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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
201
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Posted - 2012.09.19 10:36:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:They collect bills in loot. Are people really still not understanding WTF is ahppening in a gank? Even a newbie like me got enough information to know a 900 mill penalty would only change where the bar for profitable is. Insetad of a ship with 2 bill inside, they woudl aim for 4 bill... Yes but by pushing that bar high enough it becomes possible to carry a reasonable value in cargo and not be a profitable target.
Th vast majority of people in eve would consider the 1.8 bil amount a freighter can carry without becoming an obvious target perfectly reasonable. And if you want to carry 3 bil of crago there is a certain other ship with a 300k plus hold than can carry that value without being a target either. Or you could just do 2 freighter runs. Really the only cargo that must make you a target is one that is unsplittable and has a value of over 1.8bil (if 360k to 980k in size) or over 3bil (if under 360k). How many such cargos actually need to be moved through gankspots in truth? Pretty much none.
So everyone losing an overvalued freighter is being lazy, tight or is just underequiped/underskilled for the job they are taking on.
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Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
182
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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:00:00 -
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Quote:Sure, because it's oh so practical for every freighter in empire to be guarded by a fleet of ships
Much to learn you have young Padwan!
Step 1. Stop seeing yourself as a victim and stop pretending this is a single player game. If your doing it solo, your doing it wrong, plain and simple. You can't come to a team game and complain that you got beat team vs. One.
Step 2. Nothing is easy in this game, people just make it look easy through coordination. Ganking a 100EHP (though your low balling its higher than that) is not easy.
Step 3. Understand that no one attacks an empty freighter, nor do people attack it if its carrying low value cargo. Another words, your perfectly safe flying around in a freight with a bit of cargo, but if your going to throw billions of cargo in their, you will get nailed, ****.. I don't even suicide gank but you give me an opportunity like that and I may just change my mind about it.
The lesson to learn here is that this is a player driven game, you have options, your just not paying attention and instead you are trying to get someone to feel sorry enough for you to change the game knowing that full well that CCP is weak and it will probably work. So thanks for ******* it up for everyone. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
BillyBanter
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:01:00 -
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I present to you one of goons throw away alts that they use to flag freighters using rookie ships with, to stop them logging out to escape.
"Throw Away08" Month old disposable alt, with -1.3 sec status, currently camped in Uedema. |
Agent Akari
Hobo Industries Inc Orbital Bombardmant
60
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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:21:00 -
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What if my Freighter has 20 bil of cargo and 8 players in remote armor repair ships on me, will it stop suicide ganking? |
Christ Illusion
Atrocity Vendors
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:23:00 -
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i just randomly looked some killmail. several billions of cargo / freighter. are those freighter pilots normal? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1499
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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:48:00 -
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Christ Illusion wrote:i just randomly looked some killmail. several billions of cargo / freighter. are those freighter pilots normal? Not THAT normal, but normal enough that there's plenty of killmails to go around. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
112
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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:54:00 -
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BillyBanter wrote:
Sure, because it's oh so practical for every freighter in empire to be guarded by a fleet of ships.
In this topic: a frigate scout, perhaps with a web fitted, is defined as "a fleet of ships".
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
655
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Posted - 2012.09.19 12:18:00 -
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Just a quite note to an earlier poster:
You won't find any kill mails of Red Frog pilots.
/All/ their freighter pilots are in different corps, with just a contract alt in Red Frog. This is their 'wartime' model. It was adopted as their regular model after an in corp gank. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Gun Gal
Dark Club
94
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Posted - 2012.09.19 12:20:00 -
[279] - Quote
Amazing Justifying exploitable offenses, no risk vs reward, recyclable characters
Eve has come a long way, but its still going down the toilet due to you *******. |
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
216
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Posted - 2012.09.19 12:21:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:by the way. If you are so angry of suicide ganking and criminals in hisec you can:
I made a gank squad mad some time ago by following them around in a hauler.
It must make the equations harder if there is a possibility someone else will beat you to the loot. |
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Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.09.19 12:26:00 -
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Agent Akari wrote:What if my Freighter has 20 bil of cargo and 8 players in remote armor repair ships on me, will it stop suicide ganking?
Probably. The info in the thread is they do not kill freighter with an alpha strike but high dps instead so repairs might work. Your only remaining problem is how many system ahead do they scout and do they have extra shooter available to put the extra needed dps on the target. If you are carrying 20 bill, they can technically put 10 bill of ships worth ahead of you at the gank spot if they have enough player available. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations Paper Tiger Coalition
363
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Posted - 2012.09.19 12:28:00 -
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I'm all for ganking if people like doing it , it is part of eve.The only thing wich allways has concerned me is the throw away negative sec chars.That goes for the freighter ganking now , the hulkageddon thingy and all other previous forms that we have seen .
Easy to fix though , characters with a -sec stat can not be removed from your account until they are positive again.Should be able to implement such a thing in a few days is my guess IF CCP wanted to since they claim to be against recycle alts. |
Jonah Gravenstein
1340
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Posted - 2012.09.19 12:28:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Just a quite note to an earlier poster:
You won't find any kill mails of Red Frog pilots.
/All/ their freighter pilots are in different corps, with just a contract alt in Red Frog. This is their 'wartime' model. It was adopted as their regular model after an in corp gank.
You'll see a similar model being used by service corps such as Pro Synergy when they're at war, at least that's my recent experience. TBH it's just common sense
CCP can't patch stupid. |
Arya Greywolf
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.09.19 13:00:00 -
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John Ratcliffe wrote:I've already proposed the solution to this. Make it impossible to attack anyone else from your own race. Make it impossible for other races to enter the Low-Sec or High-Sec space of any other race.
Then Goon Swarm or any other fuckwits will then have to grief in nullsec where they can be avoided.
Simples.
This is literally the worst Idea I've seen in a long time.
Read this please, and understand it:
Samahiel Sotken wrote: I fail to understand the premise for why a mechanic change is at all necessary. We all signed up knowing this was a PVP MMO about violence in space. The trailers themselves include acts of theft, piracy, and espionage. Everything here is working as intended as far as I can tell. The poor decisions of a few pilots unskilled in the mechanics of the game does not constitute grounds for wild, unjustified theory crafting.
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Germaldi's Mum
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 13:44:00 -
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PeHD0M wrote:Bumping is a broken mechanic, ofc it should be fixed. Apart from that, bumping the target for a long period of time without shooting it should be petitionable, it is an obvious griefing.
in X3 Terran Conflict if you bump a big ship with a small ship u will die or take heavy damage... and all u do to the big ship is damage the big ship's shields.
in eve bumping should be made similar. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2012.09.19 13:50:00 -
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Germaldi's Mum wrote:PeHD0M wrote:Bumping is a broken mechanic, ofc it should be fixed. Apart from that, bumping the target for a long period of time without shooting it should be petitionable, it is an obvious griefing. in X3 Terran Conflict if you bump a big ship with a small ship u will die or take heavy damage... and all u do to the big ship is damage the big ship's shields. in eve bumping should be made similar.
And what if you throw more ship at it? 1 EHP = 1 DMG?
Can you use a super shield tanked ship to camp Jita undock and have ship blowup on your shield? Might be worth checking how much shield HP you can get on a cheap ship. |
Lex Alandar
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
5
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Posted - 2012.09.19 14:13:00 -
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15 pages is alot so I said fuckthat
on the off-chance this hasn't been mentioned...
webs?
Seriously, if you have billions in cargo but can't be bothered to put a fresh alt in a triple-web ship to follow you around empire, it's your own damn fault.
1. hours (not even days of training time) 2. most empire warps are long enough for the webber to deaggro on the slow freighter warp 3. all of a sudden you're a whole lot harder to catch
I learned about the importance of webbing freighters in 2007 when I had barely been playing the game for a couple months. WTF do so many people who play this game just whine on forums instead of learning the game mechanics??? I've seen that ever since I started playing as well. |
PI Maker
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 14:13:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:BillyBanter wrote: Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one. Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them. you cant biomass a character with negative sec status. they are either using trial accounts and just letting the accounts lapse or turning the alts into cyno alts once they are done. you can biomass a character with neg status. i have done it. however, the character had one sec status hit and that was from shooting a customs office. maybe its tied to player agression or actual player kills. |
PI Maker
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 14:15:00 -
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Myxx wrote:It is not a 100 percent assured kill. If you know what you're doing and are in your own corporation, there are methods of putting the freighter into warp before they are able to shoot it.
I put this together in like, a minute and I don't even fly freighters or rapiers.
[Rapier, Spiderman]
Overdrive Injector System II Inertia Stabilizers II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 10MN Microwarpdrive II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
[Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot]
[Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot]
If you know how CONCORD and other game mechanics work... ganking isn't an issue. I get the impression that most of the people complaining aren't actually aware of how ganking and the game in general actually function.
It also helps if you're not AFK and afk warping around. If you're AFK, you get no points and have no ability to complain when you pop and could prevent it with due research and preperation. you do realize they can just shoot the slinger first, right? |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.09.19 14:22:00 -
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PI Maker wrote:Myxx wrote:It is not a 100 percent assured kill. If you know what you're doing and are in your own corporation, there are methods of putting the freighter into warp before they are able to shoot it.
I put this together in like, a minute and I don't even fly freighters or rapiers.
[Rapier, Spiderman]
Overdrive Injector System II Inertia Stabilizers II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 10MN Microwarpdrive II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
[Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot]
[Empty Rig slot] [Empty Rig slot]
If you know how CONCORD and other game mechanics work... ganking isn't an issue. I get the impression that most of the people complaining aren't actually aware of how ganking and the game in general actually function.
It also helps if you're not AFK and afk warping around. If you're AFK, you get no points and have no ability to complain when you pop and could prevent it with due research and preperation. you do realize they can just shoot the slinger first, right?
Why go through all the trouble killing the webber when you can mess with the alignement? There is no way to warp fast with a freighter unless he happens to be aligned. Freighter align slow. Slower than the time it takes another ship to ram him opposed to his target thus adding more and more time to the process. |
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Samahiel Sotken
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.09.19 14:38:00 -
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PI Maker wrote: you do realize they can just shoot the slinger first, right?
You're an idiot. The major limitation to DPS output in a gank is time before CONCORD responds. Why would a gank squad ruin a perfectly clear gate to kill a webber? You now have to hold the freighter in position, get an equal number of pilots as what it took to kill the webber to pull CONCORD simultaneously, and wait 15 minutes for everyone's GCC to cool off or more pilots to show up since you probably lost some DPS you needed for the freighter.
As goons we have a dedicated jabber room, fleet, and mumble channel for this with people on standby and we still have timing problems or manpower problems at times. Most other pirates aren't coordianted enough to pull this off, they're looking for targets of opportunity and you've seriously decreased the opportunity. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2194
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Posted - 2012.09.19 14:45:00 -
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Gun Gal wrote:Amazing Justifying exploitable offenses, no risk vs reward, recyclable characters
Eve has come a long way, but its still going down the toilet due to you *******.
Point out the exploit. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2194
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Posted - 2012.09.19 14:46:00 -
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flakeys wrote:I'm all for ganking if people like doing it , it is part of eve.The only thing wich allways has concerned me is the throw away negative sec chars.That goes for the freighter ganking now , the hulkageddon thingy and all other previous forms that we have seen .
Easy to fix though , characters with a -sec stat can not be removed from your account until they are positive again.Should be able to implement such a thing in a few days is my guess IF CCP wanted to since they claim to be against recycle alts.
We have never used disposable alts, we simply put them on the sec safari. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.09.19 14:46:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Gun Gal wrote:Amazing Justifying exploitable offenses, no risk vs reward, recyclable characters
Eve has come a long way, but its still going down the toilet due to you *******. Point out the exploit.
The no risk part too please. |
Darth Bri
Rage of Inferno Burning Ambition
21
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Posted - 2012.09.19 15:05:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:You sure learned a lot for the one day you been playing EVE!! Or, you are posting on a one day alt, that is my guess. Now my question is, why are you coward and have a yellow streak 5 miles long down your back? If you are going to post about a corp, grow a pair and post on your main.
This guy = Furious Father, obviously! |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1790
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Posted - 2012.09.19 15:17:00 -
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Germaldi's Mum wrote:PeHD0M wrote:Bumping is a broken mechanic, ofc it should be fixed. Apart from that, bumping the target for a long period of time without shooting it should be petitionable, it is an obvious griefing. in X3 Terran Conflict if you bump a big ship with a small ship u will die or take heavy damage... and all u do to the big ship is damage the big ship's shields. in eve bumping should be made similar. brb warping my freighter full of armor plates into jita 4-4 undock |
Jonah Gravenstein
1341
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Posted - 2012.09.19 15:20:00 -
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It's obviously an exploit, goons are doing it
The fact that 90% of the kills are because some numbnuts decided to pack their freighter with billions of isk is nothing to do with it
CCP can't patch stupid. |
Robert De'Arneth
47
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Posted - 2012.09.19 15:22:00 -
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Darth Bri wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:You sure learned a lot for the one day you been playing EVE!! Or, you are posting on a one day alt, that is my guess. Now my question is, why are you coward and have a yellow streak 5 miles long down your back? If you are going to post about a corp, grow a pair and post on your main. This guy = Furious Father, obviously!
Would you, could you, be so kind as to explain what in hades that is supposed to mean!!
Cannot beleive this thread is still kicking!! |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project
239
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Posted - 2012.09.19 15:24:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Germaldi's Mum wrote:PeHD0M wrote:Bumping is a broken mechanic, ofc it should be fixed. Apart from that, bumping the target for a long period of time without shooting it should be petitionable, it is an obvious griefing. in X3 Terran Conflict if you bump a big ship with a small ship u will die or take heavy damage... and all u do to the big ship is damage the big ship's shields. in eve bumping should be made similar. brb warping my freighter full of armor plates into jita 4-4 undock I'm thinking super passive tanked rattlesnake. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
385
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Posted - 2012.09.19 15:33:00 -
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15 pages for what is essentially a "bawww pvp shouldnt be allowed in hisec" thread
oh come on, I thought we were past this |
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