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Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2754
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:29:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Yokai mines in rookie systems, there is no level of safety powerful enough for him
I rarely undock, I hang out in rookie systems to help rookies by giving away isk/ships. Perhaps you should get your information correct instead of just going by what that one obsessed goon says. :) |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2754
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:30:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote: So simply don't allow cargo expanders to be able to be fit to freighters. Though they will make themselves even slower and more easy of a target so...that only hurts the ones who choose not to fit a tank.
GǪor, much simpler, just accept that the tank is inherent in the ship and that it doesn't particularly need any more. If you have to start changing things that aren't related to the problem you're trying to solve, chances are that the problem is more invented than real. Freighters have a massive tank as it is. The solution is to make use of it and not strain it by trying to protect more than it can protect.
You're right. :) |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:30:00 -
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Samahiel Sotken wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Then why not go and do something nobody has done before: gank fully tanked Damnation in 1.0 system.
I'm sorry, I'm running high sec interdiction on enemy logistics in two nullsec wars, flying in regularly nullsec fleet ops, running a nullsec PI setup and a High Sec manufacturing operation, ganking hulks, helping destroy more than 620 billion in freighters, still getting into small gang PVP brawls regularly, while ratting to keep my sec status up, and all on three characters on one account that is less than a year old. Are you not entertained?
Thats it, now I not only feel like a noob but a slacking one too. |
Ghazu
164
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:35:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Yokai mines in rookie systems, there is no level of safety powerful enough for him I rarely undock, I hang out in rookie systems to help rookies by giving away isk/ships. Perhaps you should get your information correct instead of just going by what that one obsessed goon says. :) You do mine there. Leave. Also putting forth your opinions anecdotal analogies and emotes without any coherent arguments is well, dumb. |
Samahiel Sotken
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:35:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote: Thats it, now I not only feel like a noob but a slacking one too.
Honestly, I wouldn't be able to do it without the infrastructure, support, and knowledge of my alliance mates in the CFC. Say what you will about us goons, but we treat our newbies very well and are very good at showing them the ropes. |
Samahiel Sotken
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:41:00 -
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unloadedx16 wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14561092
It took 6 Talos to gank a Freighter in highsec 0.5. That's less than half the cost of the Freighter. I mean I'm all for ganks and stuff guys but even in 0.5 that seems a bit unreasonable to me. A ship with no fitting slots with a sole purpose of transporting goods should be able to tank at least it's own hulls worth of ganker isk.
Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? Why does this community always rushes to such fast conclusions on things without even taking the time to look at the evidence. Sometimes slight balance changes are needed people.
While I feel freighters should be a bit more flexible to create strategy and uncertainty, yes you are the only one seeing something wrong there. The freighter pilot had several options at their disposal to avoid that situation, and in fact several of his compatriots made it safely to their destination. Undoubtedly they appreciated the increased profits created by the demand he could not fill.
Also you're underestimating the cost of the fully fit Talos which would have had to be T2 with good skills to be successful with those numbers. |
Ghazu
164
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:42:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Samahiel Sotken wrote:this is why we all joined after watching all those trailers Then why not go and do something nobody has done before: gank fully tanked Damnation in 1.0 system. I've been trying but can't seem to scan any that's blinged out enough to worth the :effort: |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2757
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:43:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Yokai mines in rookie systems, there is no level of safety powerful enough for him I rarely undock, I hang out in rookie systems to help rookies by giving away isk/ships. Perhaps you should get your information correct instead of just going by what that one obsessed goon says. :) You do mine there. Leave. Also putting forth your opinions anecdotal analogies and emotes without any coherent arguments is well, dumb.
Come to the system and see how often I mine... getting tired of listening to how wrong your information is. I expected more from you...but you've let me down :( Your obsession with me is flattering though :) |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:44:00 -
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Samahiel Sotken wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: Thats it, now I not only feel like a noob but a slacking one too.
Honestly, I wouldn't be able to do it without the infrastructure, support, and knowledge of my alliance mates in the CFC. Say what you will about us goons, but we treat our newbies very well and are very good at showing them the ropes.
Your reps seems to be blowns out of proportion yes. At least accourding the the very few discussion I had with people from your side of the fence. Human ressources division are even helpfull to outsiders. A damn shame you are all put into a basked of terrible person.
On topic : How often does it need to be repeated? If you carry over a certain treshold of value, you become a good target. The cargo hold of freighter is big because some stuff are bulky. It does not mean anything you can fit inside of it is supposed to be secure in high sec. Should I go around hauling 12k m3 worth of T2 BPO because they fit in my **** fit badger 2? It fit and I am in high sec right? |
Ghazu
164
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:55:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Ghazu wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Yokai mines in rookie systems, there is no level of safety powerful enough for him I rarely undock, I hang out in rookie systems to help rookies by giving away isk/ships. Perhaps you should get your information correct instead of just going by what that one obsessed goon says. :) You do mine there. Leave. Also putting forth your opinions anecdotal analogies and emotes without any coherent arguments is well, dumb. Come to the system and see how often I mine... getting tired of listening to how wrong your information is. I expected more from you...but you've let me down :( Your obsession with me is flattering though :) Yeah, your posting is that bad, but fascinating. Stay out of the rookie systems do you understand? |
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Agent Akari
Hobo Industries Inc
32
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Posted - 2012.09.11 15:58:00 -
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You guys have failed the escort mission, the freighter pilot failed the courier mission and the offensive team succeeded the mission.
Try the mission again but this time get more intel and use a good escort/scout team. |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2759
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:10:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Ghazu wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Yokai mines in rookie systems, there is no level of safety powerful enough for him I rarely undock, I hang out in rookie systems to help rookies by giving away isk/ships. Perhaps you should get your information correct instead of just going by what that one obsessed goon says. :) You do mine there. Leave. Also putting forth your opinions anecdotal analogies and emotes without any coherent arguments is well, dumb. Come to the system and see how often I mine... getting tired of listening to how wrong your information is. I expected more from you...but you've let me down :( Your obsession with me is flattering though :) Stay out of the rookie systems do you understand?
lol :) |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.11 16:32:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:I've been trying but can't seem to scan any that's blinged out enough to worth the :effort:
It's worth it. Especially if you buy those Nados from me. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2109
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:26:00 -
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The levels of self entitalment by the superbears in this thread is horrible, especially given how easy it is to avoid being blown up. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:especially given how easy it is to avoid being blown up.
Ever tried to warp away in a freighter that's been webbed and scrambled? |
baltec1
Bat Country
2109
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:34:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Ever tried to warp away in a freighter that's been webbed and scrambled?
Nope. But then again my frieghter never carriers enough to be worth ganking |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:46:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:especially given how easy it is to avoid being blown up. Ever tried to warp away in a freighter that's been webbed and scrambled? You don't really need thatt as was proved already in the OP gank report. The freighter was bumped away from the gate and them more time so it would never be able to finish aligning to any warpable location. You are just not running away at the speed a freighter can go by slowboating faster than the cruiser so a web is not really usefull. |
Samahiel Sotken
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.09.11 17:48:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:especially given how easy it is to avoid being blown up. Ever tried to warp away in a freighter that's been webbed and scrambled?
Pirates almost never scram a freighter as all that does is summon CONCORD early. Without scrams, webs make you align and enter warp faster so they're actually a benefit, and a quite common defensive tactic. You really don't know what you're talking about do you? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4665
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Posted - 2012.09.11 18:18:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Samahiel Sotken wrote:this is why we all joined after watching all those trailers Then why not go and do something nobody has done before: gank fully tanked Damnation in 1.0 system.
Alright, go to Amarr and undock a fully tanked Damnation with 30 PLEX in the hold and see how long you last. please leave |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2012.09.11 18:23:00 -
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Andski wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Samahiel Sotken wrote:this is why we all joined after watching all those trailers Then why not go and do something nobody has done before: gank fully tanked Damnation in 1.0 system. Alright, go to Amarr and undock a fully tanked Damnation with 30 PLEX in the hold and see how long you last.
Isn't that only 15 bill in cargo? The freighter had 21 no? |
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Samahiel Sotken
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.09.11 18:44:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote: Then why not go and do something nobody has done before: gank fully tanked Damnation in 1.0 system.
Does a Sleipnir in a 0.9 count? Cause we got that ******* twice in as many days. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13909488 http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13932803
(yes I know we didn't alpha him, and had the luxury of a war dec. I just like those mails cause he was dumb.) |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
173
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Posted - 2012.09.11 19:32:00 -
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Samahiel Sotken wrote:Does a Sleipnir in a 0.9 count? Cause we got that ******* twice in as many days.
PvE fit and not enough EHP. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
90
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Posted - 2012.09.11 19:40:00 -
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Mohamad Transporte wrote:just few minutes ago... Goons has destroyed 4 freighters in high sec (u can check eve-kill.net), total drop worth 21.5 billion isk!!!
21.5 Billion isk people!!!!
that beats 10/10 DED, FW Missions and incursions all together!!
if u want all alliances to leave their 0.0 systems and just go fun terrorizing high sec and earn money for that... stay cool about it CCP... as it will destroy the game
u gave protection for miners... its time for freighters/ JF revamp...
This rage is meaningless with also citing the costs of the gank. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
664
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Posted - 2012.09.11 19:48:00 -
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unloadedx16 wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14561092
It took 6 Talos to gank a Freighter in highsec 0.5. That's less than half the cost of the Freighter. I mean I'm all for ganks and stuff guys but even in 0.5 that seems a bit unreasonable to me. A ship with no fitting slots with a sole purpose of transporting goods should be able to tank at least it's own hulls worth of ganker isk.
Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? Why does this community always rushes to such fast conclusions on things without even taking the time to look at the evidence. Sometimes slight balance changes are needed people. Oh hey look, someone else who bases their argument on "cost should = tank".
Please note how if I mission in highsec with a Tengu fitted for fighting against Guristas and I maximize my DPS by fitting BCS with no damage control, I have literally 0% EM and 50% explosive resist. This comes out to about 13k EHP vs. EMP ammo.
4 gank fit thrashers could easy take this down. We're talking about a setup here that's less than a twentieth the cost of the ship. This isn't a rare exception either, there are indeed Tengus doing this, as well as other expensive ships flying about with resist holes doing missions. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1708
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:30:00 -
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ccp why can't I fit plex to my ship slots? |
Samahiel Sotken
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:41:00 -
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The final rub of it all is that the adversity other players supply gives your accomplishments meaning, and your fortune value. Without the infuriating, the evolving, and the unpredictable nature of non-consensual PVP then PVE is reduced to a well decorated Skinner box of route behaviors in which you are forced to push buttons for virtual food pellets. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9452
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:56:00 -
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unloadedx16 wrote:http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14561092
It took 6 Talos to gank a Freighter in highsec 0.5. That's less than half the cost of the Freighter. In other worss, it's working very nicely.
Quote: I mean I'm all for ganks and stuff guys but even in 0.5 that seems a bit unreasonable to me. Indeed. It really shouldn't be that expensive. After all, my 7bn JF only requires 1.5bn or so worth of ships GÇö that's a 5:1 ratio, which is much more reasonable, if still a bit on the low side.
Quote: Am I the only one who sees something wrong here? Why does this community always rushes to such fast conclusions on things without even taking the time to look at the evidence.. The evidence points toweards the pilot being stupid. This problem is not a matter of balance. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Buck Futz
Suddenly Violence Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
76
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Posted - 2012.09.11 20:57:00 -
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I'm still trying to figure out why Jorma is so obsessed with gankers wasting their ISK ganking Combat ships with ridiculous buffers. Is he saying, "Gank that, and then I'll be impressed?" Why, because that is 'fair'? You really aren't making any sense at all.
I mean, if we want to speculate on pointless activities, why not just figure out how many Tornados it takes to bring down the Veldnaught. At least that would be worthy of a mention on themittani.com, the hottest source for current EVE news and information.
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Samahiel Sotken
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:17:00 -
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Buck Futz wrote:I mean, if we want to speculate on pointless activities, why not just figure out how many Tornados it takes to bring down the Veldnaught. At least that would be worthy of a mention on themittani.com, the hottest source for current EVE news and information.
Chribba is such a nice guy that even we didn't gank him when he flew through one of our instalocking gate camp on the amar-agil pipe.
I see you guys aren't as sentimental http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9116014 |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1708
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Posted - 2012.09.11 21:21:00 -
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Samahiel Sotken wrote:The final rub of it all is that the adversity other players supply gives your accomplishments meaning, and your fortune value. Without the infuriating, the evolving, and the unpredictable nature of non-consensual PVP then PVE is reduced to a well decorated Skinner box of rote behaviors in which you are forced to push buttons for virtual food pellets. exactly
solo pilot your freighter across a highsec region and see handfuls of neutrals as you pass by - boring, ccp make flying a freighter actually fun >:'(
solo pilot your freighter across null or lowsec and see handfuls of neutrals as you pass by - you'll be telling other gamers the story long after eve shuts down. |
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