The Navitas also looks a lot like the Exequror.......

Gonna get replies posted to a bunch more of your questions and comments here soon, but have a meeting to run to. Expect walls of text in this thread later tonight.

Argue for a buff in the correct areas. Lasers are incredibly powerful weapons systems and most of the "problems" people are pointing out with cap use bonuses are in fact with the hulls in question instead of the bonus.

Seriously, you guys are complaining that the Armageddon is underpowered.

-Liang

Ed: Argue for a Prophecy buff and I'll be all over it helping you push. Omen too. Legion in cases. Etc, etc, etc. But seriously... asking to lower cap use on all lasers and replace the cap use bonus with damage, tracking, optimal and resists is... batshit insane.

I'm very much in favour of this. Enough of the split weapon systems. If it be a drone boat, give it drones and drone bonuses. If it's a hybrid boat, give it hybrid bonuses. But none of this wishy-washy hybrid/drone nonsense. Make up your mind and stick to it.

Argue for a buff in the correct areas. Lasers are incredibly powerful weapons systems and most of the "problems" people are pointing out with cap use bonuses are in fact with the hulls in question instead of the bonus.

Seriously, you guys are complaining that the Armageddon is underpowered.

-Liang

Ed: Argue for a Prophecy buff and I'll be all over it helping you push. Omen too. Legion in cases. Etc, etc, etc. But seriously... asking to lower cap use on all lasers and replace the cap use bonus with damage, tracking, optimal and resists is... batshit insane.

The Navitas also looks a lot like the Exequror.......

Gonna get replies posted to a bunch more of your questions and comments here soon, but have a meeting to run to. Expect walls of text in this thread later tonight.

Hello again Features & Ideas. Today we're going to be showing you the current designs for the last three revamped Combat Frigates, set for release this winter.

Breacher:
Frigate skill bonuses:
5% Bonus to Missile damage per level
7.5% Bonus to Shield boost amount per level
Slot layout: 3 H (-1), 4 M (+2), 3 L (+1), 3 launchers, 0 Turrets (-1)
Fittings: 35 PWG (+4), 180 CPU (+45)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 500(+149) / 350(+37) / 300 (+50)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 300 (+112.5)/ 150s (+9.37s)/ 2 (+0.667)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 350 (+16) / 3.16 (-0.62) / 1087000 (-100000) / 3.21s (-0.99)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 10 (+10) / 10 (+10)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 35km (+2.5) / 650 (+75) / 4 (+1)
Sensor strength: 8 Ladar
Signature radius: 36 (-5)
Cargo capacity: 175

Dear CCP Fozzie,

so far so good, changes are on the way, but I like to state a tiny concern to my Kestrel with only 45 powergrid and lets do some basic math - I like math.

Take a little look at this:

Light Missile Launcher II uses
28 CPU and
9 powergrid

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive uses
23 CPU and
15 powergrid

Nothing new here.

Now lets add some numbers:

4x9 powergrid = 36 powergrid (all very basic math here) and lets fit an MWD to actually GET IN RANGE-
36 + 15 powergrid = 51 powergrid and 5 empty slots.

How do you plan to make the Kestrel move in a more desireable distance to make use of the long range bonus, if she cannot fit the means to do so?

Yea, Yea, fitting is our concern and we have to make do somehow but CCP consider the most used modules in pvp which are.
MWD for mobility
scram or long point
web if possible to assist tracking / missile tracking
damage control (everybody uses it on any boat anyway)

Or ask yourself, would a tad more powergrid break da game and be the end of the world of New Eden?

Dear CCP Fozzie,

so far so good, changes are on the way, but I like to state a tiny concern to my Kestrel with only 45 powergrid and lets do some basic math - I like math.

I have mostly been suggesting tracking bonuses because these precisely do not help at all in the big fleet stuff work where Amarr ships are best at. They help most where Amarr ships SUCK, namely dealing with smaller ships which is useful for soloing and small gang stuff. If you read the list I prepared, you would notice that I gave tracking bonuses to all ships currently considered "good" precisely for the above reason. No, the Armageddon or Oracle will not become overpowered with a tracking bonus. Fleet doctrine Zealot AHAC won't either because they already track their targets perfectly fine.

A damage bonus on the Maller, Prophecy, Legion drone & covert subsystems is not asking too much.

20% more dps on the Crusader and Retribution is not insane. We have rocket ships doing more than these nowadays. Even if you disagree, the actual bonus is something one can reasonably discuss because these ships are on the low end of the dps spectrum and they are not popular.

Nowhere have I suggested an optimal bonus. The only armor resist bonus was on the Harbinger, as suggested by CCP Ytterbium in the CSM meetings. In fact I have been very careful to not make any of the good ships noticably better at what they're already good at.

As for whether the laser cap usage bonus is THE problem, I think the Maller & Prophecy & Legion subsystems have demosntrated that very well. The cap usage bonus bonus is not good enough to make people fit lasers on these ships. So I think it's clear that there is a problem and that's why I'm posting here. I want to know what CCP has planned to do.

Armageddon is not underpowered. Its not cap stable but not under powered.

Just fitting Dual Heavy Pulse Lasers II and one heat sink with perfect skills will have the Geddon run out of cap. Lasers in general with all the buffs to Hybrids and Projectiles aren't so good that it should be okay for that to be true.

And for comparison, lets say you do fit a cap booster. Every boost you use gets you less than it does on a Hybrid because the straight cap amount needed is so much more with lasers. Oh and because Amarr have small (expensive) ammo and cargo holds, you have less cap booster charges than other ships.

Other than getting rid of the cap use bonus, what replaces it I am less concerned with as it doesn't have to be something that bonuses straight damage or damage projection. But giving Amarr two useful bonuses on their ships does seem to be fair. Or how they make that possible and balanced. They could fix all the hulls to be viable with laser cap use or just change laser cap use.

And I'm posting in this thread cause they are balancing Amarr ships that still have the cap use bonus and no one from CCP has answered any of the threads about it. (That I know of, please link me something if I'm wrong.)

First off IM glad the Tristan became the new drone boat that fits it much better.
On the other hand the navitas, will it become a middle frig? And if so will it be rehauled cause it personally doesn't look like one. And if there is not going to be a gallante middle frig ima.be disappointed.

Dear CCP Fozzie,

so far so good, changes are on the way, but I like to state a tiny concern to my Kestrel with only 45 powergrid and lets do some basic math - I like math.

Take a little look at this:

Light Missile Launcher II uses
28 CPU and
9 powergrid

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive uses
23 CPU and
15 powergrid

Nothing new here.

Now lets add some numbers:

4x9 powergrid = 36 powergrid (all very basic math here) and lets fit an MWD to actually GET IN RANGE-
36 + 15 powergrid = 51 powergrid and 5 empty slots.

How do you plan to make the Kestrel move in a more desireable distance to make use of the long range bonus, if she cannot fit the means to do so?

Yea, Yea, fitting is our concern and we have to make do somehow but CCP consider the most used modules in pvp which are.
MWD for mobility
scram or long point
web if possible to assist tracking / missile tracking
damage control (everybody uses it on any boat anyway)

Or ask yourself, would a tad more powergrid break da game and be the end of the world of New Eden?

like changes on the kestral but you do know the kestral will now fire rmissles in excess of 60k now ? perhaps even hitting 70k ? and still be capable of a top speed of over 2.4k ms

Any way we can get that drone HP changed to Drone Speed, and like... really fast speed. That way the Tristan could become a pretty gnarly anti-frig, especially anti-ceptor (t1, atron, and t2, Ares, versions)

What is it with 10% range bonuses with Caldari ships. How about 5% or 7.5%. Other races live with those sized bonuses.

BTW, is the navi going to be a kiter/sniper now?

Any way we can get that drone HP changed to Drone Speed, and like... really fast speed. That way the Tristan could become a pretty gnarly anti-frig, especially anti-ceptor (t1, atron, and t2, Ares, versions)