I think the problem is that Scorch is overpowered and really scews the perception on amarr ships

There are a LOT of ships that are only really used because of scorch (Zealot)

The real savior of crusiers will be battlecruisers (specifically tier 2) being balanced a little weaker than currently while cruisers got a new advantage of speed...

If Scorch didn't exist, Amarr would be severely underpowered.

This is part of the problem. With the other weapon systems having previous upgrades / buffs, non bonused lasers are no longer as good as they were in comparison, and many Amarr ships still have a cap bonus just to use it instead of another weapon bonus. Add on top of it how generally poor they are without Scorch crystals and massive cap demand / vulnerability, and you get a weapon group that needs reworking.
I love my lasers, but I would love to be effective in more than 2 colors.

I know this willl be just a blah fix, but it coulld/would work to just give all amarr ships a role bonus of 50% reduction of capacitor needs for laser weapons

You cannot ask your ship to have such resilience AND have comparable other stats (speed/dps/cap)

You can easily fit 1-3 of those instead of trimarks and still field a massive (+15k ehp) tank advantage in your Maller.

You realize that every other armor ship fits about 35k-40k EHP average and 15k EHP is not massive but terrible to a level where you actually have to put effort into making a fit that bad to get such a low tank.

He is not far from the truth in fact. To achieve a 35k-40kehp tank, regular ship need 4 low slots and 3 rigs. To achieve the same, the Maller only need 4 low slots, saving 3 rigs for whatever else he may need (and avoiding the lol drawback of armor rigs).

On top of this, pulse laser range advantage is pretty meaningful : they achieve more range than any other weapon of their class without any range module.

And finaly, the mediocre dps legend : heavy pulse laser do 12% less dps than heavy ion blaster.

Now, indeed they eat a lot of cap, though, if you start by avoiding the third heatsink, you will have less cap problems. You can still use a collision accelerator rig to increase them without hampering your cap.

And remember : you have the most low slots : if your ennemy have more dps, he have less tank, a lot less. If he have same tank, he have less dps or less range (a lot less range) and often both.

[Omen, Maller]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x5

[Maller, armor]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Energy Discharge Elutriation I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hobgoblin II x3

The key to the new Maller's cookie cutter fit will be discharge rigs. You know, these odd rigs that decrease cap consumption that no one uses at the moment because almost every Amarr ship has a cap consumption bonus.

You can easily fit 1-3 of those instead of trimarks and still field a massive (+15k ehp) tank advantage in your Maller. And they will allow you to fit full tackle instead of a cap booster and thus alleviate most of your speed and tracking concerns.

disregarding any range/tracking/drone destruction (!))

Disregarding range when it is the primary strength of pulse laser against the other weapons... In fact, you would only use blasters then.

Now, combat cruiser are not meant to obsolete attack cruisers, and the maller definitly is more robust than the Omen (and than any other cruiser for that matter), and you can't blame it for having a battlecruiser speed when it have a battlecruiser tank.

Why all cruisers should be best solo brawlers ? In a fleet, with damage application of pulse, only the Caracal will match it, and its tank is unrivaled. There definitly is situations where tank matter. And for the tank he have, the Maller is not that slow (not all BC go to the shield nano hurricane speed).

Why all cruisers should be best solo brawlers ?

Ppps. With the upcoming Prophecy being an Amarr Myrm, 5 drones doesn't seem implausible.

What is required to balance amarr ships (Other than cap stuff)

Is remove scorch completely from the equation and see if the ship still works. No race should be completely and utterly reliant on one ammo type.

I think you're wrong on both counts.

Scorch is a good and generally useful ammo type, but it's not overpowered, and amarr are not reliant on it. It's a tool in their box, and it makes them much more rounded ships, but it doesn't make them overpowered. Yes, they load up scorch a lot. That's because it maintains good range and good dps. It's a good all purpose ammo. Now, perhaps it should have a little less range, or a little less dps. But its not particularly unbalancing anything.

and amarr are not reliant on it

I think you're wrong on both counts.

Scorch is a good and generally useful ammo type, but it's not overpowered, and amarr are not reliant on it. It's a tool in their box, and it makes them much more rounded ships, but it doesn't make them overpowered. Yes, they load up scorch a lot. That's because it maintains good range and good dps. It's a good all purpose ammo. Now, perhaps it should have a little less range, or a little less dps. But its not particularly unbalancing anything.

Is it just me or is the Thorax a better Combat Cruiser than the Rupture?!

Edit: I've also just realised that the Celestis is a better combat cruiser than the Rupture!!