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Jonah Gravenstein
1327
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:33:00 -
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Ghazu wrote: With a ransom payment.
To steal a line from an Eve blog (possibly Mylootyourtears)
"Suddenly Betrayal"
CCP can't patch stupid. |
Ghazu
196
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:35:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Ghazu wrote:PI Maker wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:BillyBanter wrote:The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.
It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel. No the simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing. please show me how to beat an alpha strike. you'll be the most famous man in eve With a ransom payment. They don't even ask. They cargo scan and shoot if you are worth it. Economics vOv |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1491
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:36:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Ghazu wrote:With a ransom payment. They don't even ask. They cargo scan and shoot if you are worth it. Economics vOv They'll ask you for 4 bil, you'll say no, and try to get away. Giving the freighter time to do that isn't really the best when your tackler will pop soon.
Or they can just pop you and take their chances. They might get 4 bil, or maybe none, or maybe 8 bil. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Ghazu
196
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:38:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ghazu wrote: With a ransom payment.
To steal a line from an Eve blog (possibly Mylootyourtears) "Suddenly Betrayal" We actually honor ransoms because of concord etc, unless it's a known hostile entity's freighters. |
Jonah Gravenstein
1328
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:40:00 -
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You honour ransoms? what blasphemy is this? With the reputation of your alliance I expected more from you CCP can't patch stupid. |
Malice Redeemer
Redeemer Group Joint Venture Conglomerate
124
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:46:00 -
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WAIT! We can't stop here |
Cede Forster
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
89
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:50:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Discussion on goons usually = locked by goon ISD...
IB4 ISD...
i would like to take this opportunity and say
HA! You were WRONG! |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:52:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Ghazu wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Ghazu wrote:With a ransom payment. They don't even ask. They cargo scan and shoot if you are worth it. Economics vOv They'll ask you for 4 bil, you'll say no, and try to get away. Giving the freighter time to do that isn't really the best when your tackler will pop soon. Or they can just pop you and take their chances. They might get 4 bil, or maybe none, or maybe 8 bil.
What if you bumped him off align instead of tackling? The clock on DC timer become your enemy I guess. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
190
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:54:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:BillyBanter wrote: Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one. Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.
you cant biomass a character with negative sec status. they are either using trial accounts and just letting the accounts lapse or turning the alts into cyno alts once they are done.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1492
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:55:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:What if you bumped him off align instead of tackling? The clock on DC timer become your enemy I guess. Yeah, there's various things you can do. Obviously if they're autopiloting they will be a good way from the gate, so if you bump them so they can't warp you should be good. But you're using precious seconds to try and negotiate with someone when you can try your luck at the (risk accepted therefore irrelevant) ganking-success-probability and then loot-drop-distribution games. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1493
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:56:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:you cant biomass a character with negative sec status. they are either using trial accounts and just letting the accounts lapse or turning the alts into cyno alts once they are done. The secret of our bad cynoing habits - random alts are being used, no wonder people jump into hostile fleets when they see "xxA Gankerxx as their cyno." Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:00:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Theodoric Darkwind wrote:you cant biomass a character with negative sec status. they are either using trial accounts and just letting the accounts lapse or turning the alts into cyno alts once they are done. The secret of our bad cynoing habits - random alts are being used, no wonder people jump into hostile fleets when they see "xxA Gankerxx as their cyno."
If this si really happening, I really need to find a way to experience it once. |
Ghazu
196
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:03:00 -
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Duh we just get our elite pve on to fix the sec status. |
Pipa Porto
962
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Posted - 2012.09.19 04:51:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Breaking windows means more work for glaziers which is good for the economy? Besides, I thought high-sec existed to keep null-sec supplied? How does interrupting the high<->null supply chain help in that regard?
When the entire game's economy is explicitly based on of replacing broken windows, breaking a window is good for the economy, yes. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto
Woof. |
Pipa Porto
962
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Posted - 2012.09.19 05:10:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:CCP didn't patch exhumer stupid, they just buffed the exhumers, they still die in a hilarious manner because fools still fit them for max yield and wonder why they die. See my sig. They attempted to. At least give them credit for that. Stupidity is an amazingly powerful final boss, it has many Final Forms that you have to defeat like some horribly sadistic grinding game where you need to hit the level cap, grind the uberweapons and break your damage limits to even have a chance at surviving the final boss' first few "easy" forms.
I didn't realize WoW's final boss was called Stupidity.
Huh, learn something new every day. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto
Woof. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1495
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Posted - 2012.09.19 05:20:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:CCP didn't patch exhumer stupid, they just buffed the exhumers, they still die in a hilarious manner because fools still fit them for max yield and wonder why they die. See my sig. They attempted to. At least give them credit for that. Stupidity is an amazingly powerful final boss, it has many Final Forms that you have to defeat like some horribly sadistic grinding game where you need to hit the level cap, grind the uberweapons and break your damage limits to even have a chance at surviving the final boss' first few "easy" forms. I didn't realize WoW's final boss was called Stupidity. Huh, learn something new every day. I was thinking final fantasy really, I don't think WoW has damage limits?
But they's only the biggest boss for now, in the expansion, "Winter Expansion", the new dungeon will open up featuring the new new final bosses Ignorance and Willful Idiocy. This tag team is sure to keep you entertained and paying repair bills until -
You learn how to farm them. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Pipa Porto
962
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Posted - 2012.09.19 05:23:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:CCP didn't patch exhumer stupid, they just buffed the exhumers, they still die in a hilarious manner because fools still fit them for max yield and wonder why they die. See my sig. They attempted to. At least give them credit for that. Stupidity is an amazingly powerful final boss, it has many Final Forms that you have to defeat like some horribly sadistic grinding game where you need to hit the level cap, grind the uberweapons and break your damage limits to even have a chance at surviving the final boss' first few "easy" forms. I didn't realize WoW's final boss was called Stupidity. Huh, learn something new every day. I was thinking final fantasy really, I don't think WoW has damage limits? But they's only the biggest boss for now, in the expansion, "Winter Expansion", the new dungeon will open up featuring the new new final bosses Ignorance and Willful Idiocy. This tag team is sure to keep you entertained and paying repair bills until - You learn how to farm them.
Fair point. That goddamn lightning dodging game. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto
Woof. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1725
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Posted - 2012.09.19 05:40:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:CCP didn't patch exhumer stupid, they just buffed the exhumers, they still die in a hilarious manner because fools still fit them for max yield and wonder why they die. See my sig. They attempted to. At least give them credit for that. Stupidity is an amazingly powerful final boss, it has many Final Forms that you have to defeat like some horribly sadistic grinding game where you need to hit the level cap, grind the uberweapons and break your damage limits to even have a chance at surviving the final boss' first few "easy" forms. I didn't realize WoW's final boss was called Stupidity. Huh, learn something new every day. I was thinking final fantasy really, I don't think WoW has damage limits? But they's only the biggest boss for now, in the expansion, "Winter Expansion", the new dungeon will open up featuring the new new final bosses Ignorance and Willful Idiocy. This tag team is sure to keep you entertained and paying repair bills until - You learn how to farm them. Fair point. That goddam n lightning dodging game. %^%$ 200 in a row. ^%^&%$&*(()@ I'll show you 200 in a row. Heh, sometimes I wonder how that game got to FFXIV... |
Myxx
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
588
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Posted - 2012.09.19 05:55:00 -
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It is not a 100 percent assured kill. If you know what you're doing and are in your own corporation, there are methods of putting the freighter into warp before they are able to shoot it.
I put this together in like, a minute and I don't even fly freighters or rapiers.
[Rapier, Spiderman]
Overdrive Injector System II Inertia Stabilizers II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 10MN Microwarpdrive II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
[Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot]
[Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot]
If you know how CONCORD and other game mechanics work... ganking isn't an issue. I get the impression that most of the people complaining aren't actually aware of how ganking and the game in general actually function.
It also helps if you're not AFK and afk warping around. If you're AFK, you get no points and have no ability to complain when you pop and could prevent it with due research and preperation. |
Dan Carter Murray
125
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Posted - 2012.09.19 06:07:00 -
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I don't think anyone here has actually played WoW.
Yes, use rapier to insta warp freighters.
No, goons don't recruit adults.
No, goons aren't "good" at pvp.
Yes, goons have a few think tank corps that come up with clever ways to make isk.
No, nothing interesting happens in nullsec. |
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PeHD0M
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.09.19 06:59:00 -
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Bumping is a broken mechanic, ofc it should be fixed. Apart from that, bumping the target for a long period of time without shooting it should be petitionable, it is an obvious griefing. |
William Walker
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
83
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Posted - 2012.09.19 07:15:00 -
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I don't see why the freighters just don't log off. Unless they are AFK. |
Pipa Porto
962
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Posted - 2012.09.19 07:28:00 -
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William Walker wrote:I don't see why the freighters just don't log off. Unless they are AFK.
EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto
Woof. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
116
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Posted - 2012.09.19 07:33:00 -
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http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14665735
Another case for the fist of Darwin. Nice drop. |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.09.19 07:38:00 -
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Myxx wrote:It is not a 100 percent assured kill. If you know what you're doing and are in your own corporation, there are methods of putting the freighter into warp before they are able to shoot it.
Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 10MN Microwarpdrive II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
etc. [
Reminds me of a big freighter evac out of Scalding Pass couple years back. 100+ primary/initiative flying escort trying to get the freighters to a titan 10 jumps out for a bridge - pilot starts screaming he's under attack when blue webs him for speed up.
FC was nervous as it was - that really helped keep everything calm and orderly - NOT
[transcript] Clear coms, CLEAR COMS - where's the reds, where where!!!! I got overview glitch!! Where are they?!??!
[pause]
Wha..... You fn idiot... somebody shoot him ffs. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
50
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Posted - 2012.09.19 07:46:00 -
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Well i am a hisec dweller, freighter pilot and industrialist but this thread is awkward.
-There are times of day, when Uedema or Niajra are empty, you can pass. -If you can afford 7B+ worth of goods in your cargo, you can surely afford alt account for freighter web (or cyno alt for jump freighter, carrier, scout etc)
by the way. If you are so angry of suicide ganking and criminals in hisec you can: - buy a stabber, fit 100MN microwarp and bump their tornados to hell. -you can also bump criminals in hisec, for example player with secstatus -2,5 is criminal in jita. You cannot shoot him but can be bumped and cannot warp out. Rest of the job will be in concord/police hands. -or buy yourself nice tier3 BC and wait for their suicide gank and legaly shoot them. You will gain some nice killmails proof1
-or you can sit outside jita 4-4 undock and wait for the outlaws to undock. Shoot those SOBs proof2 or proof3 . Believe me, goon killmail is soo heartwarming like nothing in my miserable hisec life
...so yes, even a good guys can do bad thinks to bad guys. Legaly and without sec status loss and in hisec. -So grow some balls and make criminal life miserable in hisec. GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Plaude Pollard
Crimson Cartel
80
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Posted - 2012.09.19 08:30:00 -
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The reality of Goons ganking Freighters in high-sec is that they do it because they can. People just want Goons to have a motive for all the stuff they do (manipulating the Tech-prices, Hulkageddon V, Gallente Ice Interdiction, you name it). Ganking Freighters in high-sec is nothing but a pastime for Goons. They do it because they can, that's it. The chance of earning lots of money doing it is just extra motivation for them, really.
Besides, even if there's another reason behind their Freighter-ganking, I highly doubt they're going to tell you any time soon. New to EVE? Want to learn? The Crimson Cartel will train you in the fields of your choice. Mainly active in EU afternoons and evenings. Contact me for more info. |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
46
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Posted - 2012.09.19 08:32:00 -
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The reality of this is... normal. This is normal.
No amount of blowing up freighters short of blowing up EVERY freighter will stop bads from over-stuffing their loot-pinata.
It's just an unresolvable lack of communication. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2179
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Posted - 2012.09.19 09:14:00 -
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William Walker wrote:I don't see why the freighters just don't log off. Unless they are AFK.
Many of them did |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
116
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Posted - 2012.09.19 09:23:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:William Walker wrote:I don't see why the freighters just don't log off. Unless they are AFK. Many of them did
Many of the ones you reliefed of their cargo or the ones that got away?
Btw If you would drop a ton of cans in front of all gates leading to Uedama that say "DONT JUMP IN YOUR FREIGHTER YOU ARE GOING TO GET GANKED" they still would jump in happily. |
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