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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.16 10:59:00 -
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Hello again Features & Ideas. Today we're going to be showing you the current designs for the last three revamped Combat Frigates, set for release this winter.
Many of you will have guessed that the Amarr weren't going to remain the only race with two Combat Frigates. Having the Punisher and Tormentor representing different combat styles within the same general use case is a pattern we want to repeat with the other races, so we're revamping the Kestrel, Tristan and Breacher.
You will also see that the direction we're going with these frigs means that our plans have changed somewhat since the dev blog a few months ago.
Without further ado, here's the ships we have to show you today!
Kestrel: Frigate skill bonuses: 5% Bonus to Missile damage per level 10% Bonus to Missile velocity per level Slot layout: 4 H, 4 M (+1), 2 L, 4 launchers Fittings: 45 PWG (+15), 180 CPU (+30) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 500(+109) / 350(+37) / 350 (+84) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 330 (+80)/ 165s (-22.5s)/ 2 (+0.667) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 320 (+24) / 3.27(-0.6) / 1163000 / 3.56s (-0.65) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km (+10) / 620 (+155) / 5 (+2) Sensor strength: 11 Gravimetric Signature radius: 38 (-9) Cargo capacity: 160 (-145)
Tristan: Frigate skill bonuses: 7.5% Bonus to Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level 10% Bonus to Drone tracking speed and hitpoints per level Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 3 M, 3 L, 2 turrets, 0 launchers (-2) Fittings: 35 PWG (-3), 130 CPU (+5) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 350(-41) / 450(+20) / 550 (+167) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 350 (+80)/ 175s (-59.38s)/ 2 (+0.5) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 310 (+14) / 3.44 (-0.41) / 1106000 (+100000) / 3.56s (-0.02) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 (+20) / 40 (+35) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 40km (+12.5) / 600 (+10) / 5 Sensor strength: 9 Magnetometric Signature radius: 41 (-1) Cargo capacity: 140
Breacher: Frigate skill bonuses: 5% Bonus to Missile damage per level 7.5% Bonus to Shield boost amount per level Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 4 M (+2), 3 L (+1), 3 launchers, 0 Turrets (-1) Fittings: 35 PWG (+4), 180 CPU (+45) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 500(+149) / 350(+37) / 300 (+50) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 300 (+112.5)/ 150s (+9.37s)/ 2 (+0.667) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 350 (+16) / 3.16 (-0.62) / 1087000 (-100000) / 3.21s (-0.99) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 10 (+10) / 10 (+10) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 35km (+2.5) / 650 (+75) / 4 (+1) Sensor strength: 8 Ladar Signature radius: 36 (-5) Cargo capacity: 175 |
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Inepsa1987
Caldari Deep Space Ventures
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:02:00 -
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Tristan looks nice. Spaceship Pilot. |

Spugg Galdon
APOCALYPSE LEGION
158
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:12:00 -
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Should the Tristan not be named Navitus?!!?!?!??!?!
I only ask because we were all under the impression the Tristan was to be a missle frigate (synergy with Nemesis) and the Navitus a drone boat |

Azula Kishtar
Lonely among the Stars
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:15:00 -
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I'm a bit confused. The Tormentor was a mining Frigate, so shouldn't this thread be about the Navitas, Burst and Bantam?
Kestrel looks good anyway. Not sure about the other two yet.
Also, i too thought the Tristan was to be a missile Frigate like the Kestrel, Breacher and Inquisitor. |

Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
95
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:18:00 -
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Ooooh, mantanking droneboat. Me like :) |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
1006

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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:19:00 -
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Like I said, some plans have changed in the past few months. The Navitas will be in the last set of frigates we reveal, but it's no longer planned as a drone damage frigate.
I'm looking forward to that last reveal most of all. Running the latest design past the CSM now, will get it to you asap. |
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Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:23:00 -
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This Tristan look nice ; though I thought the navitas should be a drone boat ; which role will the navitas have ? Drone brawler ?
Is the bonus of the Kestrel for all missiles ? Or only for kinetic ones ? |

Spugg Galdon
APOCALYPSE LEGION
158
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:23:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Like I said, some plans have changed in the past few months. The Navitas will be in the last set of frigates we reveal, but it's no longer planned as a drone damage frigate.
Then I'm sorry CCP Fozzie. I'm going to have to "unlike" this purely for the Tristen having no synergy with it's T2 counterpart. I don't know what the final plan is for the Tristan and the Navitas but I do really like the idea of the Kestrel and Breecher being so different but the same.
WTB Drone Navitas and Missile Tristan if possible  |

Nagarythe Tinurandir
Catholic School for Boys A Point In Space
39
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:31:00 -
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i read it like:
Kestrel - long(er) range missile frig; emphazising on the caldari long range philosophy
Tristan - combi drone, blaster brawler (hybrid tracking and drone HP); up close & personal gallente style
Breacher - missile frig; don't know here but shield boost implicates intention to make it more suited for small skirmishes. on the first glance less pronounced to have a certain combat style. suit minmatar.
interesting is the bonus for missiles only, no rockets. kestrel is designed for long range, the breacher seems to be similar but will have a shorter range. im excited to see how this will turn out. 4 mids with a shield boost amount bonus and 3 mids. hardcore range control and asb - goodiness is in the air.
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
1006

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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:34:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:This Tristan look nice ; though I thought the navitas should be a drone boat ; which role will the navitas have ? Drone brawler ?
Is the bonus of the Kestrel for all missiles ? Or only for kinetic ones ?
All missiles. It's a break from the usual Caldari bonuses but in this case we felt it was appropriate.
Spugg Galdon wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Like I said, some plans have changed in the past few months. The Navitas will be in the last set of frigates we reveal, but it's no longer planned as a drone damage frigate. Then I'm sorry CCP Fozzie. I'm going to have to "unlike" this purely for the Tristen having no synergy with it's T2 counterpart. I don't know what the final plan is for the Tristan and the Navitas but I do really like the idea of the Kestrel and Breecher being so different but the same. WTB Drone Navitas and Missile Tristan if possible 
We didn't like giving Gallente a missile bonused t1 frigate and then leaving them with a stealth bomber (for which skills in rockets and light missiles actually have 0 impact) as the only possible upgrade. |
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Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:36:00 -
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Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote: Tristan - combi drone, blaster brawler (hybrid tracking and drone HP); up close & personal gallente style
I saw this tristan as a drone kiter infact : drone brawlers have bonuses to drone damage and hybrid damage ; this one won't have enough damage to brawl whereas the tracking allow to use big railguns. |

Takeshi Yamato
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
353
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:38:00 -
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CCP Fozzie
What about the Inquisitor?
With ASBs as they are, I have a hard time not seeing this new Breacher dominating every other frig in its class. Have you tested this particular aspect yet? An analysis: fixing active tanking in a logical manner: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1693846 |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
1007

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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:39:00 -
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Takeshi Yamato wrote:CCP Fozzie
What about the Inquisitor?
It's getting a new role, to be unveiled along with the last set of frigs. |
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Spugg Galdon
APOCALYPSE LEGION
158
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:41:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Bouh Revetoile wrote:This Tristan look nice ; though I thought the navitas should be a drone boat ; which role will the navitas have ? Drone brawler ?
Is the bonus of the Kestrel for all missiles ? Or only for kinetic ones ? All missiles. It's a break from the usual Caldari bonuses but in this case we felt it was appropriate. Spugg Galdon wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Like I said, some plans have changed in the past few months. The Navitas will be in the last set of frigates we reveal, but it's no longer planned as a drone damage frigate. Then I'm sorry CCP Fozzie. I'm going to have to "unlike" this purely for the Tristen having no synergy with it's T2 counterpart. I don't know what the final plan is for the Tristan and the Navitas but I do really like the idea of the Kestrel and Breecher being so different but the same. WTB Drone Navitas and Missile Tristan if possible  We didn't like giving Gallente a missile bonused t1 frigate and then leaving them with a stealth bomber (for which skills in rockets and light missiles actually have 0 impact) as the only possible upgrade.
I would argue that skills in missile velocities and flight times and damage would effect the Nemesis instead of just plonking them straight into a missile boat without any missile skills.
Also, Ships like the Lachesis have very useful missile slots and bonuses. There is room for progression there but I have an itching in my breechers (no, it's not from the dirty encounter I had from a goon) that the cruiser level Gallente EWAR ships are gonna get refocused into drones  |

Azula Kishtar
Lonely among the Stars
3
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:43:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote: Tristan - combi drone, blaster brawler (hybrid tracking and drone HP); up close & personal gallente style
I saw this tristan as a drone kiter infact : drone brawlers have bonuses to drone damage and hybrid damage ; this one won't have enough damage to brawl whereas the tracking allow to use big railguns.
Perhaps the tracking bonus is supposed to help the Tristan kill enemy drones that attack it when it keeps range and enemy ships can't reach it with their turrets. Small Blasters track very well already, so they should have no trouble hitting drones with this bonus.
I know someone who will be very upset about the changes to the Kestrel, but i like it, as well the Breacher. ASBs will work great on that ship....
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Paul Clancy
Korpu no Byakko Tower of Dark Alliance
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:56:00 -
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Dear CCP Fozzie, check capacitor amount for Tristan again, it already contains 350 (so no +80) and it's speed is 306 (so +14, not +24)
Recheck the statistics please. |

Nagarythe Tinurandir
Catholic School for Boys A Point In Space
39
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:57:00 -
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Azula Kishtar wrote:Bouh Revetoile wrote:Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote: Tristan - combi drone, blaster brawler (hybrid tracking and drone HP); up close & personal gallente style
I saw this tristan as a drone kiter infact : drone brawlers have bonuses to drone damage and hybrid damage ; this one won't have enough damage to brawl whereas the tracking allow to use big railguns. Perhaps the tracking bonus is supposed to help the Tristan kill enemy drones that attack it when it keeps range and enemy ships can't reach it with their turrets. Small Blasters track very well already, so they should have no trouble hitting drones with this bonus. I know someone who will be very upset about the changes to the Kestrel, but i like it, as well as the Breacher. ASBs will work great on that ship....
didn't thought about the rails ... ^^ but i guess both could be worth testing. but fitting some rails which would make a difference will be hard on the fittings.
as for the breacher, every shield booster will work great. its more of a question, how you plan to use your cap. active shield tanking can be awesome with normal boosters too. actually, asb should use a bit more fitting resources and boost shield amounts depending on cap charge size. would add some depth. |

ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
128
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Posted - 2012.08.16 11:59:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Takeshi Yamato wrote:CCP Fozzie
What about the Inquisitor? It's getting a new role, to be unveiled along with the last set of frigs.
PLEASE keep it a missile frigate i was very much looking foward to the rocket inquisitor. |

Bubanni
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
423
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:01:00 -
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CCP Fozzie, can you guys also please look at other frigates for winter? (i'm thinking the interceptors as I feel the other t2 frigs seem fairly balanced at the moment, sb being weak against other frigs, and good chance of being popped fast by a bc or cruiser, and assault frigs being quite nice at the moment where they can even take on battlecruisers and win)
So yes... please look at the interceptors? Christmas wish list https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134275
Module activation delay! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180934 |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
1007

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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:08:00 -
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Paul Clancy wrote:Dear CCP Fozzie, check capacitor amount for Tristan again, it already contains 350 (so no +80) and it's speed is 306 (so +14, not +24)
Recheck the statistics please.
Thanks for the heads up. The stats for the new ships were correct but the change values were typos, those are now fixed.
Bubanni wrote:CCP Fozzie, can you guys also please look at other frigates for winter? (i'm thinking the interceptors as I feel the other t2 frigs seem fairly balanced at the moment, sb being weak against other frigs, and good chance of being popped fast by a bc or cruiser, and assault frigs being quite nice at the moment where they can even take on battlecruisers and win)
So yes... please look at the interceptors? I am saying this because it would suck if that took an additional half year after all other frigs had been balanced
Don't think ceptors will be able to make it into Winter, but we'll get a look at them as soon as we can. |
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Bubanni
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
423
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:11:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Bubanni wrote:CCP Fozzie, can you guys also please look at other frigates for winter? (i'm thinking the interceptors as I feel the other t2 frigs seem fairly balanced at the moment, sb being weak against other frigs, and good chance of being popped fast by a bc or cruiser, and assault frigs being quite nice at the moment where they can even take on battlecruisers and win)
So yes... please look at the interceptors? I am saying this because it would suck if that took an additional half year after all other frigs had been balanced Don't think ceptors will be able to make it into Winter, but we'll get a look at them as soon as we can.
Understandable :) I love that you guys are working on this though, Christmas wish list https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134275
Module activation delay! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180934 |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
340
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:11:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: [...]
Kestrel: Frigate skill bonuses: 5% Bonus to Missile damage per level 10% Bonus to Missile velocity per level Slot layout: 4 H, 4 M (+1), 2 L, 4 launchers Fittings: 45 PWG (+15), 180 CPU (+30) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 500(+109) / 350(+37) / 350 (+84) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 330 (+80)/ 165s (-22.5s)/ 2 (+0.667) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 320 (+24) / 3.27(-0.6) / 1163000 / 3.56s (-0.65) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km (+10) / 620 (+155) / 5 (+2) Sensor strength: 11 Gravimetric Signature radius: 38 (-9) Cargo capacity: 160 (-145)
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Miniature HM/Nano-Drake, I can haz!
Yaaay'z!! There is a fine and proper artistry to wielding verbal scalpels, such that the crap-poster you've slashed doesn't even know they've been cut. But verbal bludgeons -- Those are just fun. |

Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:21:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: Tristan: Frigate skill bonuses: 7.5% Bonus to Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level 10% Bonus to Drone tracking speed and hitpoints per level Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 (+20) / 40 (+35)
Sigh, more of the same, again? Split weapon system, drones and turrets. If you are going to make a drone boat, make it a DRONE boat! No guns, just drones, with bonuses and bay to match. We already have plenty of turret ships with drones. This is just more of the same, with slightly more (1) drones.
Love the drone tracking speed bonus though. That's new and exciting. And HP bonus is great, though truth be told I would like to see a 20% HP boost per level, not 10%. At 10% drones still die too easy, and they're too important on this ship, especially if you're not going to give us the bandwidth to carry more than 1 full flight.
Which brings me to my last point, once again, 25 bandwidth, 40 bay? Why not 50 bay? Give us 2 full flights if we have to warp out in a jiffy and can't wait for drones. Which happens OFTEN. Very, very, very, very, very...[infinity]...very, very often. Would it really be so horrific if we had backups? How does this unbalance the ship? Aside from perhaps adding a smidgeon of flexibility? Besides, all this comes at a cost - if ship is destroyed with 2 flights of drones, it'll cost me more than 1.6 flights. Risk vs reward, flexibility for more ISK. What's the problem?
I say this from a loving place, but perhaps it's time to break the (broken) old mechanic of split weapon systems and weak drone bays and bonuses for drone boats. Drone boats should be drone boats, not 50% turret and 50% drones. We already have tons of ships with 70% whatever and 30% drones or less. Not much of a difference there. |

Martin0
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:50:00 -
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[quote=CCP Fozzie]Tristan: Frigate skill bonuses: 7.5% Bonus to Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level 10% Bonus to Drone tracking speed and hitpoints per level Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 3 M, 3 L, 2 turrets, 0 launchers (-2) Fittings: 35 PWG (-3), 130 CPU (+5) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 350(-41) / 450(+20) / 550 (+167) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 350 / 175s (-59.38s)/ 2 (+0.5) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 310 (+4) / 3.44 (-0.21) / 1106000 (+100000) / 3.56s (-0.02) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 (+20) / 40 (+35) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 40km (+12.5) / 600 (+10) / 5 Sensor strength: 9 Magnetometric Signature radius: 41 (-1) Cargo capacity: 140 /quote]
Thank you very much for not making the tristan a missile boat.  I'll start buying some now :D
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Aurum Gallente
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:53:00 -
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I'm happy to see tristan like this but 3 med+2 light drones or one sentry in frigate class? It can kill any T1 cruiser or tier-3 BC. If you want to see powerful drone platform just change turret bonus to something useful like drone HP or stasis webifier range or armor resistances. I prefer 0 turrents and long webifier |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
1009

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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:56:00 -
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Aurum Gallente wrote:I'm happy to see tristan like this but 3 med+2 light drones or one sentry in frigate class? It can kill any T1 cruiser or tier-3 BC. If you want to see powerful drone platform just change turret bonus to something useful like drone HP or stasis webifier range or armor resistances. I prefer 0 turrents and long webifier
It has 40m3 bay but only 25m3 bandwidth, so 5 light drones or one sentry. |
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Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:57:00 -
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So shouldn't the Inquisitor be in with this group? Or are you just having the Tormentor with this group, and will just switch the Inquisitor into the next group? Which is fine.
The Tristan seems like it has one less slot than the rest of the ships in this group 9 instead of 10. Is that because it has so many more drones?
If the Tormentor is going to be the Frigate of this group can we get a range bonus instead of the cap use bonus or a bigger drone bay?
And can anybody please answer the question of the Amarr cap use bonus? There have been lots of people asking questions and few threads also.
Well thanks for your time. |

Spugg Galdon
APOCALYPSE LEGION
159
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Posted - 2012.08.16 12:59:00 -
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I think Jame Jarl Retief and I are on the same page.
Another argument against a missile frigate being useless for Gallente is that progressing from a missile frigate in all the races to a stealth bomber is EXACTLY the same jump.
The other T1 missile frigates don't use torpedoes so they still have to train rockets/lights for the frigates and torps for the bombers.
Jame Jarl Retief also made a spot on point about the Velator getting a missile bonus but there being no progression from that.
Long stroy short, Make this hull the Navitas or switch the tracking bonus for a missile explosion velocity and give it two launchers. The Worm will cry if you do that though so I would say make the Tristan a missile boat with no drones and the Navitas what you have just proposed |

Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:08:00 -
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Making the Tristan a missile ship also would lessen the sidestep toward the worm, it uses rockets or light missiles. So it would not be wasted SP to train them Edit: Also I really would like to see the Navitas as a drone ship as well. It would look much better then the Tristan, look at the style of the Vexor, Myrmidon, and the Dominix, the Tristan would only be an eye sore in the drone boat line. |

Harvey James
Prospero's Sight
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Posted - 2012.08.16 13:13:00 -
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velator has no missile bonus but a launcher slot.. but more interestingly does this mean the navitas is going to be a face melting blaster boat? like a t1 enyo and the tristan looks like a t1 ishkur |
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