Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.

Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.

Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.

LOL....no.

What? Deleting a character is bannable?

Discussion on goons usually = locked by goon ISD...


IB4 ISD...

The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.

A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%.

The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.

No the simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing.

A simpler solution would be to pay attention to your surroundings, communicate with other haulers, and avoid hot spots where gankers are active.

The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.

The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

.

The gankers camp a path that cannot be avoided, less you don't make the journey at all. They use login traps and alt scouts to know when you're coming. There really is no option except to not do the freighter trip because if they target you, there is no escape.

Sure, because it's oh so practical for every freighter in empire to be guarded by a fleet of ships.

Sure, because it's oh so practical for every freighter in empire to be guarded by a fleet of ships.

What? Deleting a character is bannable?

LOL....no.

The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.

Learn how to argue properly.

They could also change how bumping things. A ship locking down a massive freighter is somewhat of a joke and is very abusable, as such they effectively act as warp scramblers on a freighter in empire space, to keep in pinned down, without the retaliation from concord.

How is that not abuse of a game system?

The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.

They could also change how bumping things. A ship locking down a massive freighter is somewhat of a joke and is very abusable, as such they effectively act as warp scramblers on a freighter in empire space, to keep in pinned down, without the retaliation from concord.

How is that not abuse of a game system?

So what are they doing exactly? Suicide ganking with multiple alts until you're dead?

How about not being greedy and putting all your eggs in one basket?

This isn't abuse. This is punishment for stupidity. It also encourages people to consider alternative options, and if they don't have the capacity for that, they're going to be out of pocket.

Simple.

They could also change how bumping things. A ship locking down a massive freighter is somewhat of a joke and is very abusable, as such they effectively act as warp scramblers on a freighter in empire space, to keep in pinned down, without the retaliation from concord.

How is that not abuse of a game system?

Since you are oh so new, I am going to tell you how smart people use the map tools.

Click Map, go to filters selecet ships destroyed in last 24 hours, also look at pod kills in last 24 hours. If you see a system that has a lot of ships getting popped, smart people do not go there with a 1 billion + ISK Ship, unless they have backup, or are willing to take the RISK and lose their ship.


Also, you seem to have forgotten a very important rule of EVE Online, when you undock a ship anywhere at anytime, you have lost that ship until it is docked.

However, if you feel there is a group abusing the game and it's tools, you can report them and let CCP handle it, as it should be.

The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.

the problem is that you're undocking freighters with 30b isk of loot inside

If you bothered to check their freighter kills, you'd see that they don't care how much loot is being carried. They've targetted freighters with barely one billion of loot in the hold. They've also targetted freighters carrying nothing more than plastic wrap.

Perhaps everyone should start doing this, it's a really easy way to earn isk and get epic kills. Plenty of people with multiple accounts and the time to burn.

I studied how this goon corp is ganking so many freighters in Uedema and surrounding systems. They wait for a target, once a freighter is in the system they will bump it to stop it from going anywhere. They will shoot it with an alt character to get the freighter into pvp, this stops the pilot from logging out. Due to how effective this is, there is no escape for the freighter pilot. Once you've jumped into that system in a freighter, you've given them a 100% guaranteed kill on you. Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.

I also watched their characters log in one by one and then suddenly all of them logged off on my contacts at precisely the same moment, looks like his computer crashed :D

Checked their character history, about half of them joined the corp on the same day and the other half were all new characters, created on the same day, earlier this year.

They also use log in traps, to trick people into thinking they're offline, the bumpers wait for a target and when one is found and held in place, the ganking characters are logged in to destroy it.

Perhaps everyone should start doing this, it's a really easy way to earn isk and get epic kills. Plenty of people with multiple accounts and the time to burn.

For a list of their ganking characters just look up Furious Father on a killboard and see his freighter kills and who was part of it.

Lol, I do 'bother' scrub, and a freighter kill is a freighter kill, irrespective of cargo.

Do all Goons lie on the forums all of the time? Rarely is there such a kill, and when it is, it's usually from bpcs giving an incorrect amount in the kill mail. The majority of the freighters are carrying just a few billion at the most, and many have far less. Some have just plastic wrap.

I wasn't talking to you, dummy.

do you know what plastic wrap is

Jesus Christ, You pubbies ***** about any thing that requires you to actually play the game. I outlined clearly in the last thread about this topic five strategies to avoid pirates. It's easy if you take a few moments to understand the mechanics of high sec and the razor thin margin of time, dps/alpha, and risk pirates are working on.

My experience as a high sec pirate, industrialist, and small gang PVPer leads me to believe that the EHP of freighters is perfectly in line with the risk-reward ratio necessary to foster a strong economy. Freighter ganking doesn't just benefit the pirates with an income source. It stimulates production to meet their new purchasing power, while increasing profits due to increased scarcity.

The problem with decreased risk is a vibrant economy requires large amounts of ISK moving freely among a large number of people. The sterile future your changes would lead to is a future of stagnant meaningless wealth automated in production and transfer; sitting idly in wallets and hangars unspent, under valued, and ultimately dead.

Do all Goons lie on the forums all of the time? Rarely is there such a kill, and when it is, it's usually from bpcs giving an incorrect amount in the kill mail. The majority of the freighters are carrying just a few billion at the most, and many have far less. Some have just plastic wrap.

simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing.

Jesus Christ, You pubbies ***** about any thing that requires you to actually play the game. I outlined clearly in the last thread about this topic five strategies to avoid pirates. It's easy if you take a few moments to understand the mechanics of high sec and the razor thin margin of time, dps/alpha, and risk pirates are working on.

My experience as a high sec pirate, industrialist, and small gang PVPer leads me to believe that the EHP of freighters is perfectly in line with the risk-reward ratio necessary to foster a strong economy. Freighter ganking doesn't just benefit the pirates with an income source. It stimulates production to meet their new purchasing power, while increasing profits due to increased scarcity.

The problem with decreased risk is a vibrant economy requires large amounts of ISK moving freely among a large number of people. The sterile future your changes would lead to is a future of stagnant meaningless wealth automated in production and transfer; sitting idly in wallets and hangars unspent, under valued, and ultimately dead.

My suggestion is better TBH.

post on your main.

No the simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing.

Maybe you would like to explain what these "friends" are going to do while the volley from 8+ Tornadoes tears through your hull? They'll have a good show, for sure, and can pop your wreck for you, but in the battle of Alpha vs. Friends, Alpha wins all the ******* time.

please show me how to beat an alpha strike. you'll be the most famous man in eve

None of those goon pirates on eve-kill use alpha strikes. How do I know for sure? I'm on some of them, and I produced many of the ships. In High Sec, using freighters to move the materials, that weren't ganked, cause I'm not dumb.

[quote=Riot Girl]No, they keep the gankers logged off, probably easier on them and makes people less aware that there is a gank trap waiting.

Once a target jumps in, they bump the freighter to prevent it from warping or leaving, and they also shoot it with a rookie ship character so even if the pilot logs off, he will remain in space long enough for their gank characters to get in and get the kill. There's no escape once they've started bumping you, you can not get out of it. Concord will not help you, even though the bumper is effectively acting as a warp scrambler.

that doesn't sound correct.

the km's i've seen indicate they're using the two system method to avoid serious sec status hits for the whole crew. they mostly gank it on one side, it jumps through, they finish it on the other side. the group on the first side gets the aggression sec hit, but not the kill. also, i don't think they would shoot it with a rookie ship first since that would start the concord countdown early. it would also be unnecessary, as the gankers could shoot it for the same effect.

bumping though is a real problem. its the only form of combat that doesn't flag you for aggression.

Your suggestion is one of the stupidest things I've seen on the forums. That's just what we need, restricting people from what systems they can jump into

Here's a thought, perhaps don't fly through the system where people are getting ganked?

I'm trying to get through the system in a freighter now, but a goon keeps on bumping me away from the gate, and he won't let me warp anywhere else either. After 15 minutes of him bumping me i now give up, it's pointless even trying, for now i quit.

You shoot the freighter with the rookie ship t put it in pvp mode. Then he cannot log-off to use the 2 minutes rules to avoid the gank. He's stuck there no matter what for 15 minutes.

why?

that doesn't sound correct.

the km's i've seen indicate they're using the two system method to avoid serious sec status hits for the whole crew. they mostly gank it on one side, it jumps through, they finish it on the other side. the group on the first side gets the aggression sec hit, but not the kill. also, i don't think they would shoot it with a rookie ship first since that would start the concord countdown early. it would also be unnecessary, as the gankers could shoot it for the same effect.

bumping though is a real problem. its the only form of combat that doesn't flag you for aggression.

You can't have read many stupid things on the forums then, because it's an awesome suggestion. I've never played an MMO other than Eve which allows you to:

1. Attack member of your own side
2. Grief so blatantly without developer intervention

It needs to be fixed. Even if it only applied to High-Sec that would be better than nothing.

What happens to your ship in game if you just pull your router cable? I presume it must disappear, allowing you to log on later when the tards have gotten bored?

sure looks like those 6 ships had to risk a lot to kill this freighter in high sec....

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14499546

sure looks like those 6 ships had to risk a lot to kill this freighter in high sec....

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14499546

I don't understand why people carry around high value prints in a ship with a giant bullseye painted on the side...

Seconding the "fix bumping" sentiment. Fix bumping, identify and deal with repeated character recycling, but don't nerf high sec ganking itself.

And stop going to Jita. Seriously. There are so many other places you could inflate the economy in if you wanted to. Alternatively, do the following if you really really really have to go through a known ganking system:

1. use a scout

+1 to popping the wreck before they can loot/salvage it.
Fairly viable business model

You sure learned a lot for the one day you been playing EVE!! Or, you are posting on a one day alt, that is my guess. Now my question is, why are you coward and have a yellow streak 5 miles long down your back? If you are going to post about a corp, grow a pair and post on your main.

sure looks like those 6 ships had to risk a lot to kill this freighter in high sec....

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14499546

That is a beautiful piece of gamesmanship right there. These guys are playing EVE at a high level. The have a deep understanding of aggression, tanking, and DPS mechanics, and sacrificed just under a billion in ships and fittings. They deserved all the rewards they reaped, and we should all aspire to play at that level in whatever our chosen style is.

So they can come to the forums and cry how cruel the EVE world is and try get some sympathy from other people who have lost ships because they failed to understand Rule # 23.

OMG are you serious? I am sure you use your real life name in game? PLease also list your address SSN, ISP and credit card info if you would be so kind. I cant see anyone being this childish unless your trying to get the post lock????

the problem is that you're undocking freighters with 30b isk of loot inside

Maybe you should re-visit the multiple post where a DEV stated ganking in hi-sec was not meant to be profitable. Exploits and flawed mechanics should be addressed.

OMG are you serious? I am sure you use your real life name in game? PLease also list your address SSN, ISP and credit card info if you would be so kind. I cant see anyone being this childish unless your trying to get the post lock????

This is game based on reputation...

You get concorded for shooting yellow wrecks keep in mind.

Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.

Maybe you should re-visit the multiple post where a DEV stated ganking in hi-sec was not meant to be profitable. Exploits and flawed mechanics should be addressed.

Ganking, in general, in High Sec isn't supposed to be profitable. And isn't.

Something should be done about this. Goons have no honor and CCP is clearly making the game to benefit them.

Now excuse me while I roll around in my piles and piles of ISK. :ScroogeMcduck:

You sure learned a lot for the one day you been playing EVE!! Or, you are posting on a one day alt, that is my guess. Now my question is, why are you coward and have a yellow streak 5 miles long down your back? If you are going to post about a corp, grow a pair and post on your main.

FTFY

ITT people whine about freighters getting popped when there are several ways to avoid it, the least of which is to use a freighter belonging to someone else, this is now a stealth advertisement for Red Frog & PushX

I laugh whenever i read this, sec status literally means nothing to a suicide ganker who is doing it right

I studied how this goon corp is ganking so many freighters in Uedema and surrounding systems. They wait for a target, once a freighter is in the system they will bump it to stop it from going anywhere. They will shoot it with an alt character to get the freighter into pvp, this stops the pilot from logging out. Due to how effective this is, there is no escape for the freighter pilot. Once you've jumped into that system in a freighter, you've given them a 100% guaranteed kill on you. Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.

I also watched their characters log in one by one and then suddenly all of them logged off on my contacts at precisely the same moment, looks like his computer crashed :D

Checked their character history, about half of them joined the corp on the same day and the other half were all new characters, created on the same day, earlier this year.

They also use log in traps, to trick people into thinking they're offline, the bumpers wait for a target and when one is found and held in place, the ganking characters are logged in to destroy it.

Perhaps everyone should start doing this, it's a really easy way to earn isk and get epic kills. Plenty of people with multiple accounts and the time to burn.

For a list of their ganking characters just look up Furious Father on a killboard and see his freighter kills and who was part of it.

Actually as most rely on alts, they don't *actually* do it right, *because* they rely on alts.

They could also change how bumping things. A ship locking down a massive freighter is somewhat of a joke and is very abusable, as such they effectively act as warp scramblers on a freighter in empire space, to keep in pinned down, without the retaliation from concord.

How is that not abuse of a game system?

The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.

You would still need a basic level of security to not get blown up as soon as you hit high sec no? I know it's a really low requirement but still. They can't only blow up ship till the cows come home. They will have to grind it a bit abck once they made enough aggression in high sec...

Its the creation of the cheaper T3 battle cruisers which made this tactic cheap & therefore nerfed the Frieghters in HI SEC w/o a balancing buff.

Actually as most rely on alts, they don't *actually* do it right, *because* they rely on alts.

Maybe you would like to explain what these "friends" are going to do while the volley from 8+ Tornadoes tears through your hull? They'll have a good show, for sure, and can pop your wreck for you, but in the battle of Alpha vs. Friends, Alpha wins all the ******* time.

very simple. get your own noob alt and as soon as goon pop a freighter pop the wreck, repeat and start ransoming goons

Jesus Christ, You pubbies *****

Bumping mechanics are pretty broken, a speed boat trying to bump an oil tanker would end up as drift wood.

The same should be true in EvE.

If CCP wants to nerf suicide gankers they could make these 2 rules:

1) If while under CONCORD aggression you kill a ship, you pay the insurance payout for that ship.

Yeh insurance on a freighter is like 300mil or something. Oh noes.

It takes about 25 tornados (or more) to alpha a freighter in one volley. Typically our gangs run about 10 - 15 members. We use high DPS high ROF ships to take down the freighters. The best way to stop us is wait till we go GCC then jam us with two or three blackbirds. Easy.

Fine than three times the value of the insurance payout, even if it puts your wallet in the negative.

stopped reading at this point.

next!

They collect bills in loot. Are people really still not understanding WTF is ahppening in a gank? Even a newbie like me got enough information to know a 900 mill penalty would only change where the bar for profitable is. Insetad of a ship with 2 bill inside, they woudl aim for 4 bill...

They collect bills in loot. Are people really still not understanding WTF is ahppening in a gank? Even a newbie like me got enough information to know a 900 mill penalty would only change where the bar for profitable is. Insetad of a ship with 2 bill inside, they woudl aim for 4 bill...

Yes but by pushing that bar high enough it becomes possible to carry a reasonable value in cargo and not be a profitable target.

Hypocrit much

If CCP wants to nerf suicide gankers they could make these 2 rules:

1) If while under CONCORD aggression you kill a ship, you pay the insurance payout for that ship.

2) If your wallet is negative, you may not board any ship bigger than a shuttle. (Lore: Ship crews are paid from the interest earned from the total of all ISK in all wallets. If yours is negative, you are not contributing to the crew wage pool, so you are not allowed to use a crewed ship.)

Suicide ganking would still be possible. Profitable? Not as much. They would just have to be even more selective.

Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.

Yes but by pushing that bar high enough it becomes possible to carry a reasonable value in cargo and not be a profitable target.

Yes but by pushing that bar high enough it becomes possible to carry a reasonable value in cargo and not be a profitable target.

This. If they recycle them, petition them. I petitioned someone for it a few years ago and the GM response was quite prompt.

The why is pretty simple, if you make an alt like you do, no one will buy what you are selling, because no one really hears a coward.

What is reasonably high while still avoiding deleterious effects on the economy? It is economically untenable to allow too much wealth to move too easily with too little risk. Especially when there are already safer options available that aren't being used. Orcas, for example, have been mentioned prominently.

Furthermore, raising the EHP barrier will not be nearly as effective as you seem to believe. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14307479 As long as pilots continue to misuse the freighter class of vessels in such an egregious manner at the expense of blockade runners, industrials, and orcas.

And yet you replied, so you must have heard me just fine. Given that this game isn't based on reputation (e-honor idiots aside) i fail to see the value of one's posting history or character age. there are just as many 5yr old characters who are idiots as 1 day old ones. i'm looking at you.

Razzor also said hahahahahahahahaha

i guess the goons have a bunch of orcas to sell in addition to the freighter market manipulation.

They could also change how bumping things. A ship locking down a massive freighter is somewhat of a joke and is very abusable, as such they effectively act as warp scramblers on a freighter in empire space, to keep in pinned down, without the retaliation from concord.

How is that not abuse of a game system?

Stop carrying more than 2 bill worth of cargo in a freighter. Thast all you need to know.

2 basic rules.

1- No plastic wraps

2- Not over 2 bill.

How hard is this to understand?

This is it boiled down into two REALLY simple points. This is how to stop us ganking you. ITS REALLY EASY.

This is it boiled down into two REALLY simple points. This is how to stop us ganking you. ITS REALLY EASY.

In Eve you can choose to be anything you want, what I don't understand is why so many choose to be stupid.

Hauling 12 plex in anything is stupid.

Not hauling in a hauler is stupid.

Find the happy medium.

Quick question. I'm pretty sure I'm right, but I wanted to make sure.

You can see inside single plastic wraps, can't you?

It's only double wraps you can't see inside?

The no wraps rules always applies. If you wrap it, either you are stupid in making your cargo look like it's worth a lot OR you are an idiot carrying over 2 bill in a freighter. In both case, you should expect to be shot at. Just look up the 200 mill isk of trit freighter killed. It was wrapped. No one knew it was trit till they could open it or see the eve-kill report. They didn't let it pass. They lost over it but I am pretty sure the made thier money back on the next freighter.

Long story short, NO WRAPS or you will be shot.

step 1: buy a freighter
step 2: insure it
step 3: wrap something worthless
step 4: autopilot to a hotspot

Or you're a freighter pilot doing courier contract runs for someone.

The payout is higher than the market price + insurance cost?

You use a cargo scanner to see what they are hauling on the other side of the gate. T3 hulls and PLEX can make it worth it...

Personally I love hearing about people in freighters that got ganked. I'm REALLY impressed when I hear about one group or another ganking a jump freighter. Lots of EHP there... I think empire gankers are ballsy pirates. It's not easy.

Good job to whoever can pull of ganking HS freighters.

what many people forget that there are items which, in the quantities and volumes, are difficult to transport smaller freighters.
there will probably be any ship that the corp buys in jita, might have to pick up yourself.
that's how it looks with the transportation of battleships to jita.

Did you read what Andski wrote before posting? My question was related to this. It's obviously a way to try to troll gankers by making somethign worthless look more expensive. Wrap 1 trit in a double wrap and go warp to 10 km of the gate. If the payout is higher than freighter market cost + unsurance, you make money doing this and the gankers lose big time. If the payout is not higher, then you both lose but you get to laugh at the wasted ships.

I'm saying the gankers have a lot on the line for each gank too... it ain't cheap to gank a freighter in HS. They've thought it out. They know the profit formula (or at least the ringleaders should). They are gankers! That's what they do! Could they make this mistake? Sure. Would they? Highly unlikely.

The payout is higher than the market price + insurance cost?

the difference is a whole lot less than the 1b in taloses that derp into you

Did you read what Andski wrote before posting? My question was related to this. It's obviously a way to try to troll gankers by making somethign worthless look more expensive. Wrap 1 trit in a double wrap and go warp to 10 km of the gate. If the payout is higher than freighter market cost + unsurance, you make money doing this and the gankers lose big time. If the payout is not higher, then you both lose but you get to laugh at the wasted ships.

1. Make multiple trips. Unless you can afford to sneeze off the 1.5B ISK cost of a freighter (plus whatever cargo you lost), the extra time between destinations is well worth it.
2. Make the trip in several legs. Travel a few jumps, dock up, reconnoiter, make a few more jumps, dock up, etc. Alternatively, use a scout.
3. If you're carrying minerals or ore in your freighter, don't wrap it. Wrapping it only makes gankers think you're carrying much more valuable cargo.
4. If you must carry valuable cargo that takes up a lot of space, use an Orca to transport them. Yes, you'll still have to make multiple trips, but an Orca is a lot more likely to survive the trip than a freighter.
5. If you *must* use a freighter for high-value goods on long-haul journeys, always take an escort. An EWAR/logi vessel is probably more use than a combat escort to fight gankers, because all the escort has to do is keep you alive until CONCORD arrives.

"someone blew up my velator with 60 PLEXes in it
CCP! you said ganking wasn't supposed to be profitable!!"

God this is the same exact discussion that went on for the Exhumers. Instead of changing their crappy ass behavior exhumer pilots whined until they got it fixed by CCP. Seriously I think now all the PVPers need to whine that "getting instagibbed by concord is unfair" and get that changed too.

FIX YOUR ******** BEHAVIORS instead of expecting CCP to hand you crap on a silver platter.

I see the focus is on players who carry massive cargos. What about people like me? They are bumping my freighter for the lulz, and doing it to others too. It's pure grief, i cannot warp away, i cannot get to the gate, i cannot do anything except log out from the game and hope to find them gone later.

2.) The PvP logoff timer is irrelevant to suicide gankers, as they need to gank a ship within the concord response time, which is less than the 1 minute non-aggressed logoff timer. So, they won't shoot your ship with a velator prior to the start of a gank, because it will bring concord to the grid much, much too early!

It does matter in the case where [redacted]. You know, I'd rather not give that secret away, it's not a common case but it does happen.

I studied how this goon corp is ganking so many freighters in Uedema and surrounding systems. They wait for a target, once a freighter is in the system they will bump it to stop it from going anywhere. They will shoot it with an alt character to get the freighter into pvp, this stops the pilot from logging out. Due to how effective this is, there is no escape for the freighter pilot. Once you've jumped into that system in a freighter, you've given them a 100% guaranteed kill on you. Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.

I also watched their characters log in one by one and then suddenly all of them logged off on my contacts at precisely the same moment, looks like his computer crashed :D

Checked their character history, about half of them joined the corp on the same day and the other half were all new characters, created on the same day, earlier this year.

They also use log in traps, to trick people into thinking they're offline, the bumpers wait for a target and when one is found and held in place, the ganking characters are logged in to destroy it.

Perhaps everyone should start doing this, it's a really easy way to earn isk and get epic kills. Plenty of people with multiple accounts and the time to burn.

For a list of their ganking characters just look up Furious Father on a killboard and see his freighter kills and who was part of it.

It's also not /particularly/ secret. Just needs people to think about it.

Thought that pretty much means anyone whining about being ganked in a freighter full of ferrogel won't think of it. Needs a modicum of intelligence.

no it is not the same discussion, the asteroid belt, we have no sentry gunns and which one must be pushed away

Solution.
Don't carry billions of isk in a freighter. Only carry so much so you won't be a target.

They did NOT say that. Learn how to argue properly.

They said RECYCLING is bannable.

Just to point out, a good number of these frieghters are being killed off the gates which means no sentries

"Learn how to argue properly." That's excellent-- covers a lot in a few words. Saving for future use, if you don't mind.

1. use a scout

Well you could make sure to fit your freighter's module slots with tank fittings... oh wait it doesn't have any module slots. ...

and not near a station either, right? or the station guns would get you. i think.

Well you could make sure to fit your freighter's module slots with tank fittings... oh wait it doesn't have any module slots.

Hmm, I think I see the real problem here.

I'm being serious. If you fly an industrial ship you have options. If you want to take more risk you can fit it with cargo expansion modules & rigs. If you want to haul something valuable you can (sort of) tank it up a bit and make it harder to gank. Of course nothing is ever 100% gank proof, but you can make the potential ganker have to recalculate your EHP and force them to sacrifice more disposable alt ships to the job, which may tip the scales over to "not worth it" - which is your only real security but a form of security none-the-less. If all else fails you can just jump into a covert ops hauler and tell the gankers to suck it.

In other words, with industrial ships there are player options that let them decide if they want more cargo or more safety. Freighters, on the other hand, only come in four effectively identical flavors; all of them unarmed, no weapons, no drones, and no module slots or even rig slots in which to change anything.

If CCP were to make freighters into actual ships and not just flying cargo canisters this problem might change, or at least it would become a problem where you would have more of a leg to stand on when people cry about being ganked (i.e. "Should have fitted it with tank instead of sacrificing EHP for cargo, then.") This lack of options makes freighters easy to gank in another way, too, being as without any potential for variation once you know how many disposable alts it takes to pop one open the first time you now have the winning formula that will work every time without exception. This means that the logistics of ganking a freighter can be set in stone and no tactics or variations are required to do it.

Conclusion: Make freighters real.

Well you could make sure to fit your freighter's module slots with tank fittings... oh wait it doesn't have any module slots.

Hmm, I think I see the real problem here.

I'm being serious. If you fly an industrial ship you have options. If you want to take more risk you can fit it with cargo expansion modules & rigs. If you want to haul something valuable you can (sort of) tank it up a bit and make it harder to gank. Of course nothing is ever 100% gank proof, but you can make the potential ganker have to recalculate your EHP and force them to sacrifice more disposable alt ships to the job, which may tip the scales over to "not worth it" - which is your only real security but a form of security none-the-less. If all else fails you can just jump into a covert ops hauler and tell the gankers to suck it.

In other words, with industrial ships there are player options that let them decide if they want more cargo or more safety. Freighters, on the other hand, only come in four effectively identical flavors; all of them unarmed, no weapons, no drones, and no module slots or even rig slots in which to change anything.

If CCP were to make freighters into actual ships and not just flying cargo canisters this problem might change, or at least it would become a problem where you would have more of a leg to stand on when people cry about being ganked (i.e. "Should have fitted it with tank instead of sacrificing EHP for cargo, then.") This lack of options makes freighters easy to gank in another way, too, being as without any potential for variation once you know how many disposable alts it takes to pop one open the first time you now have the winning formula that will work every time without exception. This means that the logistics of ganking a freighter can be set in stone and no tactics or variations are required to do it.

Conclusion: Make freighters real.

One thing I've not picked up on the lolthread yet is how a scout helps you spot a gank thats not logged in yet. WTF are you supposed to do not go through any gates with any players nearbye.

Also people suggesting using the starmap kills to avoid ganks - we are talking freighters here, there can't be that many freighter kills - i'd be surprised if goons aren't kerspoding themselves to manipulate the maps stats to steer prey through the systems they're camping*.

But mainly.... WTF are people carrying blueprints in a freighter?

* goons if your not, please put 1B isk in my account for the idea.

Oh god, please give freighters lowslots. There was a 175 page threadnaught about how CCP has concluded that giving carebears fitting choices beyond the cosmetic is a bad thing.

Hint: they will just use them for cargo expanders and turn their freighters into 50K EHP punching bags.

One thing I've not picked up on the lolthread yet is how a scout helps you spot a gank thats not logged in yet. WTF are you supposed to do not go through any gates with any players nearbye.

Also people suggesting using the starmap kills to avoid ganks - we are talking freighters here, there can't be that many freighter kills - i'd be surprised if goons aren't kerspoding themselves to manipulate the maps stats to steer prey through the systems they're camping*.

But mainly.... WTF are people carrying blueprints in a freighter?

* goons if your not, please put 1B isk in my account for the idea.

We are talking around one million km away from gates.

You want an ibis to pierce a hole in your capital? Cuz they are both made out of trit. The fast projectile ship could penetrate the armor same as steel shells fired from tank would penetrate steel plates. Going full realism has drawback sometime.

i was trying to help keep your secret with an indirect question

Simple physics....Force=mass times acceleration F=MA

The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.

It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.

Simple physics....Force=mass times acceleration F=MA

We spent 6 months telling miners exactly how to avoid being ganked, provided them with fits, tactics and even how to track us in local. Hundreds died.

These people seem to be just as daft.

Slight derail... why have the suicide gankings of exhumers moreless ceased? Last I checked, an untanked mackinaw (which is quite prevalent) has only 15k EHP.... cheapfit dessies should easily make a meal of it!!

Why is it, in my 4 or so years of EVE, I've yet to be suicide ganked?

I have left freighters floating around on Jita 4-4 for hours due to alt tabbing and forgetting about them. I've done the same thing on gates in pimped out mission ships, and all manner of stupid actions which should have resulted in me being suicide ganked. I feel left out to be honest.

Why is it, in my 4 or so years of EVE, I've yet to be suicide ganked?

I have left freighters floating around on Jita 4-4 for hours due to alt tabbing and forgetting about them. I've done the same thing on gates in pimped out mission ships, and all manner of stupid actions which should have resulted in me being suicide ganked. I feel left out to be honest.

You would still need a basic level of security to not get blown up as soon as you hit high sec no? I know it's a really low requirement but still. They can't only blow up ship till the cows come home. They will have to grind it a bit abck once they made enough aggression in high sec...