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Samahiel Sotken
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.09.10 20:49:00 -
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Really there are a number of techniques, easy to implement, and inexpensive to maintain that would make the jobs of us pirates much more difficult. But, seeing as the greater part of my income currently depends on dumb freighter pilots I won't go into details. I refuse to go back to ratting Guristas. |
Maki Osa
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.10 21:07:00 -
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Some dumbasses put their freighters on autopilot, and now we have to hear how it is 'breaking the game'?
High sec is safer, not safe. Pirates simply have to adjust their bottom line in considering risk vs. return. The whole point in EVE is that you can do what you want, provided you are willing to deal with the consequences. |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
295
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Posted - 2012.09.10 21:08:00 -
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Sugar Kyle wrote:Because OP does not like something it will destroy the game. OP, you have great power. Also, how dare a 0.0 alliance enter high sec. Some of us never left after burn jita.
Nullsec Alliances need Highsec. We buy all of our stuff here and export it out. Some of us grind missions for standings, some of us have production alts, some of us have secret fun here.
Highsec and Nullsec are symbiotic.
Now saying that, we killed 620bil in freighters/jump freighters/cargo over the last 31 days. |
Samahiel Sotken
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.09.10 21:11:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Pardon, my bad. Civilian crew of commercial vessels have always been restricted from carrying firearms onboard their vessels, and until recently these restrictions defacto included "hired security personnel"... however this policy seems to be changing in recent times (as of last year or so). This approach is still under intense criticism and restriction by many port cities that are concerned with the weaponry coming into their ports. On the other hand, may of these private defense companies charge enough for their services that they simply drop their armament overboard when approaching a highly restricted port and manage to aquire fresh armament when they leave.
I know I was being needlessly pedantic, and I apologize. I just wanted to point out that despite criticism, territorial maritime laws, general advisability, and the preference of insurance companies it is not a violation of international maritime law.
Either way, as an active high sec pirate, I oppose any private security corporations as I feel they would needlessly escalate potentially violent confrontations, create legal confusion in already complex territorial disputes (low sec), and contribute to the an unacceptable increase in armaments in the public spaceways. We live in a society founded upon laws, gentlemen. Laws enforced by the judicious and rigorous actions of CONCORD, and to allow such mercenary actions would jeopardize the very bedrock of our civilization (and my bottom line, seriously how did you let us raid 620billion? We're terrible at this game). |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9434
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Posted - 2012.09.10 21:12:00 -
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Powers Sa wrote:Now saying that, we killed 620bil in freighters/jump freighters/cargo over the last 31 days. I'm sorry. You didn't phrase that in the form of ISK/h, so you are obviously an impostor that doesn't live in highsec at all, so there!
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1621
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Posted - 2012.09.10 21:21:00 -
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Powers Sa wrote:Now saying that, we killed 620bil in freighters/jump freighters/cargo over the last 31 days. Learning a bit more everyday why goons are so universally hated.
It's not griefing It's "emergent gameplay". "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9436
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Posted - 2012.09.10 21:23:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:It's not griefing It's "emergent gameplay". Certainly more the latter than the former, that's for sure, especially if all they're doing is blowing up ships.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
586
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Posted - 2012.09.10 21:28:00 -
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Mohamad Transporte wrote:just few minutes ago... Goons has destroyed 4 freighters in high sec (u can check eve-kill.net), total drop worth 21.5 billion isk!!!
21.5 Billion isk people!!!!
that beats 10/10 DED, FW Missions and incursions all together!!
if u want all alliances to leave their 0.0 systems and just go fun terrorizing high sec and earn money for that... stay cool about it CCP... as it will destroy the game
u gave protection for miners... its time for freighters/ JF revamp... 4 of them smells like inside information and freighter flying with several billions around unescorted good job of them and stupid freighter pilots I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
656
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Posted - 2012.09.10 21:31:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Powers Sa wrote:Now saying that, we killed 620bil in freighters/jump freighters/cargo over the last 31 days. Learning a bit more everyday why goons are so universally hated. It's not griefing It's "emergent gameplay". You're right, you should be allowed to move billions of ISK of assets in your cargo anywhere you want in highsec in absolute safety without doing anything to defend yourself. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Jonah Gravenstein
1158
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Posted - 2012.09.10 21:43:00 -
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Samahiel Sotken wrote: seriously how did you let us raid 620billion? We're terrible at this game.
They're worse than you but still better than TEST
CCP can't patch stupid. |
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Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
150
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Posted - 2012.09.10 21:46:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Jim Hazard wrote:Yes.. it is totally destroying eve... ganking in high sec has always been around and still the game kept growing every year. If the freighter pilots carry around enough cargo so that it is worth suiciding them it is their own fault.
You might as well ask for an ibis to be buffed to 1 million EHP because one guy thought its smart to undock in a rookie ship with plexs worth 60 billions or how much it was.
In the end if you buff freighters most likely you will only make suicide ganking more profitable as people will feel a lot more secure and will carry around even more in their cargo holds. Those freighter pilots could also set an escort fleet and take care of their business but no, they rather play alone with their dozen alts scouting systems and then cry their millions HP hull got gank with several dozens times the ship value in their cargo. Gank mining barges with destroyers is silly, really really mongoloid game play. Gank freighters it's serious business and only serious gankers can afford to know when and how to do it, I see no problem here. "Ganking was never intended to be profitable" Oh dear, morons who carry far too much stuff make ganking profitable. Better nerf ganking
Ganking is fine, nerf profiting. It is the greatest inequality to try to make unequal things equal. |
Mallak Azaria
606
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Posted - 2012.09.10 21:50:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Jim Hazard wrote:Yes.. it is totally destroying eve... ganking in high sec has always been around and still the game kept growing every year. If the freighter pilots carry around enough cargo so that it is worth suiciding them it is their own fault.
You might as well ask for an ibis to be buffed to 1 million EHP because one guy thought its smart to undock in a rookie ship with plexs worth 60 billions or how much it was.
In the end if you buff freighters most likely you will only make suicide ganking more profitable as people will feel a lot more secure and will carry around even more in their cargo holds. Those freighter pilots could also set an escort fleet and take care of their business but no, they rather play alone with their dozen alts scouting systems and then cry their millions HP hull got gank with several dozens times the ship value in their cargo. Gank mining barges with destroyers is silly, really really mongoloid game play. Gank freighters it's serious business and only serious gankers can afford to know when and how to do it, I see no problem here. "Ganking was never intended to be profitable" Oh dear, morons who carry far too much stuff make ganking profitable. Better nerf ganking Ganking is fine, nerf profiting.
People make themselves profitable targets. You can't really fix this.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9436
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Posted - 2012.09.10 21:51:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:Ganking is fine, nerf profiting. Profit is fine, nerf people thinking their stupidity is a systemic error.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
42
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Posted - 2012.09.10 22:13:00 -
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If there was a freighter buff, haulers would just ride the risk limit of that buff, and it would just end up like nothing happened at all. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1454
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Posted - 2012.09.10 22:13:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Samahiel Sotken wrote: seriously how did you let us raid 620billion? We're terrible at this game. They're worse than you but still better than TEST How many of those freighters were from TEST. I really do wonder, though they might also use NPC corp alts. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Jonah Gravenstein
1167
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Posted - 2012.09.10 22:15:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Samahiel Sotken wrote: seriously how did you let us raid 620billion? We're terrible at this game. They're worse than you but still better than TEST How many of those freighters were from TEST. I really do wonder, though they might also use NPC corp alts.
I was being facetious
CCP can't patch stupid. |
KarmaHotelLobby
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.09.10 22:32:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:Im sorry dude, but freighter pilots need to be more carefull. Niarja is well known gank heaven. I never transport more than 1-2B in freighter (at least not through Niarja and peak times).
Nobody is going to gank for less than 4b.
If you are going to transport more than that, don't go through consistent ganking locations, do scout ahead, web yourself with a heavily tanked ship.
If it is small and valuable take it in an orca.
Personally though, I'd break it into packages of less than 3b and move it in parts. Risk management is a large part of eve - designed that way. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
656
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Posted - 2012.09.10 22:37:00 -
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Why does the webbing ship have to be heavily tanked? http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9437
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Posted - 2012.09.10 22:43:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Why does the webbing ship have to be heavily tanked? Because it becomes an obvious target if they're really out to get you: nuke the thing that lets you gtfo and then take on the sitting duck? Granted, they'll have to do that beforehand, or it'll be able to do its job one last time, at which point the actual target should be clever enough to dock up, but stillGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
656
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Posted - 2012.09.10 22:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Why does the webbing ship have to be heavily tanked? Because it becomes an obvious target if they're really out to get you: nuke the thing that lets you gtfo and then take on the sitting duck? It just seems to me like the webbing ship is a target of such low consequence that nobody's going to bother getting their ganking ships blown up over it.
Then again a frigate would take just a handful of volleys from a destroyer... http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9437
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Posted - 2012.09.10 22:52:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:It just seems to me like the webbing ship is a target of such low consequence that nobody's going to bother getting their ganking ships blown up over it.
Then again a frigate would take just a handful of volleys from a destroyer... True enough. It also gives your target a bit of fore-warning and summons CONCORD a bit earlier, so it'll be very behaviour-dependent: if they've displayed some pretty sloppy behaviour then it just might be worth it to get rid of that layer of protection.
GǪand depending on what ship it is, it may in and of itself be a nice addition to the killmailGǪ eh, I mean loot pile. I have seen freighter-slinging ships sporting high-meta webs in the past just to get a bit more range or (back in the day) more webbing power, because hey, they're not the target, right? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.09.10 23:08:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:Ganking is fine, nerf profiting.
You know if you carry less than about 3 or 4 billion you can do this yourself right? Stop being so stupid.
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Lord Regent
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
3
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Posted - 2012.09.10 23:16:00 -
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The tears are just flowing like glacial melt water in this thread.
Pubbies need to grow up. If you don't like risk, the threat of death around every corner, and the possibility to lose everything you were stupid enough to put into your spaceship
WHY
ARE
YOU
PLAYING
EVE
?
(WOW is exactly what you're looking for)
Highsec pubbies completely lose perspective on the game. Destruction fuels the very same industry they are supporting.
If no one killed stuff, nothing would need replacing.
No 1 million gazillion shields in highsec for you. No warnings, double warnings, second chances, third chances. Grow up. Stop being mindless auto-piloting fools.
No wait, please don't.
You are only safe in a station. When you undock with your wares, you expose yourself to others. If you want to completely avoid this risk, just stay docked and skill train or something, and chat.
It is the very same uncertainty, danger, risk, and potential for reward you are suggesting be removed that makes the game so wonderfully entertaining.
If you cannot accept risk, don't play a game where risk such a fundamental component. Sincerely,-á Lord Regent. |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
295
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Posted - 2012.09.10 23:20:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Funny I thought Lord Zim said the only Goons in High sec were moth breathers and subsequently war decs would not effect them.
Hmm I would recommend you learn your place, considering the only trips you make into highsec are too and from market hubs and your wormhole. http://i.imgur.com/85JJl.png You've been in 5 corps since my highsec crew started our work. We have our own hilarious standards. The fact that you have to cower in a wormhole as a result of highsec diaspora is proof enough. ((soz m8))
Paul Oliver wrote:Powers Sa wrote:Now saying that, we killed 620bil in freighters/jump freighters/cargo over the last 31 days. Learning a bit more everyday why goons are so universally hated. It's not griefing It's "emergent gameplay". I'm sorry sir if you think we are just warping in and pressing shoot.
A great deal of effort and work goes into this. We have a production team to keep us in ships. We started the gank fest with a 1bil investment. The cost of the gank usually mirrors the cost of the freighter hull, unlike miners who can be owned by 2 destroyers at a fraction of the cost. Lots of coordination is required on the production, scanning, bumping, hauling, salvaging, market clearing, and ultimately execution. These strikes are surgical. It is a gamble every time that we execute one of these ganks, and we have a risk/reward formula that we use to ensure that our ganks are free until the end of time.
Every one of our gankers gets a free ship because our previous ganks (seed of 1bil) fund future ganks. This is a playstyle. If you autopilot in a freighter, you die. If you cruise around with 10bil worth of stuff and don't double-wrap, you die. To clarify, 4 different freighter pilots have died to us TWICE within 30 days (some within 48hours) because they failed to evolve. Mind your surroundings. Be more cautious, hell even be smart. We kill individuals who lack this capacity. Several people have slipped through our fingers by using just a modicum of intelligence. Poetic Stanziel wrote a great piece on how not to be dumb when you have expensive stuff to move. Always use collateral. General Freight cans exist for a reason. If you are a dumb and lazy freighter pilot, chances are you will die if you move through a tradehub pipe.
When you are the very best at something, you take pride in it. How many of you can say you are the best at something? |
KarmaHotelLobby
Aliastra Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.09.10 23:28:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tippia wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Why does the webbing ship have to be heavily tanked? Because it becomes an obvious target if they're really out to get you: nuke the thing that lets you gtfo and then take on the sitting duck? It just seems to me like the webbing ship is a target of such low consequence that nobody's going to bother getting their ganking ships blown up over it. Then again a frigate would take just a handful of volleys from a destroyer...
For a 10b isk freighter, blowing up the webber is a ******* great idea. One can do this whilst also pointing the freighter so it doesn't warp.
Once the webber is blown up it is simply a challenge to pull 1 group of concord and gank before the freighter can warp. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9438
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Posted - 2012.09.10 23:38:00 -
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And since we're giving away tips to the terminally unteachable, I'll throw in my standard latecomer addition:
Since we now have auto-dock and corp bookmarks, have one of your scouts run ahead to the station you're docking in and snuggle riiiiight up against the hull of that station. Not Gǣwarp to zeroGǥ, but many many km beyond thatGǪ and bookmark that spot for the corp.
When the freighter comes out of the gate, don't warp to the station. Instead, set it as your destination and warp to the newly made bookmark (and if it's a station you indent to come back to, keep it around for later). Once you've started warping, activate autopilot and kick back. For a normal highsec station, you will arrive somewhere 20GÇô40km inside of docking range rather than -¦2.5km away from it; you will dock instantly when coming out of warp; if, by the strangest happenstance, you get a second of exposure between warp invulnerability and docking invulnerability, you will be faaaaar away from awaiting ganking ships and bumping frigates and whatever else might be in store for you. If someone set up a classic casual smartbomb gank on the normal landing spotGǪ well, hey, you're not even going there so lol@them. Yes, you will most likely bump off the station, but since you are already cleared for docking and half-way through a session change by then, it doesn't matter.
GǪoh, and while your making those last few warps, that scout can take the opportunity to set up a nice insta for when you want to undock and toss it in with the warp-in bookmark in the proper corp folder. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
301
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Posted - 2012.09.10 23:40:00 -
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TLDR there are enough dumb people in this game that a few can stand to lose a little bit for their errors in judgement. We have nullsec FC's who lose whole fleets for their idiocy and errors in judgement. |
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
679
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Posted - 2012.09.10 23:51:00 -
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4 freighters with 20bil in loot means 4 idiots had at least 5bil inside a freighter. either A make multiple trips B sell it somewhere else and buy it back somewhere C go right after downtime and have a scout see if there is a gank camp. |
AdmiralJohn
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
70
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Posted - 2012.09.10 23:52:00 -
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Wait wait I have a solution.
People are saying that you can't retaliate to ganker in high sec. The obvious answer is that it should be much easier to PvP in high-sec. You could retaliate, or even strike preemptively, but Concord is holding you down!
I say it's time we all rally to have Concord step out permanently. This will at once get rid of ganking, and allow people to protect their assets preemptively. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1633
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Posted - 2012.09.10 23:56:00 -
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Powers Sa wrote:TLDR there are enough dumb people in this game that a few can stand to lose a little bit for their errors in judgement. We have nullsec FC's who lose whole fleets for their idiocy and errors in judgement. You lost my attention when you started bragging about being good at a video game and calling other people dumb. That and your smug avatar really makes me wanna punch you.
I'm done with this topic, it seems that all it has to offer are a bunch of holier than thou null jockeys trying to **** in the highsec cheerios because they've made their own part of the sanbox a bore. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
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