Hello everyone! blah blah blah

Considering that every other post in this thread mentions that medium hybrids stink... The other Caldari battlecruisers were already worthless. How many Ferroxes and Nagas do you see flying around?

While at extreme ranges HMLs have better DPS than guns, it's weaker at lower ranges, no? Especially when high damage ammo is used, an option that isn't available with missiles. Damage application is not necessarily better with missiles either, it's far from a straight comparison. Missiles do very low damage against fast and/or small sig targets while guns do full damage. Those targets are harder for guns to track, obviously, but when they do hit it's for full damage. With guns there are ways to at least try to lower transversal, but that's impossible to do with missiles.

Again, I don't really care about the range nerf so much, but a 20% damage nerf basically kills HMLs as far as I can see. If you have a real suggestion, I'd be happy to hear it and think it over but I don't think "fly a ferrox" counts as a real suggestion.

and you see, fun fact:
Those missile boats most talked about here don't have that luxury if you look at those numbers being thrown around up till now:
They are all for the ONE bonused dmg type.

Shot with anything else and look at the numbers again.
That would be 25% less base damage, 5% LESS as the proposed "patch" for HMs will bring - but wait, those 20% will hit the unbonused damage types too...

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Crucifier vs HAM Drake? Crucifier will just fly away unless his gang turns up, or TD the missiles down below 20km (including Javs!) and sit with utter, utter impunity.

Not read all 50+ pages so this might have been mentioned.

If TDs will affect missiles will TEs and TCs?

IMO a module which increases the range and exp velocity of missiles has been long over due (there are the rigs but for balance modules are needed too)

Oh yeah you're changing it. What you didn't tell everyone is the Hurricane with a typical 1600mm plate can only fit 5 180mm
autocannons. P.S. That's with a 5% powergrid implant.

Kind of pathetic. Oh... and very sneaky of you CCP. What's the deal? Don't like the Whelp Cane? Have to save your precious supercapital friends at the demise of every other player in-game?

Can we just eliminate Minmatar and Caldari from the game. I'd like those skillpoints back.

TY.

Not read all 50+ pages so this might have been mentioned.

If TDs will affect missiles will TEs and TCs?

IMO a module which increases the range and exp velocity of missiles has been long over due (there are the rigs but for balance modules are needed too)

-Modify tracking enhancers and tracking computers to affect:
Max flight time (with optimal range script)
Explosion radius and explosion velocity (with tracking speed script)

*wonders how many subs CCP is going to loose over this"

Personally, if this were my game, I'd make everyone happ... less irritated by balancing ships up rather than nerfing them down. But hey, it's your game, your subs, your risk. I just hope I get an SP refund, because I'm not going to retrain my account on the clock over some lazy nerf.

The upshot is that fitting a full rack of 720s with a MWD and LSE and full mids and lows will require a RCUII and either an ACR or PG implant. Also fitting a standard shield autocane with neuts and LSE will require dropping a few guns down to 220mm.

"CCP; fixing things by ruining other things since 2003."

You guys sure know how to overkill will the nerf bat, seriously.

Hows about fixing the broken things instead of nerfing the working as intended parts just because its easier and less work to do?

5 or 6. All of them posting in this topic over how its horrible their Op ships are finally getting a nerf. Also, buffing everything else up will result in exactly the same result only it will take far far longer to do.

*wonders how many subs CCP is going to loose over this"

Personally, if this were my game, I'd make everyone happ... less irritated by balancing ships up rather than nerfing them down. But hey, it's your game, your subs, your risk. I just hope I get an SP refund, because I'm not going to retrain my account on the clock over some lazy nerf.

The proposed heavy missile changes go way too far, on top of what may be further nerfs to Tengus in the future the HML nerf would make the Tengu useless for both PVP and PVE, you'd get what 300-350dps on a PVP fit T3 or less? Yeah that's a great plan! Your using the nerf bat to beat Tengus to death, PVP tengus already do crap dps.

Tracking disruptor change is an awful idea, it would become by far the most overpowered module in the game and a must fit module to any and all PVP ships, currently the module is already powerful, but it is balanced by the fact that it does not work against missiles, keep it as it is.

-1 from me.

Probably even less but their only seems to be 3 or 4 of the usual people supporting this and everyone else hating it.

What happens when the "new thing" that replaces the Drake and Tengu becomes too popular... It's the same old crappy circles that CCP do instead of concentrating on things people have actually asked for.

Probably even less but their only seems to be 3 or 4 of the usual people supporting this and everyone else hating it.

What happens when the "new thing" that replaces the Drake and Tengu becomes too popular... It's the same old crappy circles that CCP do instead of concentrating on things people have actually asked for.

Haters don't seem to be capable of presenting any sensible arguments.

Anyway, Drakes and Tengus are the single anomaly, their overwhelming popularity dwarfing anything else in the game. Why do you think rabalancing this would lead to a similar ridiculous spike, when the other ships are more or less balanced?

Embrace the change, winter will be awesome with a huge number of revamped ships, which will lead into a much more varied field of gang compositions and tactics.

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