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Lord Nagumo
The humbleless Crew Capital Punishment.
0
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Posted - 2012.09.27 15:41:00 -
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So I am not the best pvp dude in eve but I am not the worst either but here's an idea. Its something that ive been told over and over so maybe it will help those poor freighter dudes that keep getting ganked.
Dont fly what you cant afford to lose.
that and if your really worried im sure they have alts that can fly rr just have them wait in the gank system when the gank is about to start just fly over and rep your hauler until concord comes and says wtfbbq time bitches |
Dunbar Hulan
The Suicide Kings Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2012.09.27 17:58:00 -
[512] - Quote
Lord Nagumo wrote:So I am not the best pvp dude in eve but I am not the worst either but here's an idea. Its something that ive been told over and over so maybe it will help those poor freighter dudes that keep getting ganked.
Dont fly what you cant afford to lose.
that and if your really worried im sure they have alts that can fly rr just have them wait in the gank system when the gank is about to start just fly over and rep your hauler until concord comes and says wtfbbq time bitches
You need better Goggles -á-áManchester United - Paul Scholes= Genius |
Phoenix Bibbs
Astra Enterprises Happy Endings
16
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Posted - 2012.09.27 19:05:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:
It's funny that most of the intelligent comments I have read on here are from the goons themselves.
Maybe we should just ban pvp in all of high sec, so that we could fix the issue for one group of players and mess everyone else's game up. I mean we did it with mining ships why not.
Seriously though, haulers need to learn better strategies instead of calling for some new patch.
However, I am prepared to offer protection for any freighters that require it for a small fee. You will put your freighter alts (mains for some of you....) into my corp. We will run freighters as groups with armed escorts. I have already setup 20 new accounts to multibox with and I have some friends ready to move their toons in as well.
1. Pay a one-time application fee of only 250m. Please send to corp or my ceo and mark "freighter service" so I do not accidentally double your isk on my character.
2. Monthly fee will be 100m.
3. We will coordinate runs as small groups of freighters with an armed escrort. If gankers show up, we will web your ship to allow a quick warp to a corp safespot, rep your freighter as needed with our guardians, and finish off the gankers with the main escort fleet. We will then continue on. We will have multiple safes in each system so you can quickly warp no matter how you get bumped.
***BONUS If your ship is lost in fleets....
1. We will buy you a new identical ship at no cost to you.
2. We wil reimburse you for any lost collateral up to 3 billion per haul. We must limit this amount to guard against fraud.
3. NO limit on reimbursements. You pay us to take on the risk for you. You will earn slightly less a month, but you won't have to worry anymore about losing a 1.5+b ship and its contents/collateral.
Wait, there's more!
If you cannot afford or otherwise do not wish to partake in monthly option, you may rent our services for 25m a day. You will still have to join our corp for that day and fly in our fleets, but you can use us off and on.
***SPECIAL BONUS
You may prepay in advance and save fees!
Options:
1. Bronze: Send 450m isk, which covers your application fee and 3 months of coverage. This saves you 100m isk over 3 months. (better deal)
2. Silver: Send 700m isk, which covers your application fee and 6 months of coverage. This saves you 150m isk over 6 months. (even better deal)
3. Gold: Send 1b isk, which covers your application fee and 12 months of coverage. This saves you 450m isk over 12 months. (most popular package)
4. Platinum: Send 2b isk, which covers your application fee and LIFETIME use of our services, which may save you billions, not to mention you stop losing any more isk ever again to gankers! (BEST deal)
Feel free to reach out to me with any questions you may have. I think I have covered all the bases here.
Please note that I am already getting lots of questions since I floated this idea elsewhere recently.
To ensure you reserve a spot before corp is filled, act now to secure your spot!
IRONCLAD GUARANTEE:
If for ANY reason you are unsatisfied with our service, you may demand a no-questions asked 100% full refund within 30 days. I am absolutely convinced you will love our service so much
Erotica and his corp mates saved my Charon from getting ganked last week. Highly recommend their service. |
Cactusfrankie
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.09.27 21:46:00 -
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Zedrik Cayne wrote:Archon Zeratul wrote:have to remember the majority of goons are silly nerdy 13 year old
its quite easy to out wit them
get an alt in an ibis with a civilian gattling gun and spawn concord on the gates before you jump your freighters through
as this is considered an exploit i would never never do this
you watch the goonies whine and cry now
When I was at war with said goons, they were actually doing this. And I'd managed to afk pilot cloaked to where they were staging in a safe near a gate hoping to catch an un-aligned pilot as they all warped to gate. Then a funny thing happened, a goon in a velator concorded himself on one of the non-aligned pilots and the rest of them warped to the gate. This happened several times as I was trying to catch a late pilot. I can't remember whether or not CONCORD manipulation is actually an exploit or not. But it is the only borderline mechanic they are using. There is only one way to escape a gank you are in the middle of. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Skill_HardwiringLook for 'hull hitpoint', 'armor hitpoint', 'shield capacity' and train up the related skills. (Like Mechanic to 5) Spending a few hundred mil on implants and a few weeks of training can make you a significantly harder target. A determined enough foe can kill you. But they may not have enough capacity to take care of you at that moment. gl hf diaf We checked with the GM's and it is not. It is called preparing concord.
Quote: [quote=Erotica 1]
It's funny that most of the intelligent comments I have read on here are from the goons themselves.
Maybe we should just ban pvp in all of high sec, so that we could fix the issue for one group of players and mess everyone else's game up. I mean we did it with mining ships why not.
Seriously though, haulers need to learn better strategies instead of calling for some new patch.
However, I am prepared to offer protection for any freighters that require it for a small fee. You will put your freighter alts (mains for some of you....) into my corp. We will run freighters as groups with armed escorts. I have already setup 20 new accounts to multibox with and I have some friends ready to move their toons in as well.
1. Pay a one-time application fee of only 250m. Please send to corp or my ceo and mark "freighter service" so I do not accidentally double your isk on my character.
2. Monthly fee will be 100m.
3. We will coordinate runs as small groups of freighters with an armed escrort. If gankers show up, we will web your ship to allow a quick warp to a corp safespot, rep your freighter as needed with our guardians, and finish off the gankers with the main escort fleet. We will then continue on. We will have multiple safes in each system so you can quickly warp no matter how you get bumped.
***BONUS If your ship is lost in fleets....
1. We will buy you a new identical ship at no cost to you.
2. We wil reimburse you for any lost collateral up to 3 billion per haul. We must limit this amount to guard against fraud.
3. NO limit on reimbursements. You pay us to take on the risk for you. You will earn slightly less a month, but you won't have to worry anymore about losing a 1.5+b ship and its contents/collateral.
Wait, there's more!
If you cannot afford or otherwise do not wish to partake in monthly option, you may rent our services for 25m a day. You will still have to join our corp for that day and fly in our fleets, but you can use us off and on.
***SPECIAL BONUS
You may prepay in advance and save fees!
Options:
1. Bronze: Send 450m isk, which covers your application fee and 3 months of coverage. This saves you 100m isk over 3 months. (better deal)
2. Silver: Send 700m isk, which covers your application fee and 6 months of coverage. This saves you 150m isk over 6 months. (even better deal)
3. Gold: Send 1b isk, which covers your application fee and 12 months of coverage. This saves you 450m isk over 12 months. (most popular package)
4. Platinum: Send 2b isk, which covers your application fee and LIFETIME use of our services, which may save you billions, not to mention you stop losing any more isk ever again to gankers! (BEST deal)
Feel free to reach out to me with any questions you may have. I think I have covered all the bases here.
Please note that I am already getting lots of questions since I floated this idea elsewhere recently.
To ensure you reserve a spot before corp is filled, act now to secure your spot!
IRONCLAD GUARANTEE:
If for ANY reason you are unsatisfied with our service, you may demand a no-questions asked 100% full refund within 30 days. I am absolutely convinced you will love our service so much
We are making a list for people who want to pay protection. It is 500m a month. It is not a scam. We will coach you on best practices to avoid getting ganked by others. Should you choose not to pay after the first month, we know who you are and can easily take care of you. Miniluv is really doing a service by teach people how to ship securely and not die. If we don't suicide gank you someone else will. The copycats like Persona non gratis, Gypsy Band, etc
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Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2012.09.27 23:38:00 -
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What's needed are Wave Motion Guns on freighters. Problem solved. CCP? |
Anu Koir
New Eden Burns
0
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Posted - 2012.09.28 04:47:00 -
[516] - Quote
the 'problem' will never be 'solved'. I hate to say it (no I don't) but there are people in EVE that want to have absolutely zero risk to have craptons of isk 'earned' while being afk. Ironic as it is, CCP's fought hard to stop this from occurring, as it takes away from actually playing the game. They've hunted and successfully gotten rid of almost every single bot, with the majority of the 'bots' left being in between the ages of 4 to 8 in RL (in regards to ice harvesting/mining). They thankfully fixed the COSMOS sites that people were abusing with Ishtars, Rattlesnakes, and Gilas, but haven't completely removed all sources of 'afk isk'. The 'problem' is that the current 'afk isk' making things deal with copying/researching or PI/moon goo. Of course, we all know that if the amount of isk spent on a freighter were to go into copying bpos the risk would be very minimal, but the reward wouldn't be big enough for the freighter/indy pilots to feel they have 'beaten' the system and make omglolwtfpwnage amounts of isk. Yes, I know what I just said, and that is how they think.
to sum it up into 4 points:
1. freighter pilots need to do things not afk and with an alt for near instawarp capabilities/rr to screw with suicide gankers. 2. enough non-combat pilots will always whine about not making enough isk 'safely' as they want a game like world of warcrap with the afk plexing possibilities of EVE (no I'm not sorry for the 'language') 3. Keep in mind, I am an indy pilot.
Fly Fun! :)
oh, and uh, 'Murkah! F* Yeah! here to save the mutherf*cking day yeah!
EDIT:
and oh yeah, as an indy pilot, thanks to indy pilots I now don't pull in as much isk at various times of the year thanks to a lack of hulkageddon based events. I used to sell craptons of exhumers. Yes, prices are 'higher', but actual demand is down, unfortunately. I don't sell anywhere near the amount I used to because they're just not bought as often thanks to less ganks.
thank you other indy guys, you've screwed over the market again. |
Tech3ZH
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2012.09.28 07:08:00 -
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Think about how ubersweet it would be to have Obelisks, Charons, Trackless jawa crawlers in space, and those amarr freighters-on-the-half-shell things all with Wave Motion Guns standing by to blast any obstacles to safety!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVoDoTlaITU
It'd be like fleets of highsec super titans! 100s of billions of isk could be afked everywhere with no need for anyone to pay attention to anything! fun fun fun... |
Sgmorris
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.29 10:35:00 -
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i rejoined the game a few months ago and join a corp in FA left soon after i found out FA was joining GOONS in there empire ganking . i hate empire gankers... more for 0.0 alliances you have 0.0 space and you cant find stuff to kill? then leave 0.0 .... i would hope eve-online would stop empire ganking ... its un fear play.... your killing targets that have no chance to defend it self ... and i have little to none respect for any one who ganks in empire and is not a true pvper just an ass hole ......... |
VegasMirage
The Scope Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.09.29 11:36:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:BillyBanter wrote:I studied how this goon corp is ganking so many freighters in Uedema and surrounding systems. They wait for a target, once a freighter is in the system they will bump it to stop it from going anywhere. They will shoot it with an alt character to get the freighter into pvp, this stops the pilot from logging out. Due to how effective this is, there is no escape for the freighter pilot. Once you've jumped into that system in a freighter, you've given them a 100% guaranteed kill on you. Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one.
I also watched their characters log in one by one and then suddenly all of them logged off on my contacts at precisely the same moment, looks like his computer crashed :D
Checked their character history, about half of them joined the corp on the same day and the other half were all new characters, created on the same day, earlier this year.
They also use log in traps, to trick people into thinking they're offline, the bumpers wait for a target and when one is found and held in place, the ganking characters are logged in to destroy it.
Perhaps everyone should start doing this, it's a really easy way to earn isk and get epic kills. Plenty of people with multiple accounts and the time to burn.
For a list of their ganking characters just look up Furious Father on a killboard and see his freighter kills and who was part of it. One of the many things wrong with the game. With endless isk from CCP's moon-goo debacle, Goon's can buy and pay for any number of accounts, any number of ships, and create havoc in the game without any help at all. You can create a 500 man blob with 50 people easily, don't have to worry about everyone logging on, as long as the core players are there. I wonder if CCP will ever disclose how many live people actually play the game anymore. If they have 300k subs, I'd bet there are no more than 20k-30k people running them all.
you're on to something here, keep investigating and by all means post your findings for our perusal
...and when in doubt, just post illogical arguments that have no basis
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Samahiel Sotken
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.09.29 15:28:00 -
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Sgmorris wrote:[I] (I is always capitalized as is the first word of a sentence) rejoined the game a few months ago[,] (conjunctions require commas) and join[ed] (proper tense) a corp in FA[.](period at the end of complete sentence)] [I] left soon after [I] found out FA was joining [Goons] (proper noun, not an acronym) in [their] (there/their/they're) empire ganking. [I] hate empire gankers[.] (ellipses indicate omissions of words or phrases; not dramatic pauses.) [F]or 0.0 alliances you have 0.0 space and [if] you cant find stuff to kill then leave 0.0 [.] (Also ellipses are three periods not some random number that feels right) [I] would hope [CCP] (Eve Online is the game and without volition. CCP would be the ones making a change) would stop empire ganking[;] [it's] [unfair] play[,] [you're] killing targets that have no chance to defend [themselves] (subject/verb agreement) [,] and [I] have little to [no] respect for anyone who ganks in empire[.] (run on sentence so I'll make a structural change) [They are] not a true pvper, just an *******.
If you're going to claim to be former CFC don't post like an illiterate stroke victim, thank you. |
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Ra Jackson
PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus
35
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:34:00 -
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BillyBanter wrote:I studied how this goon corp is ganking so many freighters in Uedema and surrounding systems. They wait for a target, once a freighter is in the system they will bump it to stop it from going anywhere.
This is actually a petitionable offense. Permanent bumping on gates or stations is a no-no. |
Pipa Porto
1077
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:46:00 -
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Ra Jackson wrote:BillyBanter wrote:I studied how this goon corp is ganking so many freighters in Uedema and surrounding systems. They wait for a target, once a freighter is in the system they will bump it to stop it from going anywhere. This is actually a petitionable offense. Permanent bumping on gates or stations is a no-no.
Good thing the Bumping that's happening isn't permanent. It's bumping for a purpose (that purpose being to set the Freighter up for a Gank). Perfectly legitimate (just like bumping battleships and carriers off station to kill them). EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Ra Jackson
PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus
35
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:59:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Ra Jackson wrote:BillyBanter wrote:I studied how this goon corp is ganking so many freighters in Uedema and surrounding systems. They wait for a target, once a freighter is in the system they will bump it to stop it from going anywhere. This is actually a petitionable offense. Permanent bumping on gates or stations is a no-no. Good thing the Bumping that's happening isn't permanent. It's bumping for a purpose (that purpose being to set the Freighter up for a Gank). Perfectly legitimate (just like bumping battleships and carriers off station to kill them).
As it sounds from the OP the bumping is just to annoy the freighter pilot and force him log off as he cannot do anything else. Calling it "preparing for a gank" is a little far stretched, but I'll leave that to CCP to decide. |
Pipa Porto
1077
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Posted - 2012.09.30 00:45:00 -
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Ra Jackson wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Ra Jackson wrote:BillyBanter wrote:I studied how this goon corp is ganking so many freighters in Uedema and surrounding systems. They wait for a target, once a freighter is in the system they will bump it to stop it from going anywhere. This is actually a petitionable offense. Permanent bumping on gates or stations is a no-no. Good thing the Bumping that's happening isn't permanent. It's bumping for a purpose (that purpose being to set the Freighter up for a Gank). Perfectly legitimate (just like bumping battleships and carriers off station to kill them). As it sounds from the OP the bumping is just to annoy the freighter pilot and force him log off as he cannot do anything else. Calling it "preparing for a gank" is a little far stretched, but I'll leave that to CCP to decide.
Nope. The OP's complaining that the bumping (and shooting with the cheap frigate alt) is to force him away from the gate with a 15m combat logout timer, so that his choices are Log out (resulting in the Freighter warping off and the gankers having 15m to scan him down) or staying online (resulting in the bump ship driving the freighter away from the gate guns). Either way works for the gank fleet.
Quote:They also use log in traps, to trick people into thinking they're offline, the bumpers wait for a target and when one is found and held in place, the ganking characters are logged in to destroy it. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Escomboli
Faceless Men
0
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Posted - 2012.10.01 03:45:00 -
[525] - Quote
Easiest solution to this problem is to hire Red/Blue/Black Frog Freighter. They pay a collateral. If they pop, you get the isk. That way you don't end up like this guy: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17489748
After I lost a hauler full of goodies due to my own stupidity I started using them. Best decision I've made in a long time. |
Xolve
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
1118
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Posted - 2012.10.01 18:04:00 -
[526] - Quote
Ra Jackson wrote:As it sounds from the OP the bumping is just to annoy the freighter pilot and force him log off as he cannot do anything else. Calling it "preparing for a gank" is a little far stretched, but I'll leave that to CCP to decide.
Sounds like you're talking out of your ass.
Bumping sadly, is a perfectly viable game mechanic, and will remain so- as what GM wants to deal with that floodgate of reimbursement requests should they change it. Furthermore, freighting much like anything else that happens in High Sec, isn't as safe as you bleating idiots want to pretend it is, stop crying. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Karah Serrigan
The Hatchery Team Liquid
71
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Posted - 2012.10.01 18:26:00 -
[527] - Quote
Xolve wrote:Ra Jackson wrote:As it sounds from the OP the bumping is just to annoy the freighter pilot and force him log off as he cannot do anything else. Calling it "preparing for a gank" is a little far stretched, but I'll leave that to CCP to decide. Sounds like you're talking out of your ass. Bumping sadly, is a perfectly viable game mechanic, and will remain so- as what GM wants to deal with that floodgate of reimbursement requests should they change it. Furthermore, freighting much like anything else that happens in High Sec, isn't as safe as you bleating idiots want to pretend it is, stop crying. Actually, continuously bumping someone for no reason is indeed a petiotinable offense. Of course this doesn't apply to your ganking, because you are bumping them for a reason. |
VegasMirage
The Scope Gallente Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.10.02 14:43:00 -
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Karah Serrigan wrote:Xolve wrote:Ra Jackson wrote:As it sounds from the OP the bumping is just to annoy the freighter pilot and force him log off as he cannot do anything else. Calling it "preparing for a gank" is a little far stretched, but I'll leave that to CCP to decide. Sounds like you're talking out of your ass. Bumping sadly, is a perfectly viable game mechanic, and will remain so- as what GM wants to deal with that floodgate of reimbursement requests should they change it. Furthermore, freighting much like anything else that happens in High Sec, isn't as safe as you bleating idiots want to pretend it is, stop crying. Actually, continuously bumping someone for no reason is indeed a petiotinable offense. Of course this doesn't apply to your ganking, because you are bumping them for a reason.
I hope you have first hand evidence to support your ::sperg:: outburst
simply, you are wrong I personally have GM petitions and responses on the topic [therefore I am an expert at bowling industrial capitals]
players were bored decided to play freighter bowling, test subject was continually bumped from gate to some offgrid point like 1700 km this went on for an hour, pilot cried in local, cried in private convo then began the petitioning process
unless it''s changed in the last 6 months then bump anybody as many times as you like with CCP blessings
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Pipa Porto
1103
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Posted - 2012.10.02 15:02:00 -
[529] - Quote
VegasMirage wrote:Karah Serrigan wrote:Xolve wrote:Ra Jackson wrote:As it sounds from the OP the bumping is just to annoy the freighter pilot and force him log off as he cannot do anything else. Calling it "preparing for a gank" is a little far stretched, but I'll leave that to CCP to decide. Sounds like you're talking out of your ass. Bumping sadly, is a perfectly viable game mechanic, and will remain so- as what GM wants to deal with that floodgate of reimbursement requests should they change it. Furthermore, freighting much like anything else that happens in High Sec, isn't as safe as you bleating idiots want to pretend it is, stop crying. Actually, continuously bumping someone for no reason is indeed a petiotinable offense. Of course this doesn't apply to your ganking, because you are bumping them for a reason. I hope you have first hand evidence to support your ::sperg:: outburst simply, you are wrong I personally have GM petitions and responses on the topic [therefore I am an expert at bowling industrial capitals] players were bored decided to play freighter bowling, test subject was continually bumped from gate to some offgrid point like 1700 km this went on for an hour, pilot cried in local, cried in private convo then began the petitioning process unless it''s changed in the last 6 months then bump anybody as many times as you like with CCP blessings
Well heck, something has changed. There used to be a line about indefinitely bumping freighters. That line seems to have disappeared.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
All ineedislotion
Kroll's Legion
0
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Posted - 2012.10.03 03:30:00 -
[530] - Quote
I think that ganking should defiantly be part of the game but the way the goons do freighter ganking should be made to be an exploit by ccp. One player should not be able to bump another player without any consequences. If a man is walking down the street and you keep bumping him that would be considered assault. The same should be in eve. Also the mechanic of a person who is pointed by a 3 day old character getting an agression timer for doing nothing more then trying to warp through system is flawed. If goons want the gank they should have to commit to it and not be able to play these stupid games of bump someone for 15minutes till they are frustrated and log. Or bump for 15minutes till they can get their fleet in order. Unless you are in low, null or at war with someone bumping a ship more then a few times should be aggression. Or if not change 15minute timer to 2 minutes so goons have to scan down and kill the ship in 2 minutes. 15 minutes is way too long.
And on another note it's lame that the goons who have more isk then they ever need are allowed to constantly manipulate markets and game mechanics without any consequences as well. Hulkageddon with mineral manipulation, the fw lp store manipulation and this ganking freighter manipulation are only a few things they exploit. A game should not be so much waited to please a few percentage of the haves and against the majority of the have nots. This game isn't the united states and goons should not be allowed to be bernie madolf. |
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Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
319
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Posted - 2012.10.03 12:56:00 -
[531] - Quote
Put all of your loot in a freight can, trade that freight can to an alt, have that alt courier it to your freighter pilot.
No more gank.
~One of the guys running the ganks~ |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:00:00 -
[532] - Quote
Powers Sa wrote:Put all of your loot in a freight can, trade that freight can to an alt, have that alt courier it to your freighter pilot.
No more gank.
~One of the guys running the ganks~
I though there was a way to open such things... Newbie misstake I guess. |
D'Om K'vash
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.10.03 17:57:00 -
[533] - Quote
All ineedislotion wrote:I think that ganking should defiantly be part of the game but the way the goons do freighter ganking should be made to be an exploit by ccp. One player should not be able to bump another player without any consequences. If a man is walking down the street and you keep bumping him that would be considered assault. The same should be in eve. Also the mechanic of a person who is pointed by a 3 day old character getting an agression timer for doing nothing more then trying to warp through system is flawed. If goons want the gank they should have to commit to it and not be able to play these stupid games of bump someone for 15minutes till they are frustrated and log. Or bump for 15minutes till they can get their fleet in order. Unless you are in low, null or at war with someone bumping a ship more then a few times should be aggression. Or if not change 15minute timer to 2 minutes so goons have to scan down and kill the ship in 2 minutes. 15 minutes is way too long.
And on another note it's lame that the goons who have more isk then they ever need are allowed to constantly manipulate markets and game mechanics without any consequences as well. Hulkageddon with mineral manipulation, the fw lp store manipulation and this ganking freighter manipulation are only a few things they exploit. A game should not be so much weighted to please a few percentage of the haves and against the majority of the have nots. This game isn't the united states and goons should not be allowed to be bernie madolf.
I second this. Goons should have to commit. 15minute aggression timer for a ship that makes no aggression is beyond absurd. Ganking should not be so easy of a freighter in high sec. Also bumping for more then a few minutes in high sec is with no consequences is also absurd. It should be considered harassment. But ccp is just a bunch of goon lackeys so I'm sure you'll see no change because half of ccp is goons and all but 2 of csm is goons. They are more then the Bernie Madolfs they are the mitt Romneys of eve. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
86
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:20:00 -
[534] - Quote
don't pack 10 billion in your freighter and you won't get ganked.. it's a pretty simple concept |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:53:00 -
[535] - Quote
D'Om K'vash wrote:
I second this. Goons should have to commit. 15minute aggression timer for a ship that makes no aggression is beyond absurd. Ganking should not be so easy of a freighter in high sec. Also bumping for more then a few minutes in high sec is with no consequences is also absurd. It should be considered harassment. But ccp is just a bunch of goon lackeys so I'm sure you'll see no change because half of ccp is goons and all but 2 of csm is goons. They are more then the Bernie Madolfs they are the mitt Romneys of eve.
If you don't have too much value in your cargo hold, you will not get ganked. |
Xolve
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
1122
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Posted - 2012.10.03 18:56:00 -
[536] - Quote
D'Om K'vash wrote:I second this. Goons should have to commit. 15minute aggression timer for a ship that makes no aggression is beyond absurd. Ganking should not be so easy of a freighter in high sec. Also bumping for more then a few minutes in high sec is with no consequences is also absurd. It should be considered harassment. But ccp is just a bunch of goon lackeys so I'm sure you'll see no change because half of ccp is goons and all but 2 of csm is goons. They are more then the Bernie Madolfs they are the mitt Romneys of eve.
Oh I heard you wanted to do whatever you want in High Sec.
How Novel. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
D'Om K'vash
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:19:00 -
[537] - Quote
writing don't fly with a lot of isk in your cargo is not a counter argument to the 15minute timer is a flawed mechanic and bumping should not be allowed. Thats like when there was discussions on dramiel being op'd. People would just say "dont' fight a dramiel if you see it on d scan run away.. or get a dramiel"
My opinion is that 15min aggression timer applied to player who has committed no aggression is not a good game mechanic and bumping for extended periods of time in high sec against non wts should be considered harassment or get aggression.
If you hava counter argument to this please post but if you are just a goon or pirate ganker with the advice of ".. uh well don't put 10 bil in your hold" then please just go back to your 10 accounts in niarja and gank more people so we can get this game mechanic changed by ccp. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
148
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:35:00 -
[538] - Quote
I like how this thread is basically
Reasonable Person wrote: Don't make yourself a target by packing so much value into your freighter.
or
Howling Angry Pubbie wrote: GOONS GOONS GOONS I SHOULD BE ABLE TO PACK INFINITE ISK INTO MY FREIGHTER AND BE 100% SAFE IN HIGHSEC.
Making yourself profitable to gank through your own stupidity is a wonderful thing. Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining! |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
148
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:47:00 -
[539] - Quote
Let's play deconstruct the terrible pubbie argument.
writing don't fly with a lot of isk in your cargo is not a counter argument to the 15minute timer is a flawed mechanic and bumping should not be allowed.
It is a grand counter argument, it places risk:reward directly into your hands. You can choose to make a greater reward by packing more valuable stuff in your cargo but, this also directly proportional to the risk increased by making yourself more of a target the saying "profitable to gank" comes to mind. You have complete control over your own risk:reward ratio for better or worse.
Also consider that the 15 minute timer applies in more circumstances than just your own with freighter emergency warp log out aggression. If the mechanic were removed tackled titans could log out and get away instead of dieing, logging out becomes the new "reset or load old saved game" button for pvp.
Thats like when there was discussions on dramiel being op'd. People would just say "dont' fight a dramiel if you see it on d scan run away.. or get a dramiel"
This is plain stupid and is a terrible comparison to what we're talking about now.
My opinion is that 15min aggression timer applied to player who has committed no aggression is not a good game mechanic and bumping for extended periods of time in high sec against non wts should be considered harassment or get aggression.
That's your opinion and its a bad one. For example if bumping caused aggression highsec gates and undocks would be death zones. Many people are constantly using these and small bumps are very common so not only would you be out a ship but you also would not get any insurance and you'd lose security status. As funny as this would be bumping should remain an option and also completely free of aggression mechanics.
If you hava counter argument to this please post but if you are just a goon or pirate ganker with the advice of ".. uh well don't put 10 bil in your hold" then please just go back to your 10 accounts in niarja and gank more people so we can get this game mechanic changed by ccp.
Basically you are going to completely ignore any opposing view points and solely wish to attract other howling pubbies in case CCP will cave to your demands like they did to the miner's demands. Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining! |
D'Om K'vash
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.10.03 21:03:00 -
[540] - Quote
Thats why i said bumping for an extended period of time.. of course any bump shouldn't be aggression but allowing players to bump someone in high sec indefinitely with no consequences is absurd.
The titan point is a good point but that in null/low where there is known to be more risk. In high sec though there should be less risk and ganking should not be as easy as it is now. I was not saying remove any aggression timer what so ever i said make it 2 minutes or 3 something that makes it so you have a risk. And only shorten the agression timer in high sec so that you still have time to kill your titans and super caps. Also a freighter has like 150k ehp that can be alphad with a small gang of tornados. A freighter in high sec is not the same as a super cap. This is another case of null sec mechanic chage that has negativly effected high sec players. when you have 15 minutes in high sec (which is a lifetime in eve) if they log or unlimited time if they stay on and you bump there is no risk to you. You know exactly the ships you need to kill it there is no chance that you will fail in ganking the ship. You know it's cargo and that you will make isk. there is no risk on your side that you will fail. And if the only defense of the pilot being attacked is.."don't haul so much stuff" that is a stupid argument.
And it's funny that you say i will completely ignore opposing view point.. I think you have me confused with a goon. You guys only consider what is good for you and the goons. ( who are the richest and most well off in this game) You never consider what is good for the game or other players. So get out of here with that bull **** statement like goons have ever considered anyone's arguments but their own. |
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