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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
650
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Posted - 2012.09.18 23:44:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:BillyBanter wrote:The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.
It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel. The pilot growing a fully functional brain is a nice enough buff for freighters. +1 But what freighter pilot with a brain would still be a freighter pilot. Short history lesson. In WW2 freighters were sunk in the thousands. Then some bright spark said "let's use escorts". When the escorts got the technique right, less freighters sunk. After a while the sinkers gave up because their losses were too high. Aren't we supposed to learn from history?
One /small/ difference. Escorts could shoot first without being exploded.  FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |

Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
149
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Posted - 2012.09.18 23:49:00 -
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Hello there, intellectually challenged freighter pilots.
Look the the list of freighters killed in uedama posted above. Do you notice any freighters from Push Industries or Red Frog. No? Look into what they do. Hint: they limit their cargo value. Copy them or use them.
Also, stop being daft. |

Jonah Gravenstein
1323
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Posted - 2012.09.18 23:58:00 -
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[tinfoil] Red Frog & PushX have hired people to eliminate the competition & increase their market share[/tinfoil]
If this was true then it'd be a fine example of the emergent game play that Eve is so famous for, unfortunately it's probably not  CCP can't patch stupid. |

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1782
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:06:00 -
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Buck Futz wrote:
Hint: they will just use them for cargo expanders and turn their freighters into 50K EHP punching bags.
Some will. Some won't. But the important point is, they will have a choice.
And what do we like about the sandbox, class?
CHOICE!
So someone explain how giving players options in a sandbox game is bad. I'd love to hear all about it.
Mr Epeen  There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |

FluffyDice
Psykotic Meat Fatal Ascension
227
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:08:00 -
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Aww but they already have a choice. Go 34 extra jumps to avoid 1 system or don't fly the route at all. Plenty of choice in my opinion... |

Touval Lysander
Combat Recon Group
13
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:09:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:BillyBanter wrote:The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.
It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel. The pilot growing a fully functional brain is a nice enough buff for freighters. +1 But what freighter pilot with a brain would still be a freighter pilot. Short history lesson. In WW2 freighters were sunk in the thousands. Then some bright spark said "let's use escorts". When the escorts got the technique right, less freighters sunk. After a while the sinkers gave up because their losses were too high. Aren't we supposed to learn from history? One /small/ difference. Escorts could shoot first without being exploded.  There's no need. Once the sparks fly an escort group can fire at will. Until ~they~ shoot you wouldn't know who to shoot anyway so moot point. |

baltec1
Bat Country
2158
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:10:00 -
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FluffyDice wrote:Aww but they already have a choice. Go 34 extra jumps to avoid 1 system or don't fly the route at all. Plenty of choice in my opinion...
Or they could, you know, not stuff 40+ billion isk in their hold. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9522
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:11:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:So someone explain how giving players options in a sandbox game is bad. I'd love to hear all about it. For one, they would have to nerf the hell out of freighters if they were to give them slots.
As it is, freighters simply come pre-loaded with the tank and cargo capacity they're meant to handle, and there's no reason to change that. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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FluffyDice
Psykotic Meat Fatal Ascension
227
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:15:00 -
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They could also carry apparently nothing and get shot anyway. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14618880
fake edit: I really hope that was someone transporting one of those 8b isk collateral courier jobs. |

baltec1
Bat Country
2159
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:18:00 -
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One of them turned out to be 200 mil of trit |
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FluffyDice
Psykotic Meat Fatal Ascension
227
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:21:00 -
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Why doesn't the killmail show the contents by the way? I ganked a hauler the other day and the mail for that showed the contents of the wrapping. Are these ones double wrapped or something? |

Heet Crusher
Assisted Genocide Black Legion.
34
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:32:00 -
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First off don't believe a word a cfc or hbc ever says. They are scammers, liars, and all around all star idiots. They are what is wrong with EVE. Now I know how i would handle this. Go gank them. If they are in tier 3 bc you can instant pop them if you have the skills. If not hire some mercs to clear the system. And you can sit back and watch the fireworks if you prefer. |

SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
580
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:37:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:BillyBanter wrote: Once the sec status of the alt character is too low, they replace it with a new one. Which is a bannable offence if they're recycling them.
The kind of character that can be recycled can't really be of much use in a freighter gank. |

Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
288
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:51:00 -
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PI Maker wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:BillyBanter wrote:The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.
It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel. No the simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing.  please show me how to beat an alpha strike. you'll be the most famous man in eve
On a Freighter? You can't as there is nothing to modify to create unexpected scenarios. On another ship, you generally just buffer tank and move fast. Alpha typically relies on slower firing heavy guns like artillery that do a lot of dps all at once. That means they have poor tracking, as do all long range guns in this game. The bigger they are, the worse it is.
But Freighters do not move fast, can't avoid being bumped, and have no variables aside from basic pilot skill modifications. Even those don't change things much due to the fact that you need a minimum skill selection to fly one. A bit, but not much, and not enough to allow them to be unpredictable.
That means anyone with a pen and paper can calculate the dps, alpha, etc.. needed to kill them provided they knew the numbers. Most people could probably do it without the pen and paper.
I have deleted and cleared my signature 7 times and it still won't go away. |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:54:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:PI Maker wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:BillyBanter wrote:The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.
It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel. No the simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing.  please show me how to beat an alpha strike. you'll be the most famous man in eve On a Freighter? You can't as there is nothing to modify to create unexpected scenarios. On another ship, you generally just buffer tank and move fast. Alpha typically relies on slower firing heavy guns like artillery that do a lot of dps all at once. That means they have poor tracking, as do all long range guns in this game. The bigger they are, the worse it is. But Freighters do not move fast, can't avoid being bumped, and have no variables aside from basic pilot skill modifications. Even those don't change things much due to the fact that you need a minimum skill selection to fly one. A bit, but not much, and not enough to allow them to be unpredictable. That means anyone with a pen and paper can calculate the dps, alpha, etc.. needed to kill them provided they knew the numbers. Most people could probably do it without the pen and paper.
It's been said many times already. The exact way to counter an alpha strike in a freighter. Just follow the 2 absic rules.
> than 2 bill of cargo no wraps.
How often does it need to be repeated? |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.09.19 00:56:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Buck Futz wrote:
Hint: they will just use them for cargo expanders and turn their freighters into 50K EHP punching bags.
Some will. Some won't. But the important point is, they will have a choice. And what do we like about the sandbox, class? CHOICE! So someone explain how giving players options in a sandbox game is bad. I'd love to hear all about it. Mr Epeen 
They have choice already. It's a choice of how much stuff you put in that bay. The same rules will always apply. Learn them or get blow up. |

Russell Casey
Deep Void Industrial Group Damned Nation
199
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:16:00 -
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Andski wrote:step 1: buy a freighter step 2: insure it step 3: wrap something worthless step 4: autopilot to a hotspot
Kind of want to do this with a hauler to see if I can get any killrights. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4745
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:17:00 -
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Heet Crusher wrote:First off don't believe a word a cfc or hbc ever says. They are scammers, liars, and all around all star idiots. They are what is wrong with EVE. Now I know how i would handle this. Go gank them. If they are in tier 3 bc you can instant pop them if you have the skills. If not hire some mercs to clear the system. And you can sit back and watch the fireworks if you prefer.
i see elo knight opened the doors to the unwashed masses of recruitment scam victims please leave |

Touval Lysander
Combat Recon Group
13
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:22:00 -
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FluffyDice wrote:Why doesn't the killmail show the contents by the way? I ganked a hauler the other day and the mail for that showed the contents of the wrapping. Are these ones double wrapped or something? didn't you know, you can buy extra special wrapping from jita local. |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:34:00 -
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Russell Casey wrote:Andski wrote:step 1: buy a freighter step 2: insure it step 3: wrap something worthless step 4: autopilot to a hotspot Kind of want to do this with a hauler to see if I can get any killrights.
Maybe but most likely kill mail... |
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Jonah Gravenstein
1325
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Posted - 2012.09.19 01:37:00 -
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Some killmails are worth dying for, even if it is only for shiggles. CCP can't patch stupid. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1483
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Posted - 2012.09.19 02:08:00 -
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Andski wrote:Heet Crusher wrote:First off don't believe a word a cfc or hbc ever says. They are scammers, liars, and all around all star idiots. They are what is wrong with EVE. Now I know how i would handle this. Go gank them. If they are in tier 3 bc you can instant pop them if you have the skills. If not hire some mercs to clear the system. And you can sit back and watch the fireworks if you prefer. i see elo knight opened the doors to the unwashed masses of recruitment scam victims Anyone going to make an elo knight Dawnfall meme video, or something based on those little figures used in the BoB videos where sirmolle was bewailing his useless pets.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcM7iCBN6T4 Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Sara XIII
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2012.09.19 02:17:00 -
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BillyBanter wrote:The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.
It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel.
James315 for CSM Between Ignorance and Wisdom |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1483
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Posted - 2012.09.19 02:35:00 -
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Sara XIII wrote:BillyBanter wrote:The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.
It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel. James315 for CSM Oh, because gankers accept the risk, it's irrelevant, I get it.
By posting, you've accepted the risk that you're dumb and people will laugh at you. Therefore the risk is irrelevant and your posting should be nerfed. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.09.19 02:51:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Sara XIII wrote:BillyBanter wrote:The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.
It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel. James315 for CSM Oh, because gankers accept the risk, it's irrelevant, I get it. By posting, you've accepted the risk that you're dumb and people will laugh at you. Therefore the risk is irrelevant and your posting should be nerfed.
CCP could patch exhumer stupid but can they patch post stupid? It's kind of hard to nerf imo... |

Jonah Gravenstein
1326
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:15:00 -
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CCP didn't patch exhumer stupid, they just buffed the exhumers, they still die in a hilarious manner because fools still fit them for max yield and wonder why they die. See my sig. CCP can't patch stupid. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1486
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:18:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:CCP didn't patch exhumer stupid, they just buffed the exhumers, they still die in a hilarious manner because fools still fit them for max yield and wonder why they die. See my sig. They attempted to. At least give them credit for that.
Stupidity is an amazingly powerful final boss, it has many Final Forms that you have to defeat like some horribly sadistic grinding game where you need to hit the level cap, grind the uberweapons and break your damage limits to even have a chance at surviving the final boss' first few "easy" forms. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
88
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:19:00 -
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They are ganking people...
*shocked "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again" |

Ghazu
196
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:29:00 -
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PI Maker wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:BillyBanter wrote:The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.
It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel. No the simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing.  please show me how to beat an alpha strike. you'll be the most famous man in eve With a ransom payment. |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2012.09.19 03:31:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:PI Maker wrote:Robert De'Arneth wrote:BillyBanter wrote:The problem here is it's way too easy, and too cheap, to get hugely profitable kills.
It's risk vs reward, the risk isn't much, it's known to and accepted by the ganker long before weapon is fired. A simple solution would be to increase freighter HP by 300%. 100k EHP isn't very much for what is supposed to be EVE's largest freight vessel. No the simple solution would be if you feel you are going to be hit bring freinds. It is a freighter not a fighter. There are game mechanics to prevent this, it is called bring a fleet, or risk your ship, it's that whole risk vs reward thing.  please show me how to beat an alpha strike. you'll be the most famous man in eve With a ransom payment.
They don't even ask. They cargo scan and shoot if you are worth it. |
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