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Posted - 2012.10.31 11:48:00 -
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Why would it ? The new model was specifically for torpedo launchers. |
Johnny Bloomington
Justified Chaos
33
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Posted - 2012.10.31 14:48:00 -
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Jet Lazuli wrote:I know this question isn't THAT important. But.... wondering if the Kestrel will get the same revamped ship model that the Manticore has ATM? I second this! The model could be slightly modified for different hard points. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
160
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Posted - 2012.10.31 16:00:00 -
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Jet Lazuli wrote:I know this question isn't THAT important. But.... wondering if the Kestrel will get the same revamped ship model that the Manticore has ATM?
No... No... No no no no no no no
No
NO! |
Johnny Bloomington
Justified Chaos
33
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Posted - 2012.10.31 19:42:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Jet Lazuli wrote:I know this question isn't THAT important. But.... wondering if the Kestrel will get the same revamped ship model that the Manticore has ATM? No... No... No no no no no no no No NO!
and Why.... why...Why why why why why why why
Why
WHY? |
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