It costs the miner nothing to mine asteroids/ice.

By your own argument, it follows that the below statements equally apply

It costs the Mission runner nothing to run missions
It costs the Nulsec Belt Ratter nothing to clear belts
It costs Explorers nothing to salvage/hack or gas/oremine
It costs FW pilots nothing to plex
It costs Incursion runners nothing to deal with sansha hoards

You're taking that out of context. All of those aside from FW cannot be done AFK, except for maybe mission running in a drone boat. They all require invested time aside from FW.

Ok, tell me this.

How is Highsec safer or more profitable than it was 9 years ago when EVE began?



Hint:
It isn't

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Oh, excuse me. This thread was meant to contain facts.

I started playing in 2005 and high-sec is much, much safer today than it was then.

Much. Much. Safer. CONCORD has been buffed at least 3x since then, 4x if you count their introduction.

Insurance was removed for gank attempts.

Mining barges were given asinine amounts of EHP and an AFK bay.

High-sec is easy-mode squared compared to what it used to be and needs some legitimate risk.

The price drop of ice will demonstrate this clearly. Look it up.

Ok, tell me this.

How is Highsec safer or more profitable than it was 9 years ago when EVE began?



Hint:
It isn't

Then you have no idea what you're talking about.

Safety:
9 years ago, CONCORD didn't exist (see m0o).
After its introduction, it was initially tankable (see Zombies smartbombing Yulai).


Profitability:
The introduction of l4s
Exhumers instead of mining in Battleships
Incursions


HS is significantly safer and more profitable than it was 9 years ago.

Also, Moons require the constant input of ISK in the form of fuel. Where's the constant fixed cost of running an Exhumer?

My my, your strawman is pretty damn flimsy if people can basically see though it.

Highsec: The way of the future.

You do realize those items listed under profitability are also available in low and null sec right? And more profitable.

yeah good point marlona, why don't you just autopilot over to the nearest nullsec incursion system in your marauder and start raking in the fat loot

in your case, that'd be located in malpais

yeah good point marlona, why don't you just autopilot over to the nearest nullsec incursion system in your marauder and start raking in the fat loot

in your case, that'd be located in malpais

~terrible pubbie posts~

Something needs to be done. I blame myself. When the new wardec mechanic hit I was going to go after a bunch of soft empire corps just to ruin them, but ended up going after a hard target which turned out to be fruitless. Then work.. then a market project... always some excuse. When my market stuff wraps about winter-expansion time I'm going into the empire sand-castle kicking business. To the NPC corps with you all.

My, what a large space you seem to have between your ears. Your head seems to be full of null-sec

I just do not understand the 'pixel hardman' obsession with hi-sec.

Don't like hi-sec?

Don't go there.

Just do whatever it is you do in null and have a good time.

Easy really.

I know you are trying to paint this grim picture of null sec income being so bad that everyone there is dirt poor and everyone in high sec is showered with ISK by simply logging in. It may work for those who don't know better, but I have no issue chiming in and pointing out where you or anyone else is stretching the truth or flat out lying.


I don't mind suggestions to the game that encourages players in high sec to willingly want to put their ship in harms way for some PvP action. Just be honest about the facts in this game when you are trying to support an idea.

Speaking of 'being honest about the facts', why don't you answer my question? It wasn't rhetorical.

Again, why don't you climb in the most expensive ratting ship you have and fly over to the nearest nullsec incursion (Malpais) and start grinding away? Like how the highsec pilot can with any incursion located in highsec. According to you, doing so would be 'more profitable' then doing a highsec incursion. So your course is clear, Marlona.

I'm just painting a vivid portrait of someone who claims that nullsec and highsec incursions are interchangeable.

Can't answer for her, but personally my lack of experience in how to get there alive and keep alive along with the fact that I don't have a trusted group to do it with make it prohibitive. That said there were goons who, prior to the escalation patch made out quite well annihilating NCO's in legion fleets in low/null incursions. I'm sure not having the ~30% (if i recall correctly) reduction that highsec gets helped quite well to. I must admit to not knowing if this is feasible now though.

All I know is that goons aren't running incursions in legion fleets Catch or Malpais right now, and probably weren't pre-escalation patch either. Probably for the same reasons you don't.

(Spoiler: this is because ratting in pimp ships in hostile space is beyond stupid, and ratting in disposable ships effectively negates the 30% increased profit from just doing it in highsec)

The AFK Mining as EULA violation comes from CCP's insistence that AFK PVE Activities are EULA violations.

Regardless of the specifics of the tools used there is no doubt that pre-escalation, there were nullsec entities, including goons probably, doing low/null incursions. I'm not claiming that everyone packed up and went halfway across the map to do them, which means those they had access to were possibly limited at any point in time, but evidence suggests they were done.

The price drop of ice will demonstrate this clearly. Look it up.

Touval, you are the most cognitively impaired poster in recent memory. Please stop posting. Think of the children. Think of the world they will have to grow up in, filled with your words. Stop posting for their sake.

Evidence like the proliferation of Revenant-class supercaps? (right now there are more Impocs out there then Revenants lol)

How come the Hardcore Null/Low sec elite pvpers are so worried about what a bear is doing in Hi Sec? Sandbox game FTW!

I know you are trying to paint this grim picture of null sec income being so bad that everyone there is dirt poor and everyone in high sec is showered with ISK by simply logging in. It may work for those who don't know better, but I have no issue chiming in and pointing out where you or anyone else is stretching the truth or flat out lying.


I don't mind suggestions to the game that encourages players in high sec to willingly want to put their ship in harms way for some PvP action. Just be honest about the facts in this game when you are trying to support an idea.

You must have noticed both are actually forgetting the important thing: one in high sec is actually an unemployed/student/whatever person playing far more hours a day than he should so indeed over all almost 100M in high sec IS SO FECKING HUGE....
The second (in null) scams in high sec/trades (in high sec of course) ganks freighters (in high sec again) uses high sec facilities with alt corporations and alts, then criticises all high sec..... but then gets his faction/ded fitted gank machine with a couple alts to clean Mazes in less than 30min, kill officers (noticed those are almost the same doing it?) and running pirate npc missions with other alts.

Indeed, high sec it's far too much profitable...for them. Not for the random grunt/player getting in to those regions who often loose more isk arriving there than they can win with a normal gaming time.