Yes, the ship calculates your alignment based on its direction of movement. The orientation of your ships graphics model is completely irrelevant to your alignment.

*edit* The game attempts to orient your ships graphics model to match the alignment of your ship, but does so at a reduced rate to make the graphics appear fluid. This is why you often find large ships warping sideways and orienting in warp, especially when they get webbed to warp.

You're an idiot. The major limitation to DPS output in a gank is time before CONCORD responds. Why would a gank squad ruin a perfectly clear gate to kill a webber? You now have to hold the freighter in position, get an equal number of pilots as what it took to kill the webber to pull CONCORD simultaneously, and wait 15 minutes for everyone's GCC to cool off or more pilots to show up since you probably lost some DPS you needed for the freighter.

As goons we have a dedicated jabber room, fleet, and mumble channel for this with people on standby and we still have timing problems or manpower problems at times. Most other pirates aren't coordianted enough to pull this off, they're looking for targets of opportunity and you've seriously decreased the opportunity.

You can't prevent full grief gank. No matter how much tank you fit on a ship, if something can lock on it, it's over. It can be destroyed. You can bring hunderd of fast locking ship if you don't care about the cost. Only an instant warp would matter at that point and this would be a broken mecanic. You can prevent all ganks for profit. They're are many way. Full grief is impossible to prevent.

What is a 'full grief' gank?

Hell, I ganked hundreds of Exhumers without expecting to make a profit at all. But I did it anyway, because the miner lost a lot more than I did, and they get so mad, and sometimes quit the game.

But full grief? Is that like when you have to use 5 Tornados to kill a single Mackinaw, so the miner loses 200 Million and the gankers lose half a Billion?

Sounds about as fun as dropping a bowling ball on your own foot.

Guess its still 'possible' - but gankers are a bit smarter than the average carebear and will simply find other targets.

What? Deleting a character is bannable?

Personally, the only think about freighter ganking that has my hackles up is the riskless bumping. It's nearly 100% a grief mechanic and it needs to be removed (but replaced!!) so that there's still a plausible capacity for hi-sec ganking.

I was using the term loosely to describe your example actually. A gank in which you are CERTAIN that you will lose more isk than you'll make by a fair margin (for some definition of fair). It's a mentality that I myself don't understand but it's one I recognize is out there.

There's very little that can be done to stop it (although I have limited pity for people that didn't AT LEAST fit a couple shield extenders on their exhumers to make it a bit less likely).

Personally, the only think about freighter ganking that has my hackles up is the riskless bumping. It's nearly 100% a grief mechanic and it needs to be removed (but replaced!!) so that there's still a plausible capacity for hi-sec ganking.

Sad thing is, CCP Soundwave spouted off about this in the Fairy Tale threadnaught - stating that ALL high-sec ganking should be in the third category, and the game should be balanced around this concept. ("Should cost the gankers more than the victim....") Of course, as we've seen since August 8, it led to Exhumer ganking to almost completely disappearing overnight.

Mission accomplished, Soundwave. Sure, its still 'possible', you ass. But only If you are stupid and enjoy throwing away massive amounts of ISK. Gankers aren't stupid.

And freighters became the next target of choice. Unfortunately, solo-operators like myself are priced out of that particular market....

What Tippia said.

It's pretty rare. These goon incidents are highlighted by their propaganda machine... and they may throw the curve a bit, but for the average freighter pilot setting autopilot from jita to rens or amarr or something, it's a pretty safe bet they are going to be fine.

If your freighter gets bumped while aligning, it will not warp untill it can finish aligning. If you warp it often, you can completely hold him there indefinitely. Webbing him will only make him slower which has barely any incidence. Popping the webber also start the countdown for CONCORD response. The precious seconds wasted there are seconds you cannot use to apply dps on the freighter.

So again, why waste time popping a webber when you can completely prevent the warp?

Right? I hate these moronic goon alt ops stop posting.

Yah... everyone knows Tippia is a goon alt... duh...

Yah... everyone knows Tippia is a goon alt... duh...

Right? I hate these moronic Goon alt OPs. [They Should] Stop Posting.

Not going to get into whatever **** argument is going on here: but capital sized ships can enter warp without being 100% aligned. This should include freighters.

the ship model is currently pointing in a completley differnet direction

Very dumb question but how will a group of friends help a freighter in high sec? If people are ganking a freighter how does a group of friends help without ganking the ganker? (and thus get CONCORDED)

Very dumb question but how will a group of friends help a freighter in high sec? If people are ganking a freighter how does a group of friends help without ganking the ganker? (and thus get CONCORDED)

Very dumb question but how will a group of friends help a freighter in high sec? If people are ganking a freighter how does a group of friends help without ganking the ganker? (and thus get CONCORDED)

A small corp with some Logi's could make a fortune escorting these lumbering behemoth's. Oh look at that a solution!

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GǪnot to mention that pretty much every assumed value and time used to calculate those numbers is wrong.