When you're talking about the "risk" aspect you have to put it in perspective of the rewards involved, and when that reward is entirely based on a crap throw you can't really talk about it being "risk-free"

lol so bitter, sorry you got scammed

Bitter like a recently nerfed Caldari, or a soon to be nerfed Winmatar=P

No... I think he's saying (feel free to correct me) is that the expense side of the ledger is fixed. I WILL lose every ship that fires on the freighter. So my cost is known. He's not alleging that it's a guaranteed return / profit. Merely that when you set out to do it, you KNOW you're going to lose x amount of isk.

The downside is completely limited. It is in fact a fixed cost and must be accepted or the process can't happen. One might argue that it turns the "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" rule on it's head as the loss is intended as a cost of business.

You can't lose more than you intend or "accept", unless you're a complete flipping idiot and fail to understand the concept of "suicide". It's all potential upside.

Risk mitigation at it's finest.

So those dudes that gank a freighter which yields absolutely nothing as far as drops are just losing their ISK on purpose?

Explain this new wave of NPC alt logic to me, please.

This will introduce a(nother) random element into the equation, and provide the profession with the 'risk' you desire.

...therefore going to vegas and gambling is risk free

Yes.

I didn't say it was risk elimination (this is for Tippia as well), it's mitigation. Control if you will.

It's analogous to going to Vegas knowing exactly how much you'll spend. You've decided to spend X, but if you hit the jackpot you'll spend less and may make money.

It's all upside. There's no occasion where you can lose more than you intend.

Yes.

I didn't say it was risk elimination (this is for Tippia as well), it's mitigation. Control if you will.

It's analogous to going to Vegas knowing exactly how much you'll spend. You've decided to spend X, but if you hit the jackpot you'll spend less and may make money.

It's all upside. There's no occasion where you can lose more than you intend.

Is there a gas leak in your immediate vicinity?

I quite clearly said it wasn't risk elimination. It's control.

What the hell is so complex about this that people keep making crap up?

hey sup I have a discovery that will enlighten the **** out of you

there is literally no situation in eve where you can lose more than you intend

*exhales* wisdom

Possible counters:
1) Kill the bumper
2) Scout before you enter a system
3) Log off before you get aggressed. IIRC, PVP does not extend your log off timer if you log off before getting aggressed.
4) Triple web your freighter with an alt so that it insta warps.
5) Fully insure your ship and don't haul cargo more valuable than the ships required to gank it.
6) Failing all of the above, contract out to a courier service who is more competent than you, such as Red Frog Freight.

go run some more numbers in spreadsheets and keep adjusting it a bit to arrive at your preconceived conclusion that ganking is absolutely free of risk ...

I really think the bottom line on this is this!! Anyone who can fly a billion + ISK ships is not new to the game, and they should know where the gank spots are, it is real easy to look, takes far less time then it does to buy a new ship with billions of freight.

I really think the bottom line on this is this!! Anyone who can fly a billion + ISK ships is not new to the game, and they should know where the gank spots are, it is real easy to look, takes far less time then it does to buy a new ship with billions of freight.

Like "newbies" mining in hulks in the starter systems, eh ~

1) Kill the bumper is a ridiculous counter... To stop from being ganked I have to sacrifice MY ship and security status to concord. All you're doing is pushing costs onto the wrong people

2) is fine although an imperfect solution
3) doesn't work... They're going to shoot you down in somewhere between 20-30 seconds. Logoff keeps you in space for what? 1 minute? I can't remember the timer but it's definitely more than 20-30 seconds
4) As I already discussed, this is (apparently) a very good solution. But man does it require a level of knowledge about undocumented game play elements that's bordering on the insane
5) Best solution (though doesn't prevent random grief ganking but that's okay by me)
6) Also a great solution

So you've got 2 decent semi-solutions (which honestly should stop 99% of the problem) and the red frog workaround (not so much a solution but a perfectly valid workaround).

Your wisdom smells funny, kinda like yesterday's lunch.

Hello there, intellectually challenged freighter pilots.

Look the the list of freighters killed in uedama posted above. Do you notice any freighters from Push Industries or Red Frog. No? Look into what they do. Hint: they limit their cargo value. Copy them or use them.

Also, stop being daft.

1) But still a counter none-the-less. Some people might prefer to protect themselves in such a manner. You don't HAVE to kill the bumper.

I was confused by this as well and didn't understand it. The OP was a bit of flamebait / trolling so I was kind of leaving it behind. But why would you conduct a gank session that way? The only logical "phased" combat approach would be to have alpha fleet one fire it's two volleys that are calculated to kill an unboosted, un repped freighter. If that doesn't work, beta fleet fires it's two volleys to finish off the target. So MAYBE you're talking about a 40 second engagement with some bumping needed?