Dude you are really so pissed because the ishkur have the incursus hull?
Be happy that we will have a t1 Droneboat Frig.
We will have also a Drone destroyer SoonTM, i think new players after the tristan will upgrade to said destroyer not to a 30million isk ship.

The Celestis cruiser has 2 missle launcher hardpoints.

NO NO and again NO
i will NOT support that dicision
i am willing to support the idea where the --> Kestrel, Iquisitor, Breacher and my favorite hull-design the Tristan <--
are rocket-/light missile platforms
obviously because they are the tech 1 variations of the Covertt-Ops-Bombers
and seriously ... what is a drone tracking bonus for when u use small drones???
and as simple as that: DO NOT MAKE THEM INTO SOME OTHER STRANGE STUFF

Are you ********? It doesn't make sense, so simply put, they should fix it. It does not make ANY SENSE AT ALL. WHY THE HECK ARE YOU THINKING THIS IS A GOOD THING?

I like the drone boat thing and love the look of the new Tristan... it's just too bad it doesn't make one ******* shred of sense for the Tristan to be the Tech 1 drone boat frigate, while an Incursus hull gets to be the Tech 2 version. This is common sense that a five year old possesses, it's called a pattern, and the way they're proposing this stuff right now, that pattern is GARBAGE.

That is unless they are planning some major changes with the Gallente Assault Ships.

eve is real I was there

*ZOMGPOWNED*

GREAT STUFF

ishkur blah blah tristan blah blah nemesis blah blah incursus

words

Well you see there's a funny story about all this.

Back in YC 105 when CreoDron was beginning the design process for their new Ishkur-class Assault Ship, they naturally looked first to the (retroactively) drone-centric Tristan as a base hull. The project lead Masalle Ambrette acquired a large number of Tristan hulls for prototyping and set her team to work.
However two major technical challenges quickly arose. Roni Darieux himself had given them their design targets, and he was adamant that the new ship had to be the pinnacle of drone carrier technology. The Ishkur must be able to field a 50m3 dronebay as well as top of the line armor plating for a Frigate.
These goals proved difficult to meet using the Tristan as a base hull. Although it had the largest dronebay of any existing Frigate at the time the Tristan's hull layout did not allow for easy expansion of the already significant bay. In particular, the port side bulkhead quickly lost structural integrity when the internal supports were scaled back in order to expand the bay. Attempts to meet the armor plating requirements also ran into difficulties as the Tristan thruster systems struggled to keep up under the heavier load. The classic thruster pod design of the Tristan hull did not provide easy expansion room to upgrade the thrusters either.
After numerous failures in the prototyping process the CreoDron team decided to change course and build the Ishkur using a completely different hull. They eventually settled on the Incursus hull as the next logical choice. Although the Incursus did not have the same base dronebay that the Tristan offered, it was more easily modified and the conversion from the Incursus' advanced armor repair systems to the Ishkur's superior resistance and plating systems proceeded relatively smoothly. As a bonus, the team was able to carry over the Incursus' superior hybrid weapon damage boosting technology and create another strong selling point for their new Assault Ship.
Although the Ishkur project resulted in what would prove to be an extremely successful ship (in both direct ship sales and additional profits from increased use of CreoDron's advanced drone portfolio), Masalle Ambrette was left afterwards with thousands of mangled Tristan hulls that had failed the prototyping process. In order to recoup some of the development costs, CreoDron sold the hulls cheap as scrap to the highest bidder.

They say one woman's trash is another woman's treasure, and when CreoDron put the 'scrap' onto the market one smart scientist saw a diamond in the rough. Ruborraude Eyghelet, a rising star at Duvolle Laboratories, had just been recently put in charge of a top secret development project on contract from the Federation Navy. Her team was designing what would eventually come to be known as the Nemesis stealth bomber, a dramatic departure from normal Gallente battle doctrines that would help keep them competitive in the battlefields of the future. Eyghelet knew that the Nemesis would need to be a radical departure from previous frigate designs, but building a new hull design completely from scratch would take a portion of her limited budget that she could not afford to lose. When the report of the mangled Tristan fire-sale crossed her desk she immediately saw an opportunity to cut her costs.
The damaged Tristan hulls were reformed into a barely recognizable state during the prototyping process to accommodate the battleship sized missile launchers and bomb deployment system, with only the iconic front plating remaining to visually connect it to the frigate it had once been. The dronebay was converted into a bomb and missile storage bay, and the Duvolle team also managed to ingeniously convert the advanced tracking computer on the Tristan into an efficient missile guidance system. In the end Duvolle and Eyghelet managed to create the Nemesis while keeping costs down to only 14% overbudget, easily beating the market predictions and sending Duvolle stock to the highest it had reached in years.

It just goes to prove that the world of spaceship construction is more complicated and fascinating than any of us would expect.

Nerd.

Well you see there's a funny story about all this.

Back in YC 105 when CreoDron was beginning ....

story

These goals proved difficult to meet using the Tristan as a base hull. Although it had the largest dronebay of any existing Frigate at the time the Tristan's hull layout did not allow for easy expansion of the already significant bay.

....
It just goes to prove that the world of spaceship construction is more complicated and fascinating than any of us would expect.

Nerd.

PS: Might even have prevented the Winmatar Online syndrome Eve has struggled with for a few years as there is no way in hell a backwards people living in tribes/caves as glorified hunter gatherers and whose only manufactured good is duct tape could ever be better than everyone at the same time

Well you see there's a funny story about all this.

Back in YC 105 when CreoDron was beginning the design process for their new Ishkur-class Assault Ship, they naturally looked first to the (retroactively) drone-centric Tristan as a base hull. The project lead Masalle Ambrette acquired a large number of Tristan hulls for prototyping and set her team to work.
However two major technical challenges quickly arose. Roni Darieux himself had given them their design targets, and he was adamant that the new ship had to be the pinnacle of drone carrier technology. The Ishkur must be able to field a 50m3 dronebay as well as top of the line armor plating for a Frigate.
These goals proved difficult to meet using the Tristan as a base hull. Although it had the largest dronebay of any existing Frigate at the time the Tristan's hull layout did not allow for easy expansion of the already significant bay. In particular, the port side bulkhead quickly lost structural integrity when the internal supports were scaled back in order to expand the bay. Attempts to meet the armor plating requirements also ran into difficulties as the Tristan thruster systems struggled to keep up under the heavier load. The classic thruster pod design of the Tristan hull did not provide easy expansion room to upgrade the thrusters either.
After numerous failures in the prototyping process the CreoDron team decided to change course and build the Ishkur using a completely different hull. They eventually settled on the Incursus hull as the next logical choice. Although the Incursus did not have the same base dronebay that the Tristan offered, it was more easily modified and the conversion from the Incursus' advanced armor repair systems to the Ishkur's superior resistance and plating systems proceeded relatively smoothly. As a bonus, the team was able to carry over the Incursus' superior hybrid weapon damage boosting technology and create another strong selling point for their new Assault Ship.
Although the Ishkur project resulted in what would prove to be an extremely successful ship (in both direct ship sales and additional profits from increased use of CreoDron's advanced drone portfolio), Masalle Ambrette was left afterwards with thousands of mangled Tristan hulls that had failed the prototyping process. In order to recoup some of the development costs, CreoDron sold the hulls cheap as scrap to the highest bidder.

They say one woman's trash is another woman's treasure, and when CreoDron put the 'scrap' onto the market one smart scientist saw a diamond in the rough. Ruborraude Eyghelet, a rising star at Duvolle Laboratories, had just been recently put in charge of a top secret development project on contract from the Federation Navy. Her team was designing what would eventually come to be known as the Nemesis stealth bomber, a dramatic departure from normal Gallente battle doctrines that would help keep them competitive in the battlefields of the future. Eyghelet knew that the Nemesis would need to be a radical departure from previous frigate designs, but building a new hull design completely from scratch would take a portion of her limited budget that she could not afford to lose. When the report of the mangled Tristan fire-sale crossed her desk she immediately saw an opportunity to cut her costs.
The damaged Tristan hulls were reformed into a barely recognizable state during the prototyping process to accommodate the battleship sized missile launchers and bomb deployment system, with only the iconic front plating remaining to visually connect it to the frigate it had once been. The dronebay was converted into a bomb and missile storage bay, and the Duvolle team also managed to ingeniously convert the advanced tracking computer on the Tristan into an efficient missile guidance system. In the end Duvolle and Eyghelet managed to create the Nemesis while keeping costs down to only 14% overbudget, easily beating the market predictions and sending Duvolle stock to the highest it had reached in years.

It just goes to prove that the world of spaceship construction is more complicated and fascinating than any of us would expect.

Wow, not even a smiley to go with that .. easy to see who the new guy is around the office

It actually presents an interesting not to mention beneficial-for-Eve idea:
What if, all major changes to the overt part of the game (ie. not the server side mojo) had to be accompanied by a small (not as long winded as the one from nerd-trying-to-impress, aka. Fozzie mind you ) "Eve lore integration" blurp?
Would help you evolve the horribly stagnant story part of Eve, would help you identify people who could be hijacked to write stories for release but most importantly it would effectively force any changes to be thought of in-context/in-game (ie. not just as spreadsheet numbers) and hopefully make QA's jobs a little easier as most glaringly broken items never make it that far (looking at you ASB!).

PS: Might even have prevented the Winmatar Online syndrome Eve has struggled with for a few years as there is no way in hell a backwards people living in tribes/caves as glorified hunter gatherers and whose only manufactured good is duct tape could ever be better than everyone at the same time

I'm confused about the Kestrel bonuses changes. The Kestrel already has a 5 percent damage bonus to all missile types. It looks like the only changes to the bonuses is they're replacing the 10 percent kinetic damage bonus with a 10 percent velocity bonus... wait you're reducing damage and adding range to a weapon that already has extreme range for a frigate... Unless you make the bonus apply to rockets it's worthless IMO... Hint hint CCP. A rocket bonus would make it a really sweet PVP ship.

I do like some of the changes to shield HP etc though.

Well to the ships. I did try the frigs yesterday.. Although i was deeply disappointed i didn't get to blow fozzie up at all.

I must say after those tests that i really like the breacher, I think it is a bit worse than the incursus but still very good in its own right. Its dps is rather **** though.

The Kestrel i never had any interest in since its a kiting frig not a combat frig.

But the tristan is the one i wanted most but ended up not really liking. Its not that its bad, its just not nearly as good as other frigs out there. It needs a four slot tank. As it is it has less low slots than the incursus and no tank bonus so it ends up being pretty damn weak in comparison.

The tristan was nice, and so was the breacher, the kestrel (for long range setups) might need a little more cpu

Let me explain:

The tristan has its flexibility both in armor or shiled setups and range with guns and drones to make it as a well versed all round combat ship, suitable both for PvP and PvE

The breacher brings in another condor like ship, with slightly different damage / speed / tank ratios, and this one i would really love to see an assault version of. This ship could become the next classical example of utelizing different strengths and weaknesses in the TII lineup if the breacher was made an assault ship vs the crow as an interceptor.

The caldari already have a good brawler, and a good fast ship so i tried to see the kestrel in action as a mid to long range combat frigate, as its bonus to missile range suggests

I wanted to fit (TII fitted) 4 launchers, a mwd, a remote sensor damp, a long range point, a sensor booster, and 2 bcu's but even with 3 cpu rigs, i could not do this. I can dump the bcu's for tracking enhancers or overdrives to make it fit, but without the tracking enhancers update for missiles implemented at this point, i can't determine if the damage to range ratio suits me. Also the fact that you don't have the option to choose concerns me.

In the tristan i could get a mwd, medium shield extender, point, some guns, 2 drone damage, and an overdrive on there, and with skills i would have over 170 dps at 60 km more speed and a gigantic buffer compared with the kestrel, wich i had at nearly 110 dps 59 km range with 2 bcu's

So give a kestreal a slight cpu buf plz