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Drew Solaert Wildcard Inc. 198	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:39:00 - [61] - Quote I was really hoping for a Fap worthy rocket tristan with a armour rep bonus. Dreams shattered. Though this drone Tristan is not bad at all. Would love to see the tracking bonus dropped for something else, admittly 5% hybrid damage per level would be a little bit OP with the drones and an armour rep bonus would make it silly for pve. Still. Good job CCP. Also that breacher, I might have to give that a whirl. I lied :o

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 1011	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:41:00 - [62] - Quote Marcel Devereux wrote: What I am saying is that the Navitas looks like a space fish like the Vexor and Dominix. The Tristan does not. The Navitas also looks a lot like the Exequror....... Gonna get replies posted to a bunch more of your questions and comments here soon, but have a meeting to run to. Expect walls of text in this thread later tonight.

Grideris Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition 244	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:43:00 - [63] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Marcel Devereux wrote: What I am saying is that the Navitas looks like a space fish like the Vexor and Dominix. The Tristan does not. The Navitas also looks a lot like the Exequror....... Gonna get replies posted to a bunch more of your questions and comments here soon, but have a meeting to run to. Expect walls of text in this thread later tonight. BRB, buying all the small armour reps. http://www.dust514.org - *the* unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com - the blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need
Omnathious Deninard Extrinsic Operations 43	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:45:00 - [64] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Marcel Devereux wrote: What I am saying is that the Navitas looks like a space fish like the Vexor and Dominix. The Tristan does not. The Navitas also looks a lot like the Exequror....... Gonna get replies posted to a bunch more of your questions and comments here soon, but have a meeting to run to. Expect walls of text in this thread later tonight. I knew deep down in my gut where the navitas was headed, im not sure i like it, it was far more exciting when it was going to be a drone ship.
Erim Solfara inFluX. 57	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:47:00 - [65] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Takeshi Yamato wrote: CCP Fozzie What about the Inquisitor? It's getting a new role, to be unveiled along with the last set of frigs. I'm not following the paradigm here, are all the races getting 2 combat frigates? If so, why on earth is the mining frigate becoming a combat frig, and a combat frig becoming something else? Inquisitor should be in this group as far as I can tell from the information we have already. Would much rather the Tormentor became the new non-combat ship.
Adolf Hilmar Strange Energy Gentlemen's Agreement 88	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:47:00 - [66] - Quote Nooo! Don't nerf my cyno kestrel's cargo hold. I need that space for ozone.
X Gallentius Justified Chaos 402	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:55:00 - [67] - Quote Brunaburh wrote: We didn't like giving Gallente a missile bonused t1 frigate and then leaving them with a stealth bomber (for which skills in rockets and light missiles actually have 0 impact) as the only possible upgrade. So what's the point of having a Gallente T2 stealth bomber at all? Seriously, you've now laid out that there isn't a single Gallente frigate that requires any missile skills. The whole "racial" combat platform of drones + blasters sounds good in your head maybe, but doesn't make sense from a gameplay standpoint. Blaster boats have to be point blank and are armor tanked, so are slow to get into range and do their damage. Drone - focused boats aren't practical in PvP unless you are a suicide PVP player, because of drone recall times in GTFO situations. You've taken one of the most offensive ships in the Gallente frigate fleet and crippled it. In addition, you've now set up a good number of Gallente T2 frigates to be suboptimal straight off of the T1 frigates. due to a lack of any missile boats. Gallente have always had a harder time due to mixed platform training for weapons (drones, guns, missiles) and now you take away one of the useful cross-train paths. Seriously, think about it.[/quote] +1 CCP. Reduce number of mixed weapons systems; reduce mixed platform training; get rid of missiles on Gallente hulls. Fire that missile loving traitor Jacques Roden! Seriously, the only decent missile boat (besides the stealth bomber which stands apart like the Tier 3 BC) the Gallente have is the Lachesis - and it only uses three of the five high slots for missiles (which is fail btw). So there's no real progression for missiles anyways. No, the Celestis doesn't count - nobody puts missiles on them. Finally, the only solution for GTFO situations is that the player has to accept the fact that he's going to be purchasing alot of drones. It's the cost of doing business as a Gallente pilot - along with higher hull prices across the board.
Marcel Devereux Aideron Robotics 132	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:55:00 - [68] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Marcel Devereux wrote: What I am saying is that the Navitas looks like a space fish like the Vexor and Dominix. The Tristan does not. The Navitas also looks a lot like the Exequror....... Gonna get replies posted to a bunch more of your questions and comments here soon, but have a meeting to run to. Expect walls of text in this thread later tonight. It looks more like the Vexor and Dominix than the Exequror. Since the Gallente get shafted at everything how about making its logistics frigates and combat/logistics frigate? Rep bonus + drone damage bonus? If you do that to the Navitas that would be hot!
Marcel Devereux Aideron Robotics 132	Posted - 2012.08.16 15:56:00 - [69] - Quote X Gallentius wrote: Finally, the only solution for GTFO situations is that the player has to accept the fact that he's going to be purchasing alot of drones. It's the cost of doing business as a Gallente pilot - along with higher hull prices across the board. Not only purchasing lots of drones but going back to resupply quite often because he can't recall them fast enough. The lack of drone bay is a serious design flaw.
Omnathious Deninard Extrinsic Operations 43	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:02:00 - [70] - Quote Marcel Devereux wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Marcel Devereux wrote: What I am saying is that the Navitas looks like a space fish like the Vexor and Dominix. The Tristan does not. The Navitas also looks a lot like the Exequror....... Gonna get replies posted to a bunch more of your questions and comments here soon, but have a meeting to run to. Expect walls of text in this thread later tonight. It looks more like the Vexor and Dominix than the Exequror. Since the Gallente get shafted at everything how about making its logistics frigates and combat/logistics frigate? Rep bonus + drone damage bonus? If you do that to the Navitas that would be hot! That would be OP but so cool to see happen

Marcel Devereux Aideron Robotics 132	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:09:00 - [71] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: Marcel Devereux wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Marcel Devereux wrote: What I am saying is that the Navitas looks like a space fish like the Vexor and Dominix. The Tristan does not. The Navitas also looks a lot like the Exequror....... Gonna get replies posted to a bunch more of your questions and comments here soon, but have a meeting to run to. Expect walls of text in this thread later tonight. It looks more like the Vexor and Dominix than the Exequror. Since the Gallente get shafted at everything how about making its logistics frigates and combat/logistics frigate? Rep bonus + drone damage bonus? If you do that to the Navitas that would be hot! That would be OP but so cool to see happen I would rather OP than subpar and useless.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 1868	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:12:00 - [72] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Kestrel: Frigate skill bonuses: 5% Bonus to Missile damage per level 10% Bonus to Missile velocity per level Slot layout: 4 H, 4 M (+1), 2 L, 4 launchers Fittings: 45 PWG (+15), 180 CPU (+30) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 500(+109) / 350(+37) / 350 (+84) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 330 (+80)/ 165s (-22.5s)/ 2 (+0.667) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 320 (+24) / 3.27(-0.6) / 1163000 / 3.56s (-0.65) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km (+10) / 620 (+155) / 5 (+2) Sensor strength: 11 Gravimetric Signature radius: 38 (-9) Cargo capacity: 160 (-145) Let me make sure I understand this change. You're replacing the 10% kinetic damage bonus with a 10% missile velocity bonus and giving it an extra mid. I'd say that chances are the new Kestrel is inferior to the old one despite the extra mid and fittings. What do you say to a 5% ROF bonus over that 5% Damage bonus? Also, please don't ruin the "Cyno Kessie". I don't have any particular love of the Kestrel for cynoing since I have cyno 5 on all my alts, but it's... history. And I'm sentimental. :) Quote: Tristan: Frigate skill bonuses: 7.5% Bonus to Hybrid Turret tracking speed per level 10% Bonus to Drone tracking speed and hitpoints per level Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 3 M, 3 L, 2 turrets, 0 launchers (-2) Fittings: 35 PWG (-3), 130 CPU (+5) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 350(-41) / 450(+20) / 550 (+167) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 350 / 175s (-59.38s)/ 2 (+0.5) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 310 (+4) / 3.44 (-0.21) / 1106000 (+100000) / 3.56s (-0.02) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 (+20) / 40 (+35) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 40km (+12.5) / 600 (+10) / 5 Sensor strength: 9 Magnetometric Signature radius: 41 (-1) Cargo capacity: 140 You know, I really expected the Navitas to be the drone boat. I'm really glad that we're getting a reasonable drone frigate, because it's totally different than the Atron and Incursus. However, this particular incarnation doesn't feel very compelling for some reason. Maybe it's the 40m^3 drone bay? Maybe it's my skepticism of the drone tracking bonus? Comfort my fears: Have you tested whether this drone tracking speed bonus makes a difference with fast drones shooting fast ships with small hitboxes? What practical DPS difference can I expect when shooting an AB Slasher with a set of Warriors? Quote: Breacher: Frigate skill bonuses: 5% Bonus to Missile damage per level 7.5% Bonus to Shield boost amount per level Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 4 M (+2), 3 L (+1), 3 launchers, 0 Turrets (-1) Fittings: 35 PWG (+4), 180 CPU (+45) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 500(+149) / 350(+37) / 300 (+50) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 300 (+112.5)/ 150s (+9.37s)/ 2 (+0.667) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 350 (+16) / 3.16 (-0.62) / 1087000 (-100000) / 3.21s (-0.99) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 10 (+10) / 10 (+10) Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 35km (+2.5) / 650 (+75) / 4 (+1) Sensor strength: 8 Ladar Signature radius: 36 (-5) Cargo capacity: 175 This... is interesting. I admit that I was hoping to see all active tank bonuses go to that 10%/level the Incursus got, but I guess shields get the hilariously overpowered ASB and I shouldn't complain. I'm not sure which way I'd leap when presented with the speed of a Condor or a bonused medium ASB. I feel like the sig radius will tip me in favor of an ASB Condor though. I expect that the two drones is actually makes for a DPS advantage over the Condor, but I think I'd still prefer to see them moved into a high + launcher. But hell, I should just be glad you're buffing frigs. And even if they go live as you put here, I'm still enjoying the hell out of the Executioner. I'm sure I'll find a reason to like these guys. :) -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 1868	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:14:00 - [73] - Quote Takeshi Yamato wrote: CCP Fozzie What about the Inquisitor? With ASBs as they are, I have a hard time not seeing this new Breacher dominating every other frig in its class. Have you tested this particular aspect yet? The Executioner will destroy the Breacher. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Makalie Estel Arador Corp Services 3	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:14:00 - [74] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Marcel Devereux wrote: What I am saying is that the Navitas looks like a space fish like the Vexor and Dominix. The Tristan does not. The Navitas also looks a lot like the Exequror....... Oh dear god please, this. Logi frigates! Please! And T1 logi cruisers, besides the Exequror, would be rad, though I suppose cross training up to that wasn't that bad.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 1868	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:17:00 - [75] - Quote Kethry Avenger wrote: And can anybody please answer the question of the Amarr cap use bonus? There have been lots of people asking questions and few threads also. What do you mean: the question of the Amarr cap use bonus? It's freaking awesome on ships with some kind of damage bonus! -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 1868	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:19:00 - [76] - Quote Takeshi Yamato wrote: CCP Fozzie Is there any chance that the -10% laser cap usage bonus will be looked at while you're rebalancing T1 ships? It's something that you guys probably want to address sooner or later, and in this case, sooner would save you some work. There are about 20 ships with this bonus and many of the T1 ships with it are just not competitive due to it. I've written some of my thoughts about it here. If you want to look at it, seeing the affected ships in a list makes you realize how far reaching this issue is. I also want to mention that I'd really like the Inquisitor to be a Khanid ship (rocket damage bonus, armor resist bonus). I really like the bonus on both the Executioner and Tormentor. The Executioner in particular. I wouldn't have been able to get either of these two kills without it last night: - http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29491 - http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29487 -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 1868	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:22:00 - [77] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Marcel Devereux wrote: What I am saying is that the Navitas looks like a space fish like the Vexor and Dominix. The Tristan does not. The Navitas also looks a lot like the Exequror....... Gonna get replies posted to a bunch more of your questions and comments here soon, but have a meeting to run to. Expect walls of text in this thread later tonight. I knew deep down in my gut where the navitas was headed, im not sure i like it, it was far more exciting when it was going to be a drone ship. Don't be daft. As long as it doesn't suck that's infinitely superior. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Spugg Galdon APOCALYPSE LEGION 159	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:27:00 - [78] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Marcel Devereux wrote: What I am saying is that the Navitas looks like a space fish like the Vexor and Dominix. The Tristan does not. The Navitas also looks a lot like the Exequror....... Gonna get replies posted to a bunch more of your questions and comments here soon, but have a meeting to run to. Expect walls of text in this thread later tonight. hhhmmmmm, I always thought a Destroyer hull would make a better light logistics ship. Firgates don't have enough slots and a far too flimsy with weak sensor strengths and poor tageting range to fill this role. A destroyer hull would fill it better and we need more destroyer huls with roles! I think you're missing a trick by not giving Gallente a T1 Missile frigate and making the Navitas a drone boat.. The way I imagined the T1 frigate line up accross all races was something like this: A Kite Missile boat Bombardment (Inquisitor / Kestral / Tristan / Breacher) An EWAR boat (Crucifier / Griffin / Maulus / Vigil) An Interceptor (Executioner / Condor / Atron / Slasher) An Explorer or Scout (Magnate / Heron / Imicus / Probe) Two Combat boats (High DPS and Tank) with racial flare Punisher - Lasers Tormentor - Lasers + Drones Merlin - Hybrids Bantam - Missiles Navitas - Drones Incursus - Hybrids Rifter - Projectiles Burst - Jack of all trades (Projectiles and Missiles with some Drones)
Warde Guildencrantz TunDraGon 27	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:29:00 - [79] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Takeshi Yamato wrote: CCP Fozzie What about the Inquisitor? It's getting a new role, to be unveiled along with the last set of frigs. Inb4 logi frigs nooooooooooooo dont ruin frig fighting with logi frigsssssssssssssss
Jame Jarl Retief Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy 248	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:30:00 - [80] - Quote Zoofelynn wrote: How come "small" balance changes have to come along a big expansion? Why not just continuously balance and put these changes and other upcoming balance changes into small patches that can be applied during a regular maintenance? I would very much like an answer to this as well. I seem to remember either CCP Ytterbium or someone else saying ship rebalance will be done in small steps using small groups to keep things reasonable. Now it looks like it'll be a 4-month break with no changes, and one huge mega-dump (albeit tested on SiSi) in Winter, including frigates, destroyers and possibly even come cruisers? What changed between last iteration and now? Quote: To be fair, it doesn't take months to come up with the changes currently suggested. With this pace it's gonna take until 2020 before all ships have been looked at. This too. Most of us expected drastic, sweeping changes. But so far, it's just weaking same old paradigms. And while adding things like frigate and destroyer size drone boats is very welcome, it shouldn't take all that long. It's not like new modules or new hulls are being added - it's same old mush with different numbers. Also nothing major is being changed. I had hoped for a major drone boat overhaul, for example. Abandoning the tired and broken (ever since subcaps got a 5-drone limit) mechanics of split weapon systems (hybrids and drones in roughly 50/50 ratio). But it seems all we're getting is a mini-Vexor, which is really nothing new, it just has to be scaled down.

Omnathious Deninard Extrinsic Operations 43	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:31:00 - [81] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Omnathious Deninard wrote: CCP Fozzie wrote: Marcel Devereux wrote: What I am saying is that the Navitas looks like a space fish like the Vexor and Dominix. The Tristan does not. The Navitas also looks a lot like the Exequror....... Gonna get replies posted to a bunch more of your questions and comments here soon, but have a meeting to run to. Expect walls of text in this thread later tonight. I knew deep down in my gut where the navitas was headed, im not sure i like it, it was far more exciting when it was going to be a drone ship. Don't be daft. As long as it doesn't suck that's infinitely superior. -Liang As soon as Fozzie mentioned they had new plans for the navitas I recallled whatt the csm mins said about wanting to do something with small and medium RR, that is when i realized we lost the navitas as a drone ship. I still dont like it, the Tristran could be a logi ship also, it will be getting bonuses that have no application to its t2 version.
Takeshi Yamato Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 361	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:31:00 - [82] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: Takeshi Yamato wrote: CCP Fozzie Is there any chance that the -10% laser cap usage bonus will be looked at while you're rebalancing T1 ships? It's something that you guys probably want to address sooner or later, and in this case, sooner would save you some work. There are about 20 ships with this bonus and many of the T1 ships with it are just not competitive due to it. I've written some of my thoughts about it here. If you want to look at it, seeing the affected ships in a list makes you realize how far reaching this issue is. I also want to mention that I'd really like the Inquisitor to be a Khanid ship (rocket damage bonus, armor resist bonus). I really like the bonus on both the Executioner and Tormentor. The Executioner in particular. I wouldn't have been able to get either of these two kills without it last night: - http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29491 - http://kb.heretic-army.biz/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=29487 -Liang I agree, cap usage of lasers should not go up. What I'm suggesting is this. More than anything I'm interested to hear some dev comments on this. An analysis: fixing active tanking in a logical manner: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1693846
Recoil IV Knights of the Posing Meat 11	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:34:00 - [83] - Quote dont forget about destroyers,and caldari ship/missiles tweaks
Vakr Onzo Elite Amarr Navy Academy 2	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:35:00 - [84] - Quote Tristan's hybrid bonus make sense when you use smaller guns than 125mm to defend itself against fast moving targets...like drones and those T1 tackling frigates. Those who are complaining about losing the "Cyno" Kestrel....you do know the Exploration Frigate revamp will still give you a T1 option for a suicide cyno run :P
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 1868	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:40:00 - [85] - Quote Takeshi Yamato wrote: I agree, cap usage of lasers should not go up. What I'm suggesting is this. Quote: What I would do is just reducing laser cap usage by 50% and remove the -10% laser cap usage bonus, replacing it with a 5% damage per level on hulls that have no damage bonus. The ships that already have a damage bonus are reviewed individually, trying to give them a useful but not overpowered bonus: (long list of ships and suggested bonuses follows) More than anything I'm interested to hear some dev comments on this. The ships are already borderline OP with a laser cap bonus. I think giving them other bonuses might just push them all the way over. But yeah - let's see what the devs say. /shrug -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Nagarythe Tinurandir Catholic School for Boys A Point In Space 39	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:40:00 - [86] - Quote Brunaburh wrote: In addition, you've now set up a good number of Gallente T2 frigates to be suboptimal straight off of the T1 frigates. due to a lack of any missile boats. Gallente have always had a harder time due to mixed platform training for weapons (drones, guns, missiles) and now you take away one of the useful cross-train paths. Seriously, think about it. To even touch this ship now you have to train a month of missile skills that have no bearing whatsoever to any other gallente frigate. actually "gallente training" for subcapital t1 is "rather" easy with blaster(hybrids)/ drones and armor tank. imagine training a minmatar character; you need projectiles, missiles, drones, armor & shield tank. i do not see anything wrong when the combat philosophy of a race gets a bit more pronounced. this way you stop making every race the same. just because there is one t1 gallente frig which uses light missiles and maybe rockets, why should you train every missile related skill? i like the philosophy of having the gallente frigs more hybrid and drone focusses and less using "foreign" weapons. this way you see, whats this race is all about and when moving past t1 and start specialising into t2 or broadening into other races you always can start training for the other toys. it may be a contestable opinion, but when specialising for a t2 ship, i find it acceptable to train for a "specialised" weapon type. the main idea behind the bombers was not making them torpedo spitting missile boats, but have a platform for deploying bombs, which do not have much in common with missiles. it would be rather cool if only the caldari bomber would use torps and the other bombers would use large lasers/projectiles/ blasters.. heavily modified to make them only viable when shooting larger targets. like a penalty on signature radius.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 1868	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:40:00 - [87] - Quote Vakr Onzo wrote: Tristan's hybrid bonus make sense when you use smaller guns than 125mm to defend itself against fast moving targets...like drones and those T1 tackling frigates. Those who are complaining about losing the "Cyno" Kestrel....you do know the Exploration Frigate revamp will still give you a T1 option for a suicide cyno run :P It's about nostalgia and history, not about having an effective cyno frigate. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 1868	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:42:00 - [88] - Quote Nagarythe Tinurandir wrote: the main idea behind the bombers was not making them torpedo spitting missile boats, but have a platform for deploying bombs, which do not have much in common with missiles. it would be rather cool if only the caldari bomber would use torps and the other bombers would use large lasers/projectiles/ blasters.. heavily modified to make them only viable when shooting larger targets. like a penalty on signature radius. The funny thing about that is that the current bombers are modified in favor of having BETTER damage application (but not raw DPS) than battleships. And you're suggesting making the turret ones significantly worse? Heh. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Takeshi Yamato Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 361	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:47:00 - [89] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: The ships are already borderline OP with a laser cap bonus. I think giving them other bonuses might just push them all the way over. But yeah - let's see what the devs say. /shrug -Liang Lasers in general are the least used weapon in PvP nowadays as evidenced by these statistics: http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20 But I'm sure you'll be telling me that statistics don't mean anything while your opinion and anecdotes do. An analysis: fixing active tanking in a logical manner: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1693846
Zarnak Wulf Imperial Outlaws 511	Posted - 2012.08.16 16:47:00 - [90] - Quote So five tristans walked into a minor... And each dropped a sentry. That would be comedy gold to do at least one time.



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