Fortunately, the harb in the same shield configuration as the cane can hit heavy pulses.

Oh, a cane with heavy pulse lasers outdamages a cane with autocannons at just under 23km. And it has 0 bonuses with lasers.

And even better is just how amazing lasers are at killing the new shield craze. :)

-Liang

except for t2 minmatar ships :(

Like ammo, you should be able to put drones from a cargo container or a wreck into your drone bay. Dropping a container is a slow process so it's not like you could "hot swap" drones in the middle of a fight. Solves the problems you have with resupplying drones on a roam while also keeps them from being OP and too flexible during a fight.

fozzie i never i8mplied that a 70km frigate would be any juggernaught or that they aint very nice as im olmost exclusively missles im just saying dont you think thats a little extreame especialy for a frigate. and that simply a kestral just has to operate in around the 55 mark upto around 60k max and that the kestral could beniffit from other things expecialy were something like rockets are a setup such as a shield that can take some punushment.

This, especially in faction warfare it is a real problem when you lose drones. You could even make it like onlining an ofline module requiring 100% cap level so it is almost impossible during combat. Just let me safe up and swap some drones from cargo.

Uh what solo pvp are you doing? How do you catch a kiting Drake or 100MN Tengu with your Myrmidon or Proteus? Please enlighten me.

Kestrel:
Frigate skill bonuses:
5% Bonus to Missile damage per level
10% Bonus to Missile velocity per level <-----

Breacher:
Frigate skill bonuses:
5% Bonus to Missile damage per level
7.5% Bonus to Shield boost amount per level

Why aren't we making a Gallente tech one missile frigate?:
Some of you have expressed concerns about our change of plans that will leave Gallente and Amarr without tech one missile frigates. It's true that both races have missile ships later in their tech two lines (Bombers, Khanid, Roden (kinda)) but they do not have any other tech one missile ships. We decided that the benefits of providing a missile frigate when the race does not use missiles at the tech one level was minor at best. Tech two and faction ships often require significantly more training to be effectively used, and each individual size of missiles are actually quite fast to train into. Getting new Gallente players to train rocket and light missile skills would mean that only the missile support skills would be of any use until they cross trained to another race. Giving a real droneboat option at the T1 frigate level and creating new gameplay with the Navitas were both higher priorities.
To a large extent bombers are a special snowflake when it comes to training, we have no plans to change the weapon systems that bombers use.

Can i get a 5% shield resist bonus on that kestrel instead.

I mean seriously light missiles all ready have enough range to do whatever they want and for rockets the buff is still going to keep them close enough, also being that caldari are THE slowest race, that they are going to be in brawling range anyway. I hope you'd learned how useless all these range bonuses are in the long run since the two most important ranges in pvp are 10-13km and 24-28km and anything more is sort of irrelevant.

If the breacher gets a shield bonus why cant the kestrel get one too? It would be the better bonus and actually make the caldari missile boat the better missile boat which it is supposed to be.

Can i get a 5% shield resist bonus on that kestrel instead.

I mean seriously light missiles all ready have enough range to do whatever they want and for rockets the buff is still going to keep them close enough, also being that caldari are THE slowest race, that they are going to be in brawling range anyway. I hope you'd learned how useless all these range bonuses are in the long run since the two most important ranges in pvp are 10-13km and 24-28km and anything more is sort of irrelevant.

If the breacher gets a shield bonus why cant the kestrel get one too? It would be the better bonus and actually make the caldari missile boat the better missile boat which it is supposed to be.

i agree caldari pride themselves on haveing the most advanced weapon systems of all the factions witch they pride there missles over every other race. also seing as all there ships are shield bassed ships it would imply there shield tech is better than all other empire faction ships. so why is every other empire over takeing caldari with shield tanking ships ?

So from the changes in the frigs its logical to presume that we are going to see 10% bonus to internal amour repair amount per lev applied to ships like the brutix and hyperion...

This is really awesome for small to medium sized gangs as it will give said ships a strategic advantage... but for fleet fights alas this bonus becomes moot.


As far as i understand the effectiveness comes from how the Armour is made (dense crystals)... now presumably this special amour achieves a higher re cohesion when induced with nano repair bots that are emitted by the Armour repair systems...

Now what does this have to do with a large fleet you ask?



Well a huge component of fleet warfare is Remote Repair logi ships...

The basic mechanism (nano repair bots) are emited by both internal amour repair mods and remote armour repair mods...

Logically it would make sence that the bonus that allows internal amour repair mods to be more effective per level would also work external INCOMING remote repair. (i.e. the beam from the logi ship)

what this would do is scale the bonus and make gal ships with that bonus the "go-to" fleet ships...

While I totally agree with the logic on the Gallente side, I don't follow it in terms of Amarr ships. The Amarr lineup has a lot of rocket-specialized ships in the T2s. They don't just have they (very) occasional unexpected launcher like the Gallente ships, they're specifically geared toward rockets/HAMs. If you're wanting the T1 ships to be an introduction to the race and the other ships, you really should include a ship that handles rockets. Your justification is that you wouldn't have any other ships to immediately train into, but are you not planning on rebalancing cruisers down the line as well? The lack of HAMs in the T1 lineup is an existing fault in the Amarr ships, and should be addressed rather than grandfathered in. Also, I don't consider assault frigates all that far from T1 frigates in terms of training, and a new player who loves frigates and is buying his shiny new vengeance will be shocked to learn he has none of the skills needed for its weapons.

I predict many "shoot the drones, orbit at 18km" deaths for the new tristan.

and Mechanics V (already a very priority priority for pvp pilots who want to go on to overheat their guns).

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Yeah, AFs are the easiest T2 ship in the world to train into. Prereqs: Engineering V (already a very high priority for Amarrian pilots who want to fit their ships halfway sensibly), and Mechanics V (already a very priority priority for pvp pilots who want to go on to overheat their guns). So AFs are sort of 'free'. It's quite unlike Evasive Maneuvering (already a high priority for people who want to run lowsec camps?; not that it's not a great skill) or Electronics Upgrades (already a high priority for nobody, ever).

Missile boats in the Amarr T2 lineup: Vengeance, Malediction, Heretic, Anathema, Sacrilege, Damnation, Legion (T3). Purifiers don't count. Vengeance is arguably the superior AF; Malediction is indisputably the superior Inty. There is a random launcher hardpoint on the Arbitrator, not that anybody's ever noticed.

That said, all of these ships have generous turret hardpoints. The Inquisitor wasn't a 'rocket/HAM/torp boat' like all of these; it only had generic missile bonuses, was just a clone of the Breacher.

What is this going to do to the Ishkur? Currently it's a monster because it's the only frigate that can field 5 light drones. What will happen with these new drone boats? Will the Ishkur get a damage bonus?

While there is absolutely no basis behind this thought at all, they might give it 5 medium drones, the Ishtar can field 5 large as a crusier, so why not 5 medium for the Ishkur

Hello, as theres been discussion on drones themselves and having a dev reading this thread i'll slap abit of my point of view onto this.

One of the main problems for drone usage especially for drone boats is losing your drones. Losing drones can happen rather easily and show a main drawback for drones. They can be shot down which ofcourse is understandable but on top of it, it's way too easy to lose them when disengaging.

Now fozzie also spoke of sentrys regarding tristans tracking bonus and this is the drone type that faces the "loss during disengaging" the most.

So i'll suggest that all drones be fitted with a warp drive which they can use when returning to the drone bay. Basicly working in the same way as probes at the moment, you recall drones and they warp back to your drone bay. Ofcourse those drones can be recalled to warp back in only if you're within drone control range.

This kind of change would go along way to making sentry drones from awfully awkward in pve to can use in pvp.
On top of this, you'd actually be able to get your normal drones back home without them dieing during that 30 minute flight back from chasing something.

Another change i'll advocate here is a change to current normal drones, give amarr drones the same stats as minmatar ones, ofcourse with their respective damage type, and then give caldari drones the same stats as gallente ones with their own respective damage types. Why? I have gallente and minmatar drone specs at lvl 4, caldari at lvl 1 and amarr lvl 0. This pretty much sums it up.

Now on tristan itself, looks nice, but howbout adding a speed bonus to drones also? Distinguishing it as a drone boat slightly more and giving teeth against very fast ships (this is actually something i'd like to see following onto all drone boats iin the game).

All missiles. It's a break from the usual Caldari bonuses but in this case we felt it was appropriate.