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Aelius
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:42:00 -
[9751]
"Hey Hilmar, what does the threadnought say about CCP stupidity level?"
It's OVER 9000!!!!
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Sri Nova
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:42:00 -
[9752]
 Originally by: Ragnar Wintermute
Has it occurred to anyone that the new Aurum system is a mechanism that allows CCP to eat up plexes without having to give players extra game time thus reducing more overhead?
i dont think AUR is a system that will reduce overhead i beleive it will only increase the rate at which isk is loosing value .
as posted here
Lets discuss AUR.
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Liliana Morgenstern
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:46:00 -
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Nice to see that the threadnaught is now OVER 9000 and still no real response....
Guess that just shows what they really think of us.
I think I need more pants.
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Luckytania
Gallente
Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: solar wave
After all this has blown over (for good or bad) they should replace the monument in jita with a broken model of it with the ammount of firepower thrown at it.
Excellent idea!
That would be a way to show respect for the players and the "player made game experience".
Of course, we now know what CCP management thinks of that.
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Manos Heimenbarger
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:46:00 -
[9755]
How much you wanna bet they wait until this threadtitan gets ~9990 posts and then locks it?
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C4LYP50
Solarwind Interstellar Mining and Production Ltd
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:48:00 -
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First time I've weighed in here.
I asked myself why CCP doesn't just raise the subscription price, if its a cash flow problem. Seems , from the comments I've read, that few would mind this.
And then it dawned one me..........if people spend RL money on Vanity items (the foot in the door), then its a small step to P2W (where most of you seem to be drawing the line.) Once you get people (new players or old) to uptake even small things, even JUST VANITY Items, they have more than just TIME invested, the character and game itself become a monetary investment.
Once that happens, why not just raise the subscription price anyway?
Back 6-8 months ago, this was seen by the playerbase, as the "bigger picture". It took a dev blog denying MT as a possibility, then to quell the masses.
Now, they've shoved the foot through the door, and people saying "I'll quit if it ever becomes P2Win" have been blinkered down to this view. I'm not so sure but that this is a good thing for CCP.........you've already accepted the concept, by the time you buy ANYTHING for Aurum.
-2 subs, +2 cents.
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Slaqer
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:48:00 -
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It's funny how they call selling 52 monocles a success. If you do the math that is only about $4160 now just think if they sold one thousand monocles but at $8 that is almost a double in profit. Oh and guess what I don't have a degree in marketing or any of those specialties, yet I can clearly use simple math to find a better strategy. Pretty funny, eh? |
Luckytania
Gallente
Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:49:00 -
[9758]
Originally by: Adrie Atticus
And it's over 9000.
You lie. At that post it was not over 9000.
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Elayae
Gallente
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:49:00 -
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Micro transactions are harmless?
So after seeing numerous pilots ask the question if micro transactions are harmless, letĘs take a look at it shall we?
Micro transactions ū vanity
These goods are introduced in the cash shop adding fluff to an EVE experience. I have no objection to these things in fact my business may increase a little because of it. This stuff is harmless indeed.
For example I manufacture thrashers just for fun. If CCP introduces skins, logos and what not my revenue has the potential to increase as well. Pilots have more options when buying a thrasher in my shop; they can have a paint job or add other bells and whistles.
Micro transactions ū functionality
These are things that are added to pilots to give them more functionality like hangars, standings, fittings, wallets etc. to use. It will give a slight advantage over other pilots when managing things in station, in manufacturing, in trade or other stuff. This type of micro transaction is acceptable for some but not for me, if used well you can exploit this advantage over other pilots that do not have it.
(It is worrying that some functionalities in game have been removed lately, paving the way to re-introduce the extra functionality for aurum in the future?)
Micro transactions ū completely
Here micro transactions are used for all kinds of deals (ships, modules, blueprints etc.). The implications are massive for me. Over the years I have built up a small business in EVE selling stuff for ISK, itĘs what I do, itĘs what I like doing, its fun for me, my own shop.
Scenario 1
Suddenly this new non-player cash shop (NPC shop) is introduced that pulls items out of its arse => a crap shop.  This new competitor competes with me on my local markets and will never go away.
Alarm bells are ringing in my shop for here is a competitor that is going to dictate prices and is going to take away some of my business. How? Well the new items in this new shop are introduced and have a price that is directly linked to PLEX. This price is variable and will fluctuate from time to time. I have two things to consider:
1. My manufacturing price has to be lower then this new shop price otherwise I am going to make a loss. I am not going to do that so in this case my business is not sustainable, in other words I lose business.
2. The new shop price creates a roof price for my prices. If I sell above that no one will buy my stuff and pilots will directly buy from the new shop. So my prices have to stay below this price. The result is that my profits are lower then before, in other words I lose income.
Either way I am losing business and make less profit overall. So every time a new item is introduced in the NP shop my business will diminish, this is not a good prospect for me to have. I cannot compete with this shop the regular way, I cannot declare war on it, I cannot block his resources, industrials or freighters, I cannot drive this shop out of my station.
In short my incentive to play EVE will diminish over time and will stop at some point when all my business is lost. Knowing this beforehand I have lost the incentive to manufacture stuff anymore, CCP has taken away my fun with their shop. Once manufacturers like me drop out the EVE economy will slow down and can do so to a point at which it is no longer sustainable.
In the last years CCP is slowly but surely removing all NPC stuff from the game and has given it to the players. Therefore I do not understand that a company that wants to give all economic activities to the players possibly wants to introduce harmful NPC shops. *facepalm*....
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Elayae
Gallente
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:51:00 -
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Scenario 2
Here it can get even uglier. LetĘs say our corp has wardecced another. We have gathered intel on their ships undocking and docking out of a station for days. At some point we have trapped 5 players in the station. Having intel on their ships we have a good assessment of their strength. The new NPC shop can **** this up; our enemies bought 5 ravens with fittings from the shop and undock all guns blazing. Of course they could have bought it from the market (if it existed at all on that station) but letĘs say they did not.
Micro transactions ū all the way Dust 514
Here it can become complex. Probably Dust will introduce micro transactions that can buy you an advantage over others, which can have an impact on the EVE economy indirectly or directly i.e. it can drive certain businesses out of an area when not carefully introduced.
As I see it micro transactions are harmless for vanity items only, I would be happy to pay $1-2 more to my subscription fee to keep harmful ones out, I also would be willing to pay a $5-7 subscription to Dust 514 if the harmless micro transactions are used there as well.
Once greed takes hold in the mindset of a company it is difficult to reverse, for the focus shifts from making stuff that is interesting and fun to making stuff that increases profits. You can have both but you need to be very careful in balancing this and not get corrupted at some point.
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Pherick Sjang
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:52:00 -
[9761]
CCP's next revenue-earning attempt will be an EVE newsletter titled "Send us your $ and we'll send you back double!"
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Sebas Atreides
Caldari
The Phoenix Enclave
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:52:00 -
[9762]
Elayae, +1
That is the kind of argumentation we need.
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Jaxom Asgard
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:52:00 -
[9763]
As to are CCP going to introduce non vanity items into EVE, the answer to that question has already been given, it's YES they are. DUST will be P2W from the outset, there for allowing items to be spawned into the oh so precious sandbox with the power of your wallet. This will not effect EVE? well what about all that POS fuel you were making before a bunch of P2W Merc's turned up & flipped your Planets?
Time to accept it or at least make the best of it, or if you've said you going to leave because it brakes your game, leave! Biomass those Characters and don't come back anywhere ever.....
But here's the rub, what's going on is FUN! people are enjoying themselves, protesting shooting monuments in Jita, etc sure as hell beats ice mining!
So protest have a bit of fun, and enjoy the game.... but keep it polite and constructive please. name calling, threats, and destruction of property (real world), are not cool & will not further this cause.
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Vanzatoarea
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:53:00 -
[9764]
Originally by: Geonin
Posting in thread that may kill CCP
lets make sure it does
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Luckytania
Gallente
Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:55:00 -
[9765]
Originally by: Miilla
CCP CAVES IN!
They promise to no longer put GOLD ammo into the NEX store..
They now asked the CSM.. .Which COLOUR of AMMO do you want.
It is all/any colour, of course. You don't have to decide in advance.
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=549
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forcaldari
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:55:00 -
[9766]
Keep it up CCP, considering firing you right now.
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Baihuigau
Gallente
Skull Brigade
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:55:00 -
[9767]
Remember guys were golden gooses who wear $1000 dollar pants in real life ;)
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Arvir Aris
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:56:00 -
[9768]
Originally by: Pherick Sjang
CCP's next revenue-earning attempt will be an EVE newsletter titled "Send us your $ and we'll send you back double!"
Actually lol'd, nice work
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:56:00 -
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:56:00 -
[9770]
Originally by: Vanzatoarea
Originally by: Geonin
Posting in thread that may kill CCP
lets make sure it does
Original size
They did it all by themselves.
Really. Perfect storm, but all theirs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:58:00 -
[9771]
Microtransactions: When you have to pay for the content of your free expansions.
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diaufop
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:58:00 -
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Edited by: diaufop on 26/06/2011 06:58:28
This thread's pony quota not being met!
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San Severina
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:58:00 -
[9773]
Congratulations EvE players, you have been treated with absolute contempt by a company you helped build & supported for 8 years.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:59:00 -
[9774]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 06:59:34
Originally by: diaufop
Edited by: diaufop on 26/06/2011 06:58:28
This thread's pony quota not being met!
lol
edit: I liked the first comment :-P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Bobicus Maximus
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Posted - 2011.06.26 06:59:00 -
[9775]
Several people that I know in this game, until now, have run multiple accounts on multiple systems at the same time but since the release of Incarna and the CQ some of their systems are now considered outdated, as such the game won't even allow them to launch their clients. I'm fairly certain that the only part of incarna that their systems are having issues with is the CQ, why not make it possible to disable the CQ either at the launch screen or at the character selection screen? That way you're not forcing people to spend $200 on new graphics card, or even more on a new system. The CQ are very nice and shiney but they have nothing to do with the overall game play.
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Pherick Sjang
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:00:00 -
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Noci B2
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:00:00 -
[9777]
Are we sure Plex for Good went to the right people ?
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:01:00 -
[9778]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 26/06/2011 07:02:59
Originally by: Bobicus Maximus
Several people that I know in this game, until now, have run multiple accounts on multiple systems at the same time but since the release of Incarna......
Hilmar "We made some mistakes with the economy in the past"
They want them and their isk to leave and the new crew to only play 1 client.
edit: hehe Pherick Sjang, everytime I see WoT come in on this I think of the Hilter thing :-D
They don't realise we play WoT AND Eve. Not even competition.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc
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Jaxom Asgard
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:06:00 -
[9779]
Originally by: Bobicus Maximus
Several people that I know in this game, until now, have run multiple accounts on multiple systems at the same time but since the release of Incarna and the CQ some of their systems are now considered outdated, as such the game won't even allow them to launch their clients. I'm fairly certain that the only part of incarna that their systems are having issues with is the CQ, why not make it possible to disable the CQ either at the launch screen or at the character selection screen? That way you're not forcing people to spend $200 on new graphics card, or even more on a new system. The CQ are very nice and shiney but they have nothing to do with the overall game play.
Because part of the underlying technology that supports the CQ is shader model 3 (SM3), this has been worked into space, (new turrets, etc), so turning off the CQ dosn't actually help if your graphics card doesn't support SM3.
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Karsoth Vertus
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Posted - 2011.06.26 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: Flesh SlurperVery disappointing. So we already pay you a fee per month for this game and its features, and now you want us to pay you again on top of that.
Not to mention that clothes will cost more than a whole ship. If an article of clothing costs more isk than even an executioner it will be laughable at best.
And for those who think that it will give more $ to develop the things in eve we have been wanting think again. The $ will only fund devs to make more of this utter crap instead of fixing / adding core features to the game. Why should they update and add things for "free" when they can **** you for more cash by making clothes with their time. This is already evident with the last updates. Nerf this, screw that, bunch of updates with little thought or effort put into them, while their devs are spending time proudly making clothes to sell.
If they really wanted to make clothes a great system, they would make a way to manufacture them with patterns, PI textiles, dyes, etc. The same with painting your ship - paints could be manufactured, industrialists could paint ships, etc. Instead were left with disappointment.
quoted for truth
this milking is killing immersion because is so simple and filthy CCP is making me sick.
only 1 guy and his alt appreciate this change,and army of WoW mental,s that gonna come after this change.
only reason CCP is not going full PAY for advantage is because even stronger opposition would be created and they would still do it and thus show what are they rly about and where this game is heading.
quoted my self from past not much wrong there.
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